splash page.. comments

[gazal]

i finnaly got my own domain.. and i re did my splash page.. any comments thanx :)
http://www.gazaldesigns.com

[wm2k1]

cool!!!
awesome graphics

[Giancarlo]

Nice... you a graphic designer?

[gazal]

thanx :)

[Ben]

Sweet splash :D

[Archbob]

Great splash! But splash is always confusing for me though, I can never get used to the text.

By the ways, I love the phpBB2 forums, can honestly it looks more slick than vbulletin.

[gazal]

hey thanx.. for the comments :)
i know the text is just bearly readable. I used one of those unreadable fonts..lol

[Kaliber]

Very nice and clean, perhaps you should change the background color to white?

[gazal]

Thanx mind rash i made the bg colour pale white an it looks much better.. :)

[Kaliber]

wow, that looks much better!!

[meow]

Nooooo! Aren't you the one who had the lovely green picture on your front page? :eek:

Not that this doesn't look good, but I loved that picture. ;)

[NexDog]

Hey,

Your phpBB2 is great! Splashpage too!

[gazal]

NexDog.. thanx :)
Meow.. sorry the green girl had to go :( ..lol
thx for the comment btw

I've made this one.. what do u think?
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gazal/scat.jpg

[Kaliber]

wow, thats stunning man!

[meow]

NOOOOO! buuhuuhuuuuuuuuu! :crysad: :crysad: :crysad: :crysad: :crysad:

[mistajon]

Not too bad.. nice!

[cycle]

I found it to be somewhat confusing and it took a while to load..

[xris]

your photoshop skills or whatever you use for raster graphic seems decent. BUT making just a random shape with 3ds max and slapping it over on some photoshop stuff is not something you wanna call *skill*.
that 3d shape used in your splash page is obviously a random render in 3ds max or some other 3d program. All you had to do was
1. make a cube or whatever basic shape 3ds max automatically creates for you
2. add noise, twist, and all that random stuff
3. increase viewport so you get that nice ever so "trendy" abstract look
4. render
5. take it into photoshop

That technique is very old and almost everyone knows it, even newbies.

and your scat.jpg , I really doubt you rendered that face of female. why?
1. if your 3d skills was good enough to render that face, you WOULD have never used that blue/green abstract 3d shape for your splash page. any decent artist knows that's lame and old.
2. the manipulation you did with the face is not very impressive.
Again, it looks like You just overlayed or colordodged that face with some render 3d shape you made.

using a lame 3d technique is OK
however, ripping ( using someone else's graphic, copyrighted or not, and posing it as if you made the whole thing by yourself) it not OK

[gazal]

EXCUESS ME!!!! U have totally pis**ed me off..

First... RIP? that intired image was done by ME!! i did not RIP anyone work.. So before you go and say something stupid thing like RIP check your "SOURCE"

The only image that was not my was the picture of the girl it comes form "vogue mags" i scan it in.."

IF the tenigues is old good who cares.. I think i did a really good job consider i never BEEN, WENT, to graphics school, or touch any art in my life...

[gazal]

Oh BTW here is the the image that you call "RIP"..

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gazal/mess1.jpg
This is an "ORIGNAL" image that i made in 3ds.. See if you can pin point where i crop the image to the that blue/green thing on the right hand side of my splash..

Need me to send your the "ORIGINAL" 3ds file as well??!!

[Kaliber]

Originally posted by xris
your photoshop skills or whatever you use for raster graphic seems decent. BUT making just a random shape with 3ds max and slapping it over on some photoshop stuff is not something you wanna call *skill*.
that 3d shape used in your splash page is obviously a random render in 3ds max or some other 3d program. All you had to do was
1. make a cube or whatever basic shape 3ds max automatically creates for you
2. add noise, twist, and all that random stuff
3. increase viewport so you get that nice ever so "trendy" abstract look
4. render
5. take it into photoshop

That technique is very old and almost everyone knows it, even newbies.

and your scat.jpg , I really doubt you rendered that face of female. why?
1. if your 3d skills was good enough to render that face, you WOULD have never used that blue/green abstract 3d shape for your splash page. any decent artist knows that's lame and old.
2. the manipulation you did with the face is not very impressive.
Again, it looks like You just overlayed or colordodged that face with some render 3d shape you made.

using a lame 3d technique is OK
however, ripping ( using someone else's graphic, copyrighted or not, and posing it as if you made the whole thing by yourself) it not OK Go F*ck yourself, not everyone is 'mr graphic'!

