The dark business of some webhosts here

Something YOU (yes, you!) should read:

Some webhosts on this forums (I won't say names) have a very dark business going on with Reseller Accounts. They sell you a "cheap" reseller account, with fantastico, cpanel, everything you need. Awesome support, overselling allowed.

Great! now you can create your own company! Yay! Let's go shopping to FWS to see if we can get some customers. But, oh my god! My Reseller provider is saying that you should not trust hosts that don't have their own servers :confused4

Yes, this is true. You know who you guys are. You sell something but encourage people not to use it. Not all resellers are non-trustable. And if they are, why do you offer resellers?

- no offence to all of you, just a comment :)

Haven't really thought about it this way, but when you stop and think about it is quite true. Thanks for bring this up.

I have no real comments but this is true.

Haven't really thought about it this way, but when you stop and think about it is quite true. Thanks for bring this up.

I have no real comments but this is true.

thanks for your support :classic2:

I think a lot of people may agree on this, thats why I posted it

While it is true that the best hosts do own their own server(s), you have to start somewhere. Reseller is a great place to learn the ropes for a relatively low price.

I don't think you are going to get much comments from hosts on this as most hosts offer reseller accounts and have at one point or another speaked ill of them on this forum.

The question is why do "none reseller" hosts provide reseller accounts so others can "start their own web host" when the "none reseller" hosts complains about such "reseller hosts"? The answer is quite simple: money. Reseller hosting has quite a large market and can be quite profitable as well. Sometimes business isn't about what you feel is right or wrong but rather what makes money.

I don't think you are going to get much comments from hosts on this as most hosts offer reseller accounts and have at one point or another speaked ill of them on this forum.

The question is why do "none reseller" hosts provide reseller accounts so others can "start their own web host" when the "none reseller" hosts complains about such "reseller hosts"? The answer is quite simple: money. Reseller hosting has quite a large market and can be quite profitable as well. Sometimes business isn't about what you feel is right or wrong but rather what makes money.

Totally agree. Is a thing of ethics and moral.

Tree: What you say is true, and it goes directly to my point

EDIT: On my reputation: "You'd be DEAD WRONG". If your reading this, don't be shy, fight back. I guess you're one of the hosts I'm fighting

Owning your own equipment and datacenter or not has nothing to do with quality, reliability, ethics, business practices of a web host. It's more a question of which server in which datacenter with which connections?

A lot of industry leading web hosts do not own their servers. Are you talking about ownership of hardware? If one is to discredit this, one should also discredit those using their own servers in a leased DC space. Now we're talking more than 99.999 percent of hosts, seriously.

Some desperate hosts might try to use "We own our own equipments!" as a selling point. But fact is, many of whom use this - you rather they didn't own/operate their own hardware..

Which host would you prefer for your shared hosting plan?

1: A host running from leased servers from a top brand provider such as ThePlanet and EV1Servers.

2: A host who sent in his junky celeron into his local datacenter for colocation.

I know what I would rather have.

I prefer when companies lease their equipment normally. That way i know their staff is completely on their work rather than managing a whole datacenter.

I don't have any issues with resellers (I wouldn't get hosting from one though), but resellers who offer reseller plans bother me.

I prefer when companies lease their equipment normally. That way i know their staff is completely on their work rather than managing a whole datacenter.
That's good sometimes. Although that also creates a lot of middlemen, which aren't good in any business.

Meaning you go through someone who goes through someone who goes through someone to get bandwidth.

And you go through someone who goes through someone to get your servers.

And you go through someone who goes through someone to fix a problem. Also, if a problem does arise, sometimes the person who you bought from doesn't have the right permissions or access or whatever to fix what needs to be fixed.

Leasing vs. managing is really more of a personal preference when it gets down to it. Some people prefer managing their business instead of their servers while others prefer total control over their servers.
but resellers who offer reseller plans bother me.

Yes. Then there are more middlemen being created.

So let's name names.... why help them out...? Let's see some names... I'll back you up 100%.

