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Johnson
May 6th, 2006, 19:41
Message from TacoSauce:
Hello,
HottWeelz and many other members have been banned, and now reside here:
(THE ACTUAL URL HAS BEEN CENSORED, SO CLICK THAT)
Please join us, and help us show the FWS admins that banning members for no reason is unacceptable!!
I'm not supporting either side in this dispiute, I just hate spam.
Bruce
May 6th, 2006, 19:53
Taken care of.
Robert
May 6th, 2006, 19:57
Thank You for bringing it to our attention. There are a couple of members who disagree with us and decided to be immature and unprofessional and go around and spam our users and then we ban them, but they can't figure out why they are banned. Go Figure.
Craig
May 6th, 2006, 20:14
Yea, there isnt any need for this.....
Robert
May 6th, 2006, 20:24
Yea, there isnt any need for this.....
Yep, none what so ever.
AvailNetworks
May 6th, 2006, 22:37
yep I have received one already from ezhost i believe
Wojtek
May 6th, 2006, 23:08
so hoywheels got banned?
utcrazy
May 6th, 2006, 23:29
Wojtek, don't go against the mods, they will own you in your sleep.
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 08:27
Wojtek, don't go against the mods, they will own you in your sleep.
That's just silly talk. :rolleyes2
James
May 7th, 2006, 13:55
Message from TacoSauce:
I'm not supporting either side in this dispiute, I just hate spam.
The "proffesionals" are leaving..
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
utcrazy
May 7th, 2006, 13:58
That's just silly talk. :rolleyes2
You know I'm just kiddin, feel the love.
Well, being the straight up talkin individual that I am, I will say the following. You can ban me or whatever if you wish but, I just say what I feel and if people don't like it, that's their tough.
I think, being honest here, that the rules here at FWS are totally out of control and the Mods are totally strict and on Power Trips.
People are getting banned for the slightest little thing.
If someone, for example, places an offer of web hosting and doesn't place a link because the plan they offer is a Custom one and is not on their site, their post is edited and all items removed. That's just plain outright childish. Let's be honest here. If they do not have a custom plan on their site, what's the point in requiring a URL?
Just my opinion. Like it or not. But I think you should all take a chill pill and relax.
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 15:52
Well, being the straight up talkin individual that I am, I will say the following. You can ban me or whatever if you wish but, I just say what I feel and if people don't like it, that's their tough.
I think, being honest here, that the rules here at FWS are totally out of control and the Mods are totally strict and on Power Trips.
People are getting banned for the slightest little thing.
If someone, for example, places an offer of web hosting and doesn't place a link because the plan they offer is a Custom one and is not on their site, their post is edited and all items removed. That's just plain outright childish. Let's be honest here. If they do not have a custom plan on their site, what's the point in requiring a URL?
Just my opinion. Like it or not. But I think you should all take a chill pill and relax.
They still need to provide a URL to their site and note on the post that it's a custom order. They can't just post what they can offer and ask someone to contact them via e-mail. A URL is required so we know what host it is, even if it's a custom plan. Many hosts post custom plans on our website and still provide a URL to their domain and they don't get their post edited or deleted. Apparently many hosts can follow the rules, and sadly a few can't.
The recent 'group' of members getting banned were because they spammed our members. If they want to go off and start a forum, fine, but please don't here harassing and spamming our members. It's not right and we won't tolerate it. Of course to them we're on a "power trip", but in reality we're doing what any other forum would do.
James
May 7th, 2006, 15:53
Well, being the straight up talkin individual that I am, I will say the following. You can ban me or whatever if you wish but, I just say what I feel and if people don't like it, that's their tough.
I think, being honest here, that the rules here at FWS are totally out of control and the Mods are totally strict and on Power Trips.
People are getting banned for the slightest little thing.
If someone, for example, places an offer of web hosting and doesn't place a link because the plan they offer is a Custom one and is not on their site, their post is edited and all items removed. That's just plain outright childish. Let's be honest here. If they do not have a custom plan on their site, what's the point in requiring a URL?
Just my opinion. Like it or not. But I think you should all take a chill pill and relax. No wonder the guys decided to open their own hosting forum.
Sorry Dan but people are getting banned for more serious offences than "custom plans".
Sorry Dan but people are getting banned for more serious offences than "custom plans".
Yes they are. And people are getting banned for far less.
