I need a reseller plan! [Archive]

UndercoverHost

January 20th, 2002, 17:15

I was just about to sign up with donhost in a few days, but I am still not sure about it. can ya guys help me to piuck a good reseller plan. I need something like donhost, but I do need stable kind. is there anything less that 60 dollars per month? At least something less than 80 dollars per month? Thanks

niv

January 20th, 2002, 17:49

www.mchost.com
www.splashhost.com

:)

UndercoverHost

January 20th, 2002, 17:57

no, I mean like donhost. Like they give me lot of space and bandwidth and control panel and then I just give my users how much space I feel like to give them. Ohh well, I do need unix. If there isnt any I'll go with donhost then. has anybody tried gnxonline.com ?

niv

January 20th, 2002, 17:58

Well, a true reseller plan wouldn't have a load of BS like saying you get unlimited disk space.

UndercoverHost

January 20th, 2002, 18:05

Who said unlimited anyways. Donhost said I'll get 50 gb bandwidth/month and unlimited disk space usage. He said there is very big limit of space when I asked them how much space do Iactually get and he said there is very big limit of space! Anyways anybody know something same as donhost in prices, space, and bandwidth but in better support and stuff that somebody said they suck!

niv

January 20th, 2002, 18:10

Fasthosts.co.uk

You've been warned, they suck --- too.

MN-Carl

January 20th, 2002, 18:14

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
Who said unlimited anyways. Donhost said I'll get 50 gb bandwidth/month and unlimited disk space usage. He said there is very big limit of space when I asked them how much space do Iactually get and he said there is very big limit of space! Anyways anybody know something same as donhost in prices, space, and bandwidth but in better support and stuff that somebody said they suck!

OK

the data-transfer limit on donhost is 20gb

The webspace is unlimited in the sence that you cannot upload files or streaming media.

UndercoverHost

January 20th, 2002, 18:21

Like I said in first post. I Am looking for unix reseller plan which donhost offers 50gb/bandwidth on unix and 20 gb bandwidth on NT.

i will speak to few customers of donhost, and see if they are good, ok, or bad!

Thanks

MN-Carl

January 20th, 2002, 19:04

both unix and windows plans have a 20gb data-transfer limit per month.

UndercoverHost

January 20th, 2002, 19:42

Oh, come on now, Go to unix reseller plan and lok down it says 50000 mb /bandwidth per month. I even asked them through email.

Archbob

January 20th, 2002, 21:08

Check out my reseller deals at http://www.liquidweb.com

UndercoverHost

January 20th, 2002, 23:16

I dont see plan anywhere. Do u mean dedicated server or real reseller plan. If so please give me direct link to it. Thanks

NexDog

January 21st, 2002, 00:48

Also http://hostnexus.com/rs_virtual.html

You have been warned though, the support is intense and thoroughly excessive. :D

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 06:25

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
Oh, come on now, Go to unix reseller plan and lok down it says 50000 mb /bandwidth per month. I even asked them through email.

The data-transfer limit for ANY Reseller account is 20gb .. go over that you are asked to get a dedicated server.

Simple.

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 09:00

I am not looking for dedicated server at all. I am looking for reseller plan! And look here for bandwidth:

Host Unlimited Domains
Unlimited Hosting Accounts
Unlimited UNIX Web Space

Unlimited POP3 Mailboxes

Unlimited Autoresponders
Unlimited Email Addresses
Unlimited Multi Recipient Addresses
CGI Scripting in Perl & C
PHP4 Scripting
mySQL Database Server
128 Bit SSL Secure Server
Microsoft FrontPage 2000 Server Extensions
Server Side Includes
Password Protected Directories
Customised Error Pages
Sever Side PGP Encryption
WAP Server
Graphical Web Site Statistics
Web Based Control Panel
Customisable Control Panel For Your Clients
Unbranded Support Centre

Personal Server Names
Anonymous Name Servers
Whois Utility

Search Engine Submission
SPAM Filtering
Email Virus Protection

50,000MB Monthly Data Transfer
Telephone Technical Support
Online Knowledge Base
State Of The Art Data Centre
Daily Data Backups
Multiple High Capacity Connections
Instant Account Activation
30 Day Money Back Guarantee

see!!!

BTW what do ya mean I have been warned. I asked ya is there any better reseller and I guesss nobody didnt show me anything better. Anyways how bad can donhost be?

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 09:05

Originally posted by NexDog
Also http://hostnexus.com/rs_virtual.html

You have been warned though, the support is intense and thoroughly excessive. :D

Your prices are high and I hardly get any space! Look:

1 GB Disk Space
15 GB Transfer
Unlimited Domains
$44.95 per month

Is that all free domains or is that just hosted on your servers?

