Going Downhill?

[h0ster]

Does anyone else think it's going downhill here? I've seen people offering TB's of space, honestly. It got worse when there cousin started sying they were 12 years old etc. People offering 500GB B/W? Go to spry.com, look at the VPS's do they all come with 50000GB of bandwidth? Nope.

There's overselling and then theres false advertising. I wonder what would happen if everyone set up a class action law suit against hostgator for sying they offer 100GB space 1000GB b/w for $10 monthly.

It seems the free hosting section is awash with new schemes, with new hosts. It seems like a minefield of explosive free hosts to me.

I also saw a thread stating that 'we dont host warez, we just index it' here. Lol, fools

What does everyone else think?

[alley]

Yeah, It's pretty crazy what some hosts are offering, and even crazier what some hostees are requesting for free.

[h0ster]

I just saw someone asking for 50gb B/W for a porn site with no-ads/banners etc. Funny.....

[alley]

Yeah, no adds, no forum posting, instant activation, mysql, php, frontpage extentions, email accounts, fantastico, sub domains, huge web space, and unbelievable bandwidth. I'm suprised they don't want us too cook them dinner to clinch the deal ..haha , or maybe take out their trash? :lol:

[iLucas]

It's not false advertisement, because you can't prove they don't actually have what they're quoting. I'm not saying it's right, and it's definately not ethical.

[Dan]

It is gone completely crazy. And the most upsetting factor, is there are "host providers" there that will reply to such rediculous requests as porn with no ads etc and unbelievable amounts of resources for free and say "I can give you that and more. Sign up here. Instant activation"

Then, and this is the real kick in the head for both silly parties, within a month, that same requester will be back saying, "I need a new free stable host who can offer me the sun, moon and stars because my last host was unreliable and has somehow gone down for whatever reason".

Let's be honest folks.

[h0ster]

It's not false advertisement, because you can't prove they don't actually have what they're quoting. I'm not saying it's right, and it's definately not ethical.

I can, I could ask for proof that they have it! I could also report them to US trading standards and they would look into it. I'm pretty sure they'd have to show the US government that they actually had what they we're offering.

[iLucas]

I can, I could ask for proof that they have it! I could also report them to US trading standards and they would look into it. I'm pretty sure they'd have to show the US government that they actually had what they we're offering.

It wouldn't be their job to prove anything. It would be your job to prove they were false advertising, being you made the claim.

[Flaunt]

It is gone completely crazy. And the most upsetting factor, is there are "host providers" there that will reply to such rediculous requests as porn with no ads etc and unbelievable amounts of resources for free and say "I can give you that and more. Sign up here. Instant activation"

It's making hosts who can really stand by their offers of big accounts look bad.

[Adam]

It's making hosts who can really stand by their offers of big accounts look bad.

Nah, it doesn't make us look bad. It'll actually make us look better when the other free hosts that are lying to the hostees about the ridiculous amounts of space they offer suddenly crashes and burns. Everyone just needs to crack down and stop wiping these baby a$$es everytime they cry for 5gb space, 100gb bandwidth, PHP, CGI, MYSQL and all the other goodies. Thats certainly worth $10 to me. Hell I've spent $10 a month on a VPS with the same specs just to tinker around with.

About the kid that was claiming to be able to give away 50TB accounts, I was LMAO so hard on that one. Too funny!!

[Flaunt]

Super early April Fool's joke eh? :)


It'll actually make us look better when the other free hosts that are lying to the hostees about the ridiculous amounts of space they offer suddenly crashes and burns.

Happens too often for comfort!

[AMC]

yeah i mean, the largest amount of space i think i could buy for one server is 640gb, so this guy was offering like 80 highend servers per person for free

that could be like $4-50,000 + per month, it must have been a typo, but 50gb is still stupid

[TSO]

Yes, I think shared hosting is heading for a big downfall. Fortunately, it won't affect me too much, though I am a little worried for some folks I know who run their own Web hosts. The next couple of years should really be interesting.

[h0ster]

Yes, I think shared hosting is heading for a big downfall. Fortunately, it won't affect me too much, though I am a little worried for some folks I know who run their own Web hosts. The next couple of years should really be interesting.


Shared hosting is more popular than ever! It's some of the offers on offer here that are going downhill.

[Galaxy-Hosts.com]

Yes, I think shared hosting is heading for a big downfall. Fortunately, it won't affect me too much, though I am a little worried for some folks I know who run their own Web hosts. The next couple of years should really be interesting.
If what you say is true the ones that will be left will be the ones who can actually provide the product and service at the promised price. The gross overseller will be go quickly.

[TSO]

^^ Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Overselling can't last - not to that extreme. At such low prices ($2/month) and such high allocations of features, there might as well be free hosting. :) Which is why free hosting is now growing so fast. :)

[James]

For the example of HostGator, their tactics are quite clear, ok for the shared hosting it's looking a little ridiculous but look at their reseller plans which are more realistic. Even hostgator know that it's very very dangerous to be giving out huge resellers for cheap. They know what they're doing, they are simply using the "overselling tool" on marketing their shared plans.

[Flaunt]

When I was making my rounds of free hosts almost 2 years back, most of the hosts were using free or unlimited resellers for $49 dollars. Maybe that's still the MO these days!

[Sam2000]

Quite impossible on a shared server.

Thats why our max is 300 gigs. b/w

But really, to run a huge site all you need is 100 gigs. I think people don't know how to measure bandwidth. =/

[Decker]

It's unfortunate that things have moved on and requirements are higher so requesters seem to take it for granted that hosts are silly and will pay for everything while they play. Unfortunately some hosts are!

[Wojtek]

Call it a drastic measure & don't agree with me, but I think a solution would be to limit the selling of reseller accounts to adults only (18+), or require a signed parental consent form for minors.

That would weed out almost all the silly offers we see here.

[Decker]

Not a bad move - hosting clients are sometimes of ages that should not have that access hosting in general.

Age is never (well almost) asked, can i have adult free hosting for example..

[Wojtek]

Unfortunately it'll never happen as most hosts are too money hungry to even consider this.

[alley]

I don't think that would really be fair anyways though as not all kids are alike. A lot of youger people are more mature and motivated than others. And if they have the money to buy a reseller, why should they be denied?

[Wojtek]

That's where the parental consent comes into play.
When I was 13 I sure had enough for a pack of smokes, but why o why was I denied? ;)

[alley]

Point well taken. :lol:


That's where the parental consent comes into play.
When I was 13 I sure had enough for a pack of smokes, but why o why was I denied? ;)

[h0ster]

Thats not a bad idea, but then like smokes, there would always be somewhere that would sell them to minors. Hopefully, sooner or later, the truth will prevail and everyone will realize the packages they're being sold are as genuine as dutch champagne.

[AMC]

can i point something out ?? almost all of us have had to put some money into our projects somewhere along the line, even just to buy a domain.

This requires buying online, and that requires at least a debit card or a live cash card. i know that until you are 16 ( or certainly in the UK ) you have to have your parents signed consent to get one of these cards, this would make the parental consent redundant, as if they have given consent for the child to buy online, and in stores, you can hardly require parental consent on each individual sale, what is more, the only full-proof way i can see of enforcing the policy you are suggesting, is to require people to sign up via credit cards, this would mean you cut out paypal -- NOT GOOD,

Im afraid this is one of the things we are stuck with, but i do think it is unfair to generalise, i know i was paying £15 a month for a good host and the age of 15, and i was running a few small projects from it, i wasnt iresponsible, and i know a lot of guys younger than that who are really clued up and wouldnt cause problems,

what you are proposing is effectively the same as only allowing seniors to buy magasines, as then vendors can charge more without fear of cutting their market, :( i dont think thats gonna happen.

just MO

AMC :wave:

[Brandon]

These are exactly the reasons I got out of the industry, I simply couldn't compete with the free hosts offering the world...

[Wojtek]

the only full-proof way i can see of enforcing the policy you are suggesting, is to require people to sign up via credit cards, this would mean you cut out paypal -- NOT GOOD

Not quite. The way I see it is to fax in a copy of a government issued ID with a name matching the payment method.
That's already being done to verify potential fraud, so I don't see why it could not be applied to verify someone's age upon ordering a reseller account



i know i was paying £15 a month for a good host and the age of 15, and i was running a few small projects from it, i wasnt iresponsible, and i know a lot of guys younger than that who are really clued up and wouldnt cause problems

Just so we're talking about the same thing, you absolutely do not need a reseller account if all you do is host a few projects of yours. A normal shared account does the job just fine :) And is cheaper. A reseller is exactly what the name implies. To sell what you have.

And I'm sure the parents of responsible kids would have no problem signing a form acknowledging they are aware, and agree with their kid's usage of said reseller hosting account.

I bet 90% of kiddie host's parents have no idea what they're kid is doing online. And perhaps the same number would not allow such thing if someone with authority (read: the host) explained them clearly how it works and the numbers involved.



what you are proposing is effectively the same as only allowing seniors to buy magasines, as then vendors can charge more without fear of cutting their market, :(

This analogy makes no sense :)
Nobody said we should cut any hosting to underage people all together.

[h0ster]

These are exactly the reasons I got out of the industry, I simply couldn't compete with the free hosts offering the world...


..lies run sprints but truth runs marathons............

cant remember who said that

:-)