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[stuffradio]

Hmm, I find this really cool for all of those who are still to noob to install Ubuntu on there own!

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4611592451.html

[themoose]

Pretty cool. Personally I can't wait until linux becomes the norm.

[Decker]

Nice one, I'm going to have a play with that when I get time too :)

[[JSH]John]

That's pretty cool, it'll be useful for people that have always wanted to try linux but don't want to go through burning the disk and trying to install it.

[Darknight]

:|
Its easy enough as it is

I did it today never done it befor

took me 24 hours to download ubuntu 1 hour to install and im using it now

Dualboot etc

Anyway point is I knew nothing about dualbooting etc and was up within 1 hour

Why do they need this :S

[stuffradio]

Wow... 24 hours? Took me 2 hours to download it :D

[bigperm]

2 hours? I downloaded the live cd in about 10 minutes.

[stuffradio]

it wasn't the livecd, it was the full thing

[bigperm]

I am under the impression that the live CD was the full thing. Considering that I am posting from Ubuntu right now and all I used was the live CD.

[Nug]

This is great
giving it a go..

[Ben]

Despite having a reputation of being an oldschool distro, I found Slackware 10.2 to be incredibly easy to install and set up. Not using it right now, I'm on my notebook and I'm afraid to touch this with all of my music, games, etc.

[utcrazy]

You seem to be doing a lot of these "post a link and comment on it with a few sentences" threads these days.

[AMC]

ce quio ?? anway nice, im trying it out now
:)

[[ih]Demetris]

I am under the impression that the live CD was the full thing. Considering that I am posting from Ubuntu right now and all I used was the live CD.

Your correct my friend the Ubuntu install disk is the live cd as well and it takes me about 45 minutes to get it via torrent..

[stuffradio]

You seem to be doing a lot of these "post a link and comment on it with a few sentences" threads these days.

Well.... everyone else seems to be doing, I might as well join in teh fun!!!111 :p

[Archbob]

Pretty cool. Personally I can't wait until linux becomes the norm.



Your going to have to wait a long time -- like an eternity maybe.

[themoose]

I'm not so sure. Linux has really been taking off since early 2006.

[Archbob]

Yeah, but the average home user doesn't care about linux. They want something thats simple to use, and thats windows. Unfortunately Linux is mainly for the tech-savvy, I doubt it'll ever have the desktop share windows has. Windows is just easy to use. It has its faults sure, but in general it works pretty well. I've never had any serious issues with it and XP hardly ever freezes(I don't remember it freezing actually) on me. For me Linux is for hosting as all my websites run on Linux where windows is for everyday use on the desktop. I've seen and tried a few linux distros, still don't like any of them as much as windows.

[Adam]

Until someone takes Linux, creates their own apps for it, own desktop environment, cuts out open source aps and makes it easy for the average user it won't be a significant part of the desktop market. Right now, Mac OS X is the only desktop operating system besides windows that can claim a significant part of the desktop market.

[Ben]

Until someone takes Linux, creates their own apps for it, own desktop environment, cuts out open source aps and makes it easy for the average user it won't be a significant part of the desktop market. Right now, Mac OS X is the only desktop operating system besides windows that can claim a significant part of the desktop market.

How exactly is cutting out open source apps going to help GNU/Linux on its way to the top? And there are plenty of desktop environments that are incredibly customizable, namely FVWM, that someone could modify to their own ends if they wanted to create a windows-like desktop environment (or Mac OS X GUI-clone, which FVWM can be good at)

I think Linspire has the right idea, despite the fact that they charge. Or do they charge still? I haven't looked at it in a while, but it's definitely geared towards "technology is scary"-minded people.

[tandoc]

I'm not so sure. Linux has really been taking off since early 2006.

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/8327/1090/

2003 - It's the year of the Linux desktop!

2004 - It's the year of the Linux desktop!

2005 - It's the year of the Linux desktop!

2006 - It's the year of the Linux desktop!

2007 - It's the year of the Linux desktop... again?

[stuffradio]

Ubuntu is getting quite user friendly actually :)

[Decker]

All you can do is try it :)

Linux is getting more friendly but admittedly if you called one of your mates to say I'm having a problem getting this game to run then tell him your setup they'd probably hang up on you .....

[squah]

no, no, no,
this is linux, not windows, so i don't want it. Ubuntu rlz :D

[stuffradio]

no, no, no,
this is linux, not windows, so i don't want it. Ubuntu rlz :D

Ummm.... I don't get it? :S

[influct]

There is potential for this to be the year of the linux desktop, but i doubt it.
the hope comes when large corps are pressured to upgrade to windows. the costs involved are horrific, and if they discover a free alternative considerations may be taken. The problem is that windows is now so deep rooted in organizations that switching is pretty much impossible/expensive.
feel free to correct me if im wrong.

[Yellowmc]

I am currently using Ubuntu and I must say, it's quite easy to use. Obviously, you need to have a brain but what's so difficult about it?

[stuffradio]

not much difficulty, however you do need to know some basics about Linux... maybe a bit more than basics to get it running well :)

[Dini]

I have Windows + Ubuntu on my desktop PC and Mac OS on my iBook. From all three, I stay with Mac. And it's a very real opinion since I use all of them

[Archbob]

I've used all three at some point or other. I still like Windows. Linux isn't bad but its still annoying at times and both Linux and Max lack that amount of applications and games that Windows has.

I hear Linux gaming isn't too hot these days.

[stuffradio]

I use Linux for like web server stuff, anything server related really.... Windows for my gaming, and homework. Mac I don't use :)

[Ben]

I've used all three at some point or other. I still like Windows. Linux isn't bad but its still annoying at times and both Linux and Max lack that amount of applications and games that Windows has.

I hear Linux gaming isn't too hot these days.

Well, Cedega has been developing into a stable little program for windows games emulation from what I hear.

Costs money, though. So I've never used it.

[stuffradio]

I think there is a trial for it. Can't remember because I haven't looked in to it in a while

[Ben]

I'd also like to add that I just switched my Slackware box to Debian-Testing, and it runs wonderfully (slack felt "old" and it bothered me). Had a few seemingly complex problems with very simple solutions (edit this or that config file on a single line, etc ... damn you, X Windows!). IMO, it's going to be quite a while before Linux is mature enough for the typical computer user. Yet there is Linspire ....

I feel like such a nerd.

