Hosts using an unlimited reseller

[Richard]

Hey,

Seeing as hosts can no longer offer their unlimited packages around here, they are making up some stupid offers, like 30GB diskspace and 300GB bandwidth for $5/month.

It's easy to tell if a host is using an unlimited reseller, just do a DNS report, I will give an example:

Removed the Username + URL

DNS report:
OK: All of your mailservers have their host name in the greeting:

vnxhost.ch:
220-charlie.swduk.net ESMTP Exim 4.63 #1 Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:17:24 -0500 220-We do not authorize the use of this system to transport unsolicited, 220 and/or bulk e-mail.

http://swduk.net/content/master_reseller.html


The MASTER Reseller Hosting package is based on an unmetered account on one of our dedicated servers. The account is totally unlimited but does have terms and conditions and must follow our Acceptable use Policy. This MASTER Reseller Hosting Solution includes the following..

SPECIAL OFFER Price: £15.49 / Month

- Storage (Disk Space): UNLIMITED GB / Month
- Bandwidth: UNLIMITED GB / Month

- Control panel: CPANEL ADMIN / WHM / WHM RESELLER (Master reseller software)

So my answer, is he should be warned for making offers when he is still using this unlimited reseller.

What do the rest of you think? If we can prove they have an unlimited reseller using the report section, do you think they should be warned and their offer removed?

[Paul]

Do you think the mods will have the time and effort to go thru all the offers like that to see if they are on an unlimited account?

What about if they can offer this for that price? and there post gets deleted

People should just do whois on the domains to see how long the host has been running for

[Richard]

plbuck,

I would not mind reporting all offers I see that are using an unlimited reseller and then use the report feature to report the offer to the mods with proof in the form of links (DNS Report, Hosts site, etc) that prove they are using an unlimited reseller account.

[Paul]

But they (mostly kids) are then going to readvertise again and again, under different username breaking fws rules. All to prove a point that they are using and unlimited resellers account. The kids that want the massive amounts of space and bandwidth will end up going with other kids no matter if they are on a unlimited resellers or not.

I think a 14 year old with a fake paypal account is going to choose the $5 account over the 19.95 account.

[Richard]

Yes, but then at least they will eventually just give up once their new accounts keeps getting banned for breaking the rules.

[Paul]

its then putting more pressure on mods, deleting unwanted accounts, Going to other forums.....

They see how easy it can be to make money on the internet then they shall be determind to make it

At the end of the day, what is bad about kids selling hosting. They are giving it ago. Its just us adults that become tight and wish to pay $5 a month for excessive hosting knowing that its highly impossible.

[Kwek]

The problem with kids selling hosting is that they are underage. Many of them are not even good with technical stuff.

They're unable to provide satisfactory services, and people buying hosting definitely need reliable hosting. Paying for a hosting service run by inexperienced kids can cause many troubles to both the host and hostee.

[Paul]

The educated should then know of this. It is adults that then get sucked into this $5 hosting to find they close down the week later. What stops us from stopping them creating a host. If they got the $10 it needs to start a host then they are going to start a host.


The problem with kids selling hosting is that they are underage.

Thats because they happen to be kids

@Kwek,

I don't know if you are a kid however it sound very like it by this post made a year ago http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84322

You provide a great hosting service that closed down within a year, How would you like me to accuse you of been on an unlimited resellers account

[Richard]

It's because there are loads of 100GB Diskspace and 1,000GB bandwidth for $1/month offers, that people think it's the normal, and as they think it's the normal, they request it.

At the current time, even some of the respected hosts on this forum are starting to offer 100+GB bandwidth for less than $5/month because it's the only way they can make a sale, using their reputation of non-overselling TO oversell.

Getting rid of the unlimited resellers wont stop this problem, but it will help educate the hosts, and the hostee's on the matter. And if they go to another forum, big deal, then it's their problem, not ours.

[Peo]

Can we discuss this without mentioning other members? Otherwise this will just be a thread where people attack eachother instead of discussing the issue. Thanks.

