Something analytical about this whole issue

[Agum]

First off let me quote off somebody from another forum:

You could say, "well, the terrorists hijacked the plane and
pointed a gun at the pilot and told him to fly the plane into the
tower." NO! Because by doing so, the pilot would know that he
would DEFINATELY Die. And so would all his passengers. I think the
pilot would take the bullet, than to cause massive destructive to the
U.S. That eliminates that possibility.

So what does this mean!? It means that the terrorist are EXTREMELY
INTELLIGENT AND WELL-ORGANIZED. It is near impossible to hi jack 4
or more planes, in short succession, and crash them into their
intended targets. The terrorists behind this incident are
genuises....psycho genuises.
After having read that, let me quote you some more things... really important here.

the flights that were Highjacked were from United and AA, they were
numbered as follows:

11, 93, 175, and 77

11 = Today's Date
9+3 = 12 = Tomorrow
1+7+5 = 13 = Thursday
7+7 = 14 = Friday
Hopefully this is a coincidence and the terrorists can't add. but if
this is correct there will either be acts of terrorism every day for
the next few days or a grand event the last day

Well, that pretty much says it all. The situation right now totally doesn't look good. I doubt the numbers were coincidence... if these people were that intelligence. Remember the 9/11 9:11am too, they are definitely not bad at numbers. I suggest people who live in the *WEST* coast to be as careful a possible (that includes me). why? if the terrorists group is really that smart.. they would've expected all of our reactions, and thus, the next target MUST be somewhere less alerted... i.e. the west coast.

[Agum]

and to add in my own opinion...

seriously, I doubt this has anything to do with Osama Bin Laden, or Saddam Hussein. the whole thing seems too ingenious and well-planned, it doesn't look like any of the existing terrorists group we know of could possibly do any of it. very possibly it's a new group we never knew of.. and they've probably been planning this for years too, without anyone knowing at all.

and if you don't mind me speaking my mind.. I think we, as in our country America, and practically the whole world, have already fallen into the big trap. they've probably planned all this and expected exactly how we would react, and planned all the steps for the next few days. I have this really bad feeling we're going to fall for all of it... (no I'm not being pessimistic too..)

:mad:

[jason]

i pray there are no more attacks but i wouldn't be surprised, though it would be much harder to hi-jack a plane now but you are right with all the attention on D.C. and NY a west coast attack makes very much sense. how the hell did they past the metal detectors with a gun anyhow? i heard somewhere they had cardboard cutters, well then why the hell couldn't 65 passengers wrestle a few knifes from say 4 terrorists? i don't know. it will be intresting to hear what the black boxes have to say.

and i still think its Bin Laden's group who is behind this, its seem too obvious which gives me some doubt, but he has the money and men to pull off such an attack, and it was his group that attacked the trade center the last time, also an islamic journalist reported a few weeks ago that Bin Laden said something great was going to happen in america. and i also heard that 23 years ago on the 11th of 1978 some middle east accord was signed which many ppl in that area blame for their economic problems. but i am not sure of this.

something needs to be done to prevent these kind of terrorist attacks against civilians, bush's missle defense plan would be useless against something like what happened yesterday.

[LastActionHero]

One more interesing statistic...

Bin Laden's associate was to be sentenced on 12th September that is Wednesday bang opposite the WTC in the district court I think. Now that's something to think about.

[polestar]

Bin Laden has said it wasn't his group, but that he approves of the attack.

I know that this man's word doesn't count for much, but there you are.

What about the Libyans - could they be responsible, like they were for the Lockerbie bombing?

[Hoth]

The numbers are a coincidence I'm sure. There are lots of coincidences. People that good at keeping their plans secret (so that U.S. spies had no clue) don't give out little codes like that for people to find. It's not like a video game, they're not trying to leave little warnings around.

Also, terrorism has to be done all at once to work. Certainly they would have realized security would be way higher the next day. It's supposed to be swift, they try everything at once and don't expect a 2nd chance.

[Coolin]

I don't expect an attack on the second day, third day, or fourth day. Or at least not a similar type of attack. Perhaps it's a computer attack or something else with no relation to airplanes are important buildings. Security is just too tight now.

[Toefur]

I don't know much about Osammy Laden, but he seems like the kind of chap that if he did do it, he would proudly admit to it?

What exactly is a cardboard cutter?

Also, I don't think it would be a simple act of the passengers jumping up to get into a bit of a fist fight to stop the hijackers; they were probably no doubt very very scared.

[Coolin]

I'm guessing a cardboard cutter is one of those retractable blades you use to cut cardboard.

[Hoth]

Originally posted by Jason
couldn't 65 passengers wrestle a few knifes from say 4 terrorists?

Probably the passengers could have overwhealmed them, with a few dying and lot injured by the knives, but they didn't know what was going to happen. They knew their plane was hijacked, but they didn't know for sure that they were all going to die... they may have thought they were going to be hostages and their release would be negotiated. If you think you have a chance to live, you're not likely to try to attack someone who's holding a knife.

[niv]

I believe there was a security breach and those flights were those made for cross-country flight, therefore having a lot of fuel. Those flights being the easiest to hijack, were the force used to bring down the WTC twin towers.

[Toefur]

I'm guessing a cardboard cutter is one of those retractable blades you use to cut cardboard.

Eh? "Card Board Cutter" sorta sounds like some name for some fancy petrol powered devasting piece of machine... :D

But Ah... Does this mean Cardboard Cutter... as in a friggin' stanley knife?

[niv]

Box cutter. That's it. It's only for opening packages in the mail, etc.

[Giancarlo]

You people! It was Bin Laden... what are you? A bunch of Iraqis? The US Government has direct evidence that it was him... officials have been saying that for quite a bit. Didn't they intercept a phone call one of the hijackers made to Bin Laden himself and emails?

Did you know Gaddafi, the leader of Libya, wanted to open ties with the west several weeks before the bombing... there was an article on it on CNN... was that a coincidence? Did Gaddafi's Intelligence Agencies discover the plan and the leader backed away from terrorism?

[niv]

Giancarlo, although all evidence seems to point at bin Laden, you CANNOT rule out other possibilities. Apparently, there is a bigger operation going on. Should we do just that, ruling out any other possiblities, many people involved may not get punished because they will be excused of having any involvement. I am not saying that the Iraqis are involved as of yet, but at this time, we CANNOT rule out any possiblity.

[Giancarlo]

You are right, a nation's security force is responsible for financing Osama bin Laden. I am not sure what nation this is, probably Iran or Iraq.

[Gayowulf]

What if it was just a group of wackos not associated with anyone?

to tell you the truth, i am getting tired of the whole situation. its on every tv channel, radio station, and forum. Its all just speculation, and its just becoming a money maker for the media

"america under attack" is what the CNN newscast is called. I bet speilberg is already planning a movie. I hope he calls it faulty towers 3

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Gayowulf
What if it was just a group of wackos not associated with anyone?

to tell you the truth, i am getting tired of the whole situation. its on every tv channel, radio station, and forum. Its all just speculation, and its just becoming a money maker for the media

"america under attack" is what the CNN newscast is called. I bet speilberg is already planning a movie. I hope he calls it faulty towers 3

It wasn't. A group of fundamentalist terrorists do not have the capacity to do it. Sure it was a group of wackos, but they did get support from some other rogue nation.

This will probably weaken the Democratic Party further in D,C... since their party proposes inadequate measures to combat terrorism. The fact is the democratic Whitehouse under Clinton allowed high tech communication equipiment to be sold to Syria, which incidently got into Bin Laden's hands. This strike really changed things.

[Hoth]

Let me guess, Giancarlo, you'll say it's all worthwhile sacrifices if it gets more Republicans elected. :rolleyes: That's what I gather from that post and your signature.

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Hoth
Let me guess, Giancarlo, you'll say it's all worthwhile sacrifices if it gets more Republicans elected. :rolleyes: That's what I gather from that post and your signature. Well... He is known to be tilted a little toward the right wing...

[Hoth]

Originally posted by Coolin
Well... He is known to be tilted a little toward the right wing...

Really? I'd never noticed, he hides it so well. ;)

[meow]

No empathy neither with the victims nor with the innocent Muslims suffering from harassments now throughout the world. It's all about revenge, more blood and counting votes. GC, you make me want to puke. Show some dignity for once.

[ashben]

A guy with an alias: Xinoehpoel (tesnal@psl.moc) posted a few messages at one newsgroup about the 9/11 tragedy much before it actually happened:

http://home.satx.rr.com/lfolder/terror1.htm

This is weird and very suspicious. Infact some guys have already reported it to the FBI.

[Docevl]

Originally posted by ashben
A guy with an alias: Xinoehpoel (tesnal@psl.moc) posted a few messages at one newsgroup about the 9/11 tragedy much before it actually happened:

http://home.satx.rr.com/lfolder/terror1.htm

This is weird and very suspicious. Infact some guys have already reported it to the FBI.
:confused:

[Agum]

Yes, I know about him... I read the newsgroups from groups.google.com

his IP is found to be some lanset.com ISP user, meaning his e-mail address is possibly lsp@lanset.com (try reversing tesnal@psl.moc), and his name is possibly Leo Pheonix (try reversing Xinoehpoel). Of course even that could be fake. but the e-mail address actually makes sense (think about it, LSP would be his initials. Leo S. Pheonix)

he actually posted a message on Sept 4th, saying something will happen on Sept 11th. But he ALSO posted a message on August 31, saying something will happen on Sept 1st, which nothing did.

and his explanation was "the message God gave me was 911 and I thought it meant 9/01/01 at first." hmm...

[LastActionHero]

Originally posted by Agum
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and his explanation was "the message God gave me was 911 and I thought it meant 9/01/01 at first." hmm...

I didn't believe in this crap before, but a little research made me think. It's about the place in Florida were the pilots trained....initially their licence or stay permit or something like that was to expire on 31st August, but they requested the flight school to extend it by another couple of days atleast until 11th september... that sounds kind of strange when you put the above in context.

Lot's of people have reported this post and this guy to the FBI, wonder what the FBI has to say.