You might be but stop insulting members that is giving it a go.

Have you got any of your own artwork for us to see? Let me critique that!

[meow]

Whoah! :eek:

[anhedonia]

Didn't you know? Xris is a legend at everything. Rich, too, I hear. :rolleyes:

In other words: LAMER!!!

[Blank Verse]

...well put...

[gazal]

heheh :D does he always post crap?

[Blank Verse]

Well, I don't know...is there a difference between posting crap and just not posting anything useful?

[meow]

Absolutely! I'm rich AND handsome and don't post crap! I'm different! :D

[xris]

gazal, looks like you were too pissed to read my post with proper sense.

first of all, I never said your abstract 3d model is a rip. re-read my post slowly and with lower heart rate if you have any doubt.


The only image that was not my was the picture of the girl it comes form "vogue mags" i scan it in.."

that is what I was talking about. You DID NOT make the picture of the girl, and you didn't give it or its author any credit when you posted it in this forum



I've made this one.. what do u think?
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gazal/scat.jpg

that kind of action is called RIP in graphics community, I am pretty sure you are well aware of that already.



I think i did a really good job consider i never BEEN, WENT, to graphics school, or touch any art in my life...

You don't need to go to a grahpics school or do any art to
1. download warez version of 3ds max
2. copy tutorial

Besides, a LARGE percentage of top graphics artists is people who have never went to a graphic-related school. many of them aren't even old enough to go to college.



Oh BTW here is the the image that you call "RIP"..

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gazal/mess1.jpg
This is an "ORIGNAL" image that i made in 3ds.. See if you can pin point where i crop the image to the that blue/green thing on the right hand side of my splash..

I never called that RIP. post a quote from my post if you can.
Looking at that, my guess on the tutorial you used is almost exact. can you deny it?

so everything I said in my previous post is true. so what's the problem here?

[xris]

btw, I am not despising you for copying a lame tutorial, but for RIPPING.

if you had posted that rip in any respected graphic community, such as deviantart.com or deskmod.com, they would have ripped you a new anus and ban you 4ever, if you were caught that is.

[Kaliber]

Do you ever get the feeling your not wanted here?


Besides, a LARGE percentage of top graphics artists is people who have never went to a graphic-related school. many of them aren't even old enough to go to college.

A bit like you, your prolly just some 13 year old pimple face squid who needs a life. Computers are your only option because you have been rejected. :rolleyes:

Dr MindRash's Advice:
Go get a life:confused:, don't come back here. If you do for any reason next time bring us some of your work to critique, im sure I would have a fun time doing that.

Anyway,
Cya

[xris]

mindrash. was that out of jealousy?
I happen to have decent knoweldge in computer graphics. does that make me a nerd with no life?

lets compare you and I's profiles.

Me: Total Posts: 19 (0.79 posts per day

You: Total Posts: 516 (3.79 posts per day)

Yes I admit my posts are pretty flaming and mean.

[gazal]

HELLOOOOO, did you ever hear me "Say" Or "Sing" i "Model the girl??!!

And do you think that most GFX artist model their pictures of girls or guys when they use them for the gfx??!!

[gazal]

By the way what tutorial are you talking about??!!!! the 3ds tut? like i said... want me to post screen shots of the "ORIGNAL" images that i did in 3ds??!!!

Oh Try to find the tutorials on that 3ds if ya can.. i bet ya you won't..

[xris]

to Chips,
No, I am not rich. but my parents are knowledgeable enough to understand my interest in creating websites/graphics and help me out (let me use their credit card). And no, I am not a pimple faced 13 year old. I am 17. Just like most of you, my parents did not let me use their credit card to buy intangible things online until I had turned 16. But I had enough sense to chip out a few bucks from my monthly allowance and pay for webhosting/domain with money order. Skipping a few lunches wasn't too hard.

[gazal]

You wrote!

btw, I am not despising you for copying a lame tutorial, but for RIPPING.

if you had posted that rip in any respected graphic community, such as deviantart.com or deskmod.com, they would have ripped you a new anus and ban you 4ever, if you were caught that is.