[Richard]

Can we discuss this without mentioning other members? Otherwise this will just be a thread where people attack eachother instead of discussing the issue. Thanks.

Sorry. I was just using it as an example.

The username and URL have been removed.

[James]

Yes we all want to kill them, but I think it's also wrong to ban/kick/bully web hosts because of their plan specs - whether it is unlimited or not. Where do you set the borderline? You can't.

If they want to provide 400GB/1000GB for 3 dollars, that is their business and their problem, none of us have the authority nor rights to tell them they can't do it and abuse at them.

[Kwek]

The educated should then know of this. It is adults that then get sucked into this $5 hosting to find they close down the week later. What stops us from stopping them creating a host. If they got the $10 it needs to start a host then they are going to start a host.



Thats because they happen to be kids

@Kwek,

I don't know if you are a kid however it sound very like it by this post made a year ago http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=84322

You provide a great hosting service that closed down within a year, How would you like me to accuse you of been on an unlimited resellers account
Lets get the facts right. Yes, I am a kid but I have learned from my experiences. Anyway, that was from ResellersPanel and it was long ago.

Anyway, since its on ResellersPanel it can't close down, but the domain expired. ;)

I don't mind you calling me a kid, I can be really childish sometimes in real life, and I am sure I have mentioned I am 15 before.

Honestly, I am surprised that you can still find that thread. I didn't know much about the rules then and didn't realise that ResellersPanel was prohibited... it seems that the moderators missed that thread. :P

Anyway, what I am trying to say that is kids cannot provide a reliable service. I know it as I have gone through it before... ;)

Thank you for your time in reading my 'kiddy' post.

[Paul]

I understand that they are having an impact, same as global warming is having on us and there is not really a great deal we can do about it.

It should not be a kids fault that this "professional host" does not make any money. (What is described as a professional host) how longs a piece of string?. It comes down to the business ethics behind a successful host, I am telling you now that a successful host does not get its clients from freewebspace.

@Kwek,

We have all been kids and some have ran a host, I am not saying that kids should not sell hosting and yes they may provide a bad service but what do people really expect for $5, they are not going to get 500gb of bandwidth. It is the "kids" that are complaining that these "kids" took my money. The kid is only reperesenting the name not the person itself.

I have been a kid and I still may be called a kid however no client of mine has ever felt the same way as some people do today, the main reason was; I did not offer 500gb for $3

[James]

Lets get the facts right. Yes, I am a kid.


Anyway, what I am trying to say that is kids cannot provide a reliable service.

It's not about your age or being a kid, it's about running a business/service that works.

[Kwek]

It's not about your age or being a kid, it's about running a business/service that works.
Yes, but do the kids really have time to maintain their business? Unless they drop out of school that is. Well, there might be kids who can run a reliable service, but how many is that exactly? Most of the kids can't run a hosting service properly.

Would you trust a 14 year old kid to host your important sites? Unless his host is really reputated, you would not put too much trust into him to host your important files... Of course, I have to admit that the hostees have to check properly too and make sure the host they're going with can provide a reliable service.

[Paul]

Lets get the facts right. Yes, I am a kid but I have learned from my experiences. Anyway, that was from ResellersPanel and it was long ago.

Anyway, since its on ResellersPanel it can't close down, but the domain expired. ;)

I don't mind you calling me a kid, I can be really childish sometimes in real life, and I am sure I have mentioned I am 15 before.

Honestly, I am surprised that you can still find that thread. I didn't know much about the rules then and didn't realise that ResellersPanel was prohibited... it seems that the moderators missed that thread. :P

Anyway, what I am trying to say that is kids cannot provide a reliable service. I know it as I have gone through it before... ;)

Thank you for your time in reading my 'kiddy' post.

What facts did I get wrong?, You still have closed down because the domain had expired.