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 09:06

Hey is it possible in any way, to get custom reseller plan? Thanks

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 09:16

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
I am not looking for dedicated server at all. I am looking for reseller plan! And look here for bandwidth:

Host Unlimited Domains
Unlimited Hosting Accounts
Unlimited UNIX Web Space

Unlimited POP3 Mailboxes

Unlimited Autoresponders
Unlimited Email Addresses
Unlimited Multi Recipient Addresses
CGI Scripting in Perl & C
PHP4 Scripting
mySQL Database Server
128 Bit SSL Secure Server
Microsoft FrontPage 2000 Server Extensions
Server Side Includes
Password Protected Directories
Customised Error Pages
Sever Side PGP Encryption
WAP Server
Graphical Web Site Statistics
Web Based Control Panel
Customisable Control Panel For Your Clients
Unbranded Support Centre

Personal Server Names
Anonymous Name Servers
Whois Utility

Search Engine Submission
SPAM Filtering
Email Virus Protection

50,000MB Monthly Data Transfer
Telephone Technical Support
Online Knowledge Base
State Of The Art Data Centre
Daily Data Backups
Multiple High Capacity Connections
Instant Account Activation
30 Day Money Back Guarantee

see!!!

BTW what do ya mean I have been warned. I asked ya is there any better reseller and I guesss nobody didnt show me anything better. Anyways how bad can donhost be?

i've highled in bold the b/s ....

you do not get unlimited web space ...
you do not get 50000mb data-transfer per month .. you get 20gb

Bruce

January 21st, 2002, 09:24

To sum up what Cdudeuk18 said, Donhost doesn't provide what they advertise.

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 09:27

hmm, I even emailed them and he said 50 gb. Ohh well. I'll forget about them. What do ya guys think of racksharck dedicated servers? Are they good for reselling?

niv

January 21st, 2002, 09:53

It's up to you, but remember to read their Acceptable Use Policy. BTW, those prices from MCHost and HostNexus are actually the real costs of reseller plans.

Here's another one (and yes, these are actual, reasonable prices, contrary to what you may think): http://www.ecommercediscovery.com/hosting/reseller.html

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 10:20

Hayama,
Do u think rackshacks dedicated servers are good for reselling?

Bruce

January 21st, 2002, 10:30

If you can actually handle a dedicated server then RachShack would be fine.

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 10:47

What do u mean if I can handle it?

niv

January 21st, 2002, 10:50

It's not that simple, you have full control of the server. Don't blame us when you go running to rackshack's tech support if you screw up the server. :cool:

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 11:48

umm, what do u mean mess up. All they give u is control panel and nothing else. you control everything from there. They're not gonna deliver server to my house so I can mess it up!

niv

January 21st, 2002, 11:51

Fine, you can make that argument, but you'll be limited to providing the features from the software that rackshack provides, and won't be able to provide any other features without installing any packages. Everything cannot be done through a panel.

megapuzik

January 21st, 2002, 11:54

Control ?!?
you mean that if I own a dedicated server, I also have access to php.ini and to all the apache moudols (mod_layout........) :confused:

niv

January 21st, 2002, 11:55

Originally posted by megapuzik
Control ?!?
you mean that if I own a dedicated server, I also have access to php.ini and to all the apache moudols (mod_layout........) :confused:
Yes. You don't own a dedicated server, you lease one. The company that is hosting it still can, if and only if you violate the AUP and the TOS, kick you off, format the HD, and put someone else on it.

megapuzik

January 21st, 2002, 12:48

Originally posted by Hayama-kun

Yes. You don't own a dedicated server, you lease one. The company that is hosting it still can, if and only if you violate the AUP and the TOS, kick you off, format the HD, and put someone else on it.
ok, thanx !

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 12:59

Sorry Hayuma,
I didn't argue with you I was just asking you how is there to mess up. Anyways why would I touch those php.ini files anyways. I would just create, edit, and delete accounts. I mean I didnt even want to buy dedicated server I just asked was their server good. Anyways I think all hosts in this world are rotten. Some people give prices like I am Bill gates other peple givve prices like I live on the street. I dont know which one to buy now. Listening to ya guys, that means there is no good host. Hmm, anybody know any other hosts that are not high not low price and that have at least 99.5% uptime guarantee!

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 13:03

Ok

Get a server ... give someone you don't know telnet access ( ie : hacker , cracker or just a script kiddie ) - full access - .. then you'll find out ...

