myorderbox allowed?

[Jovial]

are myorderbox.com resellers allowed to advertise their paid hosting and domains here?

[Jan]

What is it exactly?


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[Dan]

I think MyOrderBox are something to do with Directi.
At least the registrar I use is MyOrderBox but is a directi reseller.

[Jovial]

yes
its directi reseller
is it allowed?

[Jan]

Can you PM me a sample post please?

[impactgc]

it is an unbranded site from DirectI .. that allows resellers to brand the site and resell domains, SSL and other programs.

If this isn't allowed - then no resellers of hosting should be either LOL

Thanks,
Adam

[Darknight]

Seen many people post ads to these befor
Dont see why it wouldnt be aloud
I agre with adam.

[impactgc]

Here is what it looks like: http://domains.igchosting.com .

You can set your own domain name to it or just use theirs.

Thanks,
Adam

[Darknight]

Adam,
Who did you signup with?
I want to get the best deal of one of them :P

[Jovial]

well the best deal is at
pwinc.myorderbox.com
i signed up there
just 6.85$ for .coms

[Jan]

Here is what it looks like: http://domains.igchosting.com .
That, and the link Royals sent me, look like affiliate redirects. Is that how it works?

[Darknight]

well the best deal is at
pwinc.myorderbox.com
i signed up there
just 6.85$ for .coms
Thanks :)


Jan, kinda its only really the same as paying for a domain reseller account though,
Well thats all it really is same with the SSL certs etc
you can do all this without the program if your willing to pay
So its not real differnt Im getting one to manage my domains but Ill still sell them via my main site :)

[Richard]

That, and the link Royals sent me, look like affiliate redirects. Is that how it works?

Yes, they work exactly the same as the godaddy system. Everything is hosted on their server, you point your domain to them.

[Jan]

Then it won't be allowed :)

[impactgc]

This is not a affilate link at ALL.. How do you see an affiliate link out of domains.igchosting.com? Except maybe the design is the same?

if a person purchases a domain from domains.igchosting.com(or any other myorderbox.com) - the person pays IGC for the domain and inturn IGC pays ResellerClub(directi) for that domain. This is for all their services.. The customers DOES NOT pay Directi/resellerclub directly.

An affiliate program you would get a commission off the sale and not be involved in the trasactions. With this you are always in involved in the transactions and you even set pricing and layout of the pages.

I can't believe this wouldn't be allowed - it is the same thing as a reseller account for hosting! Except that directi/resellerclub sets up a unbranded site for you.(really nice of them :) )

Sorry but if resellers are allowed this should be. if Jan wants to not allow this.. then you have to not allow resellers-- IT IS THE SAME THING.

Thanks,
Adam

[Darknight]

Yep its not a scam you fully manage your site and have full control over sales, prices, registrations etc It still involves work and lots of it just like everything else in hosting
Its not easy or a scam
The only thing hosted on them servers is a super site (API) you dont even have to use it...
affiliate is differnt as explained above..
Might pay to take the time to google affiliate meaning
I read the godaddy thing it seems to just be a reseller too
:S
When selling domains you have to go through a reseller you cant ban all the reseller plans out there
Anyway ill keep using it eitherway as iv never had a issue no ones ever complained
Bye

[impactgc]

Internalx -

I agree! As I stated this is not an affiliate program and some should look up the meaning.. AND if they don't use the product - should actually say they don't.

Jan - if you really want to look at what it is - go to resellerclub.com - it will give you all the information you need!

It is just that- a site they provide that also can be connected via an API.. There is a lot of work that goes into this site. Customizations that take hours.

Anyway if you don't allow this- then there are alot of resellers that can't advertise. :)

Thanks
Adam

[Richard]

This is not a affilate link at ALL.. How do you see an affiliate link out of domains.igchosting.com? Except maybe the design is the same?

if a person purchases a domain from domains.igchosting.com(or any other myorderbox.com) - the person pays IGC for the domain and inturn IGC pays ResellerClub(directi) for that domain. This is for all their services.. The customers DOES NOT pay Directi/resellerclub directly.

An affiliate program you would get a commission off the sale and not be involved in the trasactions. With this you are always in involved in the transactions and you even set pricing and layout of the pages.

I can't believe this wouldn't be allowed - it is the same thing as a reseller account for hosting! Except that directi/resellerclub sets up a unbranded site for you.(really nice of them :) )

Sorry but if resellers are allowed this should be. if Jan wants to not allow this.. then you have to not allow resellers-- IT IS THE SAME THING.

Thanks,
Adam

It's NOT the same as a reseller account, it's exactly the same (Other than the billing method) as resellerspanel.

