gonzohosting.net WTF!!!

[Tracker]

Read this its a msn chat i had with the owner of gonzohosting.net'


B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
hey check out gonzohosting.net n tell me wat u think

T®Å©KÈ® says:
where u getting the hosting from?

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
umm

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
i cant disclose dat info

T®Å©KÈ® says:
lmao

T®Å©KÈ® says:
good luck

T®Å©KÈ® says:
your overselling like a -----

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
Yup

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
ma prices high?

T®Å©KÈ® says:
no

T®Å©KÈ® says:
there to low for the ammount of space your offering

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
i no wat u mean

T®Å©KÈ® says:
on a normal server if you were to sell 2 of the gold plans your server is full

T®Å©KÈ® says:
your overselling like a son of a -----

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
yup

T®Å©KÈ® says:
lmao

T®Å©KÈ® says:
and you dont have your own name servers

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
uh-huh

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
im gonna fix ir

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
actually i do

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
ns1.gonzohosting.net

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
ns2.gonzohosting.net

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
let me remodify page

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
QuICK!

T®Å©KÈ® says:
gotta go

T®Å©KÈ® says:
later

B.Knuckles that ----- who makes them gyals chuckle!~ says:
ok


Now would you want to buy hosting from them?

I am not trying to put other hosts down here but I thought ide warn all of you here at freewebspace.

[iLucas]

Did you know?
The average user only uses 9% of what they buy, and they continuously buy that quota.

I'm not stating it's alright to oversell, because it's bad business practice, but he more than likely, won't run out for awhile.

[Craig]

I'm not stating it's alright to oversell, because it's bad business practice, but he more than likely, won't run out for awhile.

WRONG!!, Its GOOD business practice *if you can handle it*, there are many ways in which to monitor such usage & it can easily be controlled, if you know how ;).

Don't knock it until you know what it actually means :-).

[Cram]

A little bit of overselling can be alright for anyone, but when it becomes obsessive it becomes worse and things become unstable IMHO.

[Brandon]

A little bit of overselling can be alright for anyone, but when it becomes obsessive it becomes worse and things become unstable IMHO.

Wrong. I can think of a few WAY overselling examples off the top of my head. Dreamhost is one, been with them for a while, only 9 users on my server, and used almost the full amount of space, which grows every week. They do overselling pretty well. 1and1 is a different story.

[Tracker]

I can understand a little overselling but what he told me today was he dosent even have the space for one of the 90gig plans. Call me dumb here but as a host would you oversell that bad. And as a buyer would you buy from someone that over sells that bad?

[ganesh.rao]

Firstly I ain't gonna buy anything from that kind of host. Not just because of his overselling, because of his attitude towards a potential customer.

Secondly, I would suggest overselling (if you are going to) to be multiplied onto 1.75 of your current system config. Not like 80x500 (HDD), thats outrageous!

[Paul]

depends how you decide to oversell, if you have smaller plans with a higher cost your are setting that image, however if you offer plans the size of the server at $5 prices, Of couse its going to be oversold and abused meaning its not going to last

Edit:

The Terms Of Services dont contain anything about over hogging: http://gonzohosting.net/policies.htm, With that level of english I was surprized they could fill out the domain application form

[Craig]

Its simple, I can get a 500GB hard drive for 120GBP, I can get a 500GB hard drive if I import it for 60GBP. Overselling can be managed these days as hard drives are cheap, server load has nothing to do with overselling (well a little maybe). Server load is controlled by connections, traffic etc etc etc which can be managed by limiting each account to a certain % of the CPU. Same goes for MySQL.

[Wojtek]

I can get a 500GB hard drive if I import it for 60GBP.
Can you also import bandwidth for half the price your colo sells it to you? :p

[Craig]

Can you also import bandwidth for half the price your colo sells it to you? :p

Funny enough I can, best I get is 15GBP per 1mbit which is good enough (for UK anyway).

Doesn't come from China though :p

[DavidsAwesome]

I love watching these threads to see whos overselling.

Yes, its a business practice that will ensure that your business is successful. However, its also dangerous if used like godaddy. Also, if the host doesn't understand it, they cannot do any better. For example, Craig mentioned that he can go buy another HDD... but the guy at gonzo hosting didn't mention anything about that. He seemed like a moron to me.

Anyways, moral of the story is....

Don't buy hosting from a company with improper pricing, or a "sales technician" that doesnt know proper english. (lol i'm one to talk... my writing probably looks worse than his right now :P)

[influct]

gotta love ff with built in spell checker:D

[RavenServers]

Overselling can be managed these days as hard drives are cheap, server load has nothing to do with overselling (well a little maybe).

It has everything to do with overselling, as oversellers tend to not only oversell storage resources, but use inferior machines. Overselling is simply placing users on servers with insufficient quotas to cope with absolute usage. Oversellers very often place too many users on a single server.

I am sorry, but I disagree with your statement whole-heartedly. I have heard so many horror stories about all of the above-mentioned companies due to overselling. Yes, when you are a small company, you can manage it effectively. I however disagree as soon as the business grows large.

I don't want to flame anyone or start an argument, so I will stop here.

Best wishes
RavenServers

[Craig]

It has everything to do with overselling, as oversellers tend to not only oversell storage resources, but use inferior machines. Overselling is simply placing users on servers with insufficient quotas to cope with absolute usage. Oversellers very often place too many users on a single server.

I am sorry, but I disagree with your statement whole-heartedly. I have heard so many horror stories about all of the above-mentioned companies due to overselling. Yes, when you are a small company, you can manage it effectively. I however disagree as soon as the business grows large.

I don't want to flame anyone or start an argument, so I will stop here.

Best wishes
RavenServers

Lol, what you have just said is ridiculous am sorry to say.

If you limit usage on such services like MySQL, Apache etc etc it can be managed very well. It isn't matter if your big or small. It becomes more easy when your larger as you have the money to put back into the system.

Example, 1&1, worlds biggest provider, they oversell yet I don't see them going anywhere, its mostly the start-ups that fail with overselling & close down as its the only way to compete until your established & known unless you have the funds, but, many new providers don't & they find themselves coming into the overselling market which is fine if you can manage it.

5-10 years ago this wouldn't of happened, now computer parts are cheap, bandwidth is cheap, I mean, you can buy a new servers from Dell for under 400GBP, 5 years ago it would cost thousands.

[apthost]

Overselling is easy. Have you ever heard of Dreamhost or Hostgator? I'm sure you have and with Hostgator raising their alloted disk and bandwidth space there is no doubt they both oversell. They however happen to be a couple of the most popular hosting companies on the planet today. Overselling works just great if you know how to manage it, if you've been selling and accounts have been coming in and you reach maybe 80% of your disk space, get a new hard drive, full that up to say 50% and get a new server. The ignorant hosts who forgot that they need to upgrade their server or get a new server are what gave overselling it's bad name

[Tracker]

I can understand some overselling but from what gonzohosting has told me is he dosent even have the space for 1 account to be full. With one of the biggest account he sells then he will be over his space by 20gig. I think that is what he told be. If you ask me overselling is a bad practice and should not be done by any host. Dosent matter if you can manage it or not. Its like Burger king selling you a wopper but they dont have enough and they figure your only going to eat 10% of that wopper so they will just resell the other parts of it. Dosent make any sense does it?

[DavidsAwesome]

theres really no good way to describe it that i've found yet.

its just horrible though :(

I'll admit that overselling can benefit the host and be good for competition and pricing and whatnot, but its pretty clear to me that the users don't appreciate it, which is why we chose a long time ago not to oversell any services on our server.

[Tracker]

theres really no good way to describe it that i've found yet.

its just horrible though :(

I'll admit that overselling can benefit the host and be good for competition and pricing and whatnot, but its pretty clear to me that the users don't appreciate it, which is why we chose a long time ago not to oversell any services on our server.

Im with you on that. If the customer cant accept it and goes with an overseller host they will learn fast

[Itprotj]

ROFL That Host's website Looks like crap, All the images are missing. How unprofessional. No offence.

[heymrdj]

While overselling helps to reduce prices, I still have to look at the fact that when you buy something, its yours. And when I buy it, I want ALL of it. None of this "you've used your allotted CPU minutes"' crap, you give me the space and bandwidth that you said I would be given.

[Darknight]

Its simple, I can get a 500GB hard drive for 120GBP, I can get a 500GB hard drive if I import it for 60GBP. Overselling can be managed these days as hard drives are cheap, server load has nothing to do with overselling (well a little maybe). Server load is controlled by connections, traffic etc etc etc which can be managed by limiting each account to a certain % of the CPU. Same goes for MySQL.

Yes,
It dont matter the size of the account really.
If you abuse cpu usage on a shared server anywhere your going to get your --- kicked BUT
selling 250GB space for 5.00$ and stuff like that is going to far
And the massive oversellers sell 2TB of bandwidth knowing that the client couldnt use it without killing the cpu :))))))))))))
So thats when it becomes wrong.

[Archbob]

Actually there have been many complaints about dreamhost lately and many customers are reporting that hostgator's customer reponse times have gone up.

[Eclouds]

That's evolution ;)

[James]

Did you know?
The average user only uses 9% of what they buy, and they continuously buy that quota.

I'm not stating it's alright to oversell, because it's bad business practice, but he more than likely, won't run out for awhile.

Where did you get that figure from? Back it up properly..