Shame on Canada

[Dini]

I'm sure most of you people know about the Soccer World Cup (Sub 20) being held in Canada. Well, my country (Chile) clasified to the semi-finals with Argentina. An awesome campaign with no goals against us and our goalkeeper making a world record on this.

Yesterday, we played the match against Argentina. A very unfair match, were the judge gave an evident preference to Argentina (a fact that was even accepted by Argentina during the end of the match). We can't blame Canada for this, but we can blame then for the violence shown against our players. After the match, Toronto's police dept. beated the crap out of our team and some of the staff. Chilean press was unable to film this by action of the police. This was unjustified and very unfair for our country.

Therefore, I declare - as most of my fellow chileans do - that Canada is an extreamly racist country, as they treated us like animals (what they think we are).

I'm looking for press links on both sides, but most of them are in Spanish.

Shame on Canada

[Dini]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/fifau20/story/2007/07/20/blatter-chile-brawl.html from CBC (Canada)

http://www.emol.com/noticias/deportes/detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=263157 from EMOL (Chile)

The differences are clear, but EMOL shows facts that are not told in the CBC reports. If you need translating, I'll do it

[Decker]

Not a glowing report for the maple leaf there Dini, hopefully someone can clear it up and it's a very small minority involved.
I'd hate to think it was a majority or even a substantial minority, of Canada feeling this way and behaving in such a fashion.

[Dini]

By Canadians I'm indeed generalizing, I'm aware of that. But actions like this clearly reflect the behaviour of a country, or a culture.


Not a glowing report for the maple leaf there Dini

I'm sorry, I didin't get that :lol:

[Decker]

Maple leaf, the symbol on the national flag, leaf of the maple tree :)

[Dini]

Oh, I got it now, though it was some kind of Scottish saying :p shame on me there

[jmiller]

Man, that really made my day. Do you not see the irony in any of what you just said?

[themoose]

It's kinda ironic; by calling Canadians racist you yourself are being a racist.

[Nug]

No, he's generalizing..
And Canadians are not a race.

[themoose]

Shut it you.

Neither are the french, but when I shout "I hate the french them bastards!" everybody calls me a racist.

[Nug]

Shut it you.

Neither are the french, but when I shout "I hate the french them bastards!" everybody calls me a racist.

Well that just means you have commen sense :p
It's a joke so stfu

Racist means you beleave that your race is superior to others..

[Dini]

It's kinda ironic; by calling Canadians racist you yourself are being a racist.

I consider my self a racist at this moment, mostly because I'd be happy to kill a canadian :angel:

Actually you're right, except for the ironic part. I'm attacking them in a forum, were any canadian can defend himself. They beated the crap out of our team and staff as cowards.

[Decker]

Man, that really made my day. Do you not see the irony in any of what you just said?

:lol: wondered if anyone would pick that one up, I forgive you Dini, obviously just a slip up :P

[themoose]

Man, that really made my day. Do you not see the irony in any of what you just said?

Haha I honestly didnt even see your post before I posted mine. If I did I'd probably say something instead like

If there's 2 things in this world I hate, it's people who're intolerant of other people's cultures; and the dutch.

[jmiller]

I consider my self a racist at this moment, mostly because I'd be happy to kill a canadian :angel:

Actually you're right, except for the ironic part. I'm attacking them in a forum, were any canadian can defend himself. They beated the crap out of our team and staff as cowards.A small group of individuals. Not the whole country. What a ridiculous generalization.

You really need to grow up. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Dini]

A small group of individuals. Not the whole country. What a ridiculous generalization.

You really need to grow up. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

A small group of individuals being backed up by almost the whole country at this moment. It's seems you don't even have an idea of what happened, so don't judge my posts with that attitude. It seems you could grow up a little too.

[jmiller]

A small group of individuals being backed up by almost the whole country at this moment. It's seems you don't even have an idea of what happened, so don't judge my posts with that attitude. It seems you could grow up a little too.It's really funny. You act as if you were there. You;re doing nothing but listening to hearsay. Of course the media is going to skew what really happened. You're not going to get the real story.

What you're doing is stating the Canadian media as being false and the Chilean media as correct. Based on what?

And let's not forget that FIFA isn;t supporting Chile, so what does that say? I think the officials may have a better idea of what was going on.

[Dini]

It's really funny. You act as if you were there. You;re doing nothing but listening to hearsay. Of course the media is going to skew what really happened. You're not going to get the real story.

What you're doing is stating the Canadian media as being false and the Chilean media as correct. Based on what?

And let's not forget that FIFA isn;t supporting Chile, so what does that say? I think the officials may have a better idea of what was going on.

Of course I just listen to hear say. There are not actual press reports about this from Chile because chilean journalists were kept away from this incident. Afterwards, they even took the film from their cameras. Everything I know is coming from the testimonies of our players and the journalists.

I never said chilean press was right and canadian was false. I just said that chilean press showed facts not shown in the canadian one.

The FIFA isn't supporting Chile, but they had people watching how the police reacted that didin't do anything (according to the testimonies). That's all I have to say about that.

By the way, the president of my country decided to make a complaint against Canada for this actions, so don't think I'm over reacting here.

[Blank Verse]

Except you are. You want to talk facts? Let's talk facts.

You have said the following things:

1. Therefore, I declare - as most of my fellow chileans do - that Canada is an extreamly racist country, as they treated us like animals (what they think we are)

2. By Canadians I'm indeed generalizing, I'm aware of that. But actions like this clearly reflect the behaviour of a country, or a culture.

3. I consider my self a racist at this moment, mostly because I'd be happy to kill a canadian

Actually you're right, except for the ironic part. I'm attacking them in a forum, were any canadian can defend himself. They beated the crap out of our team and staff as cowards

4. A small group of individuals being backed up by almost the whole country at this moment. It's seems you don't even have an idea of what happened, so don't judge my posts with that attitude. It seems you could grow up a little too.

And so forth. Here is what we can conclude, based on these facts.

1. Your scathing words about the shame of another country are defeated and rendered useless when you say you would gladly kill someone from that country.
2. Everything you're hearing is coming from the testimony of clearly angry people with no way to back up what they were saying.
3. Calling an entire country racist on the actions of a few people = ironic.
4. You're making yourself look like an -------.

Now I saw the game, and I saw the footage of what happened, and I've heard all the comments that FIFA has made. I'll agree that the police did not handle the situation as best as they could have, but they were certainly not out of line. You, my friend, need to read up on your current events a little bit more before you go bandying about the "r" word.

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Augusto Pinochet

[Darknight]

I consider my self a racist at this moment, mostly because I'd be happy to kill a canadian
And you reckon the police over reacted??
Grow up.

By Canadians I'm indeed generalizing, I'm aware of that. But actions like this clearly reflect the behaviour of a country, or a culture.
No.. Its a game, not everyone in canada watchs/plays it.

A small group of individuals. Not the whole country. What a ridiculous generalization.

You really need to grow up. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Agreed.

[Dini]

Augusto Pinochet

Do you even know who he is (was)? I feel like ---- being compared to him.

When I said I would kill a canadian I was making a joke. Of course your opinion against this episode is as biased as the worldwide's press point of view. I feel ashamed by the attitude of most people in this forum. Your --- is raised up to heaven just as most self called first world people.


I'm done here.

[stuffradio]

Correction Dini, your opinions in this matter is biased. You're attacking every Canadian, you can't make jokes like that in text as there is no emotion. Of course if we could hear you maybe there would be a hint of sarcasm in which case most people would just shrug it off.

What happened there(I haven't seen it yet) was totally the police, the Toronto police should be the ones ridiculed or whatever you want to do. By saying you'd kill any Canadian makes you the racist



Racism - hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

[Dini]

Correction Dini, your opinions in this matter is biased. You're attacking every Canadian, you can't make jokes like that in text as there is no emotion. Of course if we could hear you maybe there would be a hint of sarcasm in which case most people would just shrug it off.

What happened there(I haven't seen it yet) was totally the police, the Toronto police should be the ones ridiculed or whatever you want to do. By saying you'd kill any Canadian makes you the racist

Ok, thanks Carl for making an opinion I can actually work with.

I think you still don't understand me. When I include canadians in this matter I'm based in the fact that they're not against this police reaction (according to what I've seen in canadian press and even in the comments made on these websites).

Yes, when I said I'd kill a canadian it was a joke, but I still don't consider it racism. Canadians are not another race, but still this event makes me feel they consider us a lower one (and by they I mean the police and every one who think they were right). Hope this explains my self a little

[Robert]

First time in centuries I see Canada fighting with another country.

[stuffradio]

Ummm... you know we're in Iraq supporting the Americans right? :lol:

[Robert]

Ummm... you know we're in Iraq supporting the Americans right? :lol:

We're not fighting against Iraq...

[Nug]

We're not fighting against Iraq...

then what are you doing?

[Robert]

then what are you doing?

We have no idea! :lol:

[stuffradio]

How aren't we fighting Iraq? I'm confuzzled :p

[Galaxy-Hosts.com]

Ummm... you know we're in Iraq supporting the Americans right? :lol:

We're not fighting against Iraq... But they are in Iraq, which is what he said.

[Robert]

nevermind.. we're taking this thread off topic. feel free to PM me if you want an explanation on what I was saying.

[Blank Verse]

Also, Canadians are NOT in Iraq. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[sep]

Are there Iraqis in Canada?

[Blank Verse]

Yes.

What I meant was, Canada has no military presence in Iraq.

[Decker]

Yes.

What I meant was, Canada has no military presence in Iraq.


I don't personally think anyone has (realistically) - it's political (under cover - why would those causing trouble be blamed - blame the military, trained to just go and kill each other, no witnesses right ;) ) and the press (not even trying - they're best bet for sales is human misery)

[utcrazy]

At least Canada isn't a melting pot like America is. I don't ----ing care about some stupid soccer match. Don't pose accusations like this towards my country without some real merit.

[Decker]

At least Canada isn't a melting pot like America is.

Not as much UT but we all are, Scotland is now very much, the same pot.

Canada was 20 years ago an option for me as my skills and qualifications opened up jobs, here I would not have had, and had loads of sponserships, I didn't go due to my fondness of Scotland.

So really, any pot with a melt is good. :)

[Robert]

At least Canada isn't a melting pot like America is..

Canada is 20 million people, America is 300 million people.

[TSO]

Ok, so have the team file a lawsuit and be on their merry way. Or never play there again. Or whatever. This kind of stuff happens all the time. <yawn>

[jmiller]

Canada is 20 million people, America is 300 million people.Good point, Robert.

[Blank Verse]

uh...32 million.

kthxbye

Your point is only minutely less profound now, Robert :p

[stuffradio]

:p so true :lol:

[Jackel.ca]

At least Canada isn't a melting pot like America is. I don't ----ing care about some stupid soccer match. Don't pose accusations like this towards my country without some real merit.

Agreed.

Though, I don't believe the American comment was appropriate :angel:

[Robert]

uh...32 million.

kthxbye

Your point is only minutely less profound now, Robert :p

Damn! According to Google it's
Population: 33,390,141 (July 2007 est.)

But how many of those live in Quebec? Is Quebec part of Canada? :angel:

[jmiller]

Damn! According to Google it's
Population: 33,390,141 (July 2007 est.)

But how many of those live in Quebec? Is Quebec part of Canada? :angel:Unfortunately, yes.

[Blank Verse]

It depends who you ask :p

[Wojtek]

But how many of those live in Quebec?
7,651,000 :p

And I'm one of them

[utcrazy]

Canada is 20 million people, America is 300 million people.

You just lost all respect I once had for you, and your point?

[Robert]

You just lost all respect I once had for you, and your point?

Lost all respect because I told you what the population of Canada and the U.S. are? Damn! Hate to see what would happen if I told you the average age of those living in Canada and the U.S.

[Robert]

7,651,000 :p

And I'm one of them

Oh! I'm not sure to apologize to you or laugh at you..


juuuuuussssst kidding.

[utcrazy]

Lost all respect because I told you what the population of Canada and the U.S. are? Damn! Hate to see what would happen if I told you the average age of those living in Canada and the U.S.

Just because you didn't know what the population of Canada was.

[Robert]

Just because you didn't know what the population of Canada was.

I was using out dated information. I knew it was in the millions..

at least I spelled Kanada right.

[Nug]

Jeez, South Africas population is double the size of Canadas :eek2

[Dini]

Ok, so have the team file a lawsuit and be on their merry way. Or never play there again. Or whatever. This kind of stuff happens all the time. <yawn>

This kind of stuff doesn't happen all the time, belive me, people would know.

utcrazy, you are kind of proving my point with your attitude, thanks.

[Blank Verse]

And once again, you're proving our point by associating the entire country with one Canadian.

[Dini]

And once again, you're proving our point by associating the entire country with one Canadian.

I know that two, thanks for pointing it out. I already admitted to be generalizing, that's no secret

[utcrazy]

I know that two, thanks for pointing it out. I already admitted to be generalizing, that's no secret

Ah yes, my patriotism towards my own country, which I believe I have shown to FWS on this cocasion only, and on only a handful of occasions in real life, is a real negative aspect. What a world we live in, where people judge an entire country by the actions of a soccer match, God I love the world.

[Blank Verse]

I know that two, thanks for pointing it out. I already admitted to be generalizing, that's no secret

Admitting to it doesn't diminish my point or strenghten yours in any way.