i think webhosting is on WRONG WAY

[diwaker]

hello

from the last 1 year i have noticed that LOTS of companies are offering BIGGER PLANS webhosting (100 gb , 1500 or unlimited WHAT THE HACK IS GOING ON) i don think a normal website client will use that such large amount of space .
If he wants to use then i m sure those companies will terminate ur acccount by saying that u r abusing the space or bandwidth or server resources WHAT IS THIS ??????

Here are The few webhosts offering BIG BIG PLANS :lol:

Hostdepartment.com
www.lypha.com/
hostmonster.com
godaddy
and there are lots of you will find on ebay or webhosting forums

the thing i m saying if any company offer big space like 150gb and terabytes of bandwidth then why they do not allow the client to use the space the way he want in legal way sometimes they delete the account if u have a large quantity of legal content hosted.

I PERSONALLY THINK THE WAY WEBHOSTING INDUSTRY IS GOING IS WRONG WHAT U PEOPLE SAY??

[fireshark]

I think your --- is on the wrong way.

Dont get yourself tied up about this, just everyone discovered the joy of overselling all of a sudden.

And have you gone down to your local electronics store and noticed how much the HD's hold ve say 3 years ago?

[Matsta]

Yea, think to when you buy hosting, 80% will use there hosting for a personal website and maybe a forum so thats gonna be under 100mb so they dont have to worry about it, though theres 20% who will make arcade sites, file and imaging uploading sites etc. but if you read the fine print youll notice that they say if you use too much server resources they will termiate your account, but dont go for the those guys. Usually by looking at the design if it looks "cheesy" its most likely not going to be a good host

[GamePhreak]

I agree with you. Because the Internet is not regulated in the United States, people can say anything without fear of a false advertisement suit. I'm not saying that the Internet should be regulated, because I don't believe that, but I don't think companies should be abusing that either.

[Wojtek]

Such hosts exist because people think it's the norm.
Have you seen hosting requests lately?
20gb space/500gb bw, 100gb space/1Tb, etc, all for ~5$

If stupid/unknowledgeable people would not sign up for those, they wouldnt exist.
Bring back the <2000 internet. Stuff was realistic then :(

[James]

People have to accept the present state and can only hope to improve it.

[h0ster]

Its because people want huge plans because they think its better value. I was under the assumption that was called overselling? ;)

[h0ster]

Yea, think to when you buy hosting, 80% will use there hosting for a personal website and maybe a forum so thats gonna be under 100mb so they dont have to worry about it, though theres 20% who will make arcade sites, file and imaging uploading sites etc. but if you read the fine print youll notice that they say if you use too much server resources they will termiate your account, but dont go for the those guys. Usually by looking at the design if it looks "cheesy" its most likely not going to be a good host

A lot of people used illegal Template monster (templatemonster.com) templates, to me thats an instant indication of something dodgy. people usually can't edit them properly and it just points out theres something not quite right.

[DonaDonni]

Overselling is just marketing tool

[ganesh.rao]

A lot of people used illegal Template monster (templatemonster.com) templates, to me thats an instant indication of something dodgy. people usually can't edit them properly and it just points out theres something not quite right.

This is one way, I too find out! All sick hosts are too lazy to even make their own website, let alone how bad or good it is. They dont even bother to change the pre-defined prices. Just replace "YOUR COMPANY NAME" with theirs and go!
Thats not the way to go about. If they are lazy to make themselves a template, then... their support services too will be too lazy and slow, apart from their servers!

[TheHostHunter]

There have been unlimited bandwidth hosts for a really long time. Just because hosts are just changing from unlimited to 3,000GB doesn't really mean much, as I'm sure they just pick that number out of the air and run with it.

As long as you research a host and keep backups it doesn't matter if the no name host you signed up with goes under.

[Ahosting.biz]

The best way to get confidence - be honest with customers. It is easy. Just do your work good.

[Jan]

I for one wouldn't even look twice at one of those "megadeal" hosts. I only need 10GB bandwidth, and I pay $10 a month for it happily :) At least I am 99% sure they will be there next month, next year ;) The "megadeal" hosts are the ones with most complaints, whether it be downtime, poor support or general complaints about attitude.

[napoleon]

We can never use that much bandwidth without taking up high system resources.

[Gipo_dinamia]

I think being open to your customers is the best way to attract as many of them as possible.

[fcolor]

Well, overselling and offering unmetered is another way to attract your clients but in some point where the business will go? If you can cover what you offer, that is fine but if have a "point" in you TOS saying that using more than "x" resources means account suspension what we are talking about? The business don't need to be regulated, its OK without any frames to live in but some marketing technics are going far beyond the limits of what hosting industry means after all, right?

Enjoy!
A.

[TSO]

I would have to agree with you. In fact, just this morning, I made the decision to sell off our paid hosting division, which is the oldest part of the company. I'm just sick of competing against unreasonable demands. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I've run out of the desire and energy to do it.

