Wanna know the most popular board used for

[krakjoe]

Post2Host sites that use a forum please vote here, my life depends on it !

if it's one you don't see mention it please ...

[Jan]

Why does your life depend on it? :S Is someone gonna shoot you if you don't use their preferred choice?

IMO if you are running the show, choose what you are most comfortable and/or familar with. You are doing the backend work not those that want hosting.

[J J]

IPB ;)

@Jan: I think he wants to find out, so he can develop his post to host scripts; and see which forum is the most used. - And for example if he finds that vBulletin is the most used; he will develop a post to host script to work with that specific message board.

krakjoe.info - (http://krakjoe.info)that's where you can see his script I believe ;) (http://ipb.krakjoe.info/)
(http://krakjoe.info)

[krakjoe]

I figure theres no point in devloping a software that no one will ever use, so I'd thought I'd ask.

Clearly, no-ones life depends on it, I was just trying to get ppl to answer ....

[Megaphile]

Vbulletin all the way, Its more reliable and securer than IPB

[Mole]

MyBB & SMF is used alot..not as much as Vbulletin and IPb but used alot.

[Starcraftmazter]

My choice is phpbb

IPB - crap & buggy subscription handling. Not open source, hence insecure. Possibly the most insecure of all the choices. Few mods & skins.

vBulletin - buggy subscription handles, although more secure than IPB, still nowhere near as secure as open-source alternatives. Contains a nice amount of features, but is let down by the huge cost.

SMF - Most buggy of all. Awkward skins. Fairly secure. Not as many features.

MyBB - Very nice, secure and clean. I like it a lot. Unfortunately, not as big of a community as....

phpbb - the power of open source, means it's very secure, it has plenty of features, although I prefer to think of vanilla phpbb as a "base" you can make into anything you want using the countless hundreds of mods and skins available.

Olympus (phpbb3) is an absolute rocker, which will send vBulletin and IPB out of business easily. Don't miss out on it by using a different forum, beta3 is available, and the RC can't be too far away :)

[royal_titanium]

is it good [now] to use olympus ?

(by good I mean safe and not very buggy)

[fireshark]

phpBB: has no truck with the notion of 'CSS' or 'web standards' at all (XHTML? huh? what happened to <font>?)

[Starcraftmazter]

is it good [now] to use olympus ?

(by good I mean safe and not very buggy)

No!!!! Buggy or not buggy, safe or unsafe, they will probably not provide upgrade paths from the current beta version, just like they didn't with the previous betas.

I remember one guy who offered phpbb3 hosting, when it was in beta1...I told him what an idiot he was, and now there's no way for him to upgrade to the latest. Oh boy, did he get owned!


phpBB: has no truck with the notion of 'CSS' or 'web standards' at all (XHTML? huh? what happened to <font>?)

Thats gotta be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

css, xhtml and web standards have nothing to do with phpbb. It is template specific.

[Darknight]

Vbulletin all the way, Its more reliable and securer than IPB

I agree Vbulletin

[krakjoe]

In my opinion, phpBB is way more buggy than any other forum I ever used, you have to install a thousand mods to have it work the way you want it too, I don't like it, it just feels bloated :S

I reckon out of the open-source forums, the best by far is MyBB, it's easy to work with, administrate, use, code for, it's all round well written, that's because they have 5 writers ( or something ), all thinking the same way, but phpBB, they have 100's of developers that all wanna get thier ideas in in every single release, hence the bloatedness.

To the person that asked if it was okay to use a beta software, the answer would be no, not if you care about your site, it's more trouble than it's worth, install it in a sub-dir have a look, but because it's beta the next version may be totally incompatible with the version you have, loadsa things might and most probably will change, and then you'll be back at square one when they announce that someone has found an exploit and they release a security update whiich is inevitable.....

[h0ster]

The thing is, if it's open source can't people work exploits in easier?


Plus phpBB has none of the advanced features of VB or IPB, most of all things like RSS and FastReply.

[krakjoe]

yep theres that too, but then IPB and vB aren't encoded, so exploiting them is just as easy .....

[Starcraftmazter]

In my opinion, phpBB is way more buggy than any other forum I ever used

IPB is much worse IMO. I've never noticed any bugs in phpbb, except a few versions earlier the quoting didn't work properly. But it took me like 2 mins ot fix that.


you have to install a thousand mods to have it work the way you want it too, I don't like it, it just feels bloated :S

Thats contradicting. If you have to install a thousand mods, you must mean it has few features, which is the opposite of bloated.


I reckon out of the open-source forums, the best by far is MyBB, it's easy to work with, administrate, use, code for, it's all round well written, that's because they have 5 writers ( or something ), all thinking the same way, but phpBB, they have 100's of developers that all wanna get thier ideas in in every single release, hence the bloatedness.

Thats also false.

phpbb has about as few developers. phpbb3 was written by 3 people, and in the last few months they added 2 more, because they wanted it done quicker.


The thing is, if it's open source can't people work exploits in easier?

Also false.

With open source, phpbb has hundreds of thousands of people looking for bugs and exploits. vBulletin and IPB couldn't compete if they hired 1000 developers.

This makes the phpbb codebase MUCH more secure.

And if you want to hack a forum, getting either vbulletin or ipb source code is dead easy. In fact I have both on my comp right now. Not that I use it. I just have it to prove a point - it's very easy to get if you want it.


Plus phpBB has none of the advanced features of VB or IPB, most of all things like RSS and FastReply.

It's called quickreply, and it's very easy to add. Or you could use easymod, which would add it automatically.

[krakjoe]

I spose it's down to the individual, which is why I started the thread / poll, all I know is the only forum software ( that's free ) that I ever installed without having to add or change anything is MyBB and when I install a board that's what I want, I don't want to spend my time uploading and download files, editing and finding, making backups and all that rubbish, I want to open the board pick and start using it, if I install a program, and then have to change 20 odd files to install mods that should be there from the off, then that's bloated, definately.

phpBB's codebase is no more or less secure than IPB or vB thier source code is available for all of them, nothin is compiled, so if you put your mind to it you can hack any of them as easy as the next. Possibly because phpbb actually allow free downloads of thier source code they are at a disadvantage, but once the code is infront of you, it's all the same.

[Starcraftmazter]

No No No - phpbb is more secure! Didn't you read anything I said?

Anyway, regarding MyBB, it's definitely the best choice after phpbb (imo), so if you prefer a less hands-on approach, then definately MyBB is best for you.

[acoole]

PHPBB Sucks =P bugs
vBulliten is good but slow
IPB's Good and nice
Mybb Nice.
SMF Good but bugs


I Would use ethier Mybb, SMF or IPB.

However im working on my own Forum Software Called "SFEF"

Simple Fast Easy Forum.


Thanks,

[Starcraftmazter]

Dude...IPB is like the worst of all.

[coolkat]

Off course, vBulletin is the best because it's license is way more expense than any other forum software. Also, vBulletin is not much more secure and hackers don't have an easy way of getting into vBulletin's core. Regardless of the fact that people null this software, I would say vBulletin is the best.

And why is MyBB even trying? LOL, I mean the competition is already so tight and they just want to star their own package?

[Starcraftmazter]

Off course, vBulletin is the best because it's license is way more expense than any other forum software.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Truly remarkable logic.

[Fried]

Here's what I think, even though I don't own a free web host.


phpBB: Easy to install. It's easy to get support. There are more templates for it. Thousands of people develop mods and add ons for it. It's open source and friendly to use. I have encountered NO bugs are NO exploits so far.
IPB: The interference isn't friendly (I don't like it), it's more 'sharp' and the Admin CP is hard to use for people who aren't experienced.
SMF: It's extremely similar to proboards, which is disgusting. I don't like it all, specifically the header of the forum. The skins aren't that good either.
VB: VB is brilliant. It's the best for me. It's very pricey, but it's got some very good features, and I've noticed no bugs so far.

[JonnyH]

I use phpBB because to me it's easiest to use. SMF is nasty, ugly and slow. On mine now so far I have 11 Mods installed on the forums, all installed by Easymod. I can't wait for phpBB3 to get past its Beta stages because I favour it over all the paid boards. You can get really get some decent mods for phpBB i've got Arcade Mods, Stores, Quick Reply, Cash, Disable Post Count Increase in certain forums, Ad Banners in between posts, Seperate Stickies etc.

[P_007]

Simple Machines Forum.

[ZoomCities]

try myBB :)

Zac

[J J]

Hm...with Phpbb I've seen more hacking 'attempts' and 'hacked' sites been done to peoples boards who have uploaded a phpbb forum.I mean I've used phpbb, but I've not liked the actual interface in my own opinion and I have had a board hacked that I had administered; people used it and managed to put a hacking 'tag' (some turkish hacking group) along while hacking our phpbb support forum so we quickly changed to another forum software we haven't received a single problem - this is from my experience, so I find that phpbb is very insecure. If vBulletin was less secure than phpbb then I'd think less people would be using vBulletin especially big forums as they're more prone to being attacked.

[[ih]Demetris]

It all boils down to what you are looking for each user likes something different about each forum software. I personally prefer vBulletin because of its features and security thats written in..with IPB you have to mod it to do half the things that vbulletin can do by default. And the mods if you have to install them require minimal actual code modding becuase of the plugin system they have in place.

And just to add vbulletin doesnt have the most expensive license..that would be IPB :)

[Brian]

You forgot about YaBB - I use it for my post to host: It's very feature rich.

[AMC]

Yabb is good, but its quite simple.

Guys this has become a software bashing session. When in the end all software does some things better than others.

- IPB doesnt have few mods, check out invisionize.com :P also if its kins you want i can give you just over 5000 ( beat that :P:P)

IPB is more secure than phpbb, as phpbb have the major disadvantage of being free, which any hacker with half a mind can download the source code, however if he/she wishes to do this he has to spill out over $160 for an IPB/VB liscence


note: whoever said it, vB isnt the most expensive IPB 2.1.7 was infact priced at $185 ( to vbs 160)

[Starcraftmazter]

IPB is more secure than phpbb, as phpbb have the major disadvantage of being free

Beeing free is never a disadvantage.


which any hacker with half a mind can download the source code, however if he/she wishes to do this he has to spill out over $160 for an IPB/VB liscence

Dude....I HAVE THE IPB SOURCE CODE AND I NEVER PAID FOR IT. It's just dead easy to get.

Why can't you understand, that IPB is just as easy to get as phpbb, and that ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE with half a brain, let alone a hacker, can EASILY obtain it.

You got any idea how many people upload nulled versions of ipb to their hosting account with us? It happens almost every day. And these people aren't even hackers, they don't even know how to create a mysql database.

THAT'S how easy it is to get ipb, without paying a cent.

[AMC]

Im sorry , but we just DONT need another basher on this forum, why cant people respect other peoples opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as to the point of the thread, it was merely to acertain if KJ would do well to customise his script for any other boards , hes already done it for IPB so he isnt going to change it .

In the ed it isnt your money, why do you care how someone chooses to spend it

[Starcraftmazter]

I don't care about anything, but if someone preaches something which I think is complete rubbish, I feel it's my duty to say so.

[AMC]

yes however, would it not be far better to say your peice and have done with it rather that keep on argueing when so many are evidently of oposing opinions to yourself, to myself and others you could be preaching rubbish, it all comes in roundabouts, and while respect your ability to state your opinion and defend it to a point, nothing is achieved by attacking others opinions in a futile attempt to convert them to your point of view, when they should of course be able maintain their own. This is further aggrivated by the fact that you are completely unable to offer any proof of your point, while i admit this is hard to do, as it is impossible to come a conclusion as to a correct answer, it would help enormously if you offered perhaps some examples of the features set phpbb3 apart from its premium counter-parts.

Furthermore an arguement is only truly valid at the point when you acknowledge faults that will of course exist in phpbb and also advantages that one might gain from utilising IPB (of which there are of course several, whether you like IPB or not). If you had presented your point in this manner and had therefore shown some semblence of balance in your barrage then i would have been more accepting of your statements ( and i know many others think the same)

Instead, you merely post again and again, repeting the same base message without the glossary of any facts/figures or other data. It is as if you think that by simply saying something enough, others will come to accept it as their own personal truth, THIS IS NAIVE.

I suggest before you begin to further criticise others and their scripts/work you take into consideration all the factors which i have presented to you. Then we can argue:P (though possibly over something that has a little more importance :beer:)

Regards,
AMChost

[Starcraftmazter]

You think I've got it bad? Not long ago, people who said the earth was round were burned at the stake, longer ago people who claimed the earth was not in the middle of the universe were burned at the stake.

They had many people who's opinions were different to them.
So did Lenin, yet he never gave up, did he? And nor will I, for I believe I am right.

I don't really care about all this, as I said, but if you're going to say rubbish like IPB Is more secure, on the grounds that it's not open source, which has got to be the stupidest logic I've ever heard, then I will protest your opinions, regardless of how widely held they may be.

As for evidence...I don't know, would you like me to post a link where you can download IPB for free? I don't think that's allowed.


By my view, opensource is better than propriety by a near infinite distance, and I will not accept that IPB is better than phpbb at anything. Maybe it has SLIGHTLY more features out-of-the-box than phpbb2, however with a few simple mod installs or phpbb3, that is no longer the case.


I do present facts, maybe you are just too ignorant to acknowledge them.
Fact: Open Source software is always more secure than propriety software.
The proof of this is simple, you have millions of programmers helping to find and fix security problems, whereas in propriety applications, you have a tiny team.

[Jovial]

well u did it u are true
hackers and crackers are different
hackers observe source and help fix probs in softwares
they have contributed a lot to the development of softwares
but crackers are idiots

[AMC]

Well, im not gonna keep argueing, as it seems most points which i presented in my last speech were evidently ignored :P

By the way, using Lenin as a role model, might not be a good thing, by rather a few people he was considered to be deranged


longer ago people who claimed the earth was not in the middle of the universe were burned at the stake.

Technically the earth is at the center of the universe, same as everything else :P

[Starcraftmazter]

By the way, using Lenin as a role model, might not be a good thing, by rather a few people he was considered to be deranged

I'm very happy for those people, but Lenin was one smart man, and if they don't like him, they can go and tell someone who cares :cool2:


Technically the earth is at the center of the universe, same as everything else :P

Well, seeing as how we don't know how big the universe is, nor where it begins or ends, we can't really say that, now can we?

About your points, none were ignored.

[AMC]

the earth is at the the center of the universe,

it is possible to observe this as all matter ( with the exclusion of orbitary patterns, i.e the solar system) moves away from the earth at an equal rate, when combined with the big bang theory this in effect allows us to conclude that the earth is the centre of the universe,

however, alrmingly, the same is true of every other place in the universe. :S

its kinda hard to explain as im no teacher, but the universe doesnt have a center, because it is the center, like i said it makes no sense, but then, things on that scale never usually do :P

Oh and as to your views on lenin, i didnt say he wasnt a genius, there have been many mad geniuses, while i dont agree with communism, i can tolerate it as long as undue suffering is not caused :)

[amz]

Plus phpBB has none of the advanced features of VB or IPB, most of all things like RSS and FastReply.
Apparently you haven't visited our phpBB2 forums! :P

[JonnyH]

There are mods which are so easy to install there automated. Ours has alot of mods on there.

[Starcraftmazter]

the earth is at the the center of the universe

Please tell me you're not serious. There isn't a shred of evidence which supports that theory. Talk about being egocentric.


it is possible to observe this as all matter ( with the exclusion of orbitary patterns, i.e the solar system) moves away from the earth at an equal rate, when combined with the big bang theory this in effect allows us to conclude that the earth is the centre of the universe

Things aren't actually moving away from us, the universe is expanding.


its kinda hard to explain as im no teacher, but the universe doesnt have a center, because it is the center, like i said it makes no sense, but then, things on that scale never usually do :P

So then why did you claim we're at the center?


Oh and as to your views on lenin, i didnt say he wasnt a genius, there have been many mad geniuses, while i dont agree with communism, i can tolerate it as long as undue suffering is not caused :)

Excellent :beer:

[AMC]

I cant explain it, but the earth is technically at the center of the universe, there is more than enough evidence to support this theory, check out gcse physics

[Starcraftmazter]

Thats impossible, because the universe doesn't have a center!

[Blade1941]

IPB and PHPBB are very buggy.
vBulletin costs loads of cash.

MyBB is one of the best I think, and I have used it a few months now ;)

[cmartin]

vBulletin, no questions asked. IMO, it is the most feature-rich, versatile, and stable forum software available. Sure, it costs a good amount of money, but hey, it's quality software. :-) Plus, in the long run, you won't regret it.

Chris

[postess.com]

I have a forum board using PhpBB and it freakin rocks. Its good because it is Open Source and tons of people making templates and themes. So many layouts to choose from and it has lots of add-ons. I haven't really used other ones, because PhpBB seems to have it all. This is just my suggestion, PhpBB rocks IMO....:beer:

[neoflash]

I have not personally owned a website with a forum till now, but I have been helping my friend in development of his website and I think SMF and phpBB are quite good. especially phpBB due to its ease of use and skinning.

If you want to go paid, nothing can beat vBulletin.

[iLucas]

I used phpBB for quite sometime, until I came across SMF. I'm currently using SMF, and couldn't be happier.

phpBB doesn't have the basic features, and when you request something in the community, it sometimes takes days before it's changed/fixed.

The phpBB community is big, but they just don't have the support that I want.

[thedarkknight]

phpbb is really good. But the final version of smf {v1.1.1} simply rocks. I used to think phpbb was the best but now i am an smf freak and i love it.

So in my opinion if you are looking for a good & free forum software that gives even the pricey paid ones {Vb & IPB{i hate IPB}} a run for their money go for SMF 1.1.x {or phpbb}

[rabara]

i use smf, lots of "professional designs and simple". I just can't find a professional design and simple (can you look for me ^_^) but about in the mod part, it stinks lol. also its very buggy in my part but its next to paid for me. i just need to get a free simple and professional design to make me go to phpbb

[JonnyH]

I like phpBB because of it's open source. They're is a vast amount of mods for it.

