No-Rules Hosting ?

[Zimbo]

I've been looking for a host for quite a while now, and noticed that EVERY single one of them has an Acceptable Use Policy nowadays, even the ones in countries far away from civilization.

Now I got the following problem:
I'd like to host a community, in which the use and effects of certain performance enhancing drugs can be openly discussed. This will include room for the respective sources to freely advertise any services. Alas, this would most probably seen as furthering of the use of said drugs or aid in sale of the same or whatever the legal terms may be, you get my drift.

And getting my door kicked in by some drug squad is really the last thing I need.

Now I know that some of these communities exist on American servers, but I wonder if it's just a matter of time for them to be dragged before the court.

So, my question is:
Isn't there ANY provider out there anymore who does NOT care what the hell I put on his server?

Possibly in a country that has no legal ties with the USA ?

I really don't want to have to hide my real opinion on the subject behind a cheesy disclaimer just to be safe.

Please remember, this will NOT be a junkie board, but rather provide solid information and education on effects and side effects for responsible users or curious people.

Thanks a lot in advance,

Zimbo

PS: I hope this is not against the board rules or customs. If so, I sincerely apologize.

[Archbob]

You could host yourself if you have a unix server or ask an "adult host" to see if they will allow it.

[Zimbo]

Alas, I do not have a Unix server, and my cable company's TOS do not allow me to host websites either :(

Regarding adult hosts, are there any in particular you would recommend ?

Thanks,

Zimbo

[Archbob]

Not really, I don't surf adult hosts, and they seem to have their share of trouble. They usually costs more than regular hosts. But I'm sure someone around here knows more about them than me.

[Zimbo]

Thanks for your time anyways :)

The thing is, I really wonder where all the warez, bomb, kiddie porn, terrorist and fanatic organizations get their webspace from.

I even looked at a provider in Nepal and they had the same AUP like everybody else :D

Zimbo

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Zimbo
I really wonder where all the... ...kiddie porn... ...get their webspace from.Please, that isn't even something to think about. That is just plain sick.

But, you might check out http://entangledweb.com

[Zimbo]

Originally posted by Phrozen
Please, that isn't even something to think about. That is just plain sick.

Actually, I don't know why you pick this particular topic, as imho terrorism and fanaticism are just as bad.

I get your drift though and agree with your statement.

I was merely wondering, why they can find a host for REAL crime, where I can't even find one to talk about something.


But, you might check out http://entangledweb.com

Thank you Phrozen, I appreciate your help.

:)

Zimbo

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Zimbo


Actually, I don't know why you pick this particular topic, as imho terrorism and fanaticism are just as bad.That is true, but I guess that one particular item just seemed to stick out from the others when I saw it.

[Zimbo]

Dang, no luck with entangledweb either.

AUP prohibits to host "Any site advocating any illegal activities."

Which, alas, is what mine might be construed as.

Thanks anyways,

Zimbo

[Chris]

You might want to consider contacting the hosts. No host is going to allow "illegal activity."

Regards,

[Zimbo]

I meant they don't allow illegal activities according to US statutes, as they're based in Georgia.

If I were to find a provider in a country where said drugs aren't illegal, everything would be ok :-)

E.g., it wouldn't hurt me at all if I were to host marihuana talk on a dutch server that prohibits illegal activity, as the use of the same is legal there.

Well, you get my point :D

Zimbo

[Gayowulf]

Zimbo, something you may want to try is looking up other sites similar to the one you have and see where they are hosted. look where other sites such as pro marijuana sites are hosted. I really doubt that discussion of illegal substances is a crime.. free speech, right?
What sections of the AUP is giving you trouble?

[Zimbo]

Originally posted by Gayowulf
Zimbo, something you may want to try is looking up other sites similar to the one you have and see where they are hosted. look where other sites such as pro marijuana sites are hosted. I really doubt that discussion of illegal substances is a crime.. free speech, right?
What sections of the AUP is giving you trouble?

Hmmm, I'd say especially the part where it says I'm not supposed to take part in "advocating any illegal activities", which is exactly what I think I do by giving people a place to further their drug abuse. Especially since I want to let sources openly advertise their services. I would basically host dealers, right?

Also, I did what just what you suggested, and noticed that all the existing pages that refer to the subject ARE in fact hosted in the USA. Now what I think is that it's just a matter of time until law enforcement got all the evidence they need and get the DA to issue a nice fancy warrant.

So basically, while it seems safe to host locally, it might not be the freedom of speech saving those sites, but rather the unawareness of the law at this point. YET.

Please let me know if I'm mistaken with my view, maybe freedom of speech does in fact cover my website and I'm just too paranoid to see it.

Regards,

Zimbo

[Gayowulf]

Zimbo, while your paranoia is certainly not unbounded, I doubt the law would ever seek you out. At least you recognize the fact that your site is illegal, or at least somewhat illegal.