Seriously .. if you don't know what your doing ... you could naff it up ... but with a plesk server interface you can't so easy .. but with ensim .. its gives you access to customise web servers ... so you maybe could .... and with plesk .. when u enable ssh .. it gives everyone access to access one elses folder ...

Mind you if you got a cobalt ... thats the v. basic. ..

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 14:34

With plesk?
I dont own plesk and i bet all hosts are greedy. LOL. there is no good host that I have found yet. is there any way to believe to any host?

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 15:18

OK, I need these feature or at leat similar to it!

-30 gb bandwidth/month
-3 gb space
-99.9 % uptime guaraneed
-unlimited domains
-PHP support
-MySQL support
-Control panel for every client (user)
-$60/month

Any help would be appreciated!

Bruce

January 21st, 2002, 15:29

http://www.ecommercediscovery.com/hosting/reseller.html

The Reseller 2 plan is pretty close.

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 15:46

yea, I knew them but it says 99.5% uptime. Not 99.9% uptime. So if its 99.5% uptime how much down are they gonna be per week. you know approimately like 10 min, 20 min, 1 hr. etc.

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 15:54

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
OK, I need these feature or at leat similar to it!

-30 gb bandwidth/month
-3 gb space
-99.9 % uptime guaraneed
-unlimited domains
-PHP support
-MySQL support
-Control panel for every client (user)
-$60/month

Any help would be appreciated!

Do u need a master cp ?
How many pop3 mailboxes , auto-responders , forwarding ??
What kindof nameservers setup do u want ?
US or UK server location ??

MC Host [ http://www.mchost.com ]
Cyberwings [ http://www.cyberwings.com ]

And soon i'll be able to offer that ... however i do not offer that much webspace.
only 2gb + 60gb per month data-transfer. -also bandwidth is provided via cogent , more scripting languages & custom made cp.

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 16:05

Do u need a master cp ?
-Yes, of course!

How many pop3 mailboxes , auto-responders , forwarding ??
-100, 100, 100 and thats minnimum!

What kindof nameservers setup do u want ?
ns1.mydomain.com
ns2.mydomain.com If thats what u mean!

US or UK server location ??
I dont care. I live in US so it would be better in us, but I dont care where they are at as long as they have good plans, uptime, and stuff like that!

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 16:09

ok cdudeuk18,
the last site you gaved me (cyberwing) has everythign I need with good prices I like. Now can you tell me are they better than donhost and do they have good support, speed, uptime? Thanks

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 16:10

ok

Cyberwings has everything you need for $40 per month .. except they limit domains ... this will change once the unlimited domains licence comes out from Rackshack.

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 16:13

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
ok cdudeuk18,
the last site you gaved me (cyberwing) has everythign I need with good prices I like. Now can you tell me are they better than donhost and do they have good support, speed, uptime? Thanks

They use rackshack to rent servers.

Pretty quick ..... Good uptime .. dunno about support ..

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 16:24

umm, could u tell me about subdomains, support languages, etc. It dont have nothing on it!

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 16:37

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
umm, could u tell me about subdomains, support languages, etc. It dont have nothing on it!

with plesk it counts domains and sub domains as the same thing

Scripting support should be : perl , php , asp , ssi

Archbob

January 21st, 2002, 16:43

Actually I think there are some companies who do give you more than 50GB bandwidth. I don't see why people would go with resellers when they can go with the original company.

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 16:45

Originally posted by Archbob
Actually I think there are some companies who do give you more than 50GB bandwidth. I don't see why people would go with resellers when they can go with the original company.

Cyberwings rents servers ... so its the "original company"

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 16:56

ok, thanks cdudeuk I will just saks them few more questions and I will get their plan!

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 17:03

No problem ....

i just wish we were up and running .... we could offer you an amazing deal ...

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 17:33

would you be able to offer better than this:

-4gb space
-45gb bandwidth/monthly
-100 domains
-52$/month

?

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 17:43

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
would you be able to offer better than this:

-4gb space
-45gb bandwidth/monthly
-100 domains
-52$/month

?

OK

Our servers which we will be hosting reseller accounts on will be the following specs :

P3 1GHZ , 1 GB Ram , 2 x 36.1 GB SCSI drives [ raid 1 ]

We host 10 Reseller accounts per reseller server.
- We cannot offer more than 2 GB per reseller.

So - we cannot provide 4 GB Space

However , we also provide 60gb per month data-transfer allocation per reseller.

Every reseller can host as many domains/subdomains on your account as you like at no extra cost.

This is all for $420 per year.

There will be NO upgrades available disk space wise.

Additional data-transfer will be charged at $1.50 per GB over limit.