Would you trust a 14 year old kid to host your important sites? Unless his host is really reputated, you would not put too much trust into him to host your important files... Of course, I have to admit that the hostees have to check properly too and make sure the host they're going with can provide a reliable service.

Would you come to freewebspace to find hosting for a professional website?, and be tight to pay $1.29 a month? Via Paypal. Not requiring any business infomation, not having a TOS, or having one copied from another website without bothering changing names

[Kwek]

Would you come to freewebspace to find hosting for a professional business?, and be tight to pay $1.29 a month? Via Paypal. Not requiring any business infomation, not having a TOS, or having one copied from another website without bothering changing names
Elaborate? I don't get what you mean by this.


What facts did I get wrong?, You still have closed down because the domain had expired.

Actually, the hosting site still can be accessed through another URL.

[Paul]

Elaborate? I don't get what you mean by this.


People running a business or a big website requiring hosting will not come to freewebspace for hosting, An experienced person will know of a host or will provide there own the rest will either pay top price thru there ISP or go with a reasonable host and dont mind parting with there money, the kids will go with kids.



Actually, the hosting site still can be accessed through another URL.

Know your just being smart

[Kwek]

People running a business or a big website requiring hosting will not come to freewebspace for hosting, An experienced person will know of a host or will provide there own the rest will either pay top price thru there ISP or go with a reasonable host and dont mind parting with there money, the kids will go with kids.
That might not be the case. What makes you think that professional webmasters doesn't go on forums to look for a professional host for their sites? You're just assuming something which might not necessarily be true.




Know your just being smart
Not trying to prove anything or whatever there, just making a point.

[Paul]

That might not be the case. What makes you think that professional webmasters doesn't go on forums to look for a professional host for their sites?
Professional hosts do not use FWS as there main source of clients, therefor not finding them here ........ It's the wanabees that advertise her as professional hosting

Professional Webmasters know the difference between a kiddy host and a non-kiddy host, they know how to do a whois and they are the ones willing to pay top $. Professional webmaster may know of a host that they think is reliable

[Kwek]

Professional hosts do not use FWS as there main source of clients, therefor not finding them here ........ It's the wanabees that advertise her as professional hosting

Professional Webmasters know the difference between a kiddy host and a non-kiddy host, they know how to do a whois and they are the ones willing to pay top $. Professional webmaster may know of a host that they think is reliable
Professional hosts will certainly also come here as they will look for many different sources of clients, so as to increase their earnings. I have seen many professional hosts advertising here.

So are you trying to imply that we should educate the hostees? Yes the professional webmasters might know the difference but how about some people who just want to start a site and they have a good idea, but get tricked by some 'kiddy hosts'? Those on unlimited resellers definitely cannot offer what they promise...

[Paul]

the people that are going to start the sites are the kids and teens trying to make a quick buck. The adults will use local hosts to them or there ISP. I dont think many adults starting there first website will use paypal or an instant messenger to setup there hosting account.

I dont see many adults complaining about kiddy hosts hear...

To the original post, I dont think its a good idea to ban kiddy hosts using unlimited resellers its up to the puchaser to be aware of kiddy hosts. It descrimination aswell. Its saying you cannot advertise here because you use this type provider

[Kwek]

the people that are going to start the sites are the kids and teens trying to make a quick buck. The adults will use local hosts to them or there ISP. I dont think many adults starting there first website will use paypal or an instant messenger to setup there hosting account.

I dont see many adults complaining about kiddy hosts hear...

To the original post, I dont think its a good idea to ban kiddy hosts using unlimited resellers its up to the puchaser to be aware of kiddy hosts. It descrimination aswell. Its saying you cannot advertise her because you use this type provider
Not really, there are adults who use shared hosting found from here and other web hosting forums too... why do you think that adults won't use such hosting services? I think you're seriously assuming too much stuff...

[Paul]

Well those adults must be happy with there choice, The only adults I have seen on here are requesting a recommendation for hosting service.