A) I know it's not me
B) Search "Guilt Issues" on this forum and you'll find me saying "I have guilt issues just trying to compete against my own resellers"
C) I agree with you, so I officially have your back...

Let's name them... see if they come to your thread.

Agreed. On all letters of the alphabet.

So let's name names.... why help them out...? Let's see some names... I'll back you up 100%.

A) I know it's not me
B) Search "Guilt Issues" on this forum and you'll find me saying "I have guilt issues just trying to compete against my own resellers"
C) I agree with you, so I officially have your back...

Let's name them... see if they come to your thread.

I crash parties without an invite ;). Someone call?

I crash parties without an invite ;). Someone call?
Yea, tell them how good you have it in life!

Yea, tell them how good you have it in life!

Hehe, I don't what all this thread really is about lol. I am a reseller. The deal I got worked out i got enough time to run a decent hosting business, make some good profit, and still be in school and live a normal life. yeah some days its rough, but being a reseller is pretty smooth sailing here.

Insert Name Here
Insert Name Here
Insert Name Here

heymrdj reporting to list, Sir!

Let me know if I can assist you any other way :p.


NOTE: WOOT 600th post :).

heymrdj reporting to list, Sir!
Let me know if I can assist you any other way :p.


NOTE: WOOT 600th post :).

Hi Five 600! :spam:

You can count me out too. If you want to sell a product at the lowest price just so you can add another customer to your list then good for you. Any provider can do this but most of the respectable providers will understand that the customer you just had sign up to your product is not going to be with you very long. Why because he or she will coast along from one provider to another to get more and more.

I would rather pick a respected provider that provides a product that you can really use. Selling items in a three and four GB figure number that you well and truly know you are going to allow them use is totally wrong. Those numbers are just numbers.

I have seen such ridiculous comments on this website, detailing you will not find anyone offering something at that price you will be looking at x price for that amount but the person with that comment is actually offering it.

I agree with James. And I dont diss on resellers. I have several resellers that I think are excellent hosts and would recommend them to my friends if they wanted to host with someone besides me. I think that a reseller account is a great way for someone to learn the hosting business. I also think that anyone who offers a reseller account and then says they make resellers less of a host because they are a reseller is really telling on the quality of his servicers and services and not the resellers.

Duport, your PM Box is full. sorry, off topic

I started out with a small reseller, and I filled that up with free, ad supported clients. It was paying for itself, and I had the chance to learn how to manage it. Now I've got another reseller, though a lot larger. Again just free clients. I've learned how to manage it. Now, come next month (And the end of school) I'm going to upgrade to a dedicated server. Only then will I offer paid hosting. I believe free is the way to go for people starting out. If you do it right you can make plenty of money to slowly work your way up until you have full control over your server and aren't worried about some guy with a single dedicated or VPS shutting down your account. You'll learn what you need to know, and when you offer paid, you'll be in a much better position to handle it. Start small, and work your way up. As an added bonus, with free you aren't under such a heavy obligation to provide support.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth, and if it seems completely rambling and senseless it's because I've been up for 28 hours straight now. Good night.


/Kyle

So let's name names.... why help them out...? Let's see some names... I'll back you up 100%.

A) I know it's not me
B) Search "Guilt Issues" on this forum and you'll find me saying "I have guilt issues just trying to compete against my own resellers"
C) I agree with you, so I officially have your back...

Let's name them... see if they come to your thread.

It's not you, don't worry. I'm kind of sleepy, so I'll make a list tomorrow (if you can call it a list, because it's too short).

I'll leave you in suspense :P

Being the HUGE Provider "behind"resellers as we would like to think we are, has its disadvantages too.

Due to business being brisk, we tend to ignore accounts which are small and leave them to our resellers, who fills the gap perfectly.

However, we DO NOT badmouth our resellers nor try to undercut them and will always refrain from competing directly against them whenever a client asked for quotes unless we know that their quote wont make it.

We have a healthy relationship with our resellers and they compliment our services perfectly while allowing both our businesses to grow.

We love that synergy and would not have been "LARGE" today without them.

expected a thread like this to come(it came a bit too late.)

