Microsoft agrees with the rest of the world: IE sucks!

Haha, this is funny

http://www.searchenginejournal.com/?p=4398
Original chart:
http://tech.msn.com/security/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2820234&GT1=9132

IE sucks, but so does Firefox, Firefox takes a lot of RAM usage and I mean A LOT!

Try Opera or Avant Browser instead:

http://www.avantbrowser.com/

IE sucks, but so does Firefox, Firefox takes a lot of RAM usage and I mean A LOT!

Try Opera or Avant Browser instead:

http://www.avantbrowser.com/

Well said, I use Opera. I'll check out Avant Browser though, because unlike most firefox users I'm willing to change for the good.

I use Opera :)

Avant == IE

It uses the Internet Explorer engine.

Is Avant Browser a secure browser?

Yes, Avant Browser is secure. Since it's based on Internet Explorer, Avant Browser is as secure as Internet Explorer. Avant Browser supports all SSL secured websites. Avant Browser's encryption length is the same as Internet Explorer's.

Firefox does?

I always use it with 5+ windows open (no tabs), and never had a problem...

Well, I've always had problems with Firefox and have been using Opera since it became ad-free!

Avant == IE

It uses the Internet Explorer engine.

Is Avant Browser a secure browser?

Yes, Avant Browser is secure. Since it's based on Internet Explorer, Avant Browser is as secure as Internet Explorer. Avant Browser supports all SSL secured websites. Avant Browser's encryption length is the same as Internet Explorer's.


Yeah, I noticed that too.

Rofl @ the quote. It contridicts itself within the first 2 sentances.

I use k-meleon. You might ask what is this. It is a branch off of Mozilla Firefox and it uses way less memory and yet sooo nicely done check it out here.
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

Never had any issues with IE7, I like it.

Avant == IE

It uses the Internet Explorer engine.

Oh, I didn't know that! ;) But the browser skin seems better than IE, however Opera is the best choice of all though.

EDIT:

I use k-meleon. You might ask what is this. It is a branch off of Mozilla Firefox and it uses way less memory and yet sooo nicely done check it out here.
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

I've tried that one, heard it in a post before. Opera owns it easyily.
It's not so organized as the other browsers are, that's what I think and it's not a good browser either :/

IE sucks, but so does Firefox, Firefox takes a lot of RAM usage and I mean A LOT!



Fine for me. I got 2GB of ram. Firefox uses ~20MB of RAM, and that's with 7 tabs open.

I use k-meleon. You might ask what is this. It is a branch off of Mozilla Firefox and it uses way less memory and yet sooo nicely done check it out here.
http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

That browser's only OK on really low spec machines.

Fine for me. I got 2GB of ram. Firefox uses ~20MB of RAM, and that's with 7 tabs open.

I got 1.5 GB Ram, IT makes my computer very slow.

Somtimes the browser crashes also, sorry but I rather have a secure and non "memory eating" browser.

Firefox uses a lot of processing also, memory cache, disk space.. etc etc.. not good for slow computers that is, but OK for fast computers, but even though I would have a fast computer I rather choose a fast browser so it would go even faster.

Right now firefox's usage on my pc is 250 Mb. That's 11 open windows for a total of 58 tabs. Not bad at all considering every iexplore on my pc takes up 27mb :p

Oh, and I'm stuck with 512 ram nowaways. My other 512 stick died :(

Oh, and I'm stuck with 512 ram nowaways. My other 512 stick died :(

Sounds bad :tired2: People are dying in other countries and you cry for your Ram memory lol :D

My other RAM stick died too, but a 1GB one :(

Mine is from Crucial. Good thing they have a lifetime warranty.
That reminds me I gotta send it in :)

Mine is from Crucial. Good thing they have a lifetime warranty.
That reminds me I gotta send it in :)

Mine's from OCZ and they also have lifetime warranty :angel: .

But they havn't replied to my emails for the RMA in a while.. thanks for reminding me! heh

i might mess with opera later.

http://www.caminobrowser.org/images/feature_graphic_tabs.jpg
(http://www.caminobrowser.org/)
can't get any better....

http://www.caminobrowser.org/images/feature_graphic_tabs.jpg
(http://www.caminobrowser.org/)
can't get any better....

Seems nice, but it doesn't work for Windows XP :S

http://www.caminobrowser.org/images/feature_graphic_tabs.jpg
(http://www.caminobrowser.org/)
can't get any better....
I used to use Camino until I realized you couldn't drag tabs around.

Firefox is great...if you have the ram. Although I do just peachy with 512mb.

i never realized FF let you drag tabs till you said that. :P lol

See gecko will always be a unix library, and to that end it will suffer in comparison to IE in the performance department, I like IE7 actually <-- pretty brave thing to say in public, but I do, I actually use it over firefox, I don't like that they took away ftp support, that can be handy sometimes, but still it works well I think.

When you got IDE's and editors open with massive projects in you just can't spare the ram for firefox.

Krak, can you reproduce what I posted in a previous post?
11 open windows with a total of 58 tabs. Please report back on the ram usage of IE7 for that.

http://hozter.info/proc.png

the top and bottom ones have 25 tabs open each, not too bad this is a filthy old athlon laptop and they don't even register on the cpu load....


