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cheatpark

March 3rd, 2002, 07:11

:confused: Macs are cheaper than normal computers. Thats why schools use them. Other operating systems have more features and can do more stuff. Ever seen a web server with a mac operating system? That explains my point. I heard from phrozen's site that they can't read hard drives over 120gb. Also you can upgrade a normal pc more easily.

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 07:19

Macs aren't cheaper than PCs... the only reason why schools uses them is because they have that crappy interface. My school only uses PCs...

Jan

March 3rd, 2002, 07:22

Originally posted by cheatpark
:confused: Macs are cheaper than normal computers
I wish!!!!!!!

And what is a normal computer? :eek:

Robert

March 3rd, 2002, 09:31

Macs don't break, crash or freeze as often as PCs do. That is why most schools use them. They are easy to repair... because they never break.

Bruce

March 3rd, 2002, 09:41

Originally posted by cheatpark
:confused: Macs are cheaper than normal computers. Sure, the old ones that you see in schools. Have you seen the new Power Mac G4? Dual 1 GHz.. http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html
Ever seen a web server with a mac operating system?Yep, sure have. Seen a few before actually.
I heard from phrozen's site that they can't read hard drives over 120gb. Isn't that big enough for ya? :confused2

I would love to get a Mac, bur like other people, I don't have the $$$. I can't even afford a new PC.

DCI

March 3rd, 2002, 10:25

That Mac is sweet.. I saw it in the stores. Looks mad nice...

Dumbbell69

March 3rd, 2002, 10:46

Is that because Mac doesn't have that much of softwares??
that's why nobody likes to use them?

R. K. Raja

March 3rd, 2002, 11:24

Originally posted by Dumbbell69
Is that because Mac doesn't have that much of softwares??
that's why nobody likes to use them?

That's what I figured :confused2

Ben

March 3rd, 2002, 12:09

If i had the money, I'd buy myself a PowerMac G4 and upgrade it to Mac OS X....

[add]
Nevermind...it comes with OS X

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 13:07

Originally posted by robert
Macs don't break, crash or freeze as often as PCs do. That is why most schools use them. They are easy to repair... because they never break.

That is a load of crap. My PC never locks up.

I never give up my PC... the XP works fine and is one of the best performing CPUs on the market.

meow

March 3rd, 2002, 13:19

:rolleyes:
So now you're going to work yourself into a fit over which computer is the best? :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 13:33

Originally posted by meow
:rolleyes:
So now you're going to work yourself into a fit over which computer is the best? :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

Meow go somewhere else, you aren't appreciated here. I am not making a fit about anything, I am just stating the facts.

meow

March 3rd, 2002, 13:42

Isn't that sad. :cry2:
Your "facts" are always so full of superlatives it's hard for us dumbers to realize they are facts. You'll have to bear with us. Your superior intellect oblige you to.

Robert

March 3rd, 2002, 13:54

GC, Macs do not crash or freeze. Pcs DO crash and DO Freeze. maybe yours doesn't, but keep in account that your the only one that uses your computer. When you have a high school with over 2,000 students using around 700 computers, there tends to be an increase in computer problems. That is why Macs are the recommend choice for schools. However, in the past 4-5 years, PCs have been used in high schools because of the price difference as well as the wide selection of sofware available.

stu

March 3rd, 2002, 13:56

Originally posted by robert
Macs don't break, crash or freeze as often as PCs do. That is why most schools use them. They are easy to repair... because they never break. are you talking about the new G3/G4 macs? or the older PowerPC ones?

the older models, pre-G3 did crash a lot.. and I mean A LOT!

I've never tried a G3/G4 though... so I can't say.

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 13:59

Originally posted by robert
GC, Macs do not crash or freeze. Pcs DO crash and DO Freeze.

If you know how to take care of your PC then it won't crash or freeze. If you don't like XP or 98 because they crash too much, upgrade to 2000 which won't crash.

When you have a high school with over 2,000 students using around 700 computers, there tends to be an increase in computer problems.

I have only noticed rare crashes on even the PIII my school uses. There are 35 of them for 250 students.

That is why Macs are the recommend choice for schools. However, in the past 4-5 years, PCs have been used in high schools because of the price difference as well as the wide selection of sofware available.