Fine i will submit that splash page to deviantart, and ask them if it's a rip, i'm not scared.. why? cause i didn't rip anything besides using a stock photo.

[xris]

HELLOOOOO, did you ever hear me "Say" Or "Sing" i "Model the girl??!!

You didn't, but you said you made the picture. most people would assume you made the entire pic.
Besides, using someone else's work and not giving credit is also called RIP.

[qoute]And do you think that most GFX artist model their pictures of girls or guys when they use them for the gfx??!!
[/quote]
yes, plenty of them do. 95% of skilled ones do. when they don't, they give proper credit and quote the source. try browsing through www.deviantart.com and www.deskmod.com


By the way what tutorial are you talking about??!!!! the 3ds tut? like i said... want me to post screen shots of the "ORIGNAL" images that i did in 3ds??!!!

Oh Try to find the tutorials on that 3ds if ya can.. i bet ya you won't..

You still don't get it do you. I do not care about the original image you did in 3ds. I never said you didn't make the damn thing. Yes, I am pretty sure you made the damn thing with your own hands.

I said YOU COPIED A WIDELY KNOWN LAME TUTORIAL which is also called "trendy 3d spikes or abstract exploding polygons".
I already stated the tutorial you used

1. make a cube or whatever basic shape 3ds max automatically creates for you
2. add noise, twist, and all that random stuff
3. increase viewport so you get that nice ever so "trendy" abstract look
4. render
5. take it into photoshop
Of friggin course, that is not the exact tutorial you used. but that is the basic summary on making "trendy 3d spikes"

trendy 3d spikes is so friggin lame and old now that it is the FIRST thing most 3d newbies learn. Plus, almost every friggin 3d graphics forum is filled with newbies asking questions like "how do I make these 3d spikes" "how to make cool abstract shapes?"

[gazal]

Only dumb people like you assume that i made the entire image. Anyone would of know that is a live picture and not a model..


Copy a widely know tut? You can not copy other people skills you "Learn form it" so using the word copy is "WRONG"

i'm not sayin anymore.. i know what i did, and if you don't like my art you can shoved it where it hurts.. That and your parents "CREDIT CARD"..

And if the trendy spikes are old then why do people at those art community still using it "

IF only u where in Australia
:devious2:

To all FWS members except Xris, please excuess my temper.. I can't stand it when so idoit think he is the best.

[xris]

[qoute]
Fine i will submit that splash page to deviantart, and ask them if it's a rip, i'm not scared.. why? cause i didn't rip anything besides using a stock photo
[/quote]
CAN YOU READ CHILD?
when did i say your splash page is rip?
i said your scat.jpg is RIP because you used a picture from Vogue mag and didn't give it any credit or acknowledgement AT the time you posted it.


I've made this one.. what do u think?
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gazal/scat.jpg

Yes you did admit to using a picture from Vogue mazagine but only because I accused you of ripping and you wanted to defend yourself, which didn't help you much.


The only image that was not my was the picture of the girl it comes form "vogue mags" i scan it in.."



didn't rip anything besides using a stock photo

uh..... all photos and articles in Vogue Magazine are COPYRIGHTED. it's illegal to just scan their photos and use them in your own graphic.



Only dumb people like you assume that i made the entire image. Anyone would of know that is a live picture and not a model..

Yes, some people would have known that it is a live picture and not a computer generated picture. but what does that have to do with knowing if you made the entire picture or not? maybe you took the photo yourself with your own camera.



And if the trendy spikes are old then why do people at those art community still using it "

maybe because it is still useable??? hmmm??????

hmmmmm..... my friend's car is old, why is he still driving it?

[anhedonia]

Having a little tantrum, xris? Why can't we express our negative opinions towards you if you can do the same to us?

You're still a lamer... :rolleyes:

[anhedonia]

Oh, who cares if he used an image from a magazine in his art? For God's sake, stop being such a petty little fool.

[xris]

I am not here to argue with you Chips.

I was just trying to beat some sense into Gazal who is obviously a misinformed prepubescent kid with very bad grammar and spelling.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by xris
I was just trying to beat some sense into Gazal who is obviously a misinformed prepubescent kid with very bad grammar and spelling.