Scripting support : Perl , C , C++ , PHP , ASP , Python , TCL , SSI
Database : MySQL
CP : Custom built [ master cp , end user cp ]

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 17:49

2gb is really small amount of space. 2gb and say I got 20 members all members may only have 100mb space and thats only 20 members! Ohh well, for now since you cant offer more sapce and reseller plans, I'll start with cyberwing!

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 17:49

I think it maybe better you going with Cyberwings ..

It maybe a few weeks before we're online ....

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 17:55

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
2gb is really small amount of space. 2gb and say I got 20 members all members may only have 100mb space and thats only 20 members! Ohh well, for now since you cant offer more sapce and reseller plans, I'll start with cyberwing!

Well ... to be honest .. if you give your clients 100mb space each ... then to share the quota in that basis ... you'd give them 3gb data-transfer per month each also ... you could get around $10 per month for this ...

$10 x 20 = $200

Question - why do we only give 2gb per reseller and 10 resellers per server with a 36.1gb hd

Answer - We want to provide our resellers with fast servers and connections ... packing the server full of data will not do this. So we set 2gb disk quota per reseller and 10 resellers per server to do this.

IF you really need more space we could setup a dedicated server for around -

$100 setup + $84.95 per month [ Celeron 800mhz , 256mb PC133 sd ram , 20gb ide hard drive , freebsd 4.4 , perl 5.6.x , php 4.1.1 , mysql , webmin , sendmail , apache , bind dns , wu-ftpd or proFTPd. ]

With 60gb monthly data-transfer allocation + 4 IP address.

BUT like i said before .. i suggest going with cyberwing until you need more features and more data-transfer.

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 17:55

hehe, I'll send you 40gb hdd, and you take 20 and me take 20. That way you can give rest of hdd to your customers and I'll take 20 for myself!

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 17:57

BTw, when I have say 100 members is it possible to transfer them and all their data to one of your dedicated servers? Or to 2 dedicated servers?

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 17:59

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
hehe, I'll send you 40gb hdd, and you take 20 and me take 20. That way you can give rest of hdd to your customers and I'll take 20 for myself!

Thanks :rolleyes:

We currently only use SCSI drives in our own servers.

As for your offer , all servers we will setup will come with hardware owned by us.

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 18:00

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
BTw, when I have say 100 members is it possible to transfer them and all their data to one of your dedicated servers? Or to 2 dedicated servers?

Well ... its possible .. but that would be a very hard proccess.

How much data ( in MB s ) are will talking about ??

awrobert

January 21st, 2002, 18:01

i was a reseller of donhost back when i owned XCSAR Networks its not worth messing around with them they charged my cc for 3 months after i canceled the account 3 days in to the first month of the new three months when i contacted them and asked why they charged my card they said they never got the cancel email so i tryed to get them to refund the money for atleast 2 of the months that would not be used they told me i would have to take them to court. my cc could not do a charge back becuase of it being a company in another country. so stay away from donhost.

Robert

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 18:02

Originally posted by awrobert
i was a reseller of donhost back when i owned XCSAR Networks its not worth messing around with them they charged my cc for 3 months after i canceled the account 3 days in to the first month of the new three months when i contacted them and asked why they charged my card they said they never got the cancel email so i tryed to get them to refund the money for atleast 2 of the months that would not be used they told me i would have to take them to court. my cc could not do a charge back becuase of it being a company in another country. so stay away from donhost.

Robert

Explain what relevence this has on the thread ?

NexDog

January 21st, 2002, 18:05

Hi,

We can offer discounts if you pay yearly or customize a plan. We just set up a cutomer with 1 GB disk/12GB transfer for $250/yr. A remarkable deal really.

If you want more bandwidth and space, we can work something out. How about:

3GB space
40 GB bandwidth
Unlimited Domains

$600/yr or $75/mo

Plus no-one else will support your clients 100%. Thtat's right, you will have access to a support center that you can brand your own and has an online manual, FAQ, trouble ticket system (we monitor), server status and more. You concentrate on sales and we do the rest.

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 18:09

NexDog 3gb of space is not alot either for that money. bandwidth is ok, but for now I'll stick with cyberwing since they offer best plans I have found yet.

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 18:15

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
NexDog 3gb of space is not alot either for that money. bandwidth is ok, but for now I'll stick with cyberwing since they offer best plans I have found yet.

Yup stick with Cyber Wings ..

As for my web server offer to you ::

I would recommend this if you get more than 50 Clients ... as a reseller account is really not for you then.

This server would have around 200 - 300 accounts hosted on it with no problems at all.