High schools yes. But elementary schools and middle schools are the ones that use Macs. They have a bad interface anyway (not relating to stability), but I would expect a Mac to be in a fifth grade classroom.

megapuzik

March 3rd, 2002, 14:06

If you know how to take care of your PC then it won't crash or freeze. If you don't like XP or 98 because they crash too much, upgrade to 2000 which won't crash.
win 2k ?? wtf ?? maybe *nix but not win 2k to stop craches.... or any other win's...
Did you ever use a server or something like that (dual lines, hub....) ??

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 14:11

Originally posted by megapuzik

win 2k ?? wtf ?? maybe *nix but not win 2k to stop craches.... or any other win's...
Did you ever use a server or something like that (dual lines, hub....) ??

Win2k stops the crashes especially for individual machines. I am currently having a four computers hooked up on a LAN, so I know what I am talking about.

megapuzik

March 3rd, 2002, 14:14

any win system is connected directly to the kernel, so it cab ne like that !
as far as *nix, the kernel is divided

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 14:16

Originally posted by megapuzik
any win system is connected directly to the kernel, so it cab ne like that !
as far as *nix, the kernel is divided

Well Win2k doesn't crash for a machine that has three computers hooked up to it.

cheatpark

March 3rd, 2002, 14:34

How much does a mac cost then?

Bruce

March 3rd, 2002, 14:50

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/211/wo/sazJ01hGc5VqUQGsQk1/0.3.0.3.30.31.0.1.3.1.3.1.1.0?109,73

The Power Mac G4s start at $1600, but can range up to $5-6,000 easily.

Daniel

March 3rd, 2002, 15:17

One of my computers never crashes...because it uses:

Windows 3.1.1 :p

meow

March 3rd, 2002, 15:30

Is Windows 3 more stable? Honest question. Really. :biggrin2:
I have an old computer in parts and I haven't decided what to put on it yet.

Dusty

March 3rd, 2002, 15:40

Generally yes, but more stable in comparison to...?

Canuckkev

March 3rd, 2002, 15:59

Mac's are really good for graphics design. Like Photoshop, and 3D animation. They don't stop responding in huge resource hogging programs.

shizzle

March 3rd, 2002, 16:14

My dad (used to) work for a company that did billboards and stuff, (big printers, like, roomsize) and they used macs at the places where they printed the stuff (My dad took me to see em when we went skiing one day)

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 16:39

Originally posted by Canuckkev
Mac's are really good for graphics design. Like Photoshop, and 3D animation. They don't stop responding in huge resource hogging programs.

And that is about it.

cheatpark

March 3rd, 2002, 18:00

I'm sure I can find an imac for less than $1600. A lot cheaper. Thats why my school bought them.

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 18:06

Originally posted by cheatpark
I'm sure I can find an imac for less than $1600. A lot cheaper. Thats why my school bought them.

My school got a deal for PIIIs at $500 each. :rolleyes:

Bruce

March 3rd, 2002, 18:07

Originally posted by cheatpark
I'm sure I can find an imac for less than $1600. A lot cheaper. Thats why my school bought them. iMacs suck ---.

GregT

March 3rd, 2002, 18:22

i hate all macs :mad:

trenzterra

March 3rd, 2002, 19:43

All computers crashes:devious2:

And anyway, my school doesn't have Mac anymore. We all use Windows 98 PCs although there is a Mac lab with macs.

Nick

March 3rd, 2002, 20:02

Originally posted by trenzterra
although there is a Mac lab with macs.

If they called it the "Mac lab" I would hope it did have macs :p.

trenzterra

March 3rd, 2002, 20:06

Originally posted by Nick

If they called it the "Mac lab" I would hope it did have macs :p. So if I said "Apple lab" there would be apples inside instead of Apple macintoshs?:biggrin2:

niv

March 3rd, 2002, 20:37

The only thing that crashes on a mac is anything that comes from Microsoft, honestly. That's the only thing I've seen crash with the OS 8.x+ G3 machines we have at school all 200 of them networked. They're using them for graphics development, as well as using them for the shell [NiftyTelnet]. That and Apple provides these machines to schools for free. Under Win2000, the kernel may not crash as nearly as much as it does in Win9x, but the programs do. Programs never crashing is a bunch of bull----, hell, programs crash under *NIX too.