I got banned for ten days once because I posted an ad a couple hours short of 7 days since the last one. It was more than 7 days in my time but the Mod went with their own time.
James
May 7th, 2006, 16:05
I got banned once a while ago for the exact same reason.
Fact is, strict and over-jealous modding is the only way to get the message across that this place won't tolerate nonsense. I think it's a good thing as long as it doesn't go out of proportion. It has not.
I got banned once a while ago for the exact same reason.
Fact is, strict and over-jealous modding is the only way to get the message across that this place won't tolerate nonsense. I think it's a good thing as long as it doesn't go out of proportion. It has not.
That's your opnion. I have mine. And I think it is blown out of all proportions. It's simply a case of, "I am a Mod. You Do As I Say Or Get Banned!" that simple.
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 16:12
That's your opnion. I have mine. And I think it is blown out of all proportions. It's simply a case of, "I am a Mod. You Do As I Say Or Get Banned!" that simple.
It's not that simple. Please show me where any mod as ever said that? It's simply untrue and honestly I'm getting tired of the made up lies. If this place is so bad as a couple of you try to make it out to be, then stop visiting. Less work for us.
It's not that simple. Please show me where any mod as ever said that? It's simply untrue and honestly I'm getting tired of the made up lies. If this place is so bad as a couple of you try to make it out to be, then stop visiting. Less work for us.
So, now you call your members Liars?
Good man.
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 16:16
So, now you call your members Liars?
Good man.
No, I'm not calling the memebrs liars, I'm calling the group of ex-members liars.
No, I'm not calling the memebrs liars, I'm calling the group of ex-members liars.
Oh ok.
But look, I am just going by my own experiences here, nobody else and I just feel that there is a little Power Trip madness going on and the Mods should relax a little more.
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 16:22
Oh ok.
But look, I am just going by my own experiences here, nobody else and I just feel that there is a little Power Trip madness going on and the Mods should relax a little more.
We're relaxed.. we're chilled. :cool:
If you or any member feels they are being treated unfairly, send me a PM, I promise I'll straighten it out. We're always open to suggestions and comments as well.
AvailNetworks
May 7th, 2006, 16:50
sometimes in order to make things run smoothly you have to lay down the law a bit. I liked some of the members that were banned but I do agree with the banning. I seen them taunt jan and the other mods and poke fun at the whole CAHOOT b.s. and of course the several "public challenges" like it was 2:15 at the flag pole in junior high.
bottom line there is alot of younger members here and things can get out of hand quickly and unless they keep a tight grip on things it will go comlpetely nuts.
I never got that CAHOOT thing..
I think there's no fault here. Banned members played by their own rules and Mods overreacted a little. That's the way I see it
utcrazy
May 7th, 2006, 17:51
Robert, or can I call you Bob? All the members on this other forum were publically stateing they were going to try to get banned, if they had not been already. Dan is just trying to do this. You can save everyone some time and just go ahead and put him on that banned list.
James
May 7th, 2006, 17:55
Hmm.
What a lame group of people.
Robert, or can I call you Bob? All the members on this other forum were publically stateing they were going to try to get banned, if they had not been already. Dan is just trying to do this. You can save everyone some time and just go ahead and put him on that banned list.
Hold up there young man. Why would I want to be banned? Get real man. I am stating an opinion. If I wanted to get banned I would post profanic remarks up on the forums and spam all over the place. Get your facts right.
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 18:04
Robert, or can I call you Bob? All the members on this other forum were publically stateing they were going to try to get banned, if they had not been already. Dan is just trying to do this. You can save everyone some time and just go ahead and put him on that banned list.
I'd prefer Robert.
It's kinda sad that they were on a mission to get banned. Not everyone who went "over there" had any problems with us. I never had any issues with Dan and if that was his mission, that's pretty bad. But I won't ban him and I hope he doesn't try to get banned on purpose.
The minute they started spamming our members, that's when they lost all credibility. Infact, we've had to censor multiple domains from theirs because of their spamming. At least 4 different domains have been censored that pointed to their website because they continued to spam us. Is that mature at all? I don't think so.
I'd prefer Robert.
It's kinda sad that they were on a mission to get banned. Not everyone who went "over there" had any problems with us. I never had any issues with Dan and if that was his mission, that's pretty bad. But I won't ban him and I hope he doesn't try to get banned on purpose.