You seem to have a problem with kiddy hosts and you are a kid, No matter if its sucessful or not good on them for giving it a go and trying. They may not go that far but they had ago. And for the people that purchased kiddy hosting and lost there money, I have no sympthay for you. $5 get over it you are aware of the signs. If you think you are going to get riped off, go with your ISP! This is becomming a school yard fight with the teachers against the students.

[Kwek]

So what if I am a kid? Does that make all my points invalid?

This is becomming a school yard fight with the teachers against the students.
Are you trying to imply that you hold more authority over me just because I am a kid? I hope not.

If we can take the chance to report those hosts it would make FWS a much better source of hosts. This not only helps the hostees but will give FWS a better reputation if people can find many stable hosts here. Else if the hosts they find from here are all unstable they might just put all the blame on FWS and give FWS a bad reputation.

[Paul]

seeing that you need to blame someone then blame freewebspace for attracting these people. FWS cannot controll the quality of hosting that people advertise and it's puchase at your own risk. My point is that it seems to me that its the kids complaining about loosing there money on kiddy hosts.

[James]

So what if I am a kid? Does that make all my points invalid?

Are you trying to imply that you hold more authority over me just because I am a kid? I hope not.

If we can take the chance to report those hosts it would make FWS a much better source of hosts. This not only helps the hostees but will give FWS a better reputation if people can find many stable hosts here. Else if the hosts they find from here are all unstable they might just put all the blame on FWS and give FWS a bad reputation.

You have good intentions there Kwek, but I think trying to label certain hosts "kiddie hosts" is just never going to work.

[Kwek]

You have good intentions there Kwek, but I think trying to label certain hosts "kiddie hosts" is just never going to work.
Thank you for your kind words.:-)



seeing that you need to blame someone then blame freewebspace for attracting these people. FWS cannot controll the quality of hosting that people advertise and it's puchase at your own risk. My point is that it seems to me that its the kids complaining about loosing there money on kiddy hosts.

I think that the point of this thread is to let the admins allow us to report hosts who use unlimited resellers and to let them be warned. At least, we're doing something to try to reduce the amount of 'kiddie hosts' here. I feel that this might be useful in certain situations.

[Paul]

This is becomming a school yard fight with the teachers against the students

Its a pun; playing with words,

Meaning that the kids are defending for there selves and fighting while the more mature are proving the point

[Paul]

Tell me, What is so bad about kiddy hosts? Its not FWS responsibilty to fish them out of the pond so people dont get sucked into there 1tb offer for $3 a month knowing its impossible

[Kwek]

Its a pun; playing with words,

Meaning that the kids are defending for there selves and fighting while the more mature are proving the point
Exactly. So you are trying to say mine is wrong since I'm defending while you're proving the point?



Tell me, What is so bad about kiddy hosts? Its not FWS responsibilty to fish them out of the pond so people dont get sucked into there 1tb offer for $3 a month knowing its impossible

It might not be FWS responsiblity but the members want to help those hostees, they dislike kiddie hosts as they are not reliable at all... by reporting them we're taking our time to try to help and clear FWS of kiddie hosts.

Of course, everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion on whether something is correct or wrong. So we're basically having a pointless debate. It seems that we can't change each other minds about this issue.

[stuffradio]

Let me try and wrap this whole thread up...

If you care to know if the host you are going with is a kiddie host... only go with local hosts where you can meet in person.

If you don't, who cares, as long as they don't mess up your services it should be fine.

[Richard]

Ok. I opened this thread, not to talk about the "Kiddie" hosts, but all hosts in general using an unlimited reseller, if you want to rant about kiddie hosts, do it in another thread.

[impactgc]

I know I am going to get some slack for this. But I want to ask a question?

Has anyone seen a kid "run" or "own" a Fortune 500 company? a retail store? a corner deli? No

Why? - because "most" kids do not have the life experience nor the maturity to run a business..(also some adults don't either).

How many companies are run into the ground - not just from adults but kids as well.