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 20:43

Under 2000 I was specifically talking about the Kernel... not some crappy programs. Hell, I installed this crappy screensaver that crashed my computer. But I have never experienced my computer crash other than that.

Hayama, I really doubt Apple has the money or the resources to provide computers for free... on the other hand, considering the interface is ---- on an Mac I see why they have to give free to schools.

My school had a choice between PIIIs or G3s... and they chose PIIIs. Though I prefer AMDs, the PIIIs are good for school purposes and I feel they made the right choice of not getting the G3. It doesn't suit the purposes or needs of the school. Macs belong in a fifth grade classroom respectively.

niv

March 3rd, 2002, 20:47

It does, of the 200+ macs we have, we haven't paid a single cent for them. Could it be a partnership between the government and Apple? :cool:

It's not the interface that counts, it's the reliability, which is why our schools has only a few PCs in the building, and most of them are used as servers with Debian/GNU Linux installed on them.

Obviously, if you had a photography shop class, would you use Macs or PCs? You'd choose the macs. If you needed to develop something, well then use PCs and *NIX. It depends on necessity. If it were for surfing the web, Macs do as well.

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 20:49

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
It does, of the 200+ macs we have, we haven't paid a single cent for them. Could it be a partnership between the government and Apple? :cool:

Which is actually quite sad, because I would prefer my school to have something to meet my needs. Then why does the Government use all PCs for their purposes? Probably the necessity of complexity.

It's not the interface that counts, it's the reliability, which is why our schools has only a few PCs in the building, and most of them are used as servers with Debian/GNU Linux installed on them.

Reliablity can be found in PCs aswell. I don't know about your school, but because of the needs of computer classes my school didn't purchase Macs.

I think Apple has went on a smear campagin to paint themselves as the top for graphic design... well I think it is just a load of crap and a misstatement.

megapuzik

March 3rd, 2002, 20:50

Under 2000 I was specifically talking about the Kernel... not some crappy programs. Hell, I installed this crappy screensaver that crashed my computer. But I have never experienced my computer crash other than that.
I hope you DO know that the win2k structure is
-no premissions (bad for security)
-softwares structure work under KERNEL - thats mean that any software that craches, can crach the whole system.

Giancarlo

March 3rd, 2002, 20:51

Originally posted by megapuzik

I hope you DO know that the win2k structure is
-no premissions (bad for security)
-softwares structure work under KERNEL - thats mean that any software that craches, can crach the whole system.

No. There is something called the Task Manager and you can easily eliminate what-ever program is not functioning.

You are wrong on both points.

niv

March 3rd, 2002, 20:54

There is a permissions system, but that's only through the admin and on NTFS filesystems only, and programs that crash can affect system programs, like the task manager itself [mines doesn't have a menu or title bar anymore :confused2].

megapuzik

March 3rd, 2002, 20:55

Originally posted by Giancarlo

No. There is something called the Task Manager and you can easily eliminate what-ever program is not functioning.

You are wrong on both points.
You wrong again...
1) windows is NOT like *nix system that have premissions, WINDOWS DONT have this kind, only "read-only" (this why you dont need to CHMOD on a windows)
2) the structure is that all the software is wirking under the kernel, in *nix, there is user structure that software dont work under it.

meow

March 3rd, 2002, 22:18

That was interesting megapuzik. :)

Bruce

March 3rd, 2002, 22:23

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
[mines doesn't have a menu or title bar anymore :confused2]. Try double-cicking the border.

Giancarlo

March 4th, 2002, 07:47

Originally posted by megapuzik

You wrong again...
1) windows is NOT like *nix system that have premissions, WINDOWS DONT have this kind, only "read-only" (this why you dont need to CHMOD on a windows)
2) the structure is that all the software is wirking under the kernel, in *nix, there is user structure that software dont work under it.

No actually I am not. The Windows 2000 Kernel does not crash. So what you are saying is bluntly irrevelant.