The minute they started spamming our members, that's when they lost all credibility. Infact, we've had to censor multiple domains from theirs because of their spamming. At least 4 different domains have been censored that pointed to their website because they continued to spam us. Is that mature at all? I don't think so.
You know, I actually agree with the latter of your post.
And, no. I am not on any mission to get banned. :)
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 18:08
You know, I actually agree with the latter of your post.
And, no. I am not on any mission to get banned. :)
At least we agree on something! :lol:
Hold up there young man. Why would I want to be banned? Get real man. I am stating an opinion. If I wanted to get banned I would post profanic remarks up on the forums and spam all over the place. Get your facts right.
agree. There are easier ways to get banned.
utcrazy (or may I call you uty), you're starting to look like a sucke...
At least we agree on something! :lol:
hehehe :lol:
utcrazy
May 7th, 2006, 18:46
agree. There are easier ways to get banned.
utcrazy (or may I call you uty), you're starting to look like a sucke...
That's just what the "In" thing is over there, aparently. I took the liberty of reading the thread when a private conversation I had with hotweelz was posted publically. And you can call me Mark.
That's just what the "In" thing is over there, aparently. I took the liberty of reading the thread when a private conversation I had with hotweelz was posted publically. And you can call me Mark.
Mark, you just went up on credibility. For me, something fishy is happening here (with them) and I don't want to be a part of it.
Note: I assume I won't get banned if I register at the other forum right?
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 19:33
Mark, you just went up on credibility. For me, something fishy is happening here (with them) and I don't want to be a part of it.
Note: I assume I won't get banned if I register at the other forum right?
No, you won't be banned just for registering over there.
Bruce
May 7th, 2006, 19:40
Note: I assume I won't get banned if I register at the other forum right?I haven't yet...
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Craig
May 7th, 2006, 19:46
I haven't yet...
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Nor me :spider:
I registered before reading Bruce's post.. now I plan to ask them to delete my account!! :lol:
I think the bottom line is that if there is a legitimate concern over our current rules that concern should be brought up in a professional manner. A while back we went to a three strikes and you're out policy, and generally speaking it worked well. A temp. ban is just that temporary, and it's just meant to send a message. Without it we had constant repeat offenders, but with that the message gets through if that individual is reasonable.
I think everyone needs to relax, approach things in a professional manner, and be logical about it. Obviously we only want what's best for the forum, and we welcome feedback. We won't of course tolerate PM spammers, and those going out of their way to cause problems.
As always issues can be escalated to different moderators, and if they aren't helpful to admins. If it's still an unresolved issue then Peo will review it, and the final decision will be made. I think that's pretty reasonable, and would encourage people to approach matters in a more level headed fashion.
Craig
May 7th, 2006, 20:02
I think the bottom line is that if there is a legitimate concern over our current rules that concern should be brought up in a professional manner. A while back we went to a three strikes and you're out policy, and generally speaking it worked well. A temp. ban is just that temporary, and it's just meant to send a message. Without it we had constant repeat offenders, but with that the message gets through if that individual is reasonable.
I think everyone needs to relax, approach things in a professional manner, and be logical about it. Obviously we only want what's best for the forum, and we welcome feedback. We won't of course tolerate PM spammers, and those going out of their way to cause problems.
As always issues can be escalated to different moderators, and if they aren't helpful to admins. If it's still an unresolved issue then Peo will review it, and the final decision will be made. I think that's pretty reasonable, and would encourage people to approach matters in a more level headed fashion.
@ Todd: Agree but the problem Todd is that NON of the admins nor mods tell you how many warnings you have. Say you do something wrong which falls under the 3 strikes rule you wont get any PM/email to tell you what you have done wrong.
@ mr.d1n1: Regards to ''the forum'', its just a forum, nothing more... nothing less. Anyone can register, FWS ban the URL.... fine but they cant ban you just for visiting or posting lol.
@ mr.d1n1: Regards to ''the forum'', its just a forum, nothing more... nothing less. Anyone can register, FWS ban the URL.... fine but they cant ban you just for visiting or posting lol.
Hey, after all those rumors, I felt like chased by the Gestapo :lol:
Happy to see some admins posting here Todd :-)
Craig
May 7th, 2006, 20:06
I am 100% SICK of hearing this crap....... every day this pops up, cant we just wrap it up? please..... If your banned.... deal with it. Dont spam, eat eggs. Stop now!.
