Heck, rate my site.

[NerdWarrior]

http://www.apartment210.now.nu/
Vote on the poll and post any additional comments.

[Giancarlo]

My official review:

- Very bad graphics
- Overall no real design
- Sloppy look
- Horrible Comic graphic

Content: 3.3 out of 10
Graphics: 1.2 out of 10
Style/Layout: 1.5 out of 10

Overall: 2 out of 10 (20%)

[NerdWarrior]

GAHHHHH!!!! ITS A SPRITE COMIC! MAY THE SEVEN GREAT SPRITE COMICS OF ALL TIME CURSE YOU!!!!

[trenzterra]

Graphics not really great
Layout pretty plain
Shows an error on page

Overall 5/10 sorry...

[NerdWarrior]

Graphics=sprites
Error=being tracked as we type
overall no design=well, its a comic???

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by NerdWarrior
GAHHHHH!!!! ITS A SPRITE COMIC! MAY THE SEVEN GREAT SPRITE COMICS OF ALL TIME CURSE YOU!!!! but it was YOU who wanted us to rate it so you should accept bad comments.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by NerdWarrior
GAHHHHH!!!! ITS A SPRITE COMIC! MAY THE SEVEN GREAT SPRITE COMICS OF ALL TIME CURSE YOU!!!!

Look, I am here to rate sites... and my system is not easy. You have to get a real site to get a decent score. If you can't take any criticism then don't ask.

[NerdWarrior]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
My official review:

- Very bad graphics
- Overall no real design
- Sloppy look
- Horrible Comic graphic

Content: 3.3 out of 10
Graphics: 1.2 out of 10
Style/Layout: 1.5 out of 10

Overall: 2 out of 10 (20%)
pfft, like I really care. i actually have fans that Im me asking when the next comic will be posted.

[wm2k1]

if u can't take any negative feedback ... y ask for a review at all?

i agree w/ the review posted up so far, you have a lot of work ahead of u

[NerdWarrior]

Like I said, i don't care. My target audience doesn't give a **** about the design ya know. I was just wondering.

[wm2k1]

then imagine how many more visitors you would get then if your site look better and there weren't any javascript errors

[NerdWarrior]

The js error is not my fault. Its some other thing I have on my page. mayhaps nedstat.

[R. K. Raja]

There is no real design except a bunch of ugly colors and huge sprites. :(

What's the point of asking for a review on the design if there is none to begin with and you can't take negative criticism?

Argh, if you can't handle that I don't know how you're gonna survive out in the real world...


Just my 2 cents.

[conkermaniac]

Yes, the sprites are the actual creatures. I can understand their blockiness a LITTLE bit. However, couldn't you just downsize everything and leave a much better look. And btw, I have never seen any idiot even ATTEMPT to create a comic in Microsoft Paint. Those graphics suck. The alignment is pathetic and unprofessional, not to mention that you clearly show your lack of ability at using HTML appropriately from the stuff under the comics. The individual pages almost have no formatting, and looks worse than the essays I type in Microsoft Word. If you're new to designing websites, you have to learn to accept criticism and improve yourself. But if you can't do that, BY NO MEANS COME TO FREEWEBSPACE.NET ASKING FOR A REVIEW.

Overall: 7%

[roly]

Your site sucks! All the comics and buttons are made in Paint and you even stole images from Nintendo. I'd rate it 0.00%

I am ROTFLMAO

[Blank Verse]

Not to mention you ripped off Monty Python

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by roly
Your site sucks! All the comics and buttons are made in Paint and you even stole images from Nintendo. I'd rate it 0.00%

I am ROTFLMAO

:D

Can I lower my rating? I think it was inapproriate.

[roly]

Yes you can lower it

[Giancarlo]

Hehe... I took a second look at the site and the rating I gave was too high. I will give this one last suggestion: Change the design completely. When the rating is below 40% in my system the site has no chance.

[cheatpark]

ok so his site ain't good but you shouldn't be rude to him. If its his first site then what do you expect. I am inferring that this is his first site. Correct me if I am wrong. I think your site needs a total redesign. If you want advice then I am willing to give you some but then if you aren't going to take it in then what is the point?

[Jan]

:whatthe: :eek:

No further comment....

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark
ok so his site ain't good but you shouldn't be rude to him. If its his first site then what do you expect. I am inferring that this is his first site. Correct me if I am wrong. I think your site needs a total redesign. If you want advice then I am willing to give you some but then if you aren't going to take it in then what is the point?

He was being rude to me when I was giving my advice.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


He was being rude to me when I was giving my advice.
I think you made your review sound a bit rude too. I know it wasn't intended in that way but it looks like he took it as if it was being rude to him.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark

I think you made your review sound a bit rude too. I know it wasn't intended in that way but it looks like he took it as if it was being rude to him.

I suggest a complete redesign like you did. :rolleyes:

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I suggest a complete redesign like you did. :rolleyes:
Maybe it was the vocabulary you used. Things like sloppy and stuff.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark

Maybe it was the vocabulary you used. Things like sloppy and stuff.

WAIT A MINUTE... there is a reason why I revamped my rating system and that is to tell the truth. Sometimes the truth can hurt, but it should be said.

[Jan]

He obviously thinks his site looks great as we all did when we started out, but those images and the text are very hard on the eyes. I hate to think how they look on a larger resolution :eek:

I sometimes wonder why people submit their sites for review. Very few can handle constructive criticism.

I wouldn't let my site site be reviewed here :p But I don't need to, it is popular so I don't need a review to get page hits ;)

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


WAIT A MINUTE... there is a reason why I revamped my rating system and that is to tell the truth. Sometimes the truth can hurt, but it should be said.

Exactly. The truth hurts. But it's absolutely necessary for people to improve. I use strong language myself, and I don't pay attention to people who retort back at me. When your teacher gives you a D, it's a D. You have to accept it. No matter how much you whine, the D stays a D.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by conkermaniac


Exactly. The truth hurts. But it's absolutely necessary for people to improve. I use strong language myself, and I don't pay attention to people who retort back at me. When your teacher gives you a D, it's a D. You have to accept it. No matter how much you whine, the D stays a D.

Mistakes don't become errors if you fix them. That is an old Chinese Proverb I know of... I suggest fix your mistakes before they become errors.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


WAIT A MINUTE... there is a reason why I revamped my rating system and that is to tell the truth. Sometimes the truth can hurt, but it should be said.
True. I suppose the reason I ask people here to review my site is because it ain't that bad. If I knew it was bad I probably wouldn't ask people to review it.

[dscikate]

i think your site is ok for a beginner everyone starts out pretty much not knowing all you need to do is to get a html editor and a image editor and keep making your site and it will only get better
i give your site a beginners rating of 3 out of 5 which is 60% for beginners so it's good your top image nav is kewl you really thought about it when you where doing that but you need to get better at style of the site some pages are really bad.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by dscikate
i think your site is ok for a beginner everyone starts out pretty much not knowing all you need to do is to get a html editor and a image editor and keep making your site and it will only get better
i give your site a beginners rating of 3 out of 5 which is 60% for beginners so it's good your top image nav is kewl you really thought about it when you where doing that but you need to get better at style of the site some pages are really bad.
I like that sort of reviewing system. You put someones site into a category and then you give them a score depending on the category they are in.

[Giancarlo]

I probably will readjust my scoring a bit for beginning sites.... but if the site is really poor I won't.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I probably will readjust my scoring a bit for beginning sites.... but if the site is really poor I won't.
In your reviewing system you should also put the type of category it would be put into. Like beginner site or expert site. Just a suggestion.

[conkermaniac]

Unfortunately, that idea likely won't work. If a professional webmaster designs a site and you group it into the "Beginners" category, you would be insulting them. That would only cause conflicts. I review sites all the same way; it's the USER's job to judge whether that score is good or not for their situation.

I don't think it's fair that this site could get a 70 something (using that "beginner" criteria you guys mentioned), while R K Raja's site, which is 20x better, only gets a 95. I would have to give him a 1400% to make it fair. That's the problem with reviewing sites. :)

[wm2k1]

no ... that is not the real problem of reviewing sites
some people just can't handle some negative feedbacks
they always say that all their friends and family like it
and they don't care what u have to say about it
in order to improve their site
the younger the person ... the less they could handle
other people's comments

the purpose of a site review is getting comments to improve the site, so what is the point for those people to ask us to review them and don't listen to any ideas?

giving them a false rating such as 70 or 90 just because they are beginner is not right, when they should be 5 or 9
it won't help them either
they would assume their site is awesome and don't need to work much on it

[Blank Verse]

I personally would want someone to review my site as strict as possible, so you could constantly improve the site until it look snicer than the person who's giving the review's site is :D

[NerdWarrior]

All this bickering about my site? Geez. Well, like I said, I don't give a **** about what you say. A fellow sprite cartoonist said he liked my menu icons. I know I have to fix the colors. I'll get around to it. I know nedstat is messing up.

[R. K. Raja]

Originally posted by NerdWarrior
All this bickering about my site? Geez. Well, like I said, I don't give a **** about what you say. A fellow sprite cartoonist said he liked my menu icons. I know I have to fix the colors. I'll get around to it. I know nedstat is messing up.


Also consider using a different program for graphics. They look messed up and unclear.

[NerdWarrior]

Originally posted by R. K. Raja



Also consider using a different program for graphics. They look messed up and unclear.
What would you suggest? I screwed up the first comic, sure. The menu looks fine. So do the cast sprites.

[R. K. Raja]

Originally posted by NerdWarrior

What would you suggest? I screwed up the first comic, sure. The menu looks fine. So do the cast sprites.


Anything other than Paint will do :D

[NerdWarrior]

Originally posted by R. K. Raja



Anything other than Paint will do :D
That's not exactly what I asked about. First, it's just a statement of the obvious. Second, there are worse things than paint out there. Third, I'm too broke to pay for something good.

[conkermaniac]

Well, download a free trial version of a professional program. At least it's still better than Paint. And yes, Paint is the worst graphics designer out there.

[R. K. Raja]

Originally posted by conkermaniac
Well, download a free trial version of a professional program. At least it's still better than Paint. And yes, Paint is the worst graphics designer out there.


Yep.

This may sound silly but about half of the graphics I do are done in MS Paint or with the help of it. I just use Photoshop to enhance, layering, special effects, and saving :D

Paint is easy for simple stuff

[NerdWarrior]

*thinks*
I have the light version of Photoshop. Would that do?

[cheatpark]

Nerdwarrior go to http://www.serif.com and download photoplus 5. Its a free program and I use it for my site.

[NerdWarrior]

PhotoPlus=no good for me.
Sure, It's a good program, it just doesn't have the features I need. I can't use "Paste From" for example.

[cheatpark]

You can paste things into it. I have. I don't think you know how to do it properly.

[NerdWarrior]

I don't think you get it. Of course I can paste, but not in the way I want. I can't just paste a file. I can't resize my paste afterward. I can't paste w/ a transparent background (if I could, it wouldn't matter.). Besides, I have to pay to use gifs? I could just use paint for that. And it would be much easier too.

[cheatpark]

Yeah but at least the images don't appear messed up like they do in paint.

[NerdWarrior]

Ah, the last ditch attempt. No, it's too hard to use. Paint gets the job done much quicker.

[cheatpark]

I have no faith in paint. I haven't used it for months.

[wm2k1]

paint is old w/ very little capacities
i remembering using it since the days of windows 3.0

u r better off w/ psp or photoshop

[NerdWarrior]

psp=pay
photoshop=doesn't have needed functions

There ya go.

[niv]

Graphics won't do you good without a solid design or a firm grasp on HTML...seriously, it looks like something that came out of Trellix or something like that. I'd be pretty bold to validate that page through W3.

NerdWarrior: You can always add plug-ins to the full Photoshop...if you're not willing to pay, your site's not going to improve.

[cheatpark]

I would also recommend that nerdwarrior gets a paid host and a domain name too. Otherwise it looks scruffy.

[NerdWarrior]

I don't think a Photoshop plug-in is gonna have "Paste-From"
And remember, my operating budget is $0.00. I don't have enough money for crap like that. Screw it. There are comics that used a free host that are immensely popular. For instance, Farmboy.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by NerdWarrior
I don't think a Photoshop plug-in is gonna have "Paste-From"
And remember, my operating budget is $0.00. I don't have enough money for crap like that. Screw it. There are comics that used a free host that are immensely popular. For instance, Farmboy.
If you thinks its crap then your site will be crap too. Simple.

[NerdWarrior]

why get psp? I have PhotoPlus (or whatever) for touchups, if necessary. Paint is easy to use, and it suits my needs. Do you get things that don't suit your needs?

[niv]

Paint is for child's play...honestly, a comic artist should not be using paint. Suiting your needs is one thing, serving an aesthetically pleasing page is another.

FYI, Nerdwarrior, go to www.keenspace.com. I believe they still allow artists to sign up for free "unlimited" space there. They do have archiving software.

[cheatpark]

Paint is easy to use...yes thats true. Paint is also capable of producing stuff considered to be crap in simple terms. Paint shop pro...why use it? Because its far better than paint. Have you used it? As hayama kun said you need to spend money if you want your site to be good. All this is quite shocking to me when your site involves a lot of computer graphics.

[niv]

Hell, unless you were creating something like:

http://www.somethingawful.com/hotpaintbrush/index.htm

You have really no reason to use MS Paint.

[NerdWarrior]

I'm fed up with this.
Counter #1: Keenspace sucks.
Counter #2: A site's success is not based on what you use for grpahics, but on the maker of the graphics, the content of the site, and a bunch of other factors that you probably neglect.
Now, I refuse to argue mroe here. I have work to do, unlike you.

[NerdWarrior]

One last time, cheat.
At least my site actually responds.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by NerdWarrior
One last time, cheat.
At least my site actually responds.

If you were comparing your site to cheatpark... it isn't a good idea. His site is much better than your's.

I mean no offence, but try to leave other posters alone.

[wm2k1]

Originally posted by NerdWarrior
At least my site actually responds.
lol ... thats a laugh, i took a look at ur stats, only 21 visitors total and most of the visit came after u post this thread

umm...i wonder where the visitors came from?

u can't compare ur to cheatpark, i saw his old site (down now)
its nowhere near the best that i ever seen
but nonetheless ... its many many many time better than ur

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


If you were comparing your site to cheatpark... it isn't a good idea. His site is much better than your's.

I mean no offence, but try to leave other posters alone.
Thanks. Someone with a bit of sense.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by wm2k1

umm...i wonder where the visitors came from?
This site of course.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark

Thanks. Someone with a bit of sense.

No problem... I am usually straight-forward when I speak and I believe the way he has pushed around other posters is wrong.

[cheatpark]

I think this thread should be locked now before it starts a flame war. Who agrees?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark
I think this thread should be locked now before it starts a flame war. Who agrees?

I have to agree. This will turn into a flame war because I seen it happen before.

Todd or Peo or a mod: Lock this thread please.

[wm2k1]

i agree too, this thread has gone way off topic