Jan

March 4th, 2002, 08:03

:yawn:

Giancarlo

March 4th, 2002, 08:06

Originally posted by Jan
:yawn:

Go spam elsewhere.

ac3

March 4th, 2002, 08:11

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Go spam elsewhere.
someone's pissed off today :confused:

Jan

March 4th, 2002, 08:28

Oh GC......did you have a bad night again???

Giancarlo

March 4th, 2002, 08:28

Originally posted by Jan
Oh GC......did you have a bad night again???

I said: Go spam elsewhere.

Jan

March 4th, 2002, 08:35

:cry2: Poor Giancarlo.....tell us what ails you, we might be able to offer some counselling. :classic2:

Giancarlo

March 4th, 2002, 08:35

Originally posted by Jan
:cry2: Poor Giancarlo.....tell us what ails you, we might be able to offer some counselling. :classic2:

I am not in the mood to talk right now.

Jan

March 4th, 2002, 08:39

No rush, when you are ready :classic2:

I am going to bed now anyway. Have a nice day! :cool2:

megapuzik

March 4th, 2002, 09:02

Originally posted by Giancarlo

I am not in the mood to talk right now.

So go spam elsewhere. :biggrin2: :biggrin2:

meow

March 4th, 2002, 12:22

:rolleyes:
The aussie spammer hist again. :biggrin2:

niv

March 4th, 2002, 17:02

Originally posted by Giancarlo

No actually I am not. The Windows 2000 Kernel does not crash. So what you are saying is bluntly irrevelant.
What you are saying is irrevelant in one sense as well, he mentioned a permission based filesystem, which does not usefully exist on WinNT x machines. If you want to change permissions, you need to be an Administrator-what the hell is the point when everyone is an administrator, each user can read other people's files now. Also, the webserver's user is also an administrator, thus people can read user files off the net.

The Windows 2000 Kernel may not crash, but the system programs will crash, explorer for one. Some will crash, and cannot be killed or restarted, i.e. svchost and spoolsv, which will be just as bad as the kernel crashing [at times it's no good to have a working kernel without vital working system applications]. I think that's what megapuzik was getting at.

awayfromforum

March 4th, 2002, 17:04

Originally posted by Hayama-kun
There is a permissions system, but that's only through the admin and on NTFS filesystems only, and programs that crash can affect system programs, like the task manager itself [mines doesn't have a menu or title bar anymore :confused2].

double click anywhere and the window border should come back up!!

awayfromforum

March 4th, 2002, 17:10

well i just wanted to say my little bit on how bad the macs are. My school had just bought new macs and had networked them. Then the next thing a kid does is go on a computer open a graphics editing program, creates an image. THen he saves it to the server ( mac ). Suddenly the network is down. now it seems to be that the mac server went dead. they tried restartiung but it kept freezing.

So they got a new server. so i was busy in word and searching teh internet when my computer froze. This happened to all the other people in the lab as well. The problem was that the mac-os was corrupted just because of me using word and the internet.

I have never frozen a windows system in my life, i have gotten some blue screens but i could always go on with my work. Now that i use windows xp i have no problems at all with stability. Windows xp is cool and so is a pc.

by the way, mac servers are the easiest to hack servers on the world

niv

March 4th, 2002, 17:12

Mines took three clicks. :confused2

Screw this Dell version of Win2k...time to use an old beta build of Win2k that works exponentially better. :confused2

by the way, mac servers are the easiest to hack servers on the world

Any unprotected system is potentially hackable, and considering that Mac OS X users can use the same software avaiable for *nix, I don't think it's as unsafe as IIS. :rolleyes:

Christopher

March 4th, 2002, 17:16

I haven't read the whole thread but personally I think macs suck. I use them all of the time at school and they come nowhere near the capabilities that a PC does, in my opinoin.

Macs seem to be too simple. And for programmers, I think it is a nightmare!

I am very confortable with the mac as I use them all the time in school, but I still find a PC much simpler to use.

Thats just my opinoin. Now please, no one come up to me and start flaming me about my opinoin, I don't like macs, that is that.

Oh ya, macs DO crash. I have seen it happen hundreds if not thousands of times.

I think, if you like macs, you just might as well go and get a PC with Windows 3.1, same style as a mac, but better.

But even better than a machine with a Windows OS is a machine with a Linux OS! Linux is awsome, especially for the programmer!