It's not really fair to compare by those results though, firefox doesnt create new processes for new instances + tabbed browsing doesn't really call for new instances, so ff got that part right, but I still say that when you're computer is busy firefox gets sluggish, maybe is just IE is consistently sluggish, but consistency is what you want ......

Thanks,
And that comes up to 350 Mb for IE7 vs 250 Mb for FF2 :)

Thanks,
And that comes up to 350 Mb for IE7 vs 250 Mb for FF2 :)

TBH IE feels much faster than Firefox, but IE isin't so secure.. Same with firefox sometimes so I'd rather go with Opera..

Firefox just makes my computers slow, dunno about your computers though..

Yeah I never looked at processes or numbers really, my subjective experience is that IE seems to work better under stress, interesting result though, unexpected even .....

IE is pretty much hardcoded into Windows. That might be why it feels faster.

It opens up slightly faster(almost negligibly faster) than FireFox.

opens much faster, but also crashes and locks up a lot more than FF.

You guys have weird computers hehe
Opening/Loading time for me is: FF < IE < Opera
All with the google homepage

I use opera 99% of the time,
Wont ever download firefox again!

I use opera 99% of the time,
Wont ever download firefox again!
Why not?

I use Firefox, and it is eating up alot of RAM with many tabs open. But I can spare the RAM since I still can open my essential programs. I might try Opera someday.

why use firefox when there is opera? :p

I've successfully converted 7 of my friends from firefox to Opera

IE is pretty much hardcoded into Windows. That might be why it feels faster.

It opens up slightly faster(almost negligibly faster) than FireFox.

That's what I was gettin at in the first place, all ( most of ) the calls that IE makes as a process are to native win32 code, known as the Windows API, firefox doesn't have that advantage, it's core, the Gecko engine is made from generic c/c++ code. It's not really optimized for one system or another, no need right ? it has it's own, which by all accounts is a very good one, but all the same when your computer is stressed with other really demanding applications, ( or games, I dunno don't play them ) your native win32 code will perform better.

why use firefox when there is opera? :p

I've successfully converted 7 of my friends from firefox to Opera

Getting them to try it is the hard part. Once they've tried, it's a breeze to get them to switch though ;)

Opera is not just a browser, it's a community - http://my.opera.com/community/

I use opera 99% of the time,
Wont ever download firefox again!

I have all 3 on my PC actually, useful (and pretty much mandatory) in web designing.

I love the fact that if my computer crashes I can restore my session with firefox. I've had firefox/my laptop crash like 3 times. (By crash, I mean it wouldn't respond or it was very very very slow so I pressed the button!) If you give me that and tell me that my computer will be faster then I'll prob convert untill then, it's Fire Fox ALL THE WAY!

Hey if you ask me Opera sucks and firefox rules :)

I love the fact that if my computer crashes I can restore my session with firefox. I've had firefox/my laptop crash like 3 times. (By crash, I mean it wouldn't respond or it was very very very slow so I pressed the button!) If you give me that and tell me that my computer will be faster then I'll prob convert untill then, it's Fire Fox ALL THE WAY!

Opera had that way before Firefox, and Opera has been proven to be the fastest of all the three browsers (google it) - and has no known bugs (whilst firefox has that notorious memory leak bug amongst others).

I have all 3 on my PC actually, useful (and pretty much mandatory) in web designing.

Same here. Use Opera mainly however.

Hey didn't anybody notice the main point of this thread, MSN (Microsoft) said IE was #1 threat?

I'd like to use Opera, it actually uses the Mac GUI in the web pages, and load times are much better, but it has that stupid amazon search thing, which pisses me off. Firefox.

Hmmm... i use Firefox, too, but it doesn't need so much RAM. There was a little modification, so Firefox needs less RAM if i minimize the windows. Normally, Firefox needs ~250-300 MB RAM at my machine at 7-20 Tabs, distributed to a few windows.

IE is only a virus and worm downloading machine in my opinion. I use it only to view self-designed HTML pages, to see if it's compatible.

Opera... maybe it's a good browser, but it often troubles java-applications.

Jesus christ guys - why the hell do you need 20 tabs?

Yeah, I hear you Dean - right now I've only got 5 open and using 2 of them. I hate having it when all you can see is the favicon, waay too cluttered.

Yeah, I hear you Dean - right now I've only got 5 open and using 2 of them. I hate having it when all you can see is the favicon, waay too cluttered.
I sometimes open up to 10 - 15 tabs because I keep opening forum threads in new tabs... however I close them quickly after viewing the threads and maybe replying too.

Jesus christ guys - why the hell do you need 20 tabs?
- website front page
- websites admin main section
- websites admin section 1
- websites admin section 2
- websites admin section 3
- websites forum
- whm
- cpanel
- phpmyadmin section 1
- phpmyadmin section 2
- gmail
- google news
- etc
It all ads up. I hate having to reopen stuff I close, so I just keep it open :)

Opera is not just a browser, it's a community - http://my.opera.com/community/

And firefox is a Money Ram Eater, anyhow they're getting a lot of cash to use google in their search engine :D