[AMC]

yeah, this topic is old ( sighs as he remembers the great arguement he had here, but im afraid, that php is always going to be free and therefore more of a communities development tool rather than a REALLY proffesional bussiness alternative,

[aloha2]

phpBB's codebase is no more or less secure than IPB or vB thier source code is available for all of them, nothin is compiled, so if you put your mind to it you can hack any of them as easy as the next. Possibly because phpbb actually allow free downloads of thier source code they are at a disadvantage, but once the code is infront of you, it's all the same.

[Starcraftmazter]

phpBB's codebase is no more or less secure than IPB or vB thier source code is available for all of them, nothin is compiled, so if you put your mind to it you can hack any of them as easy as the next. Possibly because phpbb actually allow free downloads of thier source code they are at a disadvantage, but once the code is infront of you, it's all the same.

What is it about open source that you don't understand?

If we have 3 codebases, where 1 is checked by thousands more programmers than the other 2 combined, it HAS to be more secure.

Nobody is claiming that any forum software is 100% hack-proof, but phpbb is more so, because there are more people helping to spot security problems.

It's a very easy thing to understand :evilb:

[iLucas]

What is it about open source that you don't understand?

If we have 3 codebases, where 1 is checked by thousands more programmers than the other 2 combined, it HAS to be more secure.

Nobody is claiming that any forum software is 100% hack-proof, but phpbb is more so, because there are more people helping to spot security problems.

It's a very easy thing to understand :evilb:

There are more people helping spot security flaws, but on the flip side, there are more people hacking it because it's open source. :beer:

[Starcraftmazter]

There are more people helping spot security flaws, but on the flip side, there are more people hacking it because it's open source. :beer:

Forums don't get hacked because the underlying software is widely used or because it's "easy", or for any other such reason.

They get hacked because the community/owner isn't liked by the hacker.

[iLucas]

Forums don't get hacked because the underlying software is widely used or because it's "easy", or for any other such reason.

They get hacked because the community/owner isn't liked by the hacker.

You should let iSkorpitX (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=iSkorpitX&btnG=Google+Search) know that, because he does it just because that's what he enjoys doing. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking anyone.

[aloha2]

Yabb is good, but its quite simple.

Guys this has become a software bashing session. When in the end all software does some things better than others.

- IPB doesnt have few mods, check out invisionize.com also if its kins you want i can give you just over 5000 ( beat that )

IPB is more secure than phpbb, as phpbb have the major disadvantage of being free, which any hacker with half a mind can download the source code, however if he/she wishes to do this he has to spill out over $160 for an IPB/VB liscence

[Starcraftmazter]

Dude, any script kiddy can get IPB source.

The difference with phpbb is, too many people are helping to make it secure, which is why it's more secure.

Open source is an advantage, not a disadvantage.

[iLucas]

Dude, any script kiddy can get IPB source.

The difference with phpbb is, too many people are helping to make it secure, which is why it's more secure.

Open source is an advantage, not a disadvantage.

There are many people to support phpBB, however, there are just as many people hacking it, because it's open source. Open source is great, but phpBB really isn't that much better, when it comes to security.

phpBB is the most hacked bulletin board software to date.

- Lucas

[Starcraftmazter]

phpBB is the most hacked bulletin board software to date.

And where is that statistic from?

Regardless, per capita, I'm sure IPB/vBulletin would take first place by far.

[iLucas]

And where is that statistic from?

Regardless, per capita, I'm sure IPB/vBulletin would take first place by far.

Personally, I've never seen a hacked vB or IPB. However, I've successfully hacked phpBB myself. Well, upto 2.0.11, anyway.:usflag:

[Starcraftmazter]

Well it's 10 whole updates later, so 10x more secure :P

I've seen many IPB and vBulletin hacked, including that of a friend of mine who used to run a hosting bus. He used IPB, and he got hacked, so he quit hosting business.

As for vBulletin, probably the biggest vBulletin forums I've seen hacked was a starcraft hacking site (ironic isn't it?).

They both used latest, but that didn't help.

[iLucas]

Well it's 10 whole updates later, so 10x more secure :P

I've seen many IPB and vBulletin hacked, including that of a friend of mine who used to run a hosting bus. He used IPB, and he got hacked, so he quit hosting business.

As for vBulletin, probably the biggest vBulletin forums I've seen hacked was a starcraft hacking site (ironic isn't it?).

They both used latest, but that didn't help.

We'll just agree to disagree. All software is hackable, and the lesson to learn from this is backup your database weekly.