No such thing as Unlimited BW?

[hulken]

Yesterday I made my first Free Webhosting Offer which today, got deleted.

This was due to the fact that the admins claim there is no such thing as "unlimited bandwidth".. ?

Well sure, alot of ISP's and Companies do not offer this to people that rent servers, colo's etc.. but comeon, have you ever heard of a country called Sweden?

If you don't, you should read up on what people are being offered here, what services we get for silly prices.

I run my own non-commercial business and we have NO bandwidth limit what-so-ever, and I suppose most of the Free Webhost offers here are bandwidth limited, and alot of people claim they haven't got a limit, but really.. what about those who can actually offer it?

Should I put up a false webhosting ad that says they are limited, when they are actually not? I put the ad up for several purposes, but the warning I got for it is just dumb in my opinion, instead of questioning me how I can offer this.

[Peo]

I beleive I've heard of Sweden, I'm not completely sure though...

So, explain how you can offer unlimited bandwidth? At which datacenter in Sweden are your servers located?

[JohnN]

Sweden, is that the place near the north pole?:P

Funny you bring this up actually: the people i sold my host to moved the servers to Sweden - i can assure you they weren't getting unlimited bandwidth, you can find things for silly prices all around the world (except the UK) you've just found yourself a overselling reseller.

as has been argued before: you show me a hard drive that holds unlimited data and then you can say that you offer it.

(if you can find a hard drive like this i unreservedly apologies and will take 3:p)

[Richard]

Unlimited bandwidth does not exist, how can it? How can you have an unlimited amount mbps traveling to your server? You HAVE to be limited via your switch, or if not, you are limited by your connection speed.

If you are talking about transfer (EG: 100GB's) then no, you cannot have an unlimited amount of that. If you are on a 10mbps connection, you are limited to 3,300GB per month, as thats the maximum you can push on 10mbps bandwidth. 33,000GB on 100mbps, etc.

So as you can see, there is no such thing as "Unlimited" bandwidth or transfer, and if you are being offered it, the Datacenter is lieing to you in order to get your money, which in modern day terms, we call scamming.

In a nutshell: You may be offered unlimited bandwidth, but it does not exist, therefore, you are not getting it ;) It does not matter how cheap it is in Sweden, the owner of this forum comes from Sweden, Unlimited bandwidth does not, and cannot exist.

[Cam.]

I have Unlimited Bandwidth, But that is only to webpages. Anything that streams gets limited down to 100MB per day.

[Richard]

Unlimited bandwidth is not possible, you are ALWAYS limited. Be it from your switch or your connection. Even on internal transfers, you are limited on your bandwidth (speed) via your router/switch.

There is ALWAYS a limit when it comes to bandwidth. Therefore there is ALWAYS a limit when it comes to transfer.

[AMC]

HS is right. Infact, it doesn't even take any level of computer competence or internet smarts to recognise that something like this is impossible. A little bit of logical thinking would lead you only to the conclusion that something cannot be unlimited. Even if you had someting crazy like a 10 gig pipe for your server alone, you would still be limited to 3,300,000 Gb per month transfer.

The bottom line is, there is always a limit when it comes to ANYTHING.

[hulken]

Okay, I just realized that you are talking about unlimited bandwidth, as in. I could offer 100GBit lines or so?

I was talking about traffic, if this was my mistake for misleading Bandwidth for Traffic I apologize for my faults.
I've always talked in terms of Bandwidth but I guess I have to be more precise when talking bandwidth and traffic.

[Peo]

Unlimited traffic doesn't exist either. There's a limit to what you would be able to host on your server. If you simply don't know what that limit is or don't care, it's likely that your customers will in the end suffer when you start to get close to that limit.

[JonnyH]

There's no such thing as unlimited but there is unmetered.

[Cam.]

Well, Thats just another way to put it ;)

[serverorigin