THEY setup the site for you.
THEY set the themes you can use.
THEY control the major content of your site.

If your going to allow this, then your have to allow resellerspanel and the godaddy system, then watch this place go under.

Regards,
Richard Anderson

[impactgc]

I have never used resellerpanel..

Which resellerpanel who does the transaction and who takes the transaction and pays resellerpanel and pays the reseller?

If resellerpanel take care of ALL of that and then pays out the reseller the profit - then it is different.

if the reseller charges the customer and then has to pay reseller panel - then it is the same.

Also with resellerclub/directi you have full control over the template. You can pretty much add your site to it.. not just what they offer. You can add pages and modify all the pages, css etc.

Does godaddy process everything as well and then send the reseller a commission check? if so still different then resellclub.

Thanks,
Adam

[Wojtek]

The way DirectI (myorderbox) works is that you have both free and paid resellers.

If you resell directly from DirectI, you have to purchase a reseller package.
But if you resell from a reseller, you could have a free reseller account.

However, in both cases, you need to deposit money in your account before being able to sell something. You need to fill in your 'inventory'.

Upfront costs to sell =/= affiliate program.
The way I see it, is that an affiliate program is when there's no upfront costs and you only get the commision, which is not the case with myorderbox.

I would allow it.

P.S Craig uses it for his hosting department's domain site.

[Richard]

Upfront costs to sell =/= affiliate program.

You have to pay an upfront cost for the godaddy system, are you going to be allowing that now as well?

[Wojtek]

You have to pay an upfront cost for the godaddy system, are you going to be allowing that now as well?
Was not aware of that.
Very well, i wont allow myorderbox-only sites :)

The only way you could use it is to setup the api in your billing software so it's transparent. Same as enom or anything else.

[impactgc]

Sorry - but I think this is the dumbest thing not to allow.

Why aren't these type of sites allowed- or did I miss it in this post?

People work hard to put these sites up and make them run.. It isn't like you can turn it on- you have to fund it, change the pricing, put up a logo, change the templates-- I think I can stop there.

Are you worried about people being scammed -- HELLO how many posts are on this forum about customer getting scammed by their hosting company..

I just don't agree.

But I would like to know why it is banned or not allowed.

Thanks,
Adam

[Wojtek]

With Myorderbox the only thing you can sell are domains. (last time I looked)

I don't think you only sell domains, you also sell hosting, right?
Just configure your billing software to connect to myorderbox to sell domains.

That's what I do myself, and I don't advertise my myorderbox site (why would you?), only the main site, which registers domains from directi if needed.


At this point, the reason for not allowing to advertise it I could give you is that you don't own the branded myorderbox site.
You could however have a myorderbox site setup that your members could use to administer their domains after ordering through your main site.

[Volt.Networks]

After reading through this thread (in the middle of the night) I'm a little lost and kind of tired to go back to re-read it. But basically myorderbox is pretty similar to the way reseller hosting works. You have to pay to register the domains then you resell it at a higher price for profit. Like Craig, I use a similar method for my site. It's an API plugged into my site so it's pretty transparent.

What you're saying is that the API method is allowed and a website just for the domains is not allowed, correct?

[sellwhm]

In my other thread, I tried to argue about the same thing. Myorderbox is the same thing. Its a reseller site. I still don't see why I can't advertise my wild west domains account. I do pay money for it every year. If I can't advertise it, its throwing away money. If you allow myorderbox, you should allow wild west.

[Wojtek]

What you're saying is that the API method is allowed and a website just for the domains is not allowed, correct?
Correct.

You can use whoever's API you want to register domains from your site. (enom, directi, opensrs, whatever)
However what you cannot do is advertise here a branded website from any domain or hosting reseller. It has to be your own website.

[Jovial]

well
how if its like this
u wont allow if its hosted on their servers
i will CREATE MY OWN SITE USING API KIT and host it myself
will you allow then?

[Richard]

well
how if its like this
u wont allow if its hosted on their servers
i will CREATE MY OWN SITE USING API KIT and host it myself
will you allow then?

As Wojtek said already:



What you're saying is that the API method is allowed and a website just for the domains is not allowed, correct?

Correct.

You can use whoever's API you want to register domains from your site. (enom, directi, opensrs, whatever)
However what you cannot do is advertise here a branded website from any domain or hosting reseller. It has to be your own website.

[Darknight]

P.S Craig uses it for his hosting department's domain site.
I know
Thats why Iv never botherd asking
Anyway I wont spam mine here however I will link to it on my main site
*Shrugs* :classic2:

[impactgc]

However what you cannot do is advertise here a branded website from any domain or hosting reseller. It has to be your own website.

