help me pick a computer AMD?

[jason]

ok i decided to forget about getting an ibm since i would have to ship it out to be serviced so i have checked out the the local computer store and narrowed it down to these 2 please give me your opinions on these packages

AMD Athalon XP 1600+Ghz
256MB DDR PC2100
40GB U ATA100 7200rpm
MSI GF2 GTS PRO Ti2000 64MB DDR
52X cdrom
SB LiveValue 5.1 OEM
Windows XP
Mid Tower +300W
for about $1500 canadian. if i should pick this one should i choose windows 2000 instead?

here the other one
Intel P4 1.5Ghz
256MB SDRAM PC133
40gb UATA100 7200rpm
Pine GeForce2 MX400 64MB tv-0
52x cdrom
SB LIve Value 5.1 OEM
windows XP

is Intel better than Athalon?
thanks all

[Robert]

I recommend AMD Athlon. The AMD Athlon XP 1600.

And no. Put Windows XP Pro on there. =)

[Bruce]

I agree with Robert on one point. Take the Athlon.

On another note, I would choose Windows 2000 over XP.

[Robert]

I don't disagree with you Phrozen. I recently installed Windows 2000 Advance Server and it's pretty good. I have a copy of Windows 2000 Professional as well but have not tried it yet. My choice of Windows XP Pro over anything is because of how easy it is to install XP, restore XP, and basic functions that Win98 didn't have. If your gonna get an AMD Athlon XP.. might as well get the OS that was named after... XP.

Another note.... the OS is the least problems you will have in choosing a system. It's what is inside that counts. You can always change OS and select the OS you like .. cheaper than changing the computer until you find the one you like.

I'm not an Intel Fan. I don't hate Intel.. I don't like Intel. I'm an AMD person. I like the Athlon.. scratch that.. I LOVE the AMD Athlon.

I would choose the Athlon system because it's an Athlon, it uses DDR Ram (Much faster), as well as the nice 300+ watt case. Not sure if the Intel comes with it.

Honestly.. which ever you choose, you'll be satisfied. The speed of both is extremely fast, the contents of both systems are very nice. You won't go wrong for picking the Athlon, than again.. you won't go wrong for picking the Intel.

Basically it comes down to price.

[jason]

well they are basically the same price, i just want a system that can run a ----load of programs at once with no problem. and the intel has a 300 watt power supply too.

[YUPAPA]

I think IBM is no good because you can't add hardwares on that (because it is compact)...

[Giancarlo]

I would strongly advise getting an AMD cpu instead because based on my experience AMD is much faster. I tried my friends computer and it is quite comparable. I had this software that could test the computer speed and it shown that my computer was easily 10-20% faster than the comparable Intel CPU on the market. And this computer had nearly the same specifications. So go with AMD, and you won't regret it when you have it.

Intel mainly uses SDRAM and RDRAM.
Both of them are crappy, and DDRAM means "double" rate. SDRAM means "single rate". I don't know what RDRAM stands for but RAMBUS is getting in a lawsuit for something they did wrong, and I heard it is a poor performer.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by YUPAPA
I think IBM is no good because you can't add hardwares on that (because it is compact)...

And your point is?

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by jason
ok i decided to forget about getting an ibm since i would have to ship it out to be serviced so i have checked out the the local computer store and narrowed it down to these 2 please give me your opinions on these packages

AMD Athalon XP 1600+Ghz
256MB DDR PC2100
40GB U ATA100 7200rpm
MSI GF2 GTS PRO Ti2000 64MB DDR
52X cdrom
SB LiveValue 5.1 OEM
Windows XP
Mid Tower +300W
for about $1500 canadian. if i should pick this one should i choose windows 2000 instead?

here the other one
Intel P4 1.5Ghz
256MB SDRAM PC133
40gb UATA100 7200rpm
Pine GeForce2 MX400 64MB tv-0
52x cdrom
SB LIve Value 5.1 OEM
windows XP

is Intel better than Athalon?
thanks all

Go with

AMD Athalon XP 1600+Ghz
256MB DDR PC2100
40GB U ATA100 7200rpm
MSI GF2 GTS PRO Ti2000 64MB DDR
52X cdrom
SB LiveValue 5.1 OEM
Windows XP
Mid Tower +300W

....
i have an Athlon XP 1800 and its wicked.