If your banned, you can't post here, so leave it lol
It will keep popping up if people keep sending messages to us
Craig
May 7th, 2006, 20:11
If your banned, you can't post here, so leave it lol
It will keep popping up if people keep sending messages to us
They wont send any to me, if they do it will be the last message they EVER send.
@ Todd: Agree but the problem Todd is that NON of the admins nor mods tell you how many warnings you have. Say you do something wrong which falls under the 3 strikes rule you wont get any PM/email to tell you what you have done wrong.
When we were doing the three strikes thing, the member would receive a PM or email titled Warning #1 (or 2 or 3). It was becoming very time consuming emailing or PMing up to 20 times a day.
Hopefully soon we will have a warning system in place that will automatically send an email to the member with a copy of the post that was problematic. It also shows how many points you have.
utcrazy
May 7th, 2006, 21:37
Amen brotha.
Yellowmc
May 7th, 2006, 21:45
*Sista!
Robert
May 7th, 2006, 21:53
Uh oh.. utcrazy is gonna be banned now for that! :lol:
I'll throw in my 2 cents here.
I registered over there just because it seemed very lighthearted and things were getting a bit "thick" over here. However, this is a great marketplace, and things were going on, and still are, that are very childish and unprofessional. I've partaken in those activities, and sometimes been the center. All for a bit of fun.
I currently don't have any beef with the mods or administrators of FWS, and don't intend to any time soon.
They wont send any to me, if they do it will be the last message they EVER send.
I agree with this as well. Advertise all you want, but don't spam. And if the mods have a problem with it, fine, that's alright, it's the rules and this is a private forum in which certain people have authority over others and make rules which keep us all in line.
While there have been some decisions that I haven't exactly agreed 100% with, I have seen the issue from both sides, and the mods will win. Which is what should happen in any forum. If the members are allowed to influence what goes on just by using scare tactics and other "shadowy" methods, it will all turn to chaos, and FWS will cease to be an amazing marketplace for hosting and other web-related goods.
I have more, but I'm thinking that was a bit long-winded as it is.
Johnson
May 7th, 2006, 22:15
So, now you call your members Liars?
Good man.
What? If someone lies, I'd call them a liar.
What the mods have to understand is that people see them as royals in a castle giving commands from far up. They barely see any of them and every banning/closed thread is done invisibly without notice. I suggest you appoint more active members from 2001 - 2002 to be mods, who have been here a long time and who will be active and actually talk to the members like people.
*THREAD CLOSED*
What the mods have to understand is that people see them as royals in a castle giving commands from far up. They barely see any of them and every banning/closed thread is done invisibly without notice. I suggest you appoint more active members from 2001 - 2002 to be mods, who have been here a long time and who will be active and actually talk to the members like people.
First time I have ever heard of mods being likened to "royalty" :biggrin2: It is far from a cushy voluntary position. No matter the forum, anyone who falls foul of the rules suddenly sees mods as nazis, power trippers etc etc. where they might never had had a problem with them before. We are members first and formost. We are people just like you.
In case you missed it, we had applications for mods a while back, not a real lot applied and many who did, didn't meet the longevity requirement or some other requirement. Not everyone is cut out to be a mod, you need to be made of tough stuff and able to withstand a heap of mod bashing without falling into a heap. It is and has always has been a thankless job for the most part, but then occasionally we get some praise and that more than makes up for those who slam us for enforcing the rules of the forum.
Mr. Johnson, I understand your concern and that some people only see us that way. It's a perception that's hard to avoid on a forum. There has to be some authority enforcing the rules. We'll try to improve on that point though.
I always communicate with people in a nice way who have a problem with me or the forum, even if they send very abusive emails or pms. If you have a problem with something, don't be afraid to ask me or one of the other moderators. We're here to help.
If you have suggestions for a new moderator that you think will be suitable for the job, let us know. :) We're always interested in suggestions and feedback.
Craig
May 8th, 2006, 04:14
When we were doing the three strikes thing, the member would receive a PM or email titled Warning #1 (or 2 or 3). It was becoming very time consuming emailing or PMing up to 20 times a day.
Ok. But if its in the rules you should contact people, if your not going to use the rule then it shouldnt be there, it counts as not doing your job. If you do something wrong which falls under the 3 strikes & your not emailed but its in the rules then thats wrong!.
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We'll have those parts removed shortly if it hasn't been removed already. It was impossible to maintain as Jan just described. We are trying to get a warning system instead.
Craig
May 8th, 2006, 04:36
We'll have those parts removed shortly if it hasn't been removed already. It was impossible to maintain as Jan just described. We are trying to get a warning system instead.
Yea, the warning system would be much better. I only want the rules to be clear.
X3r0X
May 8th, 2006, 05:46
yep I have received one already from ezhost i believe
Um.. were you referring to me there?
No, it's another member with that username.
X3r0X
May 8th, 2006, 05:54
No, it's another member with that username.
Ah, wonderful :).
Anyway, as far as suggestions go for moderators, how would we go about submitting them? I have a few people in mind...
Pm me or send me an email (http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/sendmessage.php).
Ok. But if its in the rules you should contact people, if your not going to use the rule then it shouldnt be there, it counts as not doing your job. If you do something wrong which falls under the 3 strikes & your not emailed but its in the rules then thats wrong!.
Many thought the three strikes was wrong too ;) But they were banned permanently. That is rarely the case now. A quick temp ban has worked more wonders than an email warning ever did. The majority never made the same mistake again. Those few who did, would get longer next time.
Craig
May 8th, 2006, 06:18
Many thought the three strikes was wrong too ;) But they were banned permanently. That is rarely the case now. A quick temp ban has worked more wonders than an email warning ever did. The majority never made the same mistake again. Those few who did, would get longer next time.
Your missing the point though, if the rule isnt going to be used it shouldnt be there full stop.
It's not a rule. It's just a description of how we deal with members who break the rules. It's no longer accurate and has been replaced. There will be more changes soon when we have the warning system in place.
Very soon right Peo? ;)
No matter the system in place, most people will slam the mods, it seems to be rule breakers general nature in forums the world round. Some take a small tap on the wrist and learn from it, others will lash out and send abusive emails, cuss, start rant threads, or even start hate sites. As a mod at a few forums, nothing surprises me anymore :)
I hope it will be ready soon, yes.
Most users ever online was 1,638, Today at 02:34
We're getting more and more visitors and more and more posts. I'll try to fix this at some other time of the day when the number of users are lower. Maybe today, maybe not, we'll see.
Robert
May 8th, 2006, 11:57
Peo, that's error. I visited the site today, 1,630 times. ;)
Johnson
May 8th, 2006, 19:14
I suggest getting a new Mod with someone who is active and the members know. That way they'll at least have respect for them. Seriously, browse through the active members that have been members for like 4 or 3 years.
So, who do you have respect for? As I said, send your suggestions to me.
Matt8
May 8th, 2006, 22:29
Interesting thread indeed....I see a lot of valid arguments from both sides. Im not going to pick a side per se, because I personally love this forum through all of its bumps and bruises in the past.
And hopefully this wont be too redudant, I dont mean to be beating a dead horse, but I want to throw in my two cents. I personally believe that the mods/admins at this forum have a HUGE responsiblity. A lot of people forget that because of this site, money is spent and customers are both made and lost. If we let this site go wild and act like another GenMay\Something Awful or something of the like, all of a sudden it loses its credibility. They have a huge responsiblity to make sure this is a safe, but fun place for both just casual interaction, and business (free and paid). I highly respect all of the mods and the admins, as well as their decisions.
It seems every summer we have a "silly season" on this forum, where we get a surge of new members and things kinda go crazy for a bit, but it is always temporary. At the core this is still the forum that I love, and you all obviously love it as well, otherwise you wouldn't be here.
Im not discouraging opinions or debate, as I feel it is good people get to express their opinions, but remember the hard work that our fine staff puts in to keep this place running smooth.
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Thanks for the support Matt :) Yeah there is a lot of work involved keeping the place reasonably clean. We aren't exactly bored enough to go looking for someone to ban "for no reason" ;)
It seems every summer we have a "silly season" on this forum, where we get a surge of new members and things kinda go crazy for a bit, but it is always temporary.
Thanks for the reminder. *dons some heavy armour for the Northern summer holidays :p
oates151
May 9th, 2006, 08:20
What was the point of this whole post? LOL.. I kinda lost track after the 3RD PAGE OF NOTHING!
Is this post about demanding answers to why HottWeelz was banned?
Is this post about demanding answers to why HottWeelz was banned?
No, now go read the thread :bkick: :p
oates151
May 9th, 2006, 16:14
No, now go read the thread :bkick: :p
How about just closing it since it has gone off topic by a landslide?
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