With directi/resellerclub - you can make your own site and use their API and let them host it! With their tools you can change anything you want. You can literally have your site be on their server! Why waste time using their APi on your site when you can do this ALOT quicker? You can also use a custom domain name like I and other do.

If godaddy can do this - then why the heck not allow it?


At this point, the reason for not allowing to advertise it I could give you is that you don't own the branded myorderbox site.

Really who owns a domain really? when you purchase it- all you are doing is renting the name from ICANN. So their is a FINE LINE on who owns all the domains names.

So anyone that posts " hey you can get a great deal here <insert link> you should try them out!" Should be deleted since they are advertising a domain they don't own.

I think you guys are trying to fish where is no water! Allow these people to advertise their godaddy and directi reseller accounts.

How about this.. If someone wants to sell domains - send them to your home page or some page and then redirect them to the reseller page:) you do own your domain name. -- or is this not allowed either?

Thanks,
Adam

[Richard]

If godaddy can do this - then why the heck not allow it?

Because it would ruin this forum.

[Darknight]

Um they wont care if you just link to it via your site
Rules are no ad's for it here
As in you cant come here offering it :P

In a way its a ok idea
Imagin the amount of people that would come here offering all this stuff they havnt paid a cent for if it was allowed :\
I see the points of both sides

after reading all this thread

[impactgc]

How will it "ruin" the forum?

Thanks,
Adam

[Wojtek]

Why waste time using their APi on your site when you can do this ALOT quicker?
Whatever, use what you want.
You just won't be able to advertise your directi supersite here.



Really who owns a domain really? when you purchase it- all you are doing is renting the name from ICANN. So their is a FINE LINE on who owns all the domains names.

So anyone that posts " hey you can get a great deal here <insert link> you should try them out!" Should be deleted since they are advertising a domain they don't own.

I never talked about domains. I talked about the underlying website. They own it. If they decide to close shop, there's nothing you can do and you lose the site.



How about this.. If someone wants to sell domains - send them to your home page or some page and then redirect them to the reseller page:) you do own your domain name. -- or is this not allowed either?

No. It's not hard to configure the DirectI plugin in your billing software.
As I said before, you can have a directi supersite that your members can use to administer their domains after ordering (it's the only way, unless you plan to do it all manually yourself).

BUT, this cannot be the site that processes and registers domains for members. You could link to it in the welcome email you send out to your members if they order a domain.


How will it "ruin" the forum?
By decreasing the quality. They all look identical except for the logo.

[impactgc]

They own it. If they decide to close shop, there's nothing you can do and you lose the site.

How about people that are resellers? What if the main hosting company closes up shop... Poor reasoning there. And what does this have to do with advertising.. once again reaching


No. It's not hard to configure the DirectI plugin in your billing software.


Most billing systems have this intergrated.. AWBS and WHMCS have intergated both.


By decreasing the quality. They all look identical except for the logo.

OK you need to re-read what I stated -- YOU CAN CHANGE ANYTHING YOU WANT ON THEIR TEMPLATES. You can add pages, remove pages.. etc!

I know your a mod- and we have to listen to you on this site.. But what your saying doesn't make sense -- to me at least -- assuming others as well.

Why not get rid of free hosting posts? Free hosting companies close up shop more often then domain registrants? If you are trying to protect your members here - start there, not people that are trying to resell domains using a site that is USED to SELL domains and other products.

All you mods - should have a discussion and change your minds while at it!

Well whatever - this isn't my fight nor did I start this thread.

Thanks,
Adam

[Wojtek]

How about people that are resellers? What if the main hosting company closes up shop...

To tell you the thruth I don't like them either :)



Most billing systems have this intergrated.. AWBS and WHMCS have intergated both.

Right, add whoiscart, clientexec, modernbill to that list. They all have the directi plugin built-in. What's your point again? That the billing software you use has the directi plugin?



Why not get rid of free hosting posts? Free hosting companies close up shop more often then domain registrants?
Did you miss the word FREE in Free Hosting? ;)


I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I checked your website and tried to order a domain, and it seems you already configured your billing software to process domain registrations.

So why the fuss over advertising a directi reseller page?
Just advertise your your main site and if someone order a domain give them your directi link so they could manage it.

[impactgc]

I just disagree with the fact you would limit people and not allow them to use that site..

I don't argue just to argue - I just think it isn't right not to allow them.

I am done disagreeing :)

FYI: Thank you for visiting our web site LOL

Thanks,
Adam