[ISHosting]

i've run several linux systems for my home computer in the past, started off with redhat, then fbsd, then went back to windows for a while for gaming, but recently setup an extra partition for ubuntu as i was hearing good things..

the ease of install compared to other distros is amazing
although it is very much linux for the average windows user lol

[Archbob]

Well, Cedega has been developing into a stable little program for windows games emulation from what I hear.

Costs money, though. So I've never used it.



And there's the problem, why would I run Emulate Windows on Linux, when I can just run Windows? Its not like every computer seller doesn't ship Windows with the computer.

[Darknight]

Yeah Im back on windows now,
I like unbutu BUT why would i bother making everything 10 times harder to install and use when I allready have enough to do? LOL
Hence Im back to windows 99% of the time

[stuffradio]

Why don't you install Ubuntu on a spare computer?

[Darknight]

If that was to me,
First I need a 2nd computer :P

Well I have one its a ----box I use to share internet
But getting that modem to work on linux is really hard
ISDN modem of sorts, you need to do alot of crap to get it working :P.

[stuffradio]

the great thing about linux is a crappy box is still awesome for Linux! :p

Especially if you just want to play around with it and try it out.

[Starcraftmazter]

You'd have to be a pretty bloody big noob to not be able to insert a CD into the CD drive, restart the comp, and double-click on "Install".

Regardless, how does it deal with windows and NTFS?

[jmiller]

Exactly what are the advantages on Ubuntu over another Linux distribution ?

[stuffradio]

The point of the easy use they are getting. It's almost as easy to use as Windows if not easier :p

[Decker]

Agree with stuff, the team that develop it have put a lot into making the desktop version more user friendly :)

[Darknight]

You'd have to be a pretty bloody big noob to not be able to insert a CD into the CD drive, restart the comp, and double-click on "Install".


Agreed.

[Kwek]

I installed Ubuntu Dapper long ago lol, and used it for awhile. I haven't upgrade it to Edgy yet lol, might do it soon but I think it will take too long as it has been long since I last touched Ubuntu. Alot of updates to install. :(

Anybody who wants to install a Linux system should at least know how to burn a bootable disc and install it lol. Else they will just be wasting their time IMO.

[Decker]

I installed Ubuntu Dapper long ago lol, and used it for awhile. I haven't upgrade it to Edgy yet lol, might do it soon but I think it will take too long as it has been long since I last touched Ubuntu. Alot of updates to install. :(

Anybody who wants to install a Linux system should at least know how to burn a bootable disc and install it lol. Else they will just be wasting their time IMO.

Don't agree, the 'installer' runs and allows others to experience a *nix OS, and if it's where they learn to burn one eventually then great.
Some don't know or feel comfy about downloading 4 CD's or a DVD full, so cut some slack. :)

[Darknight]

What are you 2 talking about?
Ubuntu's live cd is one cd (700mb) and it installs the full ubuntu if you ask it to as well.

[Darknight]

Just relised,
We are talking about that gay installer arnt we LOL
No slack cutting allowed decker, :P
its one cd and if you cant burn one image file to disk and put it in and reboot theres something wrong.

[Decker]

The online download as you go installer - the first bit of the post - which allows total new intro to *nix, no slack on newbies ;p. Bet you were born with a shell book in your hand ;p
It's a great idea to get folks into Ubuntu, so great seling tool. Plus gets folk into *nix as well :D

[Darknight]

Yeah I had a blank moment wondering wtf was going on then relised,

Its a good idea I "spoz" but its really simple enough to install the live cd :\

[Kwek]

Don't agree, the 'installer' runs and allows others to experience a *nix OS, and if it's where they learn to burn one eventually then great.
Some don't know or feel comfy about downloading 4 CD's or a DVD full, so cut some slack. :)
Well maybe you're correct... ;)

[stuffradio]

haha yeah, linux/*nix awareness is growing every year. I don't suggest it for your main computer yet, as many people still like to use windows for gaming, audio/video editing, etc.

but soon.. soon it will become a great personal computer too! It'll be fun when companies start developing games to support linux too :p

[Starcraftmazter]

Lol you can edit video and sound on linux, as a matter of fact the open source community is working on the best video editor in the world atm, just because there wasn't one for linux (which beats the rest, as all linux software).

[Darknight]

(which beats the rest, as all linux software).

:lol: not yet, mabye soon but not yet!

linux has a long way to go befor it will beat windows.

[Starcraftmazter]

Ummm no, linux is already better than windows in every single way.

[Darknight]

So like, Your saying over 50% of normal computer users are lieing?
ok.
What you mean is this: You like linux more.
I like windows, I like linux too, To me they both have there uses!
I do bag windows, But I also bag linux
Windows has far more security issues
Linux is crap at installing desktop type programs,
Its easy if its a package!
Eitherway,
I dislike some things about linux and I dislike some things about windows!

To sit there and say "linux owns windows" is just silly If that was true EVERYONE would be using it. :classic2:

[Starcraftmazter]

So like, Your saying over 50% of normal computer users are lieing?

I wasn't aware that a billion people were surveyed on the subject, let alone that 1/10000000th of them know what they're talking about.



What you mean is this: You like linux more.

No, linux is better than windows - and thats why I like it, not the other way around.


I like windows, I like linux too, To me they both have there uses!

Yes, if you ever want to install an OS on a computer, only to have a virus on it 5 mins later, XP is your OS.


Linux is crap at installing desktop type programs,

Pure rubbish. Linux downloads, installs, configures and updates all software automatically, now I'd like to see windows try and do that.


To sit there and say "linux owns windows" is just silly If that was true EVERYONE would be using it. :classic2:

That's a stupid argument.

By your logic, everyone should be exercising at least 1 hour every day, and donate a significant portion of their income to charity, use green energy, participate in community programs helping the environment, etc.

But not EVERYBODY does that though do they? Even though it's obvious even to them that it's the right thing to do.

[Decker]

Lol you can edit video and sound on linux, as a matter of fact the open source community is working on the best video editor in the world atm, just because there wasn't one for linux (which beats the rest, as all linux software).

