Is capturing and killing Bin Laddin the best choice?

[Archbob]

Okay, since none of you agreed with me about the law thing, now I discuss is killing Bin Laddin the wisest choice.

The thing is we want his whole organization dead. I think there are well over 50,000 zealots in his organization and the total number of zealots who are suicidal as 10 times that. It has been said on CNBC that Bin Laddin only accepts 1 out of 10 into his camp, its like applying to Stanford.

Now, Killing Bin Laddin is fine with me(I'd nuke him if it were that simple), however the genocide of 500,000 islamics(even if they are terroists) is not.

If we do kill him and not the rest of the 500,000, then the situation of terrorism against the U.S. will be much worse than it is now.

So is capturing him and killing him the real answer?

[AsianDOC]

But we can't just let him go like that. Don't kill him I'd say. TORTURE HIM! Use his own money to TORTURE HIM!

[Todd]

I personally I like the route we're going now. We're tapping his funds to remove his power. It won't completely stop him but no organization can survive without money. They have a large food crisis in Afghanistan from what I hear as well. If he can't feed his followers they will leave him or natural selection will take its place and they will die of hunger.

I'm against letting innocent people starve but if it comes down to following him and dieing or leaving the group and they make the wrong choice I can't say I have much sympathy for them.

It's probably not that easy but so far we've been fighting a more intelligent war. If he isn't turned over we will get him in due time but right now the USA and other nations are doing the smart thing by taking him down piece by piece without sending in a front line of our own soldiers.

[trenzterra]

torture him. Give him a shock at his rib cage by poking him and he will go like that: ROTFLMAO

haha...
And let the electricity shock him.
At the last part of his life, put him inside the oven and heat him till he gets 100 degree C till he dies :D

[sp0radic]

Is that all anyone talks about in this forum?

:rolleyes:

[Toefur]

Killing Osama Bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding him prisoner will inspire comrades to take hostages to demand his release.

Therefore, let the Special Forces, Seals, or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital, and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation. Then we return her to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban.

[bigperm]

People are going think I am <edited> for this but here it goes...

I say we put him in a very <edited> and very gay American prison. I think that would teach him not to funk with us.

edit: Tact prevailed on this one.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Toefur
Killing Osama Bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding him prisoner will inspire comrades to take hostages to demand his release.

Therefore, let the Special Forces, Seals, or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital, and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation. Then we return her to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban. Then another riot: Finding the original Osama Bin Laden

Erase Osama's brain huh? Make her brain think that Talibans are bad.

[Giancarlo]

A few 5.56MM M-16 rounds in his head and all of his followers for the most cost-effective solution. We are not going to spend more money as it is on this bastard. What we need to do is a blitz, go in quickly, get the bastard, overthrow the taliban, get the Northern alliance and King Shah back into power and give tons of food supplies to the people to bring their hearts to support the west.

There is no other way in giving Bin Laden justice, only bullets would do.

[Kaliber]

he was on the front page of uglypeople.com the other day :D :D :D :D

[Giancarlo]

He is quite ugly, and smiles all the time... which means he is probably insane.

[Kaliber]

ya....he is kinda queer

hes a bum aswell! sitting around all the time!

[niv]

I'd like to commend the Coalition on the psychological warfare we're using on the Taliban, just like the Mongols had done so many centuries ago. Cheers! :D

[Giancarlo]

I wouldn't call him queer, because they are executed instantly under Taliban held Afghanistan.

On a slightly brighter note, the Northern Alliance now holds 20% of Afghanistan.

[Kaliber]

Ouch! :mad:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Phuzion
Ouch! :mad:

And if anybody teaches women anything they will get executed. You should of seen that show on CNN... gruesome. It is on Saturday night or something.

Queer is not a word for such a fascist society.

[Kaliber]

Well since i live in australia (sucks sometimes) we get news like hell slow. Is that the country where if u marry a women you get to "keep" her. Like you own her.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
He is quite ugly, and smiles all the time... which means he is probably insane.