[anarchistvi]

Originally posted by robert
I recommend AMD Athlon. The AMD Athlon XP 1600.

And no. Put Windows XP Pro on there. =)
That's your best bet.

[trenzterra]

Actually, the CPU depends on which features you would like to have.

For gaming etc, AMD is good, otherwise, Intel is ok.

[jason]

thanks for your input everyone i really appreciate it. i think i will go for the AMD but i just have one more question. about the windows XP, does that mean i can only use applications made for XP? i have many programs on my windows 98 computer that i have not seen for XP infact i don't think i have seen any programs made for XP. will 98 programs play on this new platform?

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by jason
thanks for your input everyone i really appreciate it. i think i will go for the AMD but i just have one more question. about the windows XP, does that mean i can only use applications made for XP? i have many programs on my windows 98 computer that i have not seen for XP infact i don't think i have seen any programs made for XP. will 98 programs play on this new platform?

No it doesn't - i've had no problems with ANY program.

[Giancarlo]

It is your choice whether you want XP or not... Windows 98 is fine for me.

[Robert]

Windows 98SE was the best OS Microsoft ever made. And I still recommend it. But you have the power and the system to run Windows XP Pro.

I recommend Windows XP. So far everything has worked except for Intel's webcam software (but a fix is being created).

[Archbob]

Originally posted by jason
ok i decided to forget about getting an ibm since i would have to ship it out to be serviced so i have checked out the the local computer store and narrowed it down to these 2 please give me your opinions on these packages

AMD Athalon XP 1600+Ghz
256MB DDR PC2100
40GB U ATA100 7200rpm
MSI GF2 GTS PRO Ti2000 64MB DDR
52X cdrom
SB LiveValue 5.1 OEM
Windows XP
Mid Tower +300W
for about $1500 canadian. if i should pick this one should i choose windows 2000 instead?

here the other one
Intel P4 1.5Ghz
256MB SDRAM PC133
40gb UATA100 7200rpm
Pine GeForce2 MX400 64MB tv-0
52x cdrom
SB LIve Value 5.1 OEM
windows XP

is Intel better than Athalon?
thanks all


I'd go with the 1600+ XP all the way. Anyone know how the Quantispeed architecture matches up against faster Intel CPU's?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Archbob



I'd go with the 1600+ XP all the way. Anyone know how the Quantispeed architecture matches up against faster Intel CPU's?

Intel isn´t faster.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Intel isn´t faster. According to cpu speed they are. Intel has a 2000 Mhz cpu while AMD's fastest is 1600 MHz.

Cpu speed isn't everything though, which has also been proven by Apple.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Phrozen
According to cpu speed they are. Intel has a 2000 Mhz cpu while AMD's fastest is 1600 MHz.

Cpu speed isn't everything though, which has also been proven by Apple.

You are right, the CPU doesn´t mean anything. Because AMD´s fastest can easily beat the fastest Intel CPU out there. Apple? Whats Apple? (J/k, They been thrown off the market you know)

[kojiro]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


You are right, the CPU doesn´t mean anything. Because AMD´s fastest can easily beat the fastest Intel CPU out there. Apple? Whats Apple? (J/k, They been thrown off the market you know)


APPLE?!?!?!?!? Who uses this crap?


When I ask my computer dealer about why AMD is cheaper than INTEl, they said it overheats much faster. You can tell by how large its fan is.

If your room aint airconditioned then I would muchprefer an INTEL. right?

[Bruce]

Originally posted by rshinji



APPLE?!?!?!?!? Who uses this crap?They are the most powerful computers.



If your room aint airconditioned then I would muchprefer an INTEL. right? Wrong. AMD chips will be a bit warmer, but all you need is a decent cooler and case fan.

[anarchistvi]

If you get a cooling system like that Golden Orb crap you don't really have to worry about it. I don't have an airconditioned home and the my AMD has never overheated, though it really doesn't get that hot here.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Phrozen
Wrong. AMD chips will be a bit warmer, but all you need is a decent cooler and case fan.

Or a nice air conditioner like I have. It takes my room down to 65F while it is 100F outside!

Apple doesn't make a good competitor like AMD does towards Intel. Apple's interface is very pathetic in my opinion and belongs in a 1st grade classroom instead of on my desk.

[kojiro]

ive used apple and i am certain it's crap

[anarchistvi]

Originally posted by rshinji
ive used apple and i am certain it's crap
I wouldn't say that its crap, but I'd definitely say that it sucks really bad. I've heard that it can be useful for stuff, I just don't really know what.

[Bruce]

For those of you who say Apples suck, have you ever used a powermac? Those things just have raw cpu power. You should see how much smoother apps like photoshop run on that over an intel or amd cpu.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Phrozen
For those of you who say Apples suck, have you ever used a powermac? Those things just have raw cpu power. You should see how much smoother apps like photoshop run on that over an intel or amd cpu.

Infact I have. My relatives bought one... I am unsure of what Model. It doesn´t even stack up against my Thunderbird not even close. Sure they are good in a few things, and even better than the AMD or Intel but certainly not in most things. :rolleyes:

[Coolin]

Apple's false claim about it's processor performing at the same speed at half the MHz is total bull----. They back it up by performing tests on Photoshop, a program original designed and optimized for Apple and simply ported for the PC.

[kojiro]

[QUOTE][i]

here the other one
Intel P4 1.5Ghz
256MB SDRAM PC133
40gb UATA100 7200rpm
Pine GeForce2 MX400 64MB tv-0
52x cdrom
SB LIve Value 5.1 OEM
windows XP


what no modem?

You don't mention the motherboard. I was planning to copy your specs when I noticed the motherB wasnt listed.

[jason]

i don't think the motherboard is listed on the page they gave me, i didn't mention small stuff like modems and internet kb, whatever that is and speakers. i'm not sure if i want something that might overheat, i leave the thing on 24/7 is that ok to do with an AMD? i don't really have air conditioning just in the main room only.

[Coolin]

An AMD won't overheat like that.
It runs hotter, but it's big time faster than any P4. Just get a good fan for it and you can run it 24/7 with no prob.

[Archbob]

Originally posted by Phrozen
For those of you who say Apples suck, have you ever used a powermac? Those things just have raw cpu power. You should see how much smoother apps like photoshop run on that over an intel or amd cpu.

Image editing apps do run a hell lot better on macs, games on the other hand........

[kojiro]

AMD Athalon XP 1600+Ghz
256MB DDR PC2100
40GB U ATA100 7200rpm
MSI GF2 GTS PRO Ti2000 64MB DDR
52X cdrom
SB LiveValue 5.1 OEM
Windows XP
Mid Tower +300W


What motherboard (brand) would you recommend?

What fan is best? Does the fan come with the Athlon processor like the P4?

So I need two fans total, right? One for the processor and one for the casing?

[ExoWorks]

buy a computer with :-
AMD 1.8 GHZ
600 MB RAM
Linux 6.2

This will die in 2 days :confused: ....

Here is another one :-
P4 1.8 GhZ
600 Mb Ram
Linux 6.2

This will work.
Athlon is cheaper than Intel, so if you want cheaper, buy Athlon.
Only the bus speed of Athlon is fast.
Actually don;t buy P4 (1.4,1.5,1.6,1.7), its no good. Its speed is very bad, PIII is better than it. Hope for P5 to be a lot better :confused2 .........

But here is a good one.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
P4 or athlon 1.8 or 2.0 Ghz
50 GB HDD
512 Mb sdram or ddram or any thing you like
Acorp Main Board ,,, never use intel, its sucks.
VGA Card 32 Mb
48x, 52x or any cd-rom, i recommend a Cd-RW.
monitor ----- 17" ....
speackers, mouse, keayboard (no problem if you don't want them, just see the computer, don't d anything :D )
conexant modem is better for 56K connections.
to enteratin yourself a little, buy a mercury tv tuner card.
a HP printer and an LG scanner,, and maybe a camera
Buy a case according to the processor you bought
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This will cost USD :::: $900/.
According to my country with everything i included.

[kojiro]

here is a list of motherboards that I found for Athlon that I can afford.


Jet 867 AS 266MHZ / DDR / S (not sure if xp ready)

REDFOX R7VGK / 266MHZ / SND U100 / SAVAGE / XP READY

ASUS A7V / 133 266MHZ / U100 (not sure if xp ready)


Does anyone know a decent Athlon xp motherboard that's not over expensive.


Oh yeah if my motherboard supports DDRAM, can I still use an SDRAM?

[Giancarlo]

rshinji: I am not sure. But SDRAM is only single data rate and DDRAM is double data rate, so I would buy the DDRAM instead. You would get twice the speed.

[Robert]

Inte supports up to 400mhz FBS.
Amd supports up to 266mhz FBS.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by robert
Inte supports up to 400mhz FBS.
Amd supports up to 266mhz FBS.

Actually, you got it all wrong. The AMD utilizes more on-cpu cache. It doesn´t really matter what the FBS is, because Intel has ---- for on-board cache. AMD always had double the cache Intel had. And in all the tests AMD outperforms Intel by 10-20%!! Explain that.

[kojiro]

I found this link, if anyone is interested.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_182_869_1039^4046|107_1,00.html

[Giancarlo]

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_865_3759,00.html

Oh and take a look at the Benchmarks, they prove that AMD is 20% faster than Intel.

[Robert]

I never said Intel was faster. I was telling you the facts, that Intel supports up to 400mhz FBS. And AMD supports up to 266mhz FBS. Of course AMD is faster. I'm an AMD person all the way. Amd isn't a small company no more, it's making a big come back and many big companies are now using AMD.

I dont hate Intel, I just don't think Intel is worth the money.

[Giancarlo]

Sorry I misinterpreted.

You are right, Intel is very expensive... at newegg for example you can tell. The prices are outrageous for the Intel compared to the AMD.

[kojiro]

If video card has a TV-out, does it mean I won't need a monitor?

I am planning not to buy a monitor bec it's too expensive.

[vorapoap]

IT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!
NORMAL TV HAS VERY LOW RESOLUTION..

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by rshinji
If video card has a TV-out, does it mean I won't need a monitor?

I am planning not to buy a monitor bec it's too expensive.

Some video cards have TV outs, and even though the video card you order would be good on the monitor you have to find out if it is good on the TV. Because somethings some very good video cards have crappy TV outs.

Oh and if you need a low cost monitor that is excellent try getting this one: http://www.techdepot.com/Product.asp?ProductID=345960&iid=342

[jason]

well i am not going to use Linx because i have no idea how to use and don't want to learn, i just need a computer with plenty of memory that will last at least 3 years. also i have a desk with a little cuboard thing for the hardrive, would this make the harddrive overheat? should i ask for a stronger fan? it is worth another $100 for a video card with a TV-OUt? what does that do exactly? thanks again guys.

[Robert]

No. If you palce your tower in that place in your desk, it will not over heat. If the desk is a computer desk, it will have proper ventilation. a TV Output allows you to plug your TV (if it supports it) into your computer and watch say DVD movies on your TV.

[Giancarlo]

Or you could get a DVD drive for your computer. :D

[jason]

ok so right now i'm really leaning towards Athalon but this overheating thing still worries me. i seem to have a problem with dust in my apartment and go through a fan every few months on my P2 that i am using right now. do you think this would cause a problem for the AMD? could i request a special fan or something? i really can't have it overheat, if i were to loose the stuff on my harddrive i would be ----ed

AMD may be cheaper but i the price isn't really an issue, i want quality, something that will last for years with little to no problems.

[Giancarlo]

I heard Intel heats just as much as AMD.

If you want quality, get a good cooling system and an AMD. On newegg.com they have some good additional case fans you can put into the expansion slots. If you have a problem with dust I suggest you get dust bunnies to put around your room which you can throw out and compressed air for your computer.