Why they all lie?

[klajdi2]

Why it so difficult to find a free good hosting?I mean they all tell us That we will get the best of the best,no ads,no posts etc but when we go to sign up we see some :"we changed our rules and you have to posts 10 times on our forum" or "we ask for a 7$ fee" and stuff like that.Don't these guys understand that when they do that we don't trust them anymore?
Also about the posting,habe you seen the forums?Most posts are: yes,me too,I agree etc!
Ok they will say nothing is really free and no free launch etc but then don't come here and claim that you offer free hosting with unlimited features and no ads and the world is ours!
I think that the best hosting was from
Serverheaven.com (but they ask now 1$ per year,but I think they deserve it)
Awardspace.com (not Fantastico anymore)
Byethost.com (no Fantastico anymore)

[kimchris]

Forget about the free and go for the paid but still need be caution of your choice.

[DanTheMan]

actually i found a real free host who is honest about everything...check out www.freenetworx.com

i am a client of theres and its really nice over there...tech support takes no longer than 24 hours...the fastest is 30 mins that i've experenced!!!

[Daun]

on my mind..just 2 freewebhost best ever..zeeblo and zoomcities

thanks :)

[Kwek]

Well its either that they're running low on fundings, or they have already planned to make money out of their free hosting from the start. The 'free hosting' part was just to tempt people to try out their services as a 'trial'. But I believe most of the time it is due to the fundings.

[TaiLZ]

Exactly, Free hosts are on low budgets, and plan to cover costs and make a little profit, also they probably upgrade to paid hosting if they do well.

[Gipo_dinamia]

actually i found a real free host who is honest about everything...check out www.freenetworx.com

i am a client of theres and its really nice over there...tech support takes no longer than 24 hours...the fastest is 30 mins that i've experenced!!!

If you are the client of this company, would you show your URL, please?

[moinuddin102]

Awardspace.com is the worst for php site.
i can't run any php script which very simple in Awardspace.com

[AAZZ]

Choose free hosting very carefully in my opinion. Ask for some tiral runs to check their speed and cutomer service. E-mail their support and if theyt reply withint 24 hours, I would go with that one.

In my experience, byethost.com is probably the best one. No ads, and very good speed. They have a quick responce staff.

[Zeppelin]

I don't want to sound harsh, but even if paid hosts don't keep to their promises, what can you expect of free ones?

[alley]

This goes both ways guys.
I have not got one honest sign-up for my free hosting company yet.

Most fill out the application form inproperly, or when I reply to them they never reply.
Also, I have created accounts for people only to find that they couldn't wait and signed up somewhere else.

They really like waisting my time.

[iLucas]

Can I give an opinion as a free host?

Personally, when I started, I knew I wasn't going to make an income. I knew that I would be lucky to cut even. I didn't want anything from anyone, other than a true user.

We started, and we required ads. Then figured, by the response here, it would be better for post requirements. There was a time we went completely free, no posting or ads, and we got completely flooded, and believe me, they weren't good users.

Some of you need to understand that we, as the host, are paying for you to keep your website online. We don't have the money, and in some cases, the time, and you need to keep in mind, it's free. I try to keep my support very good, considering people love good support. If it takes longer than an hour or two for a response, it's either (a) I'm discussing it with my host or (b) I'm sleeping.

I am the one and only support guy, and I feel I'm doing pretty good.

If you want free hosting, you need to consider giving something back. When we say free, it's still free to you. You're not paying out, we are. The least you can do is (a) accept an ad or (b) post once or twice a month.

We currently have 37 accounts, and sometimes, it's hard. And as the user, you need to understand that we're doing our best.

[Sam2000]

Why it so difficult to find a free good hosting?I mean they all tell us That we will get the best of the best,no ads,no posts etc but when we go to sign up we see some :"we changed our rules and you have to posts 10 times on our forum" or "we ask for a 7$ fee" and stuff like that.Don't these guys understand that when they do that we don't trust them anymore?
Also about the posting,habe you seen the forums?Most posts are: yes,me too,I agree etc!
Ok they will say nothing is really free and no free launch etc but then don't come here and claim that you offer free hosting with unlimited features and no ads and the world is ours!
I think that the best hosting was from
Serverheaven.com (but they ask now 1$ per year,but I think they deserve it)
Awardspace.com (not Fantastico anymore)
Byethost.com (no Fantastico anymore)

Mainly because their doing it to HELP you out.
I see free hosts as something temporary until you go paid, its nothing to live on.
Take note that free hosts make very little income unless they have some type of affiliate program; which brings in very little income to pay for the server costs. Also, hosts with no ads aren't very good. They won't last long and are usually beginners. They're trying to be unique but usually end themselves up in a fiasco.

- Darius

[allanh]

Why it so difficult to find a free good hosting?

Because your definition of "free good hosting" comes at no price. Why should you expect "good" when it's free?



Don't these guys understand that when they do that we don't trust them anymore?

you aren't paying for anything so free hosts do not need your "trust".



Ok they will say nothing is really free and no free launch etc but then don't come here and claim that you offer free hosting with unlimited features and no ads and the world is ours!

then don't come here begging for free hosting with no ads/posts....



I think that the best hosting was from
Serverheaven.com (but they ask now 1$ per year,but I think they deserve it)
Awardspace.com (not Fantastico anymore)
Byethost.com (no Fantastico anymore)


If you aren't paying, then you don't deserve cPanel ($25/yr licence fee), Fantastico (not free either), webspace (not free), bandwidth (not free).
Keep in mind that as long as you are not giving the host something in return, the host does not owe the hostees anything.:-)

[phprocks]

I see where your coming from, its simply choosing the web host you think is trustworthy. Some people see some adverts for "10GB space/100GB bandwidth" its basically looking at it realistically; will this web host be able to offer this to hundreds of clients? Probably not. So try going for the more "reasonable offers", or for web hosts that have got honest & reliable reviews.

[webb360.com]

Also remember that free web hosts are exactly that, free.

[BooM]

nice reply allan h, that just about sums up this arguement

[cnhacker]

Serverheaven.com (but they ask now 1$ per year,but I think they deserve it)
Awardspace.com (not Fantastico anymore)
Byethost.com (no Fantastico anymore)

You already know what is good.
Profusehost.net is also good. t35 and wagoo are good for simple freehosting too.

[jiehao85]

Since there's already a few contributions on where to find the elusive good and free webhosts, go try them out. You might have a new perception of what the webhosts do.

[TSO]

Why it so difficult to find a free good hosting?I mean they all tell us That we will get the best of the best,no ads,no posts etc but when we go to sign up we see some :"we changed our rules and you have to posts 10 times on our forum" or "we ask for a 7$ fee" and stuff like that.Don't these guys understand that when they do that we don't trust them anymore?
Also about the posting,habe you seen the forums?Most posts are: yes,me too,I agree etc!
Ok they will say nothing is really free and no free launch etc but then don't come here and claim that you offer free hosting with unlimited features and no ads and the world is ours!
I think that the best hosting was from
Serverheaven.com (but they ask now 1$ per year,but I think they deserve it)
Awardspace.com (not Fantastico anymore)
Byethost.com (no Fantastico anymore)
I understand what you're saying, but realize that there are many, many free hosts out there. A few bad apples doesn't mean the whole industry is full of crooks. :)

[impactgc]

Why they all lie?

Well that is the first thing that bothers me.. ALL.. well not all lie.. Some maybe.. Few yes... but all NO.

I offer both free hosting and paid hosting - I don't lie about any of our plans. If you want free hosting with us - our ads are put in the control panel only not on the site.

If you want free hosting - go into expecting nothing and you will get alot. Its free - what do you expect the world? Of course a company should not lie to you.. "yea its free, but you have to paid xx".


Keep in mind that as long as you are not giving the host something in return, the host does not owe the hostees anything.


Agreed!

And with all due respect - what does the hosting company owe you to offer FREE hosting with nothing in return?

I want someone to answer that one! Cause there are too many people that want free hosting and are picky on what they want!

Thanks,
Adam

[ganesh.rao]

I post telling "10 Initiall posts" and you need to make 10 posts.

Whats wrong in that? When I am boldly claiming that you have to make 10 posts, you have to or you dont get the account. Simple as that...

Liars... hmm, they are totally out of the question.

[stonerocket]

I see where your coming from, its simply choosing the web host you think is trustworthy. Some people see some adverts for "10GB space/100GB bandwidth" its basically looking at it realistically; will this web host be able to offer this to hundreds of clients? Probably not. So try going for the more "reasonable offers", or for web hosts that have got honest & reliable reviews.


I only wish that everyone else would only do the same.

[azoundria]

I think any free host that does not look like it could plausibly support itself long-term is a no-go anyways. If the site doesn't have any way to make money how can it stay alive?

And whats the point of tricking people into registering? While it might get you more registrations - those registrants become distrusting of you and wont recommend you to anyone else. Or they'll just switch hosts.

I also believe it's quality above quantity when it comes to clients. To put it to the extreme - I could have only one client - as popular as Google. And I would rather that than 99999 under-construction sites that get 3 visitors a month. But everyone seems to prefer the latter...

[Kwek]

I think any free host that does not look like it could plausibly support itself long-term is a no-go anyways. If the site doesn't have any way to make money how can it stay alive?

And whats the point of tricking people into registering? While it might get you more registrations - those registrants become distrusting of you and wont recommend you to anyone else. Or they'll just switch hosts.

I also believe it's quality above quantity when it comes to clients. To put it to the extreme - I could have only one client - as popular as Google. And I would rather that than 99999 under-construction sites that get 3 visitors a month. But everyone seems to prefer the latter...
How are you supposed to... support that client? I wonder how many servers will you need. :P JK.

I agree with you, quantity is much more important than quality. There's no point in as you have said, 99999 under-construction sites that get 3 visitors a month... then what's the point of the free hosting? Geocities will be enough. :P

[Blade1941]

This goes both ways guys.
I have not got one honest sign-up for my free hosting company yet.

Most fill out the application form inproperly, or when I reply to them they never reply.
Also, I have created accounts for people only to find that they couldn't wait and signed up somewhere else.

They really like waisting my time.

Same with my new opened hosting, :idea: can I copy your post? Because I feel exactly the same pirate2

[xd3vilx]

This goes both ways guys.
I have not got one honest sign-up for my free hosting company yet.

Most fill out the application form inproperly, or when I reply to them they never reply.
Also, I have created accounts for people only to find that they couldn't wait and signed up somewhere else.

They really like waisting my time.
A agree with you too. I have since many user just apply for hosting and next thing off they go having another account with anothe hosting company just because we did not respond to them to their "required amount of time". I been in this market for aquite and I have a low amount of users but some of them have stay by us through thick and thin. We free host do not earn any cent but just hope to give back what we have receive in the past.

[Cartman1337]

My opinion about free hosts is that they usually suck, its free for a reason guys paid hosting is the best if you want speed, protection, and a good sql server = )

[ZoomCities]

My opinion about free hosts is that they usually suck, its free for a reason

Careful on what you say there kid...


guys paid hosting is the best if you want speed, protection, and a good sql server = )

Not paid hosting are like that. You need to do your research..

[tumble]

You know i was doing the "Free" hosting thing for awhile. And all i wanted in return was a text link or logo link back to my home page.

The reason why i got out of "Free" hosting is the a majority of requesters are rude,disrepectfull,not honost,always want more. And NEVER NEVER go out of thier way to give anything back.

I was very disappointed in the people i had hosted as well as the requesters. And i had spend alot of time and money to have a quaility server for them. And the ones still on my server. Umm about 6 of them now. Still ask for more and never give anything in return.

When i switched to "Paid" hosting i promised these guys i would still host there sites. Which of course i still do.

Alos take a look around and see how many "Host" got screwed by a client thru hacking there server or by other means.

Free hosting is a very time consuming effort. The requesters need to take time and reflect on how their actions affect those that are dealing with server issues.client issues,money issues ect.

And as far as "Free" host there are a few really good ones out there. "ZoomCities" being by far one of the best here at FWS. You get what you pay for 99% of the time. Granted i was one of the few exceptions that did "Free" hosting to try to help others out. Never made a dime from the people i hosted for free.

chances are if you hang around these parts you will see "Free" host come and go. Mostly because "They are trying to make a dime" off you so that they can pay for the server. So jeez give em a break and do what they ask so that they can continue to provide a "Free" service to you.

If you want long standing webhosting and you are unable to get in with the "Good Few" host. Then go paid.

[JonnyH]

You know i was doing the "Free" hosting thing for awhile. And all i wanted in return was a text link or logo link back to my home page.

The reason why i got out of "Free" hosting is the a majority of requesters are rude,disrepectfull,not honost,always want more. And NEVER NEVER go out of thier way to give anything back.

I was very disappointed in the people i had hosted as well as the requesters. And i had spend alot of time and money to have a quaility server for them. And the ones still on my server. Umm about 6 of them now. Still ask for more and never give anything in return.

When i switched to "Paid" hosting i promised these guys i would still host there sites. Which of course i still do.

Alos take a look around and see how many "Host" got screwed by a client thru hacking there server or by other means.

Free hosting is a very time consuming effort. The requesters need to take time and reflect on how their actions affect those that are dealing with server issues.client issues,money issues ect.

And as far as "Free" host there are a few really good ones out there. "ZoomCities" being by far one of the best here at FWS. You get what you pay for 99% of the time. Granted i was one of the few exceptions that did "Free" hosting to try to help others out. Never made a dime from the people i hosted for free.

chances are if you hang around these parts you will see "Free" host come and go. Mostly because "They are trying to make a dime" off you so that they can pay for the server. So jeez give em a break and do what they ask so that they can continue to provide a "Free" service to you.

If you want long standing webhosting and you are unable to get in with the "Good Few" host. Then go paid.

Really nice post. I don't think anyone could of put that better.

I mean, there is alot of good, reliable customers out there. Well, I've been running for about 4 month now, and we get alot of compliments which just make we want to carry on and go out of my way to provide free hosting.

[qq8892]

I can only say most of them are lier but we can't afford time to search the

real steady one among ADS. Fortunately.I am running a Forum to share

information about free domain and hosting.

[ezhost-anish]

An 10/10, very well said and we really can't say all free web host are liar's, yea maybe a dozen of them get these free reseller or so and host a maximum without giving consideration to their host and once they trail period is over they just disappear with out any notification.If we talk about free host with No Ad's, Do you really think they like it?? Am a host and i go with No Ad's because that's one of the way to get more clients.Many free host go in the expectation that their clients will click on the adsense or any sort by which the host get some revenue. But as far as i have seen here, 95% of the people who want free host want a Ad free host and most of them once begin hosted won't even bother to check in the forum again.
I remember when i used to have a site on a free ad host, there was a client whose account was suspended for hosting a nude images.that person came back making his second post which was almost after a month or two he has been hosted saying that host is not being fair.yea, it true when his site was hosted, the concerned rule wasn't there in the TOS ,but i think it's the obligation of every client to check in once in a while for getting a free service.


You know i was doing the "Free" hosting thing for awhile. And all i wanted in return was a text link or logo link back to my home page.

The reason why i got out of "Free" hosting is the a majority of requesters are rude,disrepectfull,not honost,always want more. And NEVER NEVER go out of thier way to give anything back.

I was very disappointed in the people i had hosted as well as the requesters. And i had spend alot of time and money to have a quaility server for them. And the ones still on my server. Umm about 6 of them now. Still ask for more and never give anything in return.

When i switched to "Paid" hosting i promised these guys i would still host there sites. Which of course i still do.

Alos take a look around and see how many "Host" got screwed by a client thru hacking there server or by other means.

Free hosting is a very time consuming effort. The requesters need to take time and reflect on how their actions affect those that are dealing with server issues.client issues,money issues ect.

And as far as "Free" host there are a few really good ones out there. "ZoomCities" being by far one of the best here at FWS. You get what you pay for 99% of the time. Granted i was one of the few exceptions that did "Free" hosting to try to help others out. Never made a dime from the people i hosted for free.

chances are if you hang around these parts you will see "Free" host come and go. Mostly because "They are trying to make a dime" off you so that they can pay for the server. So jeez give em a break and do what they ask so that they can continue to provide a "Free" service to you.

If you want long standing webhosting and you are unable to get in with the "Good Few" host. Then go paid.

[allanh]

All I can say is that if people hate "liars" so much, then why come and get hosted by "liars"?

They should go and find themselves "honest" hosts instead of whinging.

[ezhost-anish]

All I can say is that if people hate "liars" so much, then why come and get hosted by "liars"?

They should go and find themselves "honest" hosts instead of whinging.
people come to know if they are liar's only after they are begin hosted right?:eek2:

[allanh]

just pay for hosting then. :) You won't go through the pain of being "lied to"

[i.need.a.host.29]

I see where your coming from, its simply choosing the web host you think is trustworthy. Some people see some adverts for "10GB space/100GB bandwidth" its basically looking at it realistically; will this web host be able to offer this to hundreds of clients? Probably not. So try going for the more "reasonable offers", or for web hosts that have got honest & reliable reviews.
Usually, those sites close fast...like AHplace.com, it used to give up to 10gigs, but then shut down.

Speaking of which, now newer freehosting sites are just clones with different plans, etc, because they all think that "LAYEREDPANEL PWNS!!!" or something like that, but it's like a control panel that looks too simple.

[Subhash]

just pay for hosting then. :) You won't go through the pain of being "lied to"

People who have the attitude to lie being a free host, will have the same attitude for paid hosting also. It is not the matter of free or paid, it is the matter of business ethics.


I don't say that all free hosts are liars, rather I would say most of them are honest about what they say. But I also came across many hosts who don't have the minimum responsibility to inform their member before to close their hosting. Just see in this forum how many web host closed without any prior notice.

It's true hosting is free but free web hosts must understand that the contents, which we put in those, free server spaces along with our trust are the results of our hard works and we care for those valuable stuffs.

[ezhost-anish]

I don't say that all free hosts are liars, rather I would say most of them are honest about what they say. But I also came across many hosts who don't have the minimum responsibility to inform their member before to close their hosting. Just see in this forum how many web host closed without any prior notice.


well am a lover of psychology, It's says "experience is a teacher":-)

[goblin77]

well am a lover of psychology, It's says "experience is a teacher":-)
Experience is the best teacher but wise persons teach on somebody's mistakes but stupid ones are only on their own. :-)

[J J]

Pay for hosting if you want it to be reliable. Free hosts can "lie" all they want. what's it to them if they "lie" to you, as they're hosting you for free. - They lose there credibility, but that's really to the prerogative of the person hosting you.

[pommy]

Not all freehosts lie, actually, some are better than paid hosting on average, especially for support there are some which give better support than any paid host I know off.
But paid or free, go for one with a BIG forum plainly visible on their homepage; read posts, post some messages to see what other people think. If they have a big and busy forum, the support and help will be very good. If no forum, they have something to hide. In my experience at least; I know of a few cases were a paid hoster opened up a forum and got hundreds of complaints from users that their hosting was bad. They closed it down fast again.
There are freehosts and paid hosts which have tens of thousands of messages in their forum asking support which is given within an hour after posting and which contains high praise. Go for that!

[pommy]

Usually, those sites close fast...like AHplace.com, it used to give up to 10gigs, but then shut down.

Speaking of which, now newer freehosting sites are just clones with different plans, etc, because they all think that "LAYEREDPANEL PWNS!!!" or something like that, but it's like a control panel that looks too simple.

We use Layeredpanel (we tried DA, cpanel and xpanel before); it is fully customizable and very stable. You cannot compare it to cPanel or Directadmin as it is for freehosting which is a completely different dynamic than paid hosting. The fact that most freehosts look the same is because LP is the most used free host panel and these people are trying to earn money quick. Which does not work. However, if you are in it for the long run and want to make a stable freehost which makes a profit, LP cannot be beaten.

[KarlHost]

The thing about 'free' hosting is that most companys need something in return because a host is not going to pay $100 a month for a vps then not gain any money for it, instead of free try find cheap hosting, its much more reliable.

[pommy]

The thing about 'free' hosting is that most companys need something in return because a host is not going to pay $100 a month for a vps then not gain any money for it, instead of free try find cheap hosting, its much more reliable.

With enough members freehosts make enough $. Check sitepoint for freehost sales and see their revenue. Freehosting makes profit if done right, but you need *a lot* of members which is a goal for that. Friend of mine with a freehost with less than 20.000 members running for 2 months (started 2 months ago) earns about $3000-3500 from banners and affiliates and got a bid on that site of $60.000. So, simply put, when running a freehost for 1 year, you'll stand to make 40-50k (probably more) and when you sell it, it'll add 60k or more. Which makes it more profitable than most paid hosts. Ofcourse you must be good at getting members which is infinitely easier with free than paid hosting.

[Jun Luzon]

less than 20.000 members running for 2 months (started 2 months ago) earns about $3000-3500 from banners and affiliates and got a bid on that site of $60.000. So, simply put, when running a freehost for 1 year, you'll stand to make 40-50k (probably more) and when you sell it, it'll add 60k or more.

Whoaa:rolleyes2 20,000 members in 2 months! Great!
I wonder if he also owns 90% of the internet. :angel:

Anyway, 30 is also less than 20.000. :beer:

[pommy]

Whoaa:rolleyes2 20,000 members in 2 months! Great!
I wonder if he also owns 90% of the internet. :angel:

Anyway, 30 is also less than 20.000. :beer:

Yeah running a steady 500-600 new members /day.

[Jun Luzon]

Yeah running a steady 500-600 new members /day.

That explains the title of this thread.
Cheers! :beer:

[pommy]

That explains the title of this thread.
Cheers! :beer:

Don't get what you mean?