Look at the attachment of Osama I've drawn :D

Serious offence, if Osama is here. :D

[Toefur]

Trenz, that picture was so pathetic it made me laugh. :classic2:

Firstly, Giancarly, I question your motives behind suggesting that the Northern Alliance be given power. These folks really shouldn't be supported, you do know, don't you, that most of their money comes from Opium?

It's things like that that get America into a lot of messes in the first place. If they support these opium growers now, it could come back to haunt them in 20 years time or so.

Anyway.

As for what to do with Mr. Laden... PROVIDED there is evidence he did it, in the first place.

Everyone seems to agree that just killing him would make him a martyr, hence causing perhaps further problems; as imprisoning him could cause difficulties too.

I doubt many will agree with the following, but is it not the best situation, and everyone still gets to see mr ladin die?

Firstly, this is going by the assumption that Bin Laden was behind it.

Even if there is no full evidence he was fully behind it, then he could still be tried on indictment charges if you can show that the perpertrators (sp?) were acting under the influence of his teachings.

The problem would be, where to hold the trial, and who should represent the case for and against?

Firstly, it should be done in an Islamic court: because he is a Muslim, and also (assumingly) he was not on, or anywhere near, US soil during the attacks.

an International court at the Hague or Geneva or whatever would be the natural choice, but tihnk a little deeper! If we are really interested in International law then ALL the worlds legal systems must be involved otherwise how can we expect any Islamic (or Communist for that matter) nation to give any credence to the judgement?

All the Islamic clerics seem to be stating that world trade happenings are against the teachings and legal pronouncements of Islam so if we can link him to those events then they should be quite willing to try him.

He could be tried in Bahrain (did I spell that right?) Because: They offered, they can provide the security, and there is a huge US and EU presence there.

The court should be made up of Islamic clerics and lawyers from all Islamic states, the prosecution should be handled by western Muslims where possible and the whole thing should be televised worldwide, including the bit where they hack his head off with a large blunt sword (the Saudi's can provide the executioner for that, they are real good at that sort of thing) if he is found guilty.

A weestern trial in the hague would not go down well with most people of the islamic countries, and would only make a martyr out of him.

[Giancarlo]

Oh so you want to make fun of my name now?

We need the King back in power and that is whom I am supporting. The Northern Alliance is funded by international groups like that Afghan Women's Group. It is the Taliban who control 99% of all opium.

Your opinion is thoughtful but incorrect, we must pour food into afghanistan, capture the hearts of all afghanis and then get Bin Laden and his entire organization. We will get justice probably by killing Laden and his entire organization, and you can't do anything about it. So go with the flow, you have no say what the Bush adminstration does with an 90% approval rating. You are one of those 10% who doesn't want to do anything.

[Toefur]

LMAO!!! Oh dude... I SWEAR that was a typo!

I seriously didn't mean it!!!

[Valuablehost]

Hello,

tranz, as Toefur said, that picture is so pathetic it made me crack up :D

[Toefur]

we must pour food into afghanistan, capture the hearts of all afghanis and then get Bin Laden and his entire organization.

Well, I agree with that. :)

Anyway, you can all kill Bin Laden and his organisation (provided they are guilty :D ), but what i described is how I think would be the best way for Bin Laden to be dealt with, with the best outlook for the world itself in mind.

However, I will not 'go with the flow'. The day everyone starts doing that, will be the day people lose their freedom!

[Giancarlo]

The freedom to do what? Protest thoughtlessly like those fools in Washington D.C? We must protect our freedom with ever-lasting vigiliance by killing all of those that endanger this freedom. If you do not like what Bush is doing then you are for the terrorists.

There is nothing more simple, these terrorists cannot and will not be tried in any court, but will rather be shot.

[Valuablehost]

Who does Bush think he is by saying " Either you are with us or against us." I mean there are many people who are with neither and just want to get on with there lives. Everyone should be given a chance in a court of law, isn't that what democracy is about?