[alley]

It is pretty crazy. There is no way most of us can compete with what the bigger companies can offer as far as web space or bandwidh. But we can offer better support.

[ganesh.rao]

We can never use that much bandwidth without taking up high system resources.
This is one thing for sure! Even streaming videos consume a hell lot of system resources both on client and server side. People dont understand such stuff.

[Marky]

Forums consume a hell lot of resources also, especially clients with 1000+ members

[dubzero13]

most of the "instent" activation ones are not as good as the request one's. i have learned this first hand :)

[iLucas]

We don't oversell, and infact, you can tell by the size of our packages. We only give out what is needed, in an attempt to not give resources that people don't need.

Does anyone remember when it cost 110.00/year to purchase a .com domain? It should still cost that, because it's abused all the time.

Someone purchases a domain, uses it for a month, then cancels. Then, at that point, it'll be locked for 6+ months before it's back in the domain pool.

[moneyballs2]

But making domains too expensive will mean there would be less websites and it should not be expensive for people that want a personal website or even want to expand a business online, It would be discriminating against people that can't invest that sort of money into a personal or even a business website.

I myself wouldn't pay out $100+ for a domain and i don't think that many people would want to.

I also agree that big companies offer too much and it adds to people's expectations, It's odd because some hosting companies charge stupid prices like $20 pm for 500MB's space, but they advertise more and get people that don't know they can get a better deal elsewhere. Whereas these companies that oversell are doing the opposite. Do you get what i mean?

[iLucas]

But making domains too expensive will mean there would be less websites and it should not be expensive for people that want a personal website or even want to expand a business online, It would be discriminating against people that can't invest that sort of money into a personal or even a business website.

I myself wouldn't pay out $100+ for a domain and i don't think that many people would want to.

I also agree that big companies offer too much and it adds to people's expectations, It's odd because some hosting companies charge stupid prices like $20 pm for 500MB's space, but they advertise more and get people that don't know they can get a better deal elsewhere. Whereas these companies that oversell are doing the opposite. Do you get what i mean?

Discrimination? Do you know what that even means? Mercedes must be discriminating against me, because I can't afford their car. Seriously, think before you speak.

You wouldn't pay that kind of money, simply because you obviously don't want it bad enough. I mean, even if they price were doubled, or even tripled, there would be less sales, meaning less wasted domains. I do think the price of domains should double or triple, making it harder for "kids" to purchase a domain.

I would've more than likely paid that kind of money for my domain, and it would've forced me to put more time into my investment.

[AMC]

that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard ! have you even considered just how fast the internet is growing ? it is IMPOSSIBLE, and i mean IMPOSSIBLE to stem the rush.

Think about it, .com domains are the most popular domains, and yet that is only because they are afforable, how many .tv domains do you see ?

all you would do by raising the .com domains price is de-value it, and something cheaper lke .net or .info would rise and take its place. simple as that, your view is a little naive anyway, the point of the internet is universal access and communication, its just as much some little kids internet as it is yours.

maybe they should solve this problem by having an international authority that regulated the internet ( to a degree ) based upon an internationally agreed upon set of rules.

AMC

[alley]

I agree with moneyballs on this one. Big business would love to just snipe all of us underdogs out if you gave them the chance. The internet, domains, and web hosting must remain affordable to all or most of us would just be able to watch and not participate. Plus the consumers would have no chance at getting a better deal and very little choices because big business would have no competition.

Right now us small time web hosts are the "Mom & Pop" stores of the internet. Spread the money around to the small guy and help put food on his/her table. The big companies already have millions of dollars and don't need anymore and this is why they will not value you as much as a client either. They don't need you and they make tha quite appearent with the support they usually provide.




But making domains too expensive will mean there would be less websites and it should not be expensive for people that want a personal website or even want to expand a business online, It would be discriminating against people that can't invest that sort of money into a personal or even a business website.

I myself wouldn't pay out $100+ for a domain and i don't think that many people would want to.

[iLucas]

that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard ! have you even considered just how fast the internet is growing ? it is IMPOSSIBLE, and i mean IMPOSSIBLE to stem the rush.

Think about it, .com domains are the most popular domains, and yet that is only because they are afforable, how many .tv domains do you see ?

all you would do by raising the .com domains price is de-value it, and something cheaper lke .net or .info would rise and take its place. simple as that, your view is a little naive anyway, the point of the internet is universal access and communication, its just as much some little kids internet as it is yours.

maybe they should solve this problem by having an international authority that regulated the internet ( to a degree ) based upon an internationally agreed upon set of rules.

AMC

It wouldn't devalue anything, if all domain extensions were to raise in price. Those "little kids" do have the same exact right to the Internet as I do, however, would they be willing to pay out for a domain? No, they wouldn't, thus keeping another domain open in the domain pool, instead of being wasted by some kid.

They have as much right as I do to the Internet, but they should also have to pay the same price that I do.

[AMC]

why would they waste it, again you generalise...

and of course it would de-value the .com domains as the most used extension, people are always gonna go cheaper and the cheaper will become more and more widely used until it is more popular than .com and you have the same issue all over again.

[moneyballs2]

They have as much right as I do to the Internet, but they should also have to pay the same price that I do.

Your right, nobody has any more right than anybody else but..

Kids that purchase domains do different things. they might want to do hosting, a jokes site, a forum or even just have a page with pictures. Why should they have to pay lots of $$$'s to do something like that.

I'm confused with the same price thing....kids do pay the same price as you $8-10 per year for a .com. If somebody puts more money and effort into a project it doesn't mean the kid has to pay $$$'s too because they are doing something different that doesn't need as much investment.

If you meant something else by paying the same amount as you please disregard this post.

[fireshark]

That doesn't make any sense. Thats like saying theyre applying for a loan, theyre younger and itll go to a startup so we should charge them less interest.

[iLucas]

why would they waste it, again you generalise...

and of course it would de-value the .com domains as the most used extension, people are always gonna go cheaper and the cheaper will become more and more widely used until it is more popular than .com and you have the same issue all over again.

If what you say is the case, then the .info extension would be the most widely used, but still, people prefer .com, as it's more professional.

- Lucas

[AMC]

i think hes saying that kids use and waste useful domains that he would like to have, but if he tries as he is suggesting to slow this by raising the price out of a kids price range then he will, in effect be shooting himself in the foot, as the kids will start to buy the cheaper option, which will then become more popular, and more people still will buy it, until the .com becomes obscelete and he has the same problem all over again, just with a different extension ( as he is most likely going to stick to buying the most popular/widely used extension)

EDIT: seeing your above post i will see you have totally missed the point, the only reason that .com is considered to be proffesional is because it is the most widely used, if that changes then it ceases to become of any value on the front of the proffesional image of your site ( .com isnt special its just another 3 letter string :P )


P.S. whoever keeps giving me rep, thank you very much :) but you have to say whether you actually approve or dis approve for it to have any effect... :P:) jk

[dubzero13]

.net is the second most pop i think :)

[brutetal]

I think its,
.com, .net, .org, and .info.

[AMC]

not the point, with a lot of registrars .net is cheaper than .com and would become more popular i.e more proffesional if people raised the price of .com extensions.

[aloha2]

This is one way, I too find out! All sick hosts are too lazy to even make their own website, let alone how bad or good it is. They dont even bother to change the pre-defined prices. Just replace "YOUR COMPANY NAME" with theirs and go!
Thats not the way to go about. If they are lazy to make themselves a template, then... their support services too will be too lazy and slow, apart from their servers!

[vishi]

This is what we normally think "Open to your customers" but these overselling hosting companies doesn't think so.... and even the customer doesn't think twice before taking their service. Why can't they understand from where on earth the hosting company will bring so much of bandwidth and the web space. And even if they got it from anywhere, how will they be able to provide the technical support to them without earning from them!!!

Isn't it a big question?

[Fahrenheit]

This is one way, I too find out! All sick hosts are too lazy to even make their own website, let alone how bad or good it is. They dont even bother to change the pre-defined prices. Just replace "YOUR COMPANY NAME" with theirs and go!
Thats not the way to go about. If they are lazy to make themselves a template, then... their support services too will be too lazy and slow, apart from their servers!
I agree. It seems to me thatmost companies consist of one person. That person works as support as salles etc. I think that all forums are plenty of them. They provide low prices and crazy oversell.

[radnam]

Overselling never helps you no matter what you try do do and how many resources you have, so dont lie to your customers and give them only what they want from you.

[shib]

they have to compete with the larger companys that oversell.

[Fergal]

I think that way hosting industry is going is not wrong. This unlimited and free hosting will survive till people believe them. Only when ALL people will say that they do not want unlimited or free, then everything will be changed.

[eg0_]

I must be stupid, but I just didn't understand why some people think that .com domains should be more expensive. You think if you'd price domains so that they'd be unreachable to the common folk it would be better off and you compare this to the Mercedes-Benz brand which is pursued to be luxority item. Get a clue.

Creating your personal website shouldn't be a luxority item that only the upper classes (in value of money they posses) of society should have access. A lot of work of common folk has been put to Internet such as all the open-source projects etc so why should these people be denied to have access to create their own domain/website?

If you are so desperate to show your social status by your Internet domain then just lobby the decision-makers to create dot snob and price it up to too-much-and-bit-more.

Internet markets should remain competetive, so us average Joes or "kids" as you kindly put it, could create our own domains and host family pictures there.

[goblin77]

You know people like .com and appreciate it very much. I think it's more in human mind that .com costs more then any other extensions.