Kids should be kids.. go throw around the baseball, play video games.. Leave the "serious" business making to the adults.

Now I used the word serious - cause once again most kids do not have the maturity to run a business let alone have enough experience to run one.

Ok there is my quick question and comment.

You all can throw tomatoes at me LOL

Thanks,
Adam

[Galaxy-Hosts.com]

I think an idea mentioned here (http://freewebspace.net/forums/showpost.php?p=845968&postcount=74) would be a suitable solution to this problem as well. While it is possible that a registered company could us an unlimited resellers account, it is highly unlikely. Anyone who invested the time and money to be a legally registered company would probably not make the dumb mistake of using a shody service, like an unlimited reseller account, to host their clients.

[impactgc]

I agree with that - it would be a good benchmark for people to know about the company they may choose.

My company is an LLC and have been in business since 2000 :) So I don't mind at all

Thanks,
Adam

[tumble]

yep i wass thinking about LLC. Until i checked the tax codes in California and discovered a Min 800 USD tax per year.

[Paul]

If you care to know if the host you are going with is a kiddie host... only go with local hosts where you can meet in person.

If you don't, who cares, as long as they don't mess up your services it should be fine.

I could not aggree more,

Its the uneducated buying from the uneducated, Puchasing hosting via msn or other instant messenging is not a productive way to buy hosting. These are the signs that tell you the host is going to close down after a week

[Kwek]

I could not aggree more,

Its the uneducated buying from the uneducated, Puchasing hosting via msn or other instant messenging is not a productive way to buy hosting. These are the signs that tell you the host is going to close down after a week
So that means if somebody purchase hosting from a reputated web hosting company via MSN it's gonna close down? What you've said is not totally logical.

[Paul]

What reputated webhosting company conducts its purchases over MSN?

I not sure what your standard of professional is....

[Kwek]

What reputated webhosting company conducts its purchases over MSN?

I not sure what your standard of professional is....
They might be discussing a plan through MSN. It is certainly possible. Of course, they can use emails or live support but I believe MSN is also an alternative. I don't see why it is impossible.

You seem to set your standards too high.

[Paul]

You seem to set your standards too high.

That is then my definition of "Professional Hosting"

[Kwek]

That is then my definition of "Professional Hosting"
So once again, we show that we each have our own definitions and standards.

It is really pointless to continue since we will come to no conclusion, however if you still wish to carry on go ahead. I will continue to prove my point as long as you wish to continue.

[JohnN]

at the end of the day kiddy hosts don't last, its as simple as that. The successfully hosts to emerge from this forum (notably crags hostingdepartment) have been run by adults. Children should not be running hosts, I was far to busy when I was in ks3/ks4 (thats 12-16 i believe) to run a host, how the kids on this forum do it I don't want to know (I'm guessing their education is getting ruined)

[Dini]

That is then my definition of "Professional Hosting"

you've got it more than right

[Cam.]

Well, I think that "kiddy hosts" as some people have called them should be closed down. I once when I was about 14 started 1 terabyte hosting for free running off a master reseller as I thought It would be fun. Now when I got closed down by the company providing me with a master reseller alot of people (100+) lost lots and lots of files. This really shows that you should wait until you are older or at least offer small well priced plans.

[GeorgeB]

Hey,

Seeing as hosts can no longer offer their unlimited packages around here, they are making up some stupid offers, like 30GB diskspace and 300GB bandwidth for $5/month.

It's easy to tell if a host is using an unlimited reseller, just do a DNS report, I will give an example:

Removed the Username + URL

DNS report:

http://swduk.net/content/master_reseller.html



So my answer, is he should be warned for making offers when he is still using this unlimited reseller.

What do the rest of you think? If we can prove they have an unlimited reseller using the report section, do you think they should be warned and their offer removed?

I can see your point and a valid one to a degree, but plenty of people operate under a unmetered account. I have seen tons of successful web hosting companies using an unmetered server.

If people want to go with these companies, then really it is their business. If they decide to go with any web host, then everyone is still taking a chance and hoping that the host will still be up a month for now.

If you have a problem with a post, then with all due respect, just report it.

I am sure the mods have more important things to do with their time, then going through each and every thread and trying to determine which is what.

[Kwek]

If you have a problem with a post, then with all due respect, just report it.

I am sure the mods have more important things to do with their time, then going through each and every thread and trying to determine which is what.

What do the rest of you think? If we can prove they have an unlimited reseller using the report section, do you think they should be warned and their offer removed?
Maybe you could bother to read clearly. He was asking that if he can prove that point through the report function, should the mods remove the offer and warn the user?

He is not asking the mod to go through each and every offer to check, instead he was referring to the report function.

[redboyke]

I know I am going to get some slack for this. But I want to ask a question?

Has anyone seen a kid "run" or "own" a Fortune 500 company? a retail store? a corner deli? No

Why? - because "most" kids do not have the life experience nor the maturity to run a business..(also some adults don't either).

How many companies are run into the ground - not just from adults but kids as well.

Kids should be kids.. go throw around the baseball, play video games.. Leave the "serious" business making to the adults.

Now I used the word serious - cause once again most kids do not have the maturity to run a business let alone have enough experience to run one.

Ok there is my quick question and comment.

You all can throw tomatoes at me LOL

Thanks,
Adam

i was in a boarding school and started a 'ittle 'store' selling sigarets, liquior and sweets at school and i got kicked out because of it.
did i make profit? not much but yes in my eyes it was 'successfull'
depends what your goals are to see if u are successfull.
and it did make me popular at school :P

reason why kids arent allowed to have a company isnt because they are incapable but just because it's against the law

i see many company's that dont put their company's info on their site while it manditory by law. a company cant ask for VAT unless they are listed as one
also to run a company you need a business management degree(in belgium)
and have the minimum age of 18.

[Kwek]

Web Hosting is different from just selling stuff, you have to be prepared for any legal issues, technical problems, etc.

[GeorgeB]

Maybe you could bother to read clearly. He was asking that if he can prove that point through the report function, should the mods remove the offer and warn the user?

He is not asking the mod to go through each and every offer to check, instead he was referring to the report function.


Ok, but then PEO better hire a lot more mods than he has now for this site, other wise, him and the mods that frequent the forum, are going to be over loaded.

And by the way, we all sometimes miss understand things. Its human nature.

[Richard]

Ok, but then PEO better hire a lot more mods than he has now for this site, other wise, him and the mods that frequent the forum, are going to be over loaded.

And by the way, we all sometimes miss understand things. Its human nature.

I agree, but something needs to be done.

[Sam2000]

Well personally speaking..

I feel that anyone (regardless of age) can read a load of tutorials and get about $30 in a PayPal account and get a reseller account with a helluva lot of resources. Its rather easy, it just requires a bit of dedication.

However, I believe that if you're offering dedicated space or resellers, you should atleast ask for telephone verification and you should easily be able to tell if the person is underage or not by questioning their knowledge. How they speak, their knowledge, tone, etc.

And I DO BELIEVE its illegal to offer these services to a child. Can someone confirm this for me?

[DavidsAwesome]

I agree, but something needs to be done.

I agree... but I don't think slapping red tape all over the forums is the correct way to handle things.

What about educating the users on how to check to see if a host is good or not? Tell them what to look for?

I too have grown tired of seeing huge offers with tiny prices.... I mean, I throw out cheap offers every now and then, but I still have a set price in my head that I would never go below, and Its hard to compete with people that don't have to think of whether they'll make money off an account or not, or if they can afford server upgrades when they're needed, or if they can afford to hire support staff when needed.

:book: So how do we fix this problem?

[Kwek]

I agree... but I don't think slapping red tape all over the forums is the correct way to handle things.

What about educating the users on how to check to see if a host is good or not? Tell them what to look for?

