How do you thing US President Bush is handling today's events?

[ljprevo]

The talk in our office is.

How is President Bush handling today's events.

I personally think he is doing a good job.

What do you think, or what is your opinions.

[mastermind]

Hi ,

my views are with James Prevo and truly agree with him

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[ljprevo]

I feel this is really going to be his biggest test as President.

[mastermind]

thats true

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[jw]

He really hasn't had much of a chance to do anything considering his life has been in jeopardy all day...imagine how it must feel knowing that most of the terrorists in the world want you dead. From the press conferences he has held, he is handling the situation very well though.

[Bruce]

For the people who voted horrible, could you give some insight as to why you voted that way?

[Giancarlo]

This is one of the greatest Presidents we have ever had. And people who voted horribly should move to Kabul, because they are dead wrong. This President is pulling our nation through this like Kennedy did during the Cuban Missile Crisis. On a side note, I am quite surprised Cheney hasn't had a heart attack because of this massive terrorist incident.

[Coolin]

I haven't seen much of what George Bush did from this incident, but he seems to be treating it pretty well from what I saw.

[Gayowulf]

He let anger get the better of him, and i can definately see why he was angry.

I just hope he doesnt start a war with the wrong people, and deals with the immediate problems first.

[niv]

It's great to see that partisanship is not forever.

[Satelk]

He just speaked to all the nation, he seemed calm and to handling this well enough.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
It's great to see that partisanship is not forever.

Wrong. President Bush spoke for the voice of people. Leave politics out of this. Bringing partisanship up is disgusting, and sick... when our nation needs better treatment. Our President is one of the greatest by doing his best.

There CAN BE NO SECOND THOUGHTS on this backing President Bush. The entire nation must back him, and everyone in this nation must help others with no second thoughts or it could be damaging, I really do hate stupid skeptics who try to anaylize a situation and critize the best and only way it can be handled.

[Gayowulf]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


There CAN BE NO SECOND THOUGHTS on this backing President Bush. The entire nation must back him, and everyone in this nation must help others with no second thoughts or it could be damaging, I really do hate stupid skeptics who try to anaylize a situation and critize the best and only way it can be handled.

I agree. Bush needs the support of the nation. The last thing that we need is a disagreement, and riots and stuff.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Gayowulf


I agree. Bush needs the support of the nation. The last thing that we need is a disagreement, and riots and stuff.

A little more philosophy...

It could be most damaging not to follow the decisions our leader makes. He was elected by the people to swear to protect our freedoms, like every other previous president has. Democrat or Republican, both should unite in such a hour of national danger.

[Gayowulf]

I would think it to be obscene if there was a lot of political -----ing about in a situation like this.


I just hope that the right decision is made to protect our freedoms.

[Giancarlo]

I hope there is a good balance between decisions for national security and decisions for freedom.

I am putting estimates lost to be at the minimum 10,000 (very optimistic) and at the maximum 40,000. Let's say there are 40,000 people dead.... that would be more than what we lost in all other terrorist incidents combined in the past.

Good night my friends, I have too much of a broken heart to post anymore to think that people live on this planet to do such an horrendous, and unwordable act. Words aren't enough to provide the great deal of sadness I feel for fellow man who lost their lives today.

[Minion]

I'm a bit biased, being conservative myself, but I think Dubya's handling this great.

[Gayowulf]

I've done some more thinking about this and i've come to the conclusion that dropping a bomb wouldnt be good.

Look at the devastation we faced, and think of the devastation a poverty stricken country would face. millions of civilians who dont even know WTF is up or what their country has done.

I think this will be a turning point in world politics. We will realize we can't ignore poor people anymore. If we continue, the ruling will become much more severe and less democratic.


No doubt, like the gulf war, there will be a TV "news" serial nightly. i think thats not cool

[Carl]

personally i think bush is a bit of a nazi. he loves war, he says that the us is a peace loving nation but yet he is saying that he will retaliate, stoop to their level and kill innocent civilians. its a bit of a catch 22 situation, you fight the war you win the war, you don't fight the war, you lose and become susceptible to more attacks but then you look at the good side, unity, the world has come together becuase of this and is ready to act these cowards, maybe this is a push towards peace, not war.

[Gayowulf]

I dont know if i'd go so far as to call him a nazi, but i think a little peace would go a long way.

I understand the need to retaliate, but not to the extent that the USA probably has in mind.

Usa has given, or should i say dropped, multimillion dollar bombs on many countries. Countries whos unrest may have been better dealt with by a multimillion dollar donation for aid snd development.

[robin]

I think that Bush is handling things the best he can. But we all need to remember that it should be justice we are seeking, not revenge.