How bizarre, that's what most people say about you here.

[Blank Verse]

Who'd you have to ---- to get the authority to "beat the sense into people"? If you're going to "critique" people, do it with respect...I assume you'd want the same offered to you. How he makes his graphics is not up to you to decide. If you don't like it fine, but show some courtesy.

[Kaliber]

Originally posted by xris
Yes I admit my posts are pretty flaming and mean.
Thankyou, now he has admited it please go away and don't come back.

[Todd]

Tone it down or I'll have to lock this thread.

Just keep it civil without personal attacks and the discussion may go on.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Todd
Tone it down or I'll have to lock this thread.

Just keep it civil without personal attacks and the discussion may go on.

You have to admit, xris was being rude...

He kind of deserves what everyone's said about him...

:eek:
Ahh, don't lock the thread! :cry2:

[gazal]

This is my last and final statment to Xris. I've calm down abit and here is what i think

1. There are so many ways i could prove you worng, and if i keep going you will just post more crap. I know what you want and i anit giving it to you.

2. You worte!
yes, plenty of them do. 95% of skilled ones do. when they don't, they give proper credit and quote the source. try browsing through.

To my knowldge you are wrong, I have seen so many abstract images at deviantart that do not give proper credit, all i see is. something like this " I made this today and what do you guys think" or i was "bored and came up with this" where is the credit.

3. What pi**ed me off even more is you keep posting something like this
you wrote
* I said YOU COPIED A WIDELY KNOWN LAME TUTORIAL which is also called "trendy 3d spikes or abstract exploding polygons".
I already stated the tutorial you used. Or "widely know old"

* I never called that RIP. post a quote from my post if you can.
Looking at that, my guess on the tutorial you used is almost exact. can you deny it?

and there are more of it. so i'll stop those quotes here. Of course i can deny it. IF you are good with gfx, you should know that everyone has different styles, you can never copy anything exactly, u may get it as close as possible but never exact!

4. You worte!
* trendy 3d spikes is so friggin lame and old now that it is the FIRST thing most 3d newbies learn. Plus, almost every friggin 3d graphics forum is filled with newbies asking questions like "how do I make these 3d spikes" "how to make cool abstract shapes?"

* i worte!
And if the trendy spikes are old then why do people at those art community still using it "

*You wrote
maybe because it is still useable??? hmmm??????

hmmmmm..... my friend's car is old, why is he still driving it?

It doesn't make any sense. If it was still useable why are you calling old and lame??!! are you just trying to pi**ed people off??!! ( i think so)

5. CAN YOU READ CHILD?
when did i say your splash page is rip?
i said your scat.jpg is RIP because you used a picture from Vogue mag and didn't give it any credit or acknowledgement AT the time you posted it.

* i'm old enough to be your father!
And that's, that

Here is a few tips i think you should carefully read, study, or what ever make you remeber it, and never forget it.!

1. Before you go and post comments on people work, regardless of how good or bad it is, you should carefully think before you post, this goes for life in general as well.

2. People uses these board to get ideas and opinion on their work, they do not want to be put down by people like you. They come here to get motivated, and it will only take someone like you to make them think "Oh i'm not good enough". And that goes for life in general as well. ( You really need to grow up)

3. I have search this board looking for your post, and what i can see is that all you posts are full of it. Once again if you dont have anything nice or reasonable to say don't say it. You seems to be putting alot of people down with your posts, this is a community place not a place where you destroy people movtivation, opinions, work and what have you. If you want to do that do it in your own place. Haven't your parents ever teach you manners?

Final note.
I did not come here to tell the whole FWS that i have gfx skills or show it off, i came here to ask for opinions, and that's what people are here for. And neither was i looking for credit for my work.

[Chicken]

gazal, relax and don't worry about it. The quote below isn't a review, it is called trolling. Ignore it, and next time just report it and we'll remove it.

xris, I'm going to waste the next 10 minutes of my life searching your posts. If they are similar to the 'review' below, are just flames, trolling, etc., they will be removed.