--------------------------

Phreak888

Giancarlo

March 4th, 2002, 17:30

Well I guess I am wrong again because Hayama... damn it, Windows 2000 is a hell lot more stable than any other OS I have tried including XP.

DCI

March 4th, 2002, 17:32

I agree, i was using Win2000 on a other computer. It never got stuck. Then i got a XP comp. with even better specs, but xp. keeps getting stuck.

megapuzik

March 4th, 2002, 19:29

Sure windows is more stable then macs...ONLY when you networked mac and run widnows on a local host :biggrin2:
My school run a windows 2000 + iis server, and I can tell you the he craches 2-3 times a DAY.
sure, when you run windows on localhost and compare it to macs network, the win will be "better" (well, dont count on it)..
WINDOWS is only for games , not for servers....
thats why you people "love" windows...
for example, most of the web-host and isps (the one that also host sites) can promise 99 % uptime on *nix machines and they cant promise that on their windows server cuz windows based servers SUCKS !! like I said, windows is for playing games...
also check the www.netcraft.com statics and you will see the charts from windows uptime and compare it to *nix uptime...

awayfromforum

March 4th, 2002, 19:38

i like windows. never had a problem with it. i only found that windows 200 crashed a lot more than windows xp. And i dont like IIS so i run a apache on localhost. At my school they run on windows 2000 machines excpet the server. they run the server on windows xp with IIS and a lot of patches.

THey decided to test it out since half of the time the win 2000 server crashed. they switched to xp and they have not restartted the computer for over 4 months and it has not crashed.

Giancarlo

March 4th, 2002, 19:46

Originally posted by megapuzik
Sure windows is more stable then macs...ONLY when you networked mac and run widnows on a local host :biggrin2:
My school run a windows 2000 + iis server, and I can tell you the he craches 2-3 times a DAY.
sure, when you run windows on localhost and compare it to macs network, the win will be "better" (well, dont count on it)..
WINDOWS is only for games , not for servers....
thats why you people "love" windows...
for example, most of the web-host and isps (the one that also host sites) can promise 99 % uptime on *nix machines and they cant promise that on their windows server cuz windows based servers SUCKS !! like I said, windows is for playing games...
also check the www.netcraft.com statics and you will see the charts from windows uptime and compare it to *nix uptime...

SP Correction: Crashes, not craches.

I don't know what the problem is with your school computers, probably old hardware but at home I run a network of 4 computers and the server never crashes ever. Neither do the clients. Once mine did, but I should of known better before installing some crappy screensaver. Windows 2000 is for networks, and servers... I speak on experience.

I tried Windows XP before on a friend's computer when he asked me for a favor to install it for him, and then I tried to install their copy of Myst III and it did not work. I installed my copy on my 2000 Computer and it does work. Go figure! XP is crap.

XP is ---- because it doesn't work with anything based on my experience and is worse than ME based on my experience. My personal experience is four computers. Try to discredit that.

stu

March 4th, 2002, 20:41

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I don't know what the problem is with your school computers, probably old hardware but at home I run a network of 4 computers and the server never crashes ever. Neither do the clients.

I really don't see your point about having 4 computers on a network.. What are your computers doing? sharing an internet connection or sharing files? either of those are quite easy to do even using Win95..

Giancarlo

March 4th, 2002, 20:42

Originally posted by stu

I really don't see your point about having 4 computers on a network.. What are your computers doing? sharing an internet connection or sharing files? either of those are quite easy to do even using Win95..

Sharing internet and sharing files. It is very easy to do. :rolleyes:

stu

March 4th, 2002, 20:46

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Sharing internet and sharing files. It is very easy to do. :rolleyes: stability-wise even win95 can handle that kind of load..

Daniel

March 4th, 2002, 22:55

Originally posted by stu
stability-wise even win95 can handle that kind of load..

damn straight...my cousin's school has 30 classrooms each with 4 computers so in all, 120 computers(each computer has win95), now the computer lab has 28 computers running win98. All the computers share an internet connection and files.

win95 is the second most stable o/s ever, next to dos and win 3.1.1 :D

Originally posted by Dusty
Generally yes, but more stable in comparison to...?

DOS! :biggrin2: