Police Ware??

[NC_TOM]

http://www.stoppoliceware.com

Sign the petition.

Supposedly, the government is trying to have Police Ware installed on all new computers. Violation of the Police Ware could mean 5 years in prison and/or a $500,000 fine. This includes removing the Police Ware from your system or using pirated software.

If you choose to use an OS other than Windows (one which does not support Police Ware) you may be subject to the penalties as well.

This seems kinda ridiculous but I think it's for real.

[cheatpark]

Damn! Is this only in your country? I guess so. But I'll fully support the petition anyway so that no other government tries to do it.

[Dusty]

Damned good idea, even if I don't like the penalties for not using Windows. I doubt it's anything more than a hoax, though, or possibly just overt paranoia on the part of the "I can't live without my warez!" crowd. Something like this would be terribly difficult to implement and monitor. But, if it were real, it would be a giant step in the right direction. I'm all for it.

[Giancarlo]

I support this. Pay or get busted. How would you like if you owned something, and somebody broke into your house and stole it?

However, I think Police Ware should be made compatible with all systems. So we can really tackle this anti-capitalist threat.

This will succeed, as the only people against it are theifs, and steal from people who actually work or will be working for a living. Adios, warez.

[cheatpark]

I agree with you giancarlo but I think people should have the freedom to decide what goes on their computer. Like warez people will very easily find ways around this and hand out cracked copies of windows that get past these systems. Websites will be put up saying update your copy now and stuff. I agree that it will also be hard to monitor.

[Giancarlo]

Yes, you are right. But... how will this be tackled in a different way besides requiring people to install this software? I don't mind, as I am a law abiding person, and law is a possible career path for me (as a prosecutor).

However cheatpark is right. In the United States, over 100 million people use the internet. The FBI cannot monitor that, as it has its hands tied in terrorism cases, and other more life threatening situations. The NSA probably can though.

[cheatpark]

I think the government have more important issues to concentrate on.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by NC_TOM


If you choose to use an OS other than Windows (one which does not support Police Ware) you may be subject to the penalties as well.That leaves me in a nice situation...

So I either use a pirated copy of Windows and go to jail, or I use Linux and go to jail as well? Wow. What a choice. :confused2

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark
I think the government have more important issues to concentrate on.

It already is. This is for the NSA, the part of which isn't that active in other operations.

[Dusty]

I think people should have the freedom to decide what goes on their computer.Just like the freedom they have to steal whatever they want from Wal-Mart as long as they keep it within the bounds of their private property... oh wait, you don't have that freedom. Well, just like the freedom they have to inject whatever drugs they choose into their private bloodstream... oh wait, can't do that either. Or... no. I don't see how disallowing the use of pirated software would be encroaching on your freedom anymore than any other law is.

Like I said, though. I don't think it's gonna happen in the foreseeable future. It would simply be too difficult, expensive, and time consuming to implement this sort of strategy. There are more effective means if the police would just get off their lead asses and enforce laws we've already got.

[Dusty]

So I either use a pirated copy of Windows and go to jail, or I use Linux and go to jail as well?...or you legally buy Windows and go on your merry way.

This Windows-only clause is what makes me really think this is just a hoax, the government isn't about to hand Microsoft its monopoly on a silver platter after it's already gone through so many anti-trust suits over it. If "Police Ware" is real, it's nothing like it's being described.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Dusty
...or you legally buy Windows and go on your merry way. Hah. Like I can afford it...

[Dusty]

Well then, looks like your merry way ends at boxing up your computer. See, you still have an option left that doesn't end with prison.
Ban Anti-Bullfighting groups! They are full of ignorance snobs!
Richard NixonI never knew Nixon campaigned against people against bullfighting. :D

[xsnetwork]

that seriously sucks... I am glad it is more than likely a hoax, because otherwise I would be in some serious debt!... I don't think they should be able to do it personally, it is an invasion of computer user's privacy... but even if it is real people will always find ways to get around it.

[cheatpark]

Well if your computer isn't really online then I can't see what they can do to find out. However like windows xp I think they would force you to go online and register or something like that.

[Giancarlo]

So you can steal? Oh, so I can go shoplifting... no I cannot. This kind of stealing is no better than shoplifting.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Dusty
I never knew Nixon campaigned against people against bullfighting. :D

No stupid, that is a link. The top quote is me.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


No stupid, that is a link. The top quote is me. He's not stupid (at least I don't think). Notice the ':D' signinfying he was joking.


However like windows xp I think they would force you to go online and register or something like that.Who forced you to go online and register WinXP? :confused:

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Bruce
He's not stupid (at least I don't think). Notice the ':D' signinfying he was joking.

