What political party do you belong to?

[Toefur]

No, I don't want you to straight out answer, "I am such and such"!

Take this: http://www.3pc.net/matchmaker/quiz.html test, and showus your results!

Here's mine... not too sure about these... but thats what i got according to my answers!

1) Green Party 68%
2) Democratic Party 64%
3) Natural Law Party 56%
4) Republican Party 52%
5) Libertarian Party 48%
6) Reform Party 44%
7) Constitution Party 32%

[Ted S]

Well... the questiosn seem to be rather narrow and VERY obvious and its certainly not like some genious poltiical statistion made this but here's what i got.....

1) Republican Party 79%
2) Natural Law Party 64%
3) Libertarian Party 50%
4) Democratic Party 50%
5) Constitution Party 50%
6) Reform Party 43%
7) Green Party 21%

[Bruce]

Here's what I got:

1) Democratic Party 79%
2) Green Party 74%
3) Natural Law Party 63%
4) Libertarian Party 53%
5) Reform Party 37%
6) Constitution Party 26%
7) Republican Party 21%

[Giancarlo]

1) Republican Party 88%
2) Constitution Party 71%
3) Libertarian Party 54%
4) Natural Law Party 42%
5) Democratic Party 33%
6) Reform Party 29%
7) Green Party 21%

It is misleading since I should not see a single percent in 3, 4, 5, 6, and especially not 7. I consider myself republican.

[is0lized]

1) Natural Law Party 92%
2) Democratic Party 67%
3) Republican Party 67%
4) Green Party 67%
5) Reform Party 50%
6) Constitution Party 33%
7) Libertarian Party 17%

??

[WorldWarGeneral]

Libertarian Party - 64%
Constitution Party - 55%
Natural Law Party - 44%
Green Party - 45%
Democratic Party - 36%
Republican Party - 36%
Reform Party - 27%

Hmm, interesting. I always considerd myself a Democrat, not Libertarian. I like some of their ideas, but certainly not enough to call myself one.

[LeX]

1) Natural Law Party 76%
2) Green Party 62%
3) Democratic Party 57%
4) Republican Party 52%
5) Reform Party 48%
6) Constitution Party 38%
7) Libertarian Party 24%

[Rick]

1) Libertarian Party 86%
2) Constitution Party 77%
3) Republican Party 50%
4) Reform Party 50%
5) Green Party 32%
6) Natural Law Party 23%
7) Democratic Party 18%

Looks about right... Except I'm not terribly happy about being 18 percent compatable with the Democratic party.

[niv]

Hmm...

1) Natural Law Party 90%
2) Green Party 80%
3) Democratic Party 70%
4) Republican Party 50%
5) Reform Party 50%
6) Constitution Party 25%
7) Libertarian Party 15%

Oh my... :o

the www.lp.org/quiz quiz is better

Odd...in the wake of this disaster, I've shifted even more to the Left. I'm on the edge between Left-Liberal and Authoritarian.

[LeX]

Gee... Hayama's party rank is the same as mine! :eek:

[Owen]

1) Republican Party 72%
2) Constitution Party 67%
3) Reform Party 50%
4) Libertarian Party 44%
5) Natural Law Party 44%
6) Democratic Party 28%
7) Green Party 28%

I thought I was a little more democrat than that. Oh well.

[Owen]

Proof that these political quizzes mean nothing.

From the world's smallest political quiz-
Your Personal Self-Government Score is 20%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 10%.

It says I am a left authoritarian, or a socialist. Somehow, I don't think thats true. :D

[rapmaster]

It said the truth, I'm a right wing fanatic.... :p

but only 50% republican and 79% Lib :D

[Dusty]

Interesting little test

1) Libertarian Party........68%
2) Constitution Party......58%
3) Democratic Party.......47%
4) Natural Law Party......47%
5) Republican Party........42%
6) Green Party..............32%
7) Reform Party.............26%

[Todd]

It is pretty interesting.

1) Libertarian Party 50%
2) Republican Party 50%
3) Green Party 50%
4) Democratic Party 45%
5) Natural Law Party 45%
6) Constitution Party 45%
7) Reform Party 36%

I call myself an independent because the second I classify myself in any group it's assumed that you follow all their views and I prefer to only follow my own views.

[Giancarlo]

From what I heard, the attacks on September 11th killed neo-liberalism.

I took that second test... goodness, I shifted more right after the attacks.

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 30%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 100%.

Owen, it was right for me! For some reason I prefer economic freedoms more than personal freedoms.

[Owen]

The problem with these tests, are that it can't measure your degree of agreement or disagreement. Plus I am a beleiver that no one side is correct on every issue. While many of my beliefs are more right wing concentrated, due to my religion, but that is mostly on moral issues, on issues other than on morality and taxes, I am mixed, and in certain areas, I would be considered democratic.

I am going to start the Owen party :D Who wants to join? *silence*

[Giancarlo]

Owen... you must not give the generalization that all religious-folks are on the right-wing. Take me for example, and I am not one of the few that is for sure.

[Owen]

I am not making that generalization, and I am not saying you have to be religious to be right-wing. I simply stated my religious belief(Southern Baptist) is part of my reasons for views on issues that could be considered morality. MAny Southern Baptists are right wing, at least on moral issues.

[Giancarlo]

I see.

[Owen]

I hope you see, or how would you be posting on this message board(unless you have a disability helping device) :D

[Giancarlo]

Haha. *in sarcastic way*

[niv]

There are a lot of Catholic Liberals/Democrats/Left-wingers...they're usually right-wing when it comes to morality issues.

I despise religious fanatics.

[Owen]

Well, I hope you don't despise me, because I am not a religious fanatic, like JErry Falwell. While I do believe many the same things as he does as to what is right or wrong, I don't view it to his extremes, nor hatred. I am tolerant, but I don't necessarily approve.

[niv]

In this generation, many are secular. They look at the world as it is, and they do not believe in a fantasy world world where "good" (misled) people will be able to roam for the rest of their afterlife.

[Owen]

Honestly, there have always been people who take life as it is seen. It only seems more prominent now, because we share our thoughts over different forms of media.

As for you "good" (mislead), statement, I don't know if you were refering to how aetheists view religious people as mislead, or if you were taking a shot at what I beleive. Either way, I am not really going to respond to that statment, so as to not get a flame war going on here.

[niv]

Well, I don't know. Frankly I'm anti-religious, but you're allowed to practice whatever you please, and I respect your right to do so. Yeah, atheists tend to see religious people as misled people.

[Owen]

AS well, as it is your right to be anti-religious. And don't worry, I am not goign to force my beleifs any on you or anyone else here. The worst I will do, is talk about it when it comes up, and in my signature. However, I do ask that you respect my belief, as I respect yours(my issue being I don't know what you meant by the "good" (mislead) statement).

[niv]

Misled meaning you've been taught to believe in a supernatural being that in my point of view and the point of many others, does not exist. The one you may refer to as "God".

[robin]

Hahaha.

1) Green Party 100%
2) Democratic Party 67%
3) Reform Party 67%
4) Libertarian Party 58%
5) Natural Law Party 50%
6) Constitution Party 25%
7) Republican Party 17%

Damn, I'm a bleeding-heart liberal. I'm gonna go light up a fat spliff and save a whale.

[niv]

Hello, fellow liberal! :rolleyes:;)

[robin]

I never knew I was that far left. Sheesh. Just another obnoxious commie college student, I am... ::goes back to reading Chomsky::

[niv]

ROTFLMAOROTFLMAOROTFLMAO

Eh, what can you do? Change who you are completely? It can be done, but you'd be going against what you stand for.

[bigperm]

1) Green Party 78%
2) Democratic Party 61%
3) Reform Party 61%
4) Natural Law Party 56%
5) Libertarian Party 50%
6) Republican Party 39%
7) Constitution Party 33%

I guess that's about right.

Hey Robin... glad someone else here even knows about ole Noam.

[Gayowulf]

I dont belong to any particular party. I'd just vote for the lesser of the evils, whether they be the marxist leninist party, or the liberals.

[Giancarlo]

I am one of the few here of this classification...

But I despise religious fantics myself. In my country, the Christian Socialists were popular in the eighties. I also despise people who think they have a solution for everything, particularily communists.

[trenzterra]

Here's what I got:
1) Republican Party 56%
2) Natural Law Party 50%
3) Libertarian Party 44%
4) Constitution Party 39%
5) Green Party 33%
6) Democratic Party 28%
7) Reform Party 17%

[bigperm]

I also despise people who think they have a solution for everything ... I can't think of anybody like that...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by bigperm
... I can't think of anybody like that...

Communists.

[niv]

What about those that have a mind close but subpar of Steven Hawking? :rolleyes:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
What about those that have a mind close but subpar of Steven Hawking? :rolleyes:

Communists. :p

[niv]

So very smart people are, by nature, communists? :rolleyes:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
So very smart people are, by nature, communists? :rolleyes:

No, very stupid people are. I was just stating the opposite. If you didn't sense the irony in there, I don't think you ever do.

All the intelligent people make money and help the people.

[niv]

Well, I don't usually use the :p for stating the opposite...but anyway.

Smart people can be liberals...

[Giancarlo]

Smart people can be liberals? I think that is an oxymoron.

[niv]

No, it is not an oxymoron. You just can't accept the fact that some people don't share the same political views that you do.

[Giancarlo]

It is... see you later.

[Valuablehost]

1) Libertarian Party 92%
2) Constitution Party 68%
3) Republican Party 48%
4) Reform Party 48%
5) Democratic Party 36%
6) Green Party 32%
7) Natural Law Party 20%

Woah :D

[Owen]

Giancarlo... You have an awfully distorted idea of liberals and conservative. You think all liberals are idiots and conservatives are geniuses. I will tell you that both have just about as many geniuses as idiots. Just because they do not conform to your ideals does not make them idiots.

And I am sure liberals say a smart conservative is an oxymoron. It is because they don't agree to your ideals that you say it is so.

[Giancarlo]

Alright, it is time to name people... Al Gore? Monkey with his brain attached wrong. Bill Clinton? Can't keep his pants up. Jimmy Carter? Vague in most of his speeches, and caused the economy to collapse in 1979. Carter also let the situation in Afghanistan go out of control.

There isn't really anybody the Liberals should look up to in their party. They don't have any good people to look up to.

Ronald Reagan? Saved the economy. Richard Nixon? Created treaties with nations seemingly impossible, but is downplayed by the watergate scandal, a liberal invention. Eisenhower? He saved the country from the Truman adminstration which allowed the deficit to balloon over 150% of the GDP.

Those are people republicans can look up to, as great leaders.

[jason]

Regan- anyone remember the Contra scandal?
Nixon- obvious watergate
Bush the 1st - economy went into reccesion.

Giancarlo employs the "don't think, thats what the government is for" way of being. quite sad. i am sick of hearing 'radical liberal' or 'protesting fools' like anyone who doesn't beleive in the outdated republician agenda is automatically a communist or socialist or some kind of 'ist'.

[Valuablehost]

Agreed :)

I'm a liberal :p


Originally posted by jason
Regan- anyone remember the Contra scandal?
Nixon- obvious watergate
Bush the 1st - economy went into reccesion.

Giancarlo employs the "don't think, thats what the government is for" way of being. quite sad. i am sick of hearing 'radical liberal' or 'protesting fools' like anyone who doesn't beleive in the outdated republician agenda is automatically a communist or socialist or some kind of 'ist'.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by jason
Regan- anyone remember the Contra scandal?
Nixon- obvious watergate
Bush the 1st - economy went into reccesion.

Giancarlo employs the "don't think, thats what the government is for" way of being. quite sad. i am sick of hearing 'radical liberal' or 'protesting fools' like anyone who doesn't beleive in the outdated republician agenda is automatically a communist or socialist or some kind of 'ist'.

Oh the Contra scandal? That was a damn plot, because Reagan appointed the wrong person to his team. Look at the record, Reagan gave us the internet, he gave us the technological boom and he even admits that the Contras scandal shouldn't of took place written in his autobiography. He was very angry about that too. That little problem is oftened used by liberals, like you, to undermine the technological advances made under the Reagan adminstration, created 14 Million new jobs, the GDP going towards the potential, the unemployment dropping, and the inflation simmering down.

Nixon was an expert in building treaties with Brezhnev. If that haven't happened A NUCLEAR WAR COULD OF OCCURED.

Did I mention Bush 1st? NO! I DID NOT. I don't like him because he shifted too much to the democrats by raising taxes. The 2nd Bush on the other hand is pulling this country out of the Clinton recession right now, positive outlooks are because of the tax-cuts.

Outdated Republican Agenda? How about economy-screwing democrat agenda? It is the democratic or liberal agenda which is seriously in the need of an update.

[robin]

Originally posted by bigperm
... I can't think of anybody like that...

I don't think he got it. So much for the "all conservatives are smart" theory.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by robin


I don't think he got it. So much for the "all conservatives are smart" theory.

Oh so I can't ignore someone now?

[niv]

Look, you can't go around calling a bunch of liberals idiots. Why? Because it is just wrong. You can say they are inferior if you want, since that's what you always do. There are plenty of liberals who can out-do you in academic skills. See if you can do this basic pre-calculus exercise:

Find any polynominal equation with degree 6 with given roots (1-5i), (6+2i), -i, with P(0) equaling or being less than 15. See how long it takes you. Should take you less than 2 minutes if you're on a sugar rush, 3 if you're tired.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
Look, you can't go around calling a bunch of liberals idiots. Why? Because it is just wrong. There are plenty of liberals who can out do you in academic skills. See if you can do this basic pre-calculus exercise:

Find any polynominal equation with degree 6 with given roots (1-5i), (6+2i), -i, with P(0) equaling or being less than 15. See how long it takes you. Should take you less than 3 minutes, smartass.

Hey pal, maybe it is a fact that I haven't even taken calculus so how do you know how smart I am? I tell you what I do know, the expenditures and income approach (don't ask), what the GDP is and I furthermore know inflation from top to bottom. I also know a few other things like what computers are... and how an economy works as said. What is the expenditures approach?

(C+X+Ig+G=GDP)

I am saying a few Republicans are of the more intelligent part of society.

[niv]

Do you think it is that way because you think about the economy first and the people second? I don't think it is the right time to criticize the tax cut of Bush's, but it didn't do wonders for the poor. That money would barely pay the half the rent for a one-studio apartment in Bedford-Stuyvesant where crime rates are still high in that it is the same rate as the beginning of urban depravation in the US.

I have my right to consider your political views inferior, because I have had to grow up with hardships. You haven't. You get the easy life.

[Giancarlo]

Oh I haven't? What an jack----.
Did you know my dad is still paying of debts from twenty five years ago from loans? I also lived in a country where someone makes $100 year because of people like you.

You have no damn idea what you are saying, that tax cut would help businesses. Get a lesson in economics before you say anything.

And if you ever make a comment about me not caring about the people, will put yourself in a very bad position with my attitude.

Your political views are vastly illogical.

[niv]

Tax cuts help businesses. So what. What about the vast number of people that work for the city, those that don't have the requirements to recieve tax breaks. I am talking about people who have to rely on the government to pay their bills, those that have to send their children to failing schools, and might I say, dilaptated? I've been at Brooklyn Technical High School the last two weeks since the WTC tragedy. It was the pride of Brooklyn in the 20s, when it was first build. Nowadays, the ceiling is literally falling apart, the plaster littering the floor, the stairwells getting rusty. Tax cuts help businesses. What about the people. What about the children. What about improvement. Tax cuts that give you pocket change should not take place, and instead it should be spent for urban renewal (not the path of destruction Robert Moses had caused in the 60s but renovation...one school was scheduled for renovation...instead of a quick renovation, halfway through the school year, a brick fell off the wall onto a student's head. This kind of thing shouldn't happen!). I am not saying that you do not care for the people, you just do it indirectly.



Oh I haven't? What an jack----.
Did you know my dad is still paying of debts from twenty five years ago from loans?

I barely had any food growing up. Debts? That's just bad spending. You can make do with almost nothing. No offense meant.



I also lived in a country where someone makes $100 year because of people like you.

I currently live in a country where the unskilled are trying to just survive, where technological advances have taken place so quickly, people cannot keep up and immigrants searching for a better life are being shoved into the slums, or even worse.



Your political views are vastly illogical.

And it is my right to say the same to you.

[robin]

good lord. stop already with the pissing contest! POLITICS are vastly illogical, and no one set of values can successfully run a system. Ideals like democracy and free markets are just ideals, and they don't work in real life. Compromise has to be struck between the ideals and what will actually work -- not one set of knee-jerk political dogma is going to solve all the world's problems.

[Gayowulf]

1) Democratic Party 75%
2) Natural Law Party 67%
3) Green Party 67%
4) Reform Party 58%
5) Libertarian Party 42%
6) Republican Party 42%
7) Constitution Party 17%

That is a pretty not very accurate test.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
Tax cuts help businesses. So what. What about the vast number of people that work for the city, those that don't have the requirements to recieve tax breaks. I am talking about people who have to rely on the government to pay their bills, those that have to send their children to failing schools, and might I say, dilaptated? I've been at Brooklyn Technical High School the last two weeks since the WTC tragedy. It was the pride of Brooklyn in the 20s, when it was first build. Nowadays, the ceiling is literally falling apart, the plaster littering the floor, the stairwells getting rusty. Tax cuts help businesses. What about the people. What about the children. What about improvement. Tax cuts that give you pocket change should not take place, and instead it should be spent for urban renewal (not the path of destruction Robert Moses had caused in the 60s but renovation...one school was scheduled for renovation...instead of a quick renovation, halfway through the school year, a brick fell off the wall onto a student's head. This kind of thing shouldn't happen!). I am not saying that you do not care for the people, you just do it indirectly.

I care for the people! YOU DON'T WITH YOUR SOCIALIST PROGRAMS THAT WOULD BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY, believe me I have seen your type. A damn know-it-all who thinks they have a damn solution for everything. You have no ----ing right to say what I think is right or not, and you haven't seen suffering you spoiled crap. Those tax-cuts have to tax place or the economy would be in a depression with your policies. The second depression where everyone goes poor.

[niv]

Yak yak yak. Do you have any reason to continue insulting me? I don't give a crap about what you have to say because all you end up doing is creating a round of personal attacks and cheap shots. Ehh, you're the spoiled piece of crap, since you're the one in your "fancy" private high school. Listen buster, you've witnessed suffering, but you haven't lived it..at least not yet. Being in the lower middle class isn't suffering, but you may consider it that way.

[LeX]

:yawn: Since you care so much, Giancarlo, why not write the Prez a letter?

"Dear Mr. Bush with a 'W',
I am writing to you because I think... (___fill_in_the_blank___).

Thank you for your time.

Kindest regards,
Your admirer"

:rolleyes:

[Toefur]

Giancarlo, try to find some enlightenment.

Try to see the world through not only your own point of view (POV) with its pre-determined ideals.

You need to look at things.

Then you need to look at your ideals through your own POV.
Then you need to look at your ideals through other peoples POV.
Then you need to look at someone elses ideals through your POV.
Then you need to look at someone elses ideals through other peoples POV.

Etc.

Open your eyes man.

I also forgot to mention that you need to do all this with an open-mind.

You need to do this without an opinion. You need to do it for knowledge and learning, to help you better understand.

It also sometimes helps to look at things skeptically, as it will make sure you don't bias it with your own opinions.

[LeX]

"I don't take orders from nobody."
(© 2001 Giancarlo, slightly revised by LeX)

[Giancarlo]

First off nobody ever quotes me! They will get in hell a lot of trouble.

Another thing is, if you care so much why then did your so-called policies that were used under the Clinton adminstration increase poverty in the US? Very stupid to even say them around here, neo-liberalism is dead now after the attacks on September 11th by the way.

Mister, I lived in a three room apartment in a lower-middle class area not too long ago, and now my dad has achieved that has changed. That is reason why I am republican, because I actually think about the people because I did infact live in suffering myself. We came up short for the rent several times, so don't give me ---- about suffering. My relative is seeing more suffering then you can imagine, and is helping these people. Maybe you should stop talking imaginary bull---- and actually help these people.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
First off nobody ever quotes me! They will get in hell a lot of trouble.


:p


Originally posted by Giancarlo
Another thing is, if you care so much why then did your so-called policies that were used under the Clinton adminstration increase poverty in the US? Very stupid to even say them around here, neo-liberalism is dead now after the attacks on September 11th by the way.

1. There were those that applied for welfare that DIDN'T NEED IT. You should know there are people looking to take advantage of any situation.
2. Those that were on welfare seemed to be stuck on it, and the only way to get them off this habit of living from check to check was to give them job experience. It's working well now.

Also, neoliberalism is still around, because unemployement is on the rise in certain areas of the US and so in the coming election, those that need employment will be voting for those that can provide it temporarily.



Mister, I lived in a three room apartment in a lower-middle class area not too long ago, and now my dad has achieved that has changed. That is reason why I am republican, because I actually think about the people because I did infact live in suffering myself. We came up short for the rent several times, so don't give me ---- about suffering. My relative is seeing more suffering then you can imagine, and is helping these people. Maybe you should stop talking imaginary bull---- and actually help these people.


Helping how? You haven't given one example of how your way of thinking helps suffering people. People who are suffering right now need the job experience to work in a high-tech sector and be able to get out of the suffering, and instead of sapping money for useless (miniscule i.e. pennies per day) tax cuts, plug them into providing programs to train people.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun

1. There were those that applied for welfare that DIDN'T NEED IT. You should know there are people looking to take advantage of any situation.
2. Those that were on welfare seemed to be stuck on it, and the only way to get them off this habit of living from check to check was to give them job experience. It's working well now.

Also, neoliberalism is still around, because unemployement is on the rise in certain areas of the US and so in the coming election, those that need employment will be voting for those that can provide it temporarily.

Neo liberalism was severely damaged because most radical liberals don't want to use force to remove the oppressive taliban regime. Those that need employment will get it by Bush's economic policies, similar to Reagans. Did you under the Reagan adminstration that fourteen million jobs were created? You probably didn't know. Under Carter fourteen million jobs were lost.

[LeX]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
First off nobody ever quotes me! They will get in hell a lot of trouble.Really? Oops. :jump:

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Neo liberalism was severely damaged because most radical liberals don't want to use force to remove the oppressive taliban regime.

Well, now that I see them for how they are, we can remove the oppressive Taliban regime, but that will not:

1. Remove the threat of terrorism.
2. Create peace. There are people that will be very resentful and take the place of /bin/laden

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun


Well, now that I see them for how they are, we can remove the oppressive Taliban regime, but that will not:

1. Remove the threat of terrorism.
2. Create peace. There are people that will be very resentful and take the place of /bin/laden

You are incorrect. We have to rebuild Afghanistan once the King is back in power. It will require removing the Taliban but that will not solve terrorism. Some people in the US, most likely people like you don't want a long term operation.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


You are incorrect. We have to rebuild Afghanistan once the King is back in power. It will require removing the Taliban but that will not solve terrorism.

You just contradicted yourself by saying that I am wrong and that peace will not be achieved (which is what I said). :jump:

There are people that will be resentful, those that already hate the US for how we are, and those extremists that are supporting the Taliban. I don't care about the length of the operation, I don't want any innocent civilians killed in the process.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun


You just contradicted yourself by saying that I am wrong and that peace will not be achieved (which is what I said). :jump:

There are people that will be resentful, those that already hate the US for how we are, and those extremists that are supporting the Taliban.

Then those extremists will have to die. There is no other option.

It will be unfornate because civilians might be killed by famine and thousands of them, there is nothing we can do about that (except overthrow the Taliban and give aide of course)... but we will never attack the civilians as you are trying to say, that is radical liberal rhetoric at the wrong time.

[niv]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
(except overthrow the Taliban and give aide of course)

Weren't we going to fly in and drop aid packages anyway? :confused:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hayama-kun


Weren't we going to fly in and drop aid packages anyway? :confused:

Yes and Bush's generous $320 Million dollar offer is a very good start. Give aide, fly it in? What is the difference? It still is going to get there.

[niv]

Hmm, I must have misread that as "then give aid".

Damn complex roots....sapping up my attention.

[Todd]

Just a reminder to keep things civil. Actually with heated debates like this I'm a bit surprised I haven't seen personal attacks. I don't count an attack on ones viewpoint a personal attack because generally exposing both sides of an argument will give both parties a better understanding of an issue to reach a better resolution.

[Giancarlo]

In a debate there are only people who say what they think is right, there are no winners or losers.

[niv]

Seeing that this is a thread showing what party you belong to, as the dust settles near the red zone and as I will be going there tomorrow morning,...

I'd like to post the results of the retake of the lp.org quiz:

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 100%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 70%.

Libertarian
Libertarians are self-governors in both personal and economic matters. They believe government's only purpose is to protect people from coercion and violence. They value individual responsibility, and tolerate economic and social diversity.

:D