[Toefur]

If you do not like what Bush is doing then you are for the terrorists.

Dude. Grow up. Get a grip. Open your eyes. Travel the world. Things are not as black and white as that.

[Valuablehost]

lol :D



Originally posted by Toefur
If you do not like what Bush is doing then you are for the terrorists.

Dude. Grow up. Get a grip. Open your eyes. Travel the world. Things are not as black and white as that.

[Toefur]

Originally posted by Valuablehost
Who does Bush think he is by saying " Either you are with us or against us." I mean there are many people who are with neither and just want to get on with there lives. Everyone should be given a chance in a court of law, isn't that what democracy is about?

Well said!

Personally, I was rather angered by that statement (Either you are with us or against us). Very very unprofessional, I think.

I think that anyone that suggests they do not get to be given a chance in a court of law, as is the American way thanks to it being the great democracy that it is, is an evil fascist communist.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Toefur
If you do not like what Bush is doing then you are for the terrorists.

Dude. Grow up. Get a grip. Open your eyes. Travel the world. Things are not as black and white as that.

Hey kiddo, I been to every country in South America, Europe, and Morocco. So don't say nothing and keep your mouth zipped shut.

[Toefur]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Hey kiddo, I been to every country in South America, Europe, and Morocco. So don't say nothing and keep your mouth zipped shut.

You must have been camatose. :rolleyes:

[Toefur]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
[B]The freedom to do what? Protest thoughtlessly like those fools in Washington D.C? [B]

Giancarlo, are you insinuating that these people should not have the right to do that?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Toefur


Giancarlo, are you insinuating that these people should not have the right to do that?

No, people have the right to replace their government if they don't feel satisifed. But at least 90% of the people in the US know that 5,000 American Citizens are dead. That 10% didn't realize that.

I did visit every country in South America, been to Europe and visited Morocco. My uncle does aide work in Zaire and Burundi, and has brought pictures back of the kind of work he has done with the people. Don't talk to me about that at all. I am the one that has the greatest understanding of the world and I know what suffering is. Are you that damn blind? I have pictures of the Colombian Civil war... you wanna see them?

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Toefur
Trenz, that picture was so pathetic it made me laugh. :classic2:
Well, it was supposed to make people laugh!

[Toefur]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


No, people have the right to replace their government if they don't feel satisifed. But at least 90% of the people in the US know that 5,000 American Citizens are dead. That 10% didn't realize that.

What exactly is the point of this obvious lie? I KNOW that EVERYONE knows these people died.

The fact of the matter is this: not everyone wants the same course of action. It does not make that 10% right or wrong, it does not make that 90% right or wrong.

JUST because the majority of people think a certain way, doesn't mean it is right, anyway.


I am the one that has the greatest understanding of the world and I know what suffering is.

And what would you define as suffering? Perhaps 'suffering' is when people put people above money (capitalism)? Mmhmm.

Giancarlo, you will argue this point. However, it seems to be a fact: You have very little understanding of this world.

Why not? Because you are a fascist that just does not understand the most important things.

PEOPLE.

You seem to have no understanding of anything except your own ways, and nothing else. You need to understand your opposition and see why they think this, and why they think that. You need to open your mind.

Just because somebody doesn't want war doesn't mean: they dont know people died. Just because they dont want war doesnt mean that they are ----ing communists!


Are you that damn blind? I have pictures of the Colombian Civil war... you wanna see them?

Sure, I'll see them.

Whats this got to do with anything? You've got pictures of it... and... ?

[garibaldi]

i dont believe that,if bin ladin was killed you might have a couple of days where they tried to fight back,but then they would skulk away,i cant wait to see those faces of the people cheering when the us was attacked,when they have a missile up their arses,lets see how brave they are then:devious2:

[garibaldi]

giancarlo,dont take this personally but how did you feel when your goverment got your people together and attacked our island the falklands,did you protest