And many people in this country are doing terrible things to Americans of Arab descent as we speak. They are being detained by cops and verbally and physically harassed by civilians. I am reminded of the US's treatment of Japanese Americans during World War II and hope that it does not come to that. Scapegoating an entire race of people is NOT COOL. We should know that by now.

[Gayowulf]

It took long enough for us to overcome racism and prejudice. The last thing we need is for it to start up again. I know that the states is a country that believes in assimilation; all the citizens regardless of race or religion should be treated equally as the good americans they were supposed to turn into.

[Carl]

i agree totally. if it was afghani's, we cannot blame the entire race, we cannot them all for a selected group's actions.

Quite frankly, i'm afriad at the moment, i don't want war. fortunatley i will hopefully never have to go to war becuase where i live in new zealand military service is not compulsory and will never been made compulsory becuase of the large number(around 70%) of pacifists.

make love, not war

[robin]

I'm really, really freaked out. I live in Baltimore, which is about 30 minutes from DC and a few hours from New York. As of this morning, we now have the biggest world trade center in the country. Not to mention one of my friends in New York is still unaccounted for. Jesus, this is scary.

[Koolguy]

meh.. so so i guess

[jason]

so far i think hes doing a good job, but the real test will come in the following weeks, tracking down the culprits and whatever means he chooses to do so.

[Bonesgeo]

It's to early to tell. Hayama-kun hope you where'nt to close to this.

[LeX]

Originally posted by Bonesgeo
It's to early to tell. Hayama-kun hope you where'nt to close to this. He did say that his school was only 7 blocks away from the WTC...

[Todd]

Originally posted by Carl
personally i think bush is a bit of a nazi. he loves war, he says that the us is a peace loving nation but yet he is saying that he will retaliate, stoop to their level and kill innocent civilians.
I would disagree. He doesn't love war but rather he had to make it clear that we would attack anyone who protects these terrorists. Assuming that Osama bin Laden was behind this the US had to make it clear that we would hold Afghanistan liable if they allow him to hide and take safe harbor in their country. It appears to have worked as they said they have taken away his means of communication and if the US can get proof that it ties back to him they would consider releasing him to us.

Afghanistan could be lying to us but intelligence would know better then anyone. Even if it's not Afghanistan the fact that they know the US will hold them liable should motivate them to turn the terrorists over to bring them to justice as president Bush has said.

I think he handled it well and it was necessary to make a point that he would not sit idly by and let those who did this get away. If you disagree with what he did please do say what you would have done instead.

[Giancarlo]

If the Taliban are infact behind this, we should bomb the heck out of their government buildings, and take out their military sites. Not civilian or we won't be any better than the terrorists themselves.

Gayuwolf and Carl do you just realized what happened? If any government are behind these attacks, we should do our best to remove them. We are not going to bomb their civilians, because that will put us on the level of the terrorists but we will bomb the government and the terrorists to hell. Calling Bush a Nazi is stupid and false, because all he wants to do is go after the people who did it and only the people who did it. Learn that concept.

[robin]

How can you say American intelligence will know who's behind this if they had no idea it was happening in the first place? That was a serious intelligence problem.

[ljprevo]

Originally posted by robin
How can you say American intelligence will know who's behind this if they had no idea it was happening in the first place? That was a serious intelligence problem.

Your right, but I think they knew something was up and they
should have tighten security earlier.

A girl here in my office came back from Canada Monday morning. Every car was being searched. They had what they call "Quick Searches" She was held for over 2 hours.

[Todd]

I don't think your right by any means. Intelligence has awesome tools at their disposal whether it be satellite photography, electronic scanning via carnivore and other means, or telephone monitoring. You can monitor these communication methods along with others all you want but if those means of communication aren't used you wouldn't detect it. Unless you want them to call Ms. Cleo for psychic help in that situation I don't think they could have possibly known what was about to come... It all depends upon the means of communication the terrorists used. Once we know that information then maybe fingers can be pointed but if your pointing fingers point them at the terrorists.

They were notified from the passengers that the plane was taken over but they didn't have time to react. The building had a solid steel structure but when you have that many pounds of jet fuel burning that hot on the structure you can't stop the attack that means either.

If you want to start blaming people I would point a finger at the airline industry for not having armed security guards on board with a locked and bulletproof door to the cockpit.

In a society like ours you can't stop these attacks. You can do your best to prevent them but where there’s a will there’s a way. The key to security is making things so difficult to do that it’s no longer worth their time or effort to try. It's the price of our freedom and the most we can do now is to bring those terrorists to justice.

There is no possible way for any government agencies in the USA to monitor all means of communication of all people. I can't even believe people would try to blame this on the government for not stopping it.

[Mandrake]

Originally posted by Todd

If you want to start blaming people I would point a finger at the airline industry for not having armed security guards on board with a locked and bulletproof door to the cockpit.




I think something like that should be done anyway... Not just for terrorist threats, but there have been incidences recently where regular passengers have gone psycho and tried to barge into the cockpit, or open a door at 30,000 feet. Planes obviously need more protection than they have now.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by robin
How can you say American intelligence will know who's behind this if they had no idea it was happening in the first place? That was a serious intelligence problem.

The fact is this was swiftly yet carefully planned and our spies couldn't retrieve information quick enough. Well now the incident has occured, the intelligence complex will find out who did it. Who gives you the right to say they are unabled to operate well? They will find the people who were behind this, and I would like those responsible executed. Maybe you should do some reading about anti-terrorism agencies, where I have a particular interest, and most of these books on the CIA say it is sometimes impossible to find these terrorists because they are trained professionals who know how to evade the authorities and strike.

[niv]

These events came out of nowhere and there was little warning; the President had little time to act. He did the best he could and he still is doing as much as he can.

[Giancarlo]

We must continue on for our fight in freedom and captialism, nothing should stop that. The victims of this attack will not be forgotten, but the country must move on and eliminate all elements of terrorism.

Another point I must make is that Bin Laden has been threatening this country everyday, and we could not know if the threats he made on September 11 were real but they were and we were caught off-guard.

[niv]

What do you think is the reasoning behind the Taliban's continued contribution of political asylum for bin Laden and his group? I think that any government should arrest bin Laden right away should he knock on their doors.

[Gayowulf]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Gayuwolf and Carl do you just realized what happened?


Yes i realize what happened, and action should be taken, starting with measures to prevent it from happening again. My guess is that most people figured it ludicrous that the USA would face a major terrorist attack. It was only a matter of time.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
What do you think is the reasoning behind the Taliban's continued contribution of political asylum for bin Laden and his group? I think that any government should arrest bin Laden right away should he knock on their doors.

The Taliban hate the US and is a Islamic Fundamentalist regime... I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban helped fund the attacks themselves. The Taliban consider Osama Bin Laden an important person... for some reason.

I think any nation supporting Bin Laden, if it is officially reported that his group was responsible will have war declared against them. The NATO Alliance will assist, and as it seems Pakistan might help us.

[niv]

My friend is from Pakistan, and he is Islamic...he tells me, anybody who assists bin Laden will go to lowest level of Islamic hell. I find that pretty obvious anyway...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
My friend is from Pakistan, and he is Islamic...he tells me, anybody who assists bin Laden will go to lowest level of Islamic hell. I find that pretty obvious anyway...

The Lebanese, Saudi, and Pakistani Governments all condemned this act as being against their religion. We will get help from Lebanon as the PM of that country said on CNN. Musharraf is talking with some State Department officials, and he might decide to help us.

I have several Islamic Friends who say the same thing about Bin Laden. They say he is a monster.

[niv]

Latest news from WCBS Channel 2, New York:

4 Emergency Workers from the city found alive at base of WTC tower 1 where I believe it initally collapsed.

[niv]

BTW, everyone north of Houston Street should be alright, minor amounts of debris went that far.

[Coolin]

Phew!
You're back!

After I didn't see you on 9-11-01 (perhaps I wasn't observant?) I was beginning to get scared.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Coolin
perhaps I wasn't observant
Bingo.

[Coolin]

Thought so...

When did he post yesterday?

[niv]

My friend and I broke away from the group near Houston St. We were in an office building in Midtown, and I was posting from there.

[Bruce]

When did he post yesterday? http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=10455&perpage=15&pagenumber=3

[Coolin]

Oh! I see.
That thread was too long, I didn't have the time to read it along with all the other news I found. That's why I missed it.

[Bruce]

It's not that long. The thread on that topic over at WHT is almost 500 posts.

[niv]

And most YUPAPA threads are longer than the one you mentioned.

[Coolin]

YUPAPA threads also have many more 1 line answers.

Anyway, the biggest reason why I didn't read much of that thread was because there was so much news information on the other parts of the net. I wanted to read the stuff from ABC, CNN, and MSNBC first.

[niv]

From where I was, most communications were down and the only news I got was from nytimes.com

[Coolin]

I had a decent connection to all the news services...

[niv]

Originally posted by Coolin
I had a decent connection to all the news services...

That's because you weren't anywhere close to Ground Zero... :rolleyes:

[Coolin]

I know that.
But I thought the servers would have been swamped anyways.

[niv]

WTF?!?!?!?! :mad: (http://www.boinkzijnstats.50megs.com/NYC/wtfistha.jpg)

Can you imagine the nerve of someone to create some crap like this? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Carl]

Gayuwolf and Carl do you just realized what happened?

yes i reliase what has just happened. but this will escalate into war if the us reacts too strongly. there is a lot at stake here. war is not the answer to anything, what have 2 world wars, countless civil wars and small wars taught, nothing excpet that the us can't keep their big nose out of anything.