AS for the data-transfer / bandwidth limits , here they are ::

60GB per month is included free - additional data-transfer charged at $1.50 per GB over limit
Max Bandwidth your box can get is 10mbps - so possible 3600GB per month @ 100%

OH yeh .. here is the cp

http://www.webmin.com

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 18:24

well, I'll let you know if I ever need your dedicated server! and yeah 1.50 per 1gb of bandwidth is not alot of money since donhsot charges 15 uk pounds for 1 gb of bandwidth. you got good plans which I may probably switch later if I get lot of members! Thanks for cyberwing.com website. :)

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 18:29

Originally posted by UndercoverHost
well, I'll let you know if I ever need your dedicated server! and yeah 1.50 per 1gb of bandwidth is not alot of money since donhsot charges 15 uk pounds for 1 gb of bandwidth. you got good plans which I may probably switch later if I get lot of members! Thanks for cyberwing.com website. :)

Yes we have got plans ... and the reason data-transfer is so cheap is because we get bandwidth from Cogent - and alot of it.

we charge approx. £1.20 per GB

Cyberwings charge $4 per GB per month i think :confused2

but good luck anyway

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 18:46

BTW do u need SSL Hosting ???

Were planning to setup a dedicated ssl server for members for free w/ a 128bit SSL certificate.

Shared SSL that is ;)

NexDog

January 21st, 2002, 19:02

Cyberwings are down....lol.

As I can't get to their site, I don't know exactly what they offer. Disk space is reasonably cheap but you want 4 GB? How many clients do you have at the moment? Much better to start off small and work your way up.

Are you ready to give your clients first rate support? Are you ready to support them 100%? Most resellers aren't so that's why we support a reseller's clients anonymously.

cdudeuk18 is talking about services he doesn't even have so he isn't being that constructive as you need a plan now. It's great that he directed you to cyberwings and if they have all you need, even better!

Remember, having a cheap plan isn't the be-all and end-all of providing a good service. BTW our servers are housed at RackSpace. You want good connectivity, just look at their site. They are one of the best (and most expensive) data centers for a reason.

I wish you luck in your search but I wish you'd come to our site and get me on the chat to see if we could work something out.

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 19:06

Originally posted by NexDog
Cyberwings are down....lol.

As I can't get to their site, I don't know exactly what they offer. Disk space is reasonably cheap but you want 4 GB? How many clients do you have at the moment? Much better to start off small and work your way up.

Are you ready to give your clients first rate support? Are you ready to support them 100%? Most resellers aren't so that's why we support a reseller's clients anonymously.

cdudeuk18 is talking about services he doesn't even have so he isn't being that constructive as you need a plan now. It's great that he directed you to cyberwings and if they have all you need, even better!

Remember, having a cheap plan isn't the be-all and end-all of providing a good service. BTW our servers are housed at RackSpace. You want good connectivity, just look at their site. They are one of the best (and most expensive) data centers for a reason.

I wish you luck in your search but I wish you'd come to our site and get me on the chat to see if we could work something out.

I noticed their site was down .. erm ... yes .. cyberwings offer what he wants though.

Actually if you must know the servers / connection are up and running .. but we have more servers to add .. and company to setup .. staff to hire .. site to design ... cp to install ... payment system to setup ... install phone lines .. install business dsl line .. get nominet account .. get gTLD account setup ... also get ripe account so we can get our own IPs .. also price up adding another 1000Mbit ethernet connection ...

ADD >> our servers are located in our own noc.

NexDog

January 21st, 2002, 19:30

Wow, seems like you're busy. And your own DC, nice! Best of luck with that. We are always looking for good opportunities. Maybe interested to see what you offer............

MN-Carl

January 21st, 2002, 19:35

Originally posted by NexDog
Wow, seems like you're busy. And your own DC, nice! Best of luck with that. We are always looking for good opportunities. Maybe interested to see what you offer............

How do u mean ??

And yes very busy right now .. adding features to cp ..

Can i contact you via icq or that chat bit on your site .. cos i think that maybe better than a public forum

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 20:07

btw, cyberwings now offers to just upgrade to better plan, that way it can save money!:)

UndercoverHost

January 21st, 2002, 20:12

nexdog, like I said, I like your plans, but prices are too high. I am not 100% sure I will even get alot of customer! I mean if you offered something like this: 4 gb space, 40 gb bandwidth, and at least 30 domains, and under 60 dollars per month then prices would be fair. I have to look into good prices, support, plans, bandwidth, space, and everything else. You got everything except prices! I know its just cause you offer quality hosting, but still too much for me as I dont know if I will have lot of members!