Originally posted by xris
your photoshop skills or whatever you use for raster graphic seems decent. BUT making just a random shape with 3ds max and slapping it over on some photoshop stuff is not something you wanna call *skill*.
that 3d shape used in your splash page is obviously a random render in 3ds max or some other 3d program. All you had to do was
1. make a cube or whatever basic shape 3ds max automatically creates for you
2. add noise, twist, and all that random stuff
3. increase viewport so you get that nice ever so "trendy" abstract look
4. render
5. take it into photoshop

That technique is very old and almost everyone knows it, even newbies.

and your scat.jpg , I really doubt you rendered that face of female. why?
1. if your 3d skills was good enough to render that face, you WOULD have never used that blue/green abstract 3d shape for your splash page. any decent artist knows that's lame and old.
2. the manipulation you did with the face is not very impressive.
Again, it looks like You just overlayed or colordodged that face with some render 3d shape you made.

using a lame 3d technique is OK
however, ripping ( using someone else's graphic, copyrighted or not, and posing it as if you made the whole thing by yourself) it not OK

[Kaliber]

Thank you chicken, perhaps xris should be a little more positive. I believe what gazal was looking for was 'Constructive Critism', critism is ok but not what you said, you were just ripping threads off him.

xris: What is your site? I would very much like to review it for you!

[Chicken]

It seems this is the only thread, which is good. Point is, I've seen some *very* minimalistic web site designs and although I could have done it, something with the way they did it and how it all goes together made it nice. It doesn't have to be groundbreaking for it to have positive features, and you don't have to insult when giving your opinion.

If it was extremely terrible (I've seen a few sites I've chosen not to comment on because I honestly couldn't think of anything nice to say), then a bit of harsh criticism might be unavoidable, otherwise, just try to be respectful please.

[gazal]

Originally posted by Chicken

If it was extremely terrible (I've seen a few sites I've chosen not to comment on because I honestly couldn't think of anything nice to say), then a bit of harsh criticism might be unavoidable, otherwise, just try to be respectful please.

Chicken, your the man! that is excatly what i'm talking about. of course a bit of hard criticism might be unavoiable, u need them to learn form it. But you don't have to say "i don't think u can call that skills" or what ever he said.

[xris]

The reasons why I was rude and mean to Gazal is the fact that he used a copyrighted photo (from Vogue Mazagine) to enhance his own graphic. This would have been OK if he had said "btw, I got the picture of the girl from Vogue mags" or something like that *at the time he first posted it *. Did he do that? nope. Later on he proudly displayed his blatant stupidity by argueing that there is nothing wrong with using "stock photos". Gazal, your definition of "stock photo" is WRONG.


* i'm old enough to be your father!
And that's, that

You have not been able to prove it yet.

Yes I was mean and rude, I admit that once again. But at least I've been able to keep most of my arguments, criticism, and attacks directed to gazal ACCURATE, REASONED, and SENSIBLE, as opposed to gazal.
Gazal, I really don't want to offend you anymore but...
You should think more before you post. Learn how to backup your arguments better and counter attacks made toward you.

This goes to the rest of you:
I do not mind you supporting gazal and flaming me.
I guess it is natural for the general public to support the weaker side, no matter how bad of a crime or crimes he and she had done. Kind of reminds me of the John Walker case.

Anyhow, I am done with this thread.
I've had my fair share of flaming. been fun.

[Chicken]

Originally posted by xris
The reasons why I was rude and mean to Gazal is the fact that he used a copyrighted photo (from Vogue Mazagine) to enhance his own graphic.
You assumed this, you didn't ask. It could have been a picture of his sister or friend. You happened to be right, but that doesn't excuse your behavior. I get the feeling none of this is sinking in.

Yes I was mean and rude, I admit that once again.
No one cares if you admit the obvious. Apologize for it.

This goes to the rest of you:
I do not mind you supporting gazal and flaming me.
I guess it is natural for the general public to support the weaker side...
The public supports the one who isn't being abusive. That wouldn't be you. Sorry, and you thought everyone would say, "Great job of being an donkey! Way to go!" :rolleyes:

I've had my fair share of flaming. been fun.
Let me be clear and to the point, so there are no misunderstandings. Post flames elsewhere. If you continue to do it here, you'll be banned from the forums. It isn't what we want (obvisouly being a discussion forum, the point isn't to ban people), but you'll have to make that choice.