I too have grown tired of seeing huge offers with tiny prices.... I mean, I throw out cheap offers every now and then, but I still have a set price in my head that I would never go below, and Its hard to compete with people that don't have to think of whether they'll make money off an account or not, or if they can afford server upgrades when they're needed, or if they can afford to hire support staff when needed.

:book: So how do we fix this problem?
Well most members don't seem to bother when you try to educate them and guide them into choosing a good host. Also as previously mentioned by someone else, the hosts need to be educated too.

[Paul]

We know the signs, Its our wallets taking over our brain when puchasing hosting. It seems that its the teens getting sucked in, You either get free or paid. Paid hosting is not 50c a month

[Jan]

We know the signs, Its our wallets taking over our brain when puchasing hosting. It seems that its the teens getting sucked in, You either get free or paid. Paid hosting is not 50c a month
My brains rule my wallet :)

[Jun Luzon]

I don't have a wallet... now I wonder if I have a brain. :cry2:

[Craig]

My brains rule my wallet :)

You mean girls have brains :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:.

From my own view why the hell are other hosts so concerned about these unlimited resellers, WHO CARES. Its not your business, too many people are more concerned about other peoples business's than their own.

Anyway, I now have to run & hide before Jan hunts me down :nervous:

[Kwek]

You mean girls have brains.

From my own view why the hell are other hosts so concerned about these unlimited resellers, WHO CARES. Its not your business, too many people are more concerned about other peoples business's than their own.

Anyway, I now have to run & hide before Jan hunts me down :nervous:
I am not a host. :lol::lol::lol: They are just concerned about others that's all... :lol::lol::lol:

[GeorgeB]

I agree, but something needs to be done.

I agree that something needs to be done. The moderators/admins that come on here frequently do a good job, but I am sure assigning a few others that come on or can come on every day would help a bit more.

However, I have no say in it. Just like you, voicing an opinion.

[midwesthosting]

I think ALL host should have to buy a business license like i do and they have to be 18 to buy one

[GeorgeB]

I think ALL host should have to buy a business license like i do and they have to be 18 to buy one

Well if you want to get technical with it beings no one likes "kids" running web hosting companies, then everyone should be 21 or 25 depending on your state/country to own a web hosting company and to advertise here. Good luck in trying to make that happen.

No matter what people of any age will always start and break companies.

FWS.net is not the only place for them to advertise (No offense PEO), as everyone knows there is other forums on the net similiar to FWS.net even if they do have no the member base that this forum has.

People need to use "Common sense" when doing business with anyone, but many people don't do that, so it is on them really.

And my post is to everyone in general, not just yourself.

[shellgd]

In other word, I think maybe reseller is not quite reliable, but it still called reseller, so they also have permission to sell their product. We cannot do a absolutely comment said that they are bad on selling.
Reseller in my mind, just like an agent in our real world.

[Paul]

From my own view why the hell are other hosts so concerned about these unlimited resellers, WHO CARES. Its not your business, too many people are more concerned about other peoples business's than their own.

They need someone to blame for there low/no sales, surprized if any of these hosts even have a client.

[Jun Luzon]

You mean girls have brains :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:.


Let me guess what Jan is gonna say,

"Girls' brains are always empty like their wallets." ROFL

Okay, back to the topic.

:car:

[Jan]

Okay, back to the topic.
Good idea! :topic:

[Craig]

Good idea! :topic:

Sorry Jan :cry2:.

[Craig]

They need someone to blame for there low/no sales, surprized if any of these hosts even have a client.

It takes time to build a client list, I bet half of the new providers have to wait between 2-6 months before they get there first client. Sadly these hosts cant wait this long & they shutdown, the ones that last for over 3-6 months have a good chance of staying online.

[Paul]

It takes time to build a client list, I bet half of the new providers have to wait between 2-6 months before they get there first client. Sadly these hosts cant wait this long & they shutdown, the ones that last for over 3-6 months have a good chance of staying online.

And then this is why they post rediculas offerers, Its not just the children its adults aswell