The best thing to do would be to talk to many different hosts and see what their view on the suject is. I think the law governing these types of things doesn't extend further that your host's preference.

If you continue to be paranoid, talk to a lawyer. See if it would be possible to write a disclamer stating that you are not in any way condoning the use of these drugs, but informing the public to their existence. I find it hard to believe that you would be shut down before the manufacturers of these performance enhancing drugs.

Another suggestion- Find a country where these performance enhancing drugs are legal.

Thats what I think, anyways

[Zimbo]

I really appreciate it :)

Zimbo

[nerocities]

Hey,

Check out Stormhosting.com/site

It looks good.

[Archbob]

I can see why you would want to host such a site, there is alot of money to be made from such a site, but with great profit always come great risk.

Do what everyone has told you, talk to hosts and have a lawyer handy, although I doubt anyone will hunt you down or anything.

[Zimbo]

Originally posted by Archbob
I can see why you would want to host such a site, there is alot of money to be made from such a site, but with great profit always come great risk.

Do what everyone has told you, talk to hosts and have a lawyer handy, although I doubt anyone will hunt you down or anything.

Actually, I'm not even planning to make any profit at all.
The only potential profit would be to sell the aforementioned drugs, which I would never do.

I merely do it, because information and education are necessary for a 'safe' use of steroids. Thus, it is important to have a relatively unbiased platform, that is free from the media hype, politics and, foremost, PC.

I'd also like to thank everybody for their input, all comments are very much appreciated.

:)

Zimbo

[Coight]

So all you really want to have on this site is information on the effects of drug use?. How can this be illegal? If you want to sell drugs over the internet that's another thing. If you would tell me exactly what would be put on this site I might be able to work out something with you.

Robert

[Zimbo]

Originally posted by Myacen Network
So all you really want to have on this site is information on the effects of drug use?. How can this be illegal? If you want to sell drugs over the internet that's another thing. If you would tell me exactly what would be put on this site I might be able to work out something with you.

Robert

Yes Robert. Information AND advice on the use of anabolic / androgenic steroids. Also, room for respective sources to freely advertise. I will host a message board and a chat room. As for the amount of members, I'm aiming for 1.000 max.

I might make it invite-only.

Please let me know what you think :)

Dex

[Gayowulf]

I can undestand where you are coming from, Zimbo.

For the past few years I have been operating a site that, when it comes to the law, resides in a legal "grey area" There are no laws pronouncing my content to be illegal, nor any laws stating it is legal. I have only been shut down once; someone was offended and talked to my host, who ignored their complaints. Eventually this individual found the parent company of my host and got them to shut me down. This was accomplished by threats of legal action. (Which didn't make much sense. this guy had the literacy of a 12 year old.) Needless to say I was hostless for some time. ( that parent company didn't even look at my site(!))

What I learned from this whole experience is that the law doesnt, in most cases, come looking for you. If you get shut down it will be because someone reported you, which i think is unlikely.

I guess what I am saying is that there are risks, but not risks that involve your door being kicked down by an FBI agent. I doubt that any particular authority could afford to take the time to pick over all the borderline sites on the internet.

Be careful where you post your link, and monitor where your traffic is coming from.

[Coight]

Also, room for respective sources to freely advertise.

This comment is it to advertise Preventative measures or similar or where to buy/obtain drugs?

Robert

[Zimbo]

Originally posted by Myacen Network
Also, room for respective sources to freely advertise.

This comment is it to advertise Preventative measures or similar or where to buy/obtain drugs?

Robert

The latter.

Dex

[Zimbo]

I assume that was the wrong answer :D

Dex

[Coight]

Well if they were legal drugs we would have no problems, but we do not want to risk it.

Regards
Robert

[Zimbo]

No problem Robert, I understand.

Thanks anyways,

Dex

[Wezz]

Too bad there are no dutch servers with cgi and/or php so you can host your messageboard and chatbox there.
There are some listed in this index but unfortunatly none of them actually offer cgi and/or php.

[Zimbo]

Originally posted by Wezz
Too bad there are no dutch servers with cgi and/or php so you can host your messageboard and chatbox there.
There are some listed in this index but unfortunatly none of them actually offer cgi and/or php.

Hmmm... a Dutch server really sounds like a good idea :)

I also found a Russian provider, but since only like two words were in English, I couldn't manage to sign up :D

Why is it that Dutch servers don't support CGI and PHP ?

[Wezz]

I don't know. I wish they would, because I have plans for a website in dutch but from The Netherlands servers in the USA are slow. And that's a pitty.
In this index you can find www.deds.nl and www.iplaneet.nl/hosting but the first one doesn't allow sign-ups anymore and the second one did not have cgi before they went down due to "problems".
If I had the money...

[Hansm]

Originally posted by Zimbo
So, my question is:
Isn't there ANY provider out there anymore who does NOT care what the hell I put on his server?

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