Just blown your own argument, and the 'best video editor in the world' is relative to which part of 'editing' your involved in. The Amiga had the crown for that years ago and it's still difficult to shift. The Video toaster and associated software was available for the Amiga only then MS, the code was then released publicly, so if the Linux world hasn't done anything with it yet to give it the 'best video editor in the world' then what does that say? Still not supported enough/as much to make it the all encompassing system you always go on about Starcraftmazter, your constant bleating is really getting boring, you are incapable of backing up what you say, you just chuck random 'linux is the best for everything' in at any opportunity. :P

[Starcraftmazter]

No, I can support what I'm saying, as I have, but I know nothing about video editing since I never do it, that's all.

Linux is obviously better, it's more secure, more stable, installing and maintaining apps is easier, it's faster, it has more features, etc.

[Wojtek]

If linux is oh so great for everything, find me Cubase, Live and Reason clones for it. Those are the 3 leading audio development apps for windows/mac.

[Decker]

See there you go again
I can support what I'm saying, as I have - no you haven't.

but I know nothing about video editing since I never do it - so what qualifies you to proclaim the
best video editor in the world
The rest of your post is your usual ramble.
Hands up all those tired of this type of useless OS bashing :wave:

[Darknight]

Please exlucde spelling mistakes in the followingf post as im very drunk,

First who are you to decide that linux beats windows??
I havnt had any spaware adwrae or virus for like 12+ months so that takes the ---- out of your 5 min time thatr evenly it takes to get a virus using xp
(we all know if you look a n909bish porn sites you get cvirus;s)
Anyway I think its foolish and chilcish to bag a whole OS over its fults all OS's have there fults inclduing linxu
ANd how the hell is it easy for a n00b to compile source codes?

[Archbob]

Actually linux has just as many holes as windows and it goes down pretty easily. I use linux as my webserver and trust me, there's holes in Linux.

The reason it doesn't seem to have as many is because not nearly as many people try to hack linux as windows.

[stuffradio]

No, I'm pretty sure Linux has less holes than Windows. Linux is open source, lots of people look at the source. They find security holes, and plug em.. hence it makes it more secure :o

[Starcraftmazter]

See there you go again - no you haven't.
- so what qualifies you to proclaim the
The rest of your post is your usual ramble.
Hands up all those tired of this type of useless OS bashing :wave:

Just because I know nothing about video editing software, doesn't mean that I can't make the claim that the best one is being developed.

Now as for the rest of my post being "ramble", mr Decker, and for the fact that you want proof,

Linux Stability: All (good) webservers run linux, if you did a survery of webhosts here, 99% of them run linux, google runs linux, etc.

Linux Security: Kernel is utterly secure, permissions & groups system unmatched, look at how many viruses there are for linux, and them compare to windows.

Linux Features: Linux pioneered technologies like XGL, linux has workspaces, permissions, package managers, comes with c compilers. Windows has NOTHING.

Linux Speed: Takes up HEAPS less resources. Linux kernel is so light, it can be ran on anything. Even a bloody calculator.
When I used windows, it was constantly hogging all of my ram, and I couldn't do squat.
Now, I constantly have 20-30 things open, and never have to restart my computer, and still, I've never seen the memory usage reach even 80%

Linux Ease of Use: Nothing is easier than Linux. You don't have to go though crappy driver setups, connection setups, configure everything to bits - it does everything automatically and just works.
If you want to install something, you don't have to look all over the bloody internet for it, download it, install it, configure it, only to find out some time later you need to go through the entire process again because there's a new version.
Linux has package managers, which do all this and much more automatically.
Everything is helpful, colourful, practical and makes sense.
Windows is just utter BS.


How can you explain that EVERYTHING that's good is made for linux? Apache, PHP, MySQL, BIND, etc.
It's all made for linux then ported to windows. Why do you think that is?

Why do you think smart people use linux? Why do you think hackers use linux? Why do you think Google uses linux? Because it looks pretty, and has many different desktop environments unlike ugly windows?

The only thing Microsoft is good at, is reverse engineering linux and other open source technologies and incorporating them into their crappy software.


Just admit it, you are wrong, wrong as wrong can be - wrong.

[Kwek]

Just because I know nothing about video editing software, doesn't mean that I can't make the claim that the best one is being developed.

Now as for the rest of my post being "ramble", mr Decker, and for the fact that you want proof,

Linux Stability: All (good) webservers run linux, if you did a survery of webhosts here, 99% of them run linux, google runs linux, etc.

Linux Security: Kernel is utterly secure, permissions & groups system unmatched, look at how many viruses there are for linux, and them compare to windows.

Linux Features: Linux pioneered technologies like XGL, linux has workspaces, permissions, package managers, comes with c compilers. Windows has NOTHING.

Linux Speed: Takes up HEAPS less resources. Linux kernel is so light, it can be ran on anything. Even a bloody calculator.
When I used windows, it was constantly hogging all of my ram, and I couldn't do squat.
Now, I constantly have 20-30 things open, and never have to restart my computer, and still, I've never seen the memory usage reach even 80%

Linux Ease of Use: Nothing is easier than Linux. You don't have to go though crappy driver setups, connection setups, configure everything to bits - it does everything automatically and just works.
If you want to install something, you don't have to look all over the bloody internet for it, download it, install it, configure it, only to find out some time later you need to go through the entire process again because there's a new version.
Linux has package managers, which do all this and much more automatically.
Everything is helpful, colourful, practical and makes sense.
Windows is just utter BS.


How can you explain that EVERYTHING that's good is made for linux? Apache, PHP, MySQL, BIND, etc.
It's all made for linux then ported to windows. Why do you think that is?

Why do you think smart people use linux? Why do you think hackers use linux? Why do you think Google uses linux? Because it looks pretty, and has many different desktop environments unlike ugly windows?

The only thing Microsoft is good at, is reverse engineering linux and other open source technologies and incorporating them into their crappy software.


Just admit it, you are wrong, wrong as wrong can be - wrong.
I don't think Linux can run on a calculator. ;)

Most webservers used Linux because it is most suitable for webservers, but that does not necessarily means that Linux is better. I suppose the way Linux is designed makes it easier for webservers. And who says good webhosts doesn't run Windows Server too? I've seen alot of webhosts providing Windows hosting and also seen clients looking for Windows hosting.

Helpful? On Ubuntu, I wonder how long I took to upgrade the bloody Firefox. I am pretty new to Linux at that time. If it's helpful, it should provide some directions. The package manager wasn't updated with the latest Firefox at that time and I had to ask on Ubuntu's IRC support channel.

Just pointing out some of the points which I do not really agree. I can't say much for the rest of them since I am not exactly that 'professional'. But I think I have the rights to express my views. I am not trying to bash Linux or whatever, but it isn't really that good as some people described it out to be.

