Borders using dreamweaver

[cheatpark]

Can anyone tell me how I make borders using dreamweaver. I don't mean frames.

[meow]

Borders on what?

[cheatpark]

What I mean is when you have the main page in the middle and a navigational menu on the left and the site name in a top border etc.

[Bruce]

So you mean tables?

[meow]

We don't know what button to push in DW anyway. Doesn't the little table wizzard ask you about borders? :D

[cheatpark]

Yeah, I think tables is what I mean. I'll check out that table wizard.

[meow]

It's easy to alter the code but I take it your question is "How to make DW do it"

FYI (the old HTML way)
<table border="1">

1 or 2 or 3 or....the size is in pixels.

[cheatpark]

Yeah, that was the question but I don't mind if I use code as long as it does the job. Thanks.

[cheatpark]

In between what tags do I put the code?

[Bruce]

put it in the table tag.



<table border=1>

[meow]

Find the table you want to have a border. then add it in the TABLE tag.
<table border="3" cellpadding="" cellspacing="">
<tr>
<td>
and so on and so on

For more control you need CSS.

LOL We seem to always post at the same time P. :p

[deeplist]

In DreamWeaver 4, you have the option to change the table border from the menu when you first create the table. After words, you can always change the value on the formating panel.

(I always display the formating panel at the bottom of the screen.)

[GameSource]

U sure its tables, and not frames cheat wants?

[Dusty]

U sure its tables, and not frames cheat wants?The first thing he said was "I don't mean frames".

[cheatpark]

All sounds very complicated but I'll give it a go.

[meow]

lol! No, it's far from complicated. Ask again if you get stuck. ;)

[cheatpark]

I think I'll try tables and frames. Which ever is best I'll do that. Are there any bad points about frames?

[meow]

Yes, about 10 000. Don't use frames if you don't have a real good reason.
What's the problem? If you can show the page we can help you better (oh this Christmas spirit! :p).

[deeplist]

Like Meow said, don't use frames if you don't have too. I personally HATE frames. A lot of the older version browsers don't support frames either. If you have the choice, go with NON-frames.

[cheatpark]

I can't see 10,000 bad points about using frames. The page is http://www.cheatpark.net . That was made using frames and I can't see any bad points. I would have to go with frames because its far less complicated. Most people don't have really old browsers.

[meow]

Can you mention one good point? I'll trade you two bad for each good. :D

Huh, why is your page framed? You don't use any of the features frames offer. You'll just get the disadvantages. :(

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by meow
Can you mention one good point? I'll trade you two bad for each good. :D

Huh, why is your page framed? You don't use any of the features frames offer. You'll just get the disadvantages. :(

Its framed because its easier than tables.

[cheatpark]

ok. I give in. I think frames suck and tables are too complicated.

[cheatpark]

What I don't understand is what I have to do after I draw out the table?

[andyLee]

Originally posted by cheatpark
ok. I give in. I think frames suck and tables are too complicated.

It is not complicted!!!

For both frame and table are border =1


<table border =1>

<frameset border=1 ...>

[cheatpark]

Yeah, but I can't type inside them.

[Mekhu]

Cheatpark, do you have ICQ?

ICQ me at 44906812, and we can go through making tables in DW!

Also, you can try some of these links:

http://www.iboost.com/build/software/dw/tutorial/786.htm

Part 7 is specifically tables. I would suggest reading the entire thing though.

[cheatpark]

I don't have ICQ but I have msn.

[cheatpark]

I think I understand it now.

[meow]

You know, if you are learning you would do yourself a favour by just typing the code and leave the wizards for later. :)

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by meow
You know, if you are learning you would do yourself a favour by just typing the code and leave the wizards for later. :)

What's the best way to remember html then?

[meow]

Practice, a tutorial or book and a good reference...Point is, that those programs put out some messy code. It's hard for you to correct it if you don't know how.

I'm not anti WYSIWYG even if I don't like/use it myself. But I think they slows down and even prohibits the learning process. If one doesn't know of what a table consists and how it works one can use a table wizard for years and still have trouble to fine tune the output and correct the errors when something goes wrong.

Just my 2&#162; :biggrin2:

[cheatpark]

I might make a site with lots of html and it tells you what it does (like a book). That would be a good source to revise from.

[deeplist]

The way I learned HTML was just to check the source codes of otehr web sites. :D I would try out the codes on my small personal home pages and learn what they would do. Soon after that I began to remember the codes. It is just like learning a foreign language. Just practice over and over again. :)

[andyLee]

For me, other than read other site.

I have a good book

HTML Quick Reference
ISBN :0-7897-0867-1
Robert Mullen

My one is the Chinese edition, it is cheaper to buy Chinese edition than Original one in Hong Kong, in HTML 3.2

How good it is?

It lists out all the tag and attrib. It is also clearly to display how the browser support condition.

It is good enough since the browsers have not supported HTML 4.0 well still.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by andyLee
For me, other than read other site.

I have a good book

HTML Quick Reference
ISBN :0-7897-0867-1
Robert Mullen

My one is the Chinese edition, it is cheaper to buy Chinese edition than Original one in Hong Kong, in HTML 3.2

How good it is?

It lists out all the tag and attrib. It is also clearly to display how the browser support condition.

It is good enough since the browsers have not supported HTML 4.0 well still.

Thanks for that. Are there any really, really good sites though?

[meow]

Tutorials I don't know. So much have changed so the same rules don't apply anymore. But for references I would suggest WDG, www.htmlhelp.com. They have very nice HTML4 and CSS1 references both online and for download. A little easier to read than "the real thing" at www.w3c.org.

[cheatpark]

Spaced out and sometimes interactive tutorials are always easier to read than books.

[meow]

You seem enough spaced out without tutorial. :p