Who forced you to go online and register WinXP? :confused:
I haven't used it but apparently you have to register it online within 30 days.

[Bruce]

You don't have too...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Bruce
He's not stupid (at least I don't think). Notice the ':D' signinfying he was joking.



Sorry, I am doing homework, so I am pissed off.


I haven't used it but apparently you have to register it online within 30 days.

Then go with a different operating system, if you don't want to register. Like Win2k for example.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Bruce
You don't have too...
I suppose you have a way of getting around it or something? By the way this is what I heard from someone else so I haven't seen it myself.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Then go with a different operating system, if you don't want to register. Like Win2k for example.
Did I say I didn't want to register? I don't think so. :confused:

[DCI]

You had to register XP?

I bought my computer with XP like couple months ago and i didnt have to.

[Tazzman]

I think you have to register the XP home edition, but the professional edition doesn't have to be registered. Also maybe they didn't include the registering thing in the OEM version. All I do know is that a version of XP home bought here in the Netherlands has to be registered...

[Daniel]

excuse my ignorance, but whats OEM?

[Bruce]

Main Entry: OEM
Pronunciation: "O-(")E-'em
Function: noun
Etymology: original equipment manufacturer
Date: 1968
: one that produces complex equipment (as a computer system) from components usually bought from other manufacturers


Don't they have dictionaries up there? ;)

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Bruce



Don't they have dictionaries up there? ;)

1968? :biggrin2:
Somebody is slightly behind the times... J/K ;)

[roly]

Doen't apply for me, i'm not american:)
But americans have to get fined $500,000 and 5 years for burning a cd, uninstalling poluice ware or using a non-windows OS, YIKES!

1 Tip:Use old software

[Nick]

This gives me all the more reason to move out of USA :D.

[Canuckkev]

That would definitely be a step in the right direction. Like I said in another thread, forget all this privacy crap, If you are doing something illegal, then you shouldn't have the right to privacy. If you break the law, how can you demand rights? By breaking the law you corrupt society, so why should you have rights in society?

Also, if there was signifigantly less software pirating, prices would be able to be lowered. It would make the internet more of a capitalist place. Companies would have to compete against each other, not against software pirates. Although I am sure there will always be a way around any sort of anti piracy thing, as long as a kid can't just go on google and find their warez that they need, it will cut down on piracy a lot.

The internet would be a better place without piracy.

[trenzterra]

good except for not using windows you get a penalty but not everyone has $500,000

but the burning of mp3s and downloading of mp3s should be made legal, or morpheus will probably go down the drain.

and i'm not an american

[Dusty]

Let's not forget that this is highly suspect and I have serious doubts it's real. I'm just going to ignore the Windows-only stuff because that's just ludicrous.


but the burning of mp3s and downloading of mp3s should be made legal, or morpheus will probably go down the drain. Downloading and burning MP3s isn't illegal now and never was. Copyright infringement, the theft of intellectual property, that's what's illegal. Just because a product isn't tangible doesn't make it all right for you to do with it as you please. It's not legal currently and it will be a sad day for the world if ever it is.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Dusty
Let's not forget that this is highly suspect and I have serious doubts it's real. I'm just going to ignore the Windows-only stuff because that's just ludicrous.
I agree 100%. What about linux? Thats the most used operating system for web servers in the world. Do they government know that?

[NC_TOM]

True, downloading and burning MP3s is legal, but the fact is 99% of the mp3s on my computer are from CDs that I don't own.

My school cracked down on MP3s/Warez pretty hard this year and I got in some trouble for downloading and distributing MP3s that the school does not have licenses for. When I told my teacher, "I own some of these CDs" his response was, "It doesn't matter. Does the school own any of them? No."

I guess he picks favorites though. My friend Jeremiah, who has tons of MP3s (his dad owns a night club) gets to put all his stuff on the school server but I get reprimanded for putting like 80 mp3s on (Compared to the 300 that Jeremiah got to put on)

I gotta disagree with CanuckKev when it comes to the right to privacy. In the USA, people have freedom. However, in the USA, our legal/justice system is seriously screwed up. I'm aware that it's even more screwed up in some other nations, but there are things over here that are "illegal" which I think it's just fine for someone to do behind closed doors. Of course, most of that which is illegal should not be done at all. However, there are certain things which people should have the right to do although they aren't legal. There are also some things which are legal which I think shouldn't be.


For example, one time a friend and I were driving towards our town. We turned onto a dead end road to take a leak in the bushes. We went back up to where this road entered the Old Highway (The main back road between Port Angeles and Sequim, my town) and we found that the dead end road we were on had been blocked by a couple of farmers and their trucks. I got out of my car and Cory rolled down the window of his car. I asked the farmers what was going on. They rudely responded that we should know what was going on. Next they accused us of doing brodies in their field. We didn't even touch their field. To this day, we don't know why they accused us of this. Cory responded yelling at them to get the ---- out of our way. They said we need to just wait there until the sherrif deputies arrive. Upon hearing this, Cory started up his car and started driving towards the shoulder of the road which was not covered by a truck. The farmer yelled "You stop your ----in car this instant you little bastard" Cory's response was "get the ---- out of my way, you fat old man"
The man then ran up to Cory's car and tried to choke Cory. He put his hands in through the window and grabbed Cory by the throat and screamed at him. After this happened, I just said "You guys forget about whatever you think went on, and we'll forget about that assault you just did. You realize you'll get in more trouble for that than we will for whatever you think we did. The other farmer who had been quiet until now, said "Just shut up and get back in your car"
When the sherrif deputy "expert" got there, we told him what the farmer had done to Cory, and that Cory had marks on his throat proving it. The deputy said this was legal. The farmer can detain the suspects by any means necessary, until the proper authorities arrive. His exact words: "In Washington state, he can do anything short of kill you to keep you here until we arrive."


Since we were innocent, we went to court and the charges were instantly dropped. The deputies didn't even file a report on us, however they gave us $480 tickets which were also dropped. I bbelieve that even the deputies who gave us the tickets knew we were innocent. However, if I hadn't taken it into court, I'd be paying a $480 ticket for something that I didn't do. That's the way the system works.

[Webdude]

I know you people arent that naive so as to believe an obvious hoax as that. Look at the facts. The government has been trying to take Microsoft down, so why would they force everyone to use windows?

Plus the Government cannot force such a thing because it would be forcing something illegal. By doing that, they would give Microsoft all the freedom and permission in the world to become the world's biggest monopoly.

If this were true, SUN and AOL would be having fits. AOL has plans in the future for a Linux version of their software. Although such a thing would benefit them in the windows industry, it would give Microsoft a clear and undeniable advantage over AOL as far as Corporate power goes.

Plus the American people have the right to freedom of speach, expression, and the pursuit of happiness. If someone is happeir using one software instead of the other, the government has no power over that unless it's been publicly proven that software was built and is used for malicious purposes.

There is tons more reasons, both legal and logical that says this is nothing but a big hoax....

[cheatpark]

I have the feeling that this whole thing is a scam and the government are not going to put it into place. If you think about it, its totally unrealistic.

[NC_TOM]

I agree, but it's an interesting concept. And look how many people from this forum alone approve the idea.

On the other hand, look at the nearly 70,000 who have signed the petition.

[cheatpark]

Then its a well planned scam then, isn't it? Or it could be something to show to the government to show that putting something like that in place would never be successfull because so many people would be against it.

[Webdude]

Another outlook is that Bill Gates is a cocky bastard, but he stands up for himself. He has never given in to the Government. It doesnt stand to reason that he would allow such software to be integrated with his.

Plus, this could be seen as an invasion of privacy. I can understand having such software on business computers, but not private home computers. I'd make a smart bet that they would be able to put cameras in Walmart restrooms before anyone could get such a thing as this passed. Seriously...that would give the government free unauthorized access to your home. Hell you cant even tap a phone line without a damned good reason...what makes anyone think a bill for a full time tapped computer system will get passed??

Also, programs such as Norton Security can deny access to the internet for any such program. If it doesnt have access to the net, it cant report to the government.

Then you take companies like Sony who have spent millions trying to build an uncrackable code, and you can bet the government can do no better.

This scam is almost as stupid as another popular one that so many people fell for....that the post office was going to start charging for every email you send..hehe...c'mon, people need to quit falling for these rediculous hoaxes...LOL

[cheatpark]

ok. Who else thinks its a scam?

[Webdude]

Originally posted by cheatpark
ok. Who else thinks its a scam?

Me, me, and oh yeah, ME too :D

[cheatpark]

I have to say it was a well thought scam. Scams these days are getting more and more complicated to tell apart. Maybe the government could deal with these people. :D

[Webdude]

How much you wanna bet that that guy is going to make good money selling those 70,000 emails...or whatever it grows to.. wanna sign the petition now?

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Webdude
How much you wanna bet that that guy is going to make good money selling those 70,000 emails...or whatever it grows to.. wanna sign the petition now?
I can't sign it as I live in the UK.

[Dusty]

ok. Who else thinks its a scam?I think I already said so back on page one: "I doubt it's anything more than a hoax, though, or possibly just overt paranoia on the part of the 'I can't live without my warez!' crowd."