Well i think you ahve to start somewhere especially if you haven't got any experience with hosting.

I do agree with those who say, trying to offer paid hosting off your reseller is just wrong, but if the reseller is big and oversellign is not enabled, you have good support, then why not?

just my 2 cents.

BTW where's the list?

Having a reseller isnt a problem, I have about 4 of them plus my own servers *which are mine* & 16 rented servers. Having a reseller account isnt anything to be ashamed about, when you think about it, its wise.... just my 2 cents!.

Having a reseller isnt a problem, I have about 4 of them plus my own servers *which are mine* & 16 rented servers. Having a reseller account isnt anything to be ashamed about, when you think about it, its wise.... just my 2 cents!.

16 servers? Nice!

fek all a matter with having a reseller account, just takes you to be with a good host so problems dont arise, so far i have be running around a year and havent had any problems nor have my customers. if you do have a reseller account you just needa find a good host with good support. after a while i plan to upgrade to a dedicated server but dont see why at the minuite as i dont have any problems and havent yet. *touch wood* so what is the big deal about having a reseller account?

yea everyones gotta start somewhere! come on give us resellers a chance we may be on ur turf but cut us some slack... if u big boys are really that powerful our clients will be running to u later on.. in the end u guys win? if u were a client on a reseller i dont think u wud notice the difference if ur host still offers nice support... n i dont really think they wud care if ur a reseller as long as they get what they need

if u were a client on a reseller i dont think u wud notice the difference if ur host still offers nice support... n i dont really think they wud care if ur a reseller as long as they get what they need


nicely said!! thats all that matters!!

Yes, but if you have a dedicated, you can be trusted. I'm on a dedicated.
For people who want to just host their friends, a reseller is what they should get.

Yes, but if you have a dedicated, you can be trusted. I'm on a dedicated.

What kind of logic is this? That isn't even logic. You are trusted because you have a dedicated server? You realize that you can still be a scammer even if you "have a dedicated" and you realize that there are a lot of "reseller hosts" who can be trusted and are serious about what they do.

Yes, but if you have a dedicated, you can be trusted. I'm on a dedicated.
For people who want to just host their friends, a reseller is what they should get.

how is most customers going to know you have a dedicated server (unless you have it plastered over your website)

alot of customers dont really understand the difference between this, all they really care is that there site is hosted and safe and have help at hand if needed which we resellers can offer just as good as yourself

Yes, but if you have a dedicated, you can be trusted. I'm on a dedicated.
For people who want to just host their friends, a reseller is what they should get.

I actually trust resellers more. People who use resellers have a good chance of having overselling forced off (I know all my resellers are that way). A guy with a dedicated can force as many accounts on there as he wants to..as I have seen a few clients do to some dedicated servers I have sold them...their names will not be mentioned. :angel:

as a free host (when I had one:P) I plastered the fact I had a dedicated everywhere. why? makes your customers think that most free hosts arn't, and in all fairness most hosts under a month are.
Starting on a dedicated is crazy, theres no need, especially with paid hosting where it can take a while to get the ball rolling. You need space but you can't have a dedicated for a month if you only have 2 clients paying $5 each.
Resellers are a fact of life, their a great place to learn the ropes, I did and now I want to get back in but have no cash I'm using one.
Is this bad? No, becuase I'll manage it correctly, as will 90% of reseller hosts here. The problem comes when resellers buy a cheap reseller and get dumped on some p1 64mb ram crap hole with 90 other people.
Resellers need to be priced carefully, I brought down an entire server once using my $20 reseller. This is where the issues start, if the reseller gets a bad reseller package (through no fault of there own) their: response times are slow, frequent crashes, server problems, high pings.
This is why people like a host to have their own dedicateds, there is no middle man to ---- up. Having said that, if the owners some dip---- who decideds to try and save a buck and get a server from LT, unmanaged then its worse than the reseller.
My reseller has daily backups 99% uptime and great features, this means I offer people good features.
If you get a good reseller package you'll be fine, and its a great place to start.
But that package if the keystone to your company. pick badly and your stuffed.