[Starcraftmazter]

I don't think Linux can run on a calculator. ;)

I wouldn't be at surprised if it in fact can.


Most webservers used Linux because it is most suitable for webservers, but that does not necessarily means that Linux is better. I suppose the way Linux is designed makes it easier for webservers. And who says good webhosts doesn't run Windows Server too? I've seen alot of webhosts providing Windows hosting and also seen clients looking for Windows hosting.

Yeh, n00bs who use ASP and MSSQL.
Google uses Linux and MySQL, and I think that says it all.

And you need to look at the underlying principles. Why is linux better suitable for webhosts?
Linux is very secure, with the right settings it can stop many attacks which windows is prone to, just because it has no permissions & groups system.

Linux, is just completely different from windows, it is designed to be secure, and it is....it is VERY secure.


Helpful? On Ubuntu, I wonder how long I took to upgrade the bloody Firefox. I am pretty new to Linux at that time. If it's helpful, it should provide some directions. The package manager wasn't updated with the latest Firefox at that time and I had to ask on Ubuntu's IRC support channel.

Ubuntu is a LTR (6.06), if you want the latest things, go with the 6.10 one, it will always have the latest.

Personally, I just dl firefox from their site like I would on windows. But I always am using beta/alpha software anyway. I use gaim beta, firefox alpha, goina install php 6 cvs, etc.

Most applications like firefox come with linux installers, which are like windows installers. Very simple.


Just pointing out some of the points which I do not really agree. I can't say much for the rest of them since I am not exactly that 'professional'. But I think I have the rights to express my views. I am not trying to bash Linux or whatever, but it isn't really that good as some people described it out to be.

It pays off in the long term, not in the short term.

I'm sure when you first started to use a computer (which I suspect had windows on it), you didn't know how to do much either.
Well this is very similar, but many basic things are the same.

It will take time, but in a few months, you'll be able to do anything you want on linux....just give it time. It's an entirely different OS, which works in a drastically different way to windows, so you shouldn't expect to ace it anytime soon.

But like I said, it pays off in the long term. You never have to worry about security, and constantly purchasing expensive software, keeping stuff updated, etc.

Linux lets you run wild with everything you want to do, because it takes care of or is free off all the problems of windows, which require you to spend hours working on, like security, maintenance, updating, etc.

[Kwek]

I wouldn't be at surprised if it in fact can.



Yeh, n00bs who use ASP and MSSQL.
Google uses Linux and MySQL, and I think that says it all.

And you need to look at the underlying principles. Why is linux better suitable for webhosts?
Linux is very secure, with the right settings it can stop many attacks which windows is prone to, just because it has no permissions & groups system.

Linux, is just completely different from windows, it is designed to be secure, and it is....it is VERY secure.



Ubuntu is a LTR (6.06), if you want the latest things, go with the 6.10 one, it will always have the latest.

Personally, I just dl firefox from their site like I would on windows. But I always am using beta/alpha software anyway. I use gaim beta, firefox alpha, goina install php 6 cvs, etc.

Most applications like firefox come with linux installers, which are like windows installers. Very simple.



It pays off in the long term, not in the short term.

I'm sure when you first started to use a computer (which I suspect had windows on it), you didn't know how to do much either.
Well this is very similar, but many basic things are the same.

It will take time, but in a few months, you'll be able to do anything you want on linux....just give it time. It's an entirely different OS, which works in a drastically different way to windows, so you shouldn't expect to ace it anytime soon.

But like I said, it pays off in the long term. You never have to worry about security, and constantly purchasing expensive software, keeping stuff updated, etc.

Linux lets you run wild with everything you want to do, because it takes care of or is free off all the problems of windows, which require you to spend hours working on, like security, maintenance, updating, etc.
Updating software sure is easier, but I am not sure about security.

Yes I started with Windows... I was pretty young at that time. Windows is much easier to learn than Linux, so it is better for newbies. Linux can do more advanced stuff when you fully master it, however it does take time.

About the installers' part, Windows installers are much easier. I had to follow a guide to use the installer for Firefox.

I won't say much though, since I am not exactly that good at Linux. However, I do not think it is as "godly" as you made it out to be.

Oh by the way, just because Google uses Linux, it does not means Linux is the best. It is just their personal preference, they find Linux easier for their needs.

Once again, I meant no offence by my post. Treat me as a newbie or whatever you want, but I just felt like expressing my views in regard to your post.

[Starcraftmazter]

Updating software sure is easier, but I am not sure about security.

Not sure about security.....let me tell you something.

Last time I installed windows - the second, THE SECOND I booted it up for the first time, I got the sasser virus, and had to disc it from the net (comp), format and reinstall.

Yesterday we were installing windows on some comps in school (I was installing suse), and all the computers that were plugged into the net, IMMEDIATELY got the sasser virus.

This is how ---- and insecure windows is. So what about linux?

I've been running it for 3 months now, without any firewalls or anti-virus or anything, and I haven't had any security problems.

Ok?


Yes I started with Windows... I was pretty young at that time. Windows is much easier to learn than Linux, so it is better for newbies. Linux can do more advanced stuff when you fully master it, however it does take time.

Okey see, that's totally wrong.

How can you possibly say, that Windows is easier to learn from scratch, if you've never tried it yourself?
There are people, who DO in fact learn linux from scratch, and they find it VERY easy.
Everything on linux is significantly easier than windows - significantly, there's no need to ever configure or set up anything, search for anything, know anything, linux does everything you could possibly want automatically.

You could give linux to the most computer-illeterate person ever, and it'd work great, because they would not have to do ANYTHING, everything would just work out of the box, first time, every time. They would never need to take their computer to the PC shop because of viruses or spyware or crashed HDs or whatever.

And of course has advanced features for people who want to do it all or some of it themselves.


About the installers' part, Windows installers are much easier. I had to follow a guide to use the installer for Firefox.

BS, linux package managers, click and go.
As for installers, idk what installer you used, but linux installers are one-click setup. Firefox, Realplayer, etc - one click install
Maybe you were installing it manually for some reason, idk.


I won't say much though, since I am not exactly that good at Linux. However, I do not think it is as "godly" as you made it out to be.

It's above Godly. It's perfect in every way possible. It's God's modern-day gift to humans.


Oh by the way, just because Google uses Linux, it does not means Linux is the best. It is just their personal preference, they find Linux easier for their needs.

Personal preference my behind. Google uses it, because it's the fastest and most reliable.

Google is by far the best search engine, their market share is huge, and they have the best services like gmail. Why do you think Google is so successful? Why do you think linux is their personal preference and not something else?
Put the two together for God's sake....


Once again, I meant no offence by my post. Treat me as a newbie or whatever you want, but I just felt like expressing my views in regard to your post.

I don't feel offended.

[Archbob]

I don't know what the hell your doing with windows. I've been using it for years and I've never gotten any viruses. I've also used windows and installed them on other machines, I've never had a problem with Viruses. The only time I've seen people get Viruses/spyware is when they don't know what their doing and download something that had it attached.

There are Viruses for Linux, just not as many. You know why? Because no one bothers to write viruses for linux, not because its bullet proof. Using Linux as a webserver, I know there are holes in the Kernal and those holes have to exploited before, thats why there's patches all the time for the different versions of Linux being used as webservers. The Kernal is not flawless(I've had trouble with it on webservers) and the permissions, like windows, can get you in trouble, if you don't know what your doing.

Star, I've been running windows for years now mostly without the firewall(although its always smart to have a firewall up) or anything else and I've never had a problem either.

Linux, like windows, has its share of problems, its not flawless and its not God's modern-day gift to humans. For webservers I prefer Linux because I'm used to the LAMP setup, although ASP.NET is attractive so I do have a shared windows account.

In a recent study by PC magazine, it was found that Linux had just as many security flaws as windows while reporting that MAC OSX and FreeBSD were significantly safer than Linux or Windows.

By the ways MSSQL is a little better than MYSQL, but most big companies usually use Oracle. MSSQL has a few handy function that MY doesn't. For my purposes right now though, the two are identical.

[stuffradio]

I don't think Linux can run on a calculator.

If it has a computer on it, you infact can put linux on it. They've put Linux on Stoves, Toasters, Fridges, etc. all the ones that have computers on it ;)

[Wojtek]

Linux Ease of Use: Nothing is easier than Linux. You don't have to go though crappy driver setups, connection setups, configure everything to bits - it does everything automatically and just works.
Haha, that's funny you know. Last time I installed linux on my computer I had to install a windows driver wrapper to make my wireless card work with it. And then wrestle for hours to configure the damn thing.

[Decker]

Give him the bits one or 2 at a time - it's obviously all to much for his calculator to handle.
1.
Google uses Linux and MySQL - I think you'd better research that one a bit more.
2. My first linux desktop went south as X wouldn't recognise a basic gfx card, had to manually set everything and even then it bailed on login.
3. 'star' your doing a great job of looking a complete plank! Much better than linux could have did it....................

[Nug]

I wouldn't be at surprised if it in fact can.



Yeh, n00bs who use ASP and MSSQL.
Google uses Linux and MySQL, and I think that says it all.

And you need to look at the underlying principles. Why is linux better suitable for webhosts?
Linux is very secure, with the right settings it can stop many attacks which windows is prone to, just because it has no permissions & groups system.

Linux, is just completely different from windows, it is designed to be secure, and it is....it is VERY secure.



Ubuntu is a LTR (6.06), if you want the latest things, go with the 6.10 one, it will always have the latest.

Personally, I just dl firefox from their site like I would on windows. But I always am using beta/alpha software anyway. I use gaim beta, firefox alpha, goina install php 6 cvs, etc.

Most applications like firefox come with linux installers, which are like windows installers. Very simple.



It pays off in the long term, not in the short term.

I'm sure when you first started to use a computer (which I suspect had windows on it), you didn't know how to do much either.
Well this is very similar, but many basic things are the same.

It will take time, but in a few months, you'll be able to do anything you want on linux....just give it time. It's an entirely different OS, which works in a drastically different way to windows, so you shouldn't expect to ace it anytime soon.

But like I said, it pays off in the long term. You never have to worry about security, and constantly purchasing expensive software, keeping stuff updated, etc.

Linux lets you run wild with everything you want to do, because it takes care of or is free off all the problems of windows, which require you to spend hours working on, like security, maintenance, updating, etc.
NO, google use Google OS

[themoose]

NO, google use Google OS

Which is based on linux.. or is it BSD?

[Keagle]

Give him the bits one or 2 at a time - it's obviously all to much for his calculator to handle.



LOL! Pwnt.

[themoose]

Installing ubuntu in VMWare, doesn't look bad considering it's free. Don't think I'd switch from Vista for it though.

[Blade1941]

So like, Your saying over 50% of normal computer users are lieing?
ok.
What you mean is this: You like linux more.
I like windows, I like linux too, To me they both have there uses!
I do bag windows, But I also bag linux
Windows has far more security issues
Linux is crap at installing desktop type programs,
Its easy if its a package!
Eitherway,
I dislike some things about linux and I dislike some things about windows!

To sit there and say "linux owns windows" is just silly If that was true EVERYONE would be using it. :classic2:

indeed

[Archbob]

Vmware is pretty cool, run really slow at times though.

[stuffradio]

Also starcraft you should also know what you're talking about before you say it.

Yeh, n00bs who use ASP and MSSQL.

ASP is a non Microsoft product. ASP .NET is however. ASP is reverse compatible meaning you can run on either Windows or Linux. MSSQL is a Microsoft Database, but sometimes one of the microsoft database systems is just the best solution.

Stop being a microsoft basher and get on with your life.

[aceonline]

Well i used linux ( edubantu ) it is nice as said its free , but win and macos are better coz they are premium!

[stuffradio]

what do you mean "they are premium"?

[Starcraftmazter]

I don't know what the hell your doing with windows.

Throwing it in a bin, and burning it.


I've been using it for years and I've never gotten any viruses. I've also used windows and installed them on other machines, I've never had a problem with Viruses. The only time I've seen people get Viruses/spyware is when they don't know what their doing and download something that had it attached.

I'm very happy for you, but you don't need to download anything to get a virus on windows.


There are Viruses for Linux, just not as many.

That's an understatement. Not only are there a googleplex times less, you never have to worry about them.
I've been using linux for months without any kind of security software, and had no problems.

With windows, I needed Zonealarm PRO, configured to insane settings, PC-Cillin, configured to insane settings, slowed down my system since it had to scan every file, since viruses could be anywhere, had to update both all the time, specifically the anti-virus, which is a real pain.

Linux? Nothing, don't have to do squat, just not applicable.


You know why? Because no one bothers to write viruses for linux

Yeh, because they wouldn't get anywhere. You can't just write a virus for linux. Where would it copy itself? How could it put itself on startup? How could it send itself to other machines?

It can't, because none of that and more is possible with linux, since it's so secure.

The reason why there are fewer viruses for linux, is because you can't get a virus to do much on a linux box, you just can't. Linux is too secure of an OS.


Using Linux as a webserver, I know there are holes in the Kernal and those holes have to exploited before, thats why there's patches all the time for the different versions of Linux being used as webservers.

All the time? No, that's windows, I can't remember the last kernel patch. Unlike windows, where you get like 100 updates every month. And that's the other thing, M$ doesn't release updates when they can, but only when they feel like it, which means there could be a fix for your problems, but they won't give it to you, because they don't feel like it.


The Kernal is not flawless(I've had trouble with it on webservers) and the permissions, like windows, can get you in trouble, if you don't know what your doing.

You'd have to be literally retarded to not know what you're doing. I could explain permissions to a child in 2 minutes....scratch that - 1 minute.


Star, I've been running windows for years now mostly without the firewall(although its always smart to have a firewall up) or anything else and I've never had a problem either.

I'm very happy for you.


Linux, like windows, has its share of problems, its not flawless and its not God's modern-day gift to humans. For webservers I prefer Linux because I'm used to the LAMP setup, although ASP.NET is attractive so I do have a shared windows account.

ASP is utter crap and slow as anything. PHP is heaps faster.
And trying to compare windows problems to linux problems will get you nowhere.
For every 1000 problems with windows, there is 1 for linux.


In a recent study by PC magazine, it was found that Linux had just as many security flaws as windows while reporting that MAC OSX and FreeBSD were significantly safer than Linux or Windows.

That's because Microsoft paid them to write that.


By the ways MSSQL is a little better than MYSQL, but most big companies usually use Oracle. MSSQL has a few handy function that MY doesn't. For my purposes right now though, the two are identical.

MSSQL is nowhere near MySQL, MySQL 5.1, is as good as Oracle 9i, and nothing comes even close to that, except Oracle 10i.


Haha, that's funny you know. Last time I installed linux on my computer I had to install a windows driver wrapper to make my wireless card work with it. And then wrestle for hours to configure the damn thing.

I assume people won't use crappy wireless stuff. If you want to you install a driver...no big deal, windows does it too, some distros don't require you to, SuSE does it automatically from memory, if you have the wireless-tools package installed, which is a 10 second thing to do, YaST does everything, including configuration.


1. - I think you'd better research that one a bit more.

You do, since you disagree with the truth.


2. My first linux desktop went south as X wouldn't recognise a basic gfx card, had to manually set everything and even then it bailed on login.

In the past, windows didn't even recognise USB devices automatically...what a ----ty thing. Now what's your point?


3. 'star' your doing a great job of looking a complete plank! Much better than linux could have did it....................

Keep up the insults, just shows how scared and insecure you feel.


NO, google use Google OS

.....why do you people know nothing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_platform


Installing ubuntu in VMWare, doesn't look bad considering it's free. Don't think I'd switch from Vista for it though.

You should, Vista is the most insecure OS ever.

Vista's kernel has already been hacked, anyone can place a rootkit on your comp, and you would never be able to find out:
http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,1540,2042641,00.asp


Also starcraft you should also know what you're talking about before you say it.

I do, nobody even uses asp anymore, all of the requests I see are for aspx. When I'm talking about ASP, assume it's ASP.NET, I never have anything to say about ASP, k?


Stop being a microsoft basher and get on with your life.

Ummm....that is my life, ok?


Well i used linux ( edubantu ) it is nice as said its free , but win and macos are better coz they are premium!

Yeh, a premium VIRUS & CRAP MAGNET

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Wojtek]

Yeh, because they wouldn't get anywhere. You can't just write a virus for linux. Where would it copy itself? How could it put itself on startup? How could it send itself to other machines?

It can't, because none of that and more is possible with linux, since it's so secure.

So rootkits for linux are just an illusion right? Afterall, where would it hide itself?



I assume people won't use crappy wireless stuff. If you want to you install a driver...no big deal, windows does it too, some distros don't require you to, SuSE does it automatically from memory, if you have the wireless-tools package installed, which is a 10 second thing to do, YaST does everything, including configuration.

That was on SuSE. Yast detected it allright, but it wouldn't work without the driver wrapper.

[Starcraftmazter]

So rootkits for linux are just an illusion right? Afterall, where would it hide itself?

Umm, I was talking about viruses....not rootkits.


That was on SuSE. Yast detected it allright, but it wouldn't work without the driver wrapper.

Well you installed it, and it worked, I see no problem.

[Wojtek]

Umm, I was talking about viruses....not rootkits.

Not much of a difference. Code a rootkit to actually do some damage and you've got a virus.
Either way a rootkit is still exploiting linux's oh-so-great security, which you seem to be saying is imposible to penetrate :)



Well you installed it, and it worked, I see no problem.
Yes it did. No problem either. It was an example that what you said about linux installing everything automatically is not 100% true.

[Starcraftmazter]

Not much of a difference. Code a rootkit to actually do some damage and you've got a virus.
Either way a rootkit is still exploiting linux's oh-so-great security, which you seem to be saying is imposible to penetrate :)

Getting a rootkit is very hard, or even impossible, somebody has to plant it there on linux, and at least it's (well most of them) are detectable by certain free software, but on windows, it's not even possible to detect them, as is said in the link I posted just above.


Yes it did. No problem either. It was an example that what you said about linux installing everything automatically is not 100% true.

Well if it's something exotic like wireless it may not be fully automatic, but anything mainstream is.

I've never had to manually install anything on linux when I didn't want to (as in specifically manually, rather than auto).

[Decker]

Originally Posted by Decker http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?p=827617#post827617)
1. - I think you'd better research that one a bit more.


You do, since you disagree with the truth.
Maybe you should have googled for the info, maybe if google tell you what they use then you'll believe them, multiple OS & DB systems, including bespoke systems written by google themselves. So they don't run soley on linux & MySQL - shame you we're too thick to look it up.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Decker http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?p=827617#post827617)
2. My first linux desktop went south as X wouldn't recognise a basic gfx card, had to manually set everything and even then it bailed on login.


In the past, windows didn't even recognise USB devices automatically...what a ----ty thing. Now what's your point?
A USB hub and a gfx card are a whole different story, and this was before USBbefore USB was even out, even now hardware often needs drivers/wrappers installed as they are not automatically supported. PS wireless isn't exotic - welcome to the 21st century.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Decker http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?p=827617#post827617)
3. 'star' your doing a great job of looking a complete plank! Much better than linux could have did it....................



Keep up the insults, just shows how scared and insecure you feel.


:lol: intellegent response - not! Get new batteries for that calculator your running linux on, then learn a new word each day (just one don't tax yourself) - todays word 'sarcasm'
Me I'm happy and secure - as are my systems :evilb:

[Starcraftmazter]

So they don't run soley on linux & MySQL - shame you we're too thick to look it up.

I never said they SOLEY run on linux and mysql, I'm sure they don't force what their employees use, but all of their 200,000 servers are linux and their database system for their search engine (and other things too logic would follow) is mysql.


Quote:
A USB hub and a gfx card are a whole different story, and this was before USBbefore USB was even out, even now hardware often needs drivers/wrappers installed as they are not automatically supported. PS wireless isn't exotic - welcome to the 21st century.

No they weren't. I don't know what kind of support linux had for gfx cards in the past.....but it's no worse than windows now. I certainly never needed to install anything.
If you have a high-end videocard, you SHOULD install the proper drivers, but that principle isn't unique to linux.

As for wireless, it's the biggest load of crap, and so I believe it's exotic, because there's no reason why anyone should use wireless if they have a wired option.



intellegent response - not!

Considering that's coming from a person who said,

"your doing a great job of looking a complete plank! ",

It means so much.....

[Decker]

ROTFLMAO First bit - not talking about the employees, talking about google, now you've changed to
but all of their 200,000 servers are linux and their database system for their search engine (and other things too logic would follow) is mysql. still wrong !!!

Second bit - do you read what you write? Already said 'basic' gfx card. Why use wired when wireless does the same job? Can't wait till they take your wires away, what will you use then as
As for wireless, it's the biggest load of crap

You really don't do yourself any favours, go bleat on your site, you don't need MS well they must be gutted, Bill will be crying into his tea. :lol:

[Blade1941]

Anyhow, I tried this application and it didnt work very well. Actually I had to reformate my computer after using it (new XP formate of course).

It messed up some of the files on the computer, even though I did exactly what was told.

[Nug]

I lol'ed at Starcrafts long bashing anything that moves post :D

How you doing decker?

[Starcraftmazter]

ROTFLMAO First bit - not talking about the employees, talking about google, now you've changed to

I didn't change anything, I was under the impression you were thinking about the employees, which I never talked about.


still wrong !!!

I know you're wrong....


Second bit - do you read what you write? Already said 'basic' gfx card.

??


Why use wired when wireless does the same job?

Are you kidding me? Security, Speed, Interference, requirement of batteries in some cases.


You really don't do yourself any favours, go bleat on your site, you don't need MS well they must be gutted, Bill will be crying into his tea. :lol:

?? Most of what you say makes so little sense.


Anyhow, I tried this application and it didnt work very well. Actually I had to reformate my computer after using it (new XP formate of course).

It messed up some of the files on the computer, even though I did exactly what was told.

What's this?

[Decker]

We'll all chip in for a bigger shovel - to help you dig the hole.

Starmumbleteencrapname - making open source and especially linux less inviting if that is the community you'd be joining....

[Wojtek]

Please keep this clean, no name calling :)
I wouldn't want to close this thread

[Blade1941]

Please keep this clean, no name calling :)
I wouldn't want to close this thread

Decker is just kidding..

[Wojtek]

We all know that
I'm just doing my Mod Job :p

[Starcraftmazter]

Starmumbleteencrapname - making open source and especially linux less inviting if that is the community you'd be joining....

That's ok, I don't think we'd want people who resort to insulting and antagonising others, just because they are wrong aka you.

[stuffradio]

Please keep this clean, no name calling
I wouldn't want to close this thread

Likewise :o

[Decker]

That's ok, I don't think we'd want people who resort to insulting and antagonising others, just because they are wrong aka you.

:lol: That's almost ironic comming from you - your word for today 'ironic' :evilb:

Since it's the weekend I'll give you 2 words, the one above and 'lame' as in disabling your own rep and thinking you can give someone else bad rep - the time stamp gives it away you know ;)

So your words are 'ironic' and 'lame'

Homework in by Monday morning.

[Darknight]

Google is by far the best search engine, their market share is huge, and they have the best services like gmail. Why do you think Google is so successful? Why do you think linux is their personal preference and not something else?
Put the two together for God's sake....


Yes, its all becuse they use linux :doh!:
They are so rich now becuse they use LINUX!!!!
That is a pretty stupid comment.

Look at windows and you could say the same
They have 1000s of windows servers
They run hotmail
msn etc
And they as rich as hell!
:evilb:

You also said befor,
It has nothing to do with personal choice,
LIFE is about personal choice, nearly everything we do is personal choice!
Why is picking a OS any differnt?

Alot of the other stuff you posted was about security of servers,
Mabye you should read up on unbuntu
Its basicly a linux for n00bs and was always designed like that!
So all your "server security" stuff & "google owns becuse" stuff really has nothing to do with what is being talked about.

What the people are talking about is,
Windows is a easyer OS to use than linux you dont have to stuff around finding the right drivers for everything or compiling source codes all day long
You click buttons and its done.
If you really truly belive linux is just as easy to do these sorts of things then you really truly know nothing about linux.
Even linux experts say windows is easyer.

[Starcraftmazter]

:lol: That's almost ironic comming from you - your word for today 'ironic' :evilb:

And very hypocritical coming from you.

[JohnN]

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not meaning to butt in, but this thread has degraded into nothing but insults on a personal level.
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[Starcraftmazter]

Yes, its all becuse they use linux :doh!:
They are so rich now becuse they use LINUX!!!!
That is a pretty stupid comment.

Yes, a very stupid comment, and that's why I never made it.
Google isn't the richest, and I never claimed that they got rich using linux.

What I did claim is, their success exists partially because they use linux, and linux is what supports their success.

Not richness, but success. They are they best. Why? They use linux.


Look at windows and you could say the same
They have 1000s of windows servers
They run hotmail
msn etc
And they as rich as hell!
:evilb:

Yeh, they are rich, but they suck. Nothing compared to google.
hotmail totally sucks. msn totally sucks.


You also said befor,
It has nothing to do with personal choice,
LIFE is about personal choice, nearly everything we do is personal choice!
Why is picking a OS any differnt?

What? I didn't, if course it's a personal choice. I never claimed otherwise.


Alot of the other stuff you posted was about security of servers,
Mabye you should read up on unbuntu
Its basicly a linux for n00bs and was always designed like that!

You say that like it's a bad thing.
Ubuntu is one of several distros designed with ease-of-use in mind. Is that a bad thing? Erm....no, it's a good thing.


So all your "server security" stuff & "google owns becuse" stuff really has nothing to do with what is being talked about.

It has everything to do with what we're talking about. It's why linux is the best.

Why do you think google is so successful? Because their choice was linux. Would they have chosen windows, they wouldn't be anywhere near as successful, because they can't change windows in whatever way they like to make it better suited to their purposes, hence why they use linux, because linux is customisable, and google (and anyone else), can make anything they want of it.

Not to mention linux is the most secure OS.


What the people are talking about is,
Windows is a easyer OS to use than linux you dont have to stuff around finding the right drivers for everything

I don't know how many linux servers you manage, but let me be frank when I say, there's no need to install any drivers for anything on a server.


or compiling source codes all day long

This just shows how little you know about linux. You do not have to compile anything. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about, as you seem to be totally unfamiliar with the concept off package managers, so please, withdraw.


You click buttons and its done.

Same on linux. Except it's a lot easier, because it downloads, installs and configures everything for you. Windows can't do that. Especially not from the command line.


If you really truly belive linux is just as easy to do these sorts of things then you really truly know nothing about linux.
Even linux experts say windows is easyer.

Oh I know nothing about linux? I use linux, both at home and on my server. Do you use linux? That's rich coming from you, because you don't use linux, yet you seem to think you know everything about it.

And no REAL linux export will ever tell you that windows is easier than linux, or he/she wouldn't be an expert of any kind. All the experts know that the only future in computing is linux.


<rent-a-modding>
not meaning to butt in, but this thread has degraded into nothing but insults on a personal level.
</rent-a-modding>

Well if Decker could actually argue his point, or at least have something to back it up, he wouldn't need to insult me for every "rebuttal", and could actually say something meaningful to his side of the argument.

[Decker]

Well if Decker could actually argue his point, or at least have something to back it up, he wouldn't need to insult me for every "rebuttal", and could actually say something meaningful to his side of the argument.

I have :P you haven't, just saying it's better because I think it is, is not backing up, take the google OS/DB point can you say yet what they use then? I can, and 'hypocritical', you have your 2 words for the weekend don't overstretch now :shame: you also missed the point on your own site, probably on purpose, your linux driven linux supporting site open for a year but not finished (and you can't get it to work on IE) with nothing on it bar your own tainted opinion on linux being great and MS not being, use your energies wisely and also listen to others, plenty of feedback on your blinkered views on life in this one thread alone.

We've all given an opinion on the thread topic, you just chipped in with your copy/paste logic as usual.

Since your such an self proclaimed 'authority' how about your actual constructive view of the use of the topic OS and the installer.

[Starcraftmazter]

I have :P you haven't, just saying it's better because I think it is, is not backing up

I have provided valid arguments, and you have came up with insults for rebuttals.



you also missed the point on your own site, probably on purpose, your linux driven linux supporting site open for a year but not finished

Which site are you talking about? I have numerous sites, but none of them are half-finished or anything like that, they are what they're meant to be.


(and you can't get it to work on IE)

Can't get what to work in IE? The only site I tested in IE throughout dev is my liway site, and since IE doesn't support standards, and saw that it wasn't displaying it properly, I had no intention of doing anything about it.

Quite frankly, it's not me not being able to make it work in IE - it's w3c compliant and works in every browser - it's IE not being able to support web standards, which have been around for many years.


with nothing on it bar your own tainted opinion on linux being great and MS not being

See, you calling my opinion tained shows how immature you are. How can an opinion be tainted? It's just an opinion, it's not right or wrong - it's just an opinion.

And what's wrong with putting my opinions on my site? After all, isn't that why many people choose to have sites? So that they can express their opinions?

And once again, what site are you talking about? Because I just can't figure it out.


use your energies wisely and also listen to others

I listen to many others, don't get jealous just because you're not one of them.


plenty of feedback on your blinkered views on life in this one thread alone.

Ahhh, so now you are insulting my views on life as well? Any other way you want to insult me, rather than try to prove your point, you navigate away from it, and try and insult me.
I think that speaks stronger than anything.


We've all given an opinion on the thread topic, you just chipped in with your copy/paste logic as usual.

And now you're accusing me of copying and pasting. Really pathetic. Really is.


Since your such an self proclaimed 'authority' how about your actual constructive view of the use of the topic OS and the installer.

I've already stated it. If you're in disbelief, why not go back on the thread and look for yourself.

[Decker]

Your just boring me now.

[Starcraftmazter]

This is exactly what I'm talking about....can't come up with anything so you take it off-subject and insult me in various ways.

You windows lovers are all the same.

[themoose]

You're not even debating anymore, you're arguing.

[Darknight]

I dont have as much time to reply like you and quote everything but..
You keep moving to servers all the time
I think you have proved by yourself linux is only good for servers :)



You windows lovers are all the same.

Most people here arnt windows lovers as you put it.
They simpley grew up and relised its pretty lame to bag a OS when like 60 -80% of home users use it. :lol:
If you can not accept the fact that its personal choice and you still want everyone to think your way, all I can say is good luck with that! :wave:
And I must say you linux kids are all the same!

BAG windows BAG BAG BAG BLA
It really pisses me off and Im not the only one sick of listing to ppl bag windows just becuse they found linux

If you think its cool to be differnt try being emo or something.

[Wojtek]

Facts:
- Linux is good
- Windows in good
- Linux is a good desktop OS
- Windows is a good desktop OS
- Linux is a good server OS
- Windows is a good server OS

Myths:
- Linux has bullet-proof security
- Windows has bullet-proof security
- Linux is more stable then windows
- Windows is more stable then linux

Disclaimer:
By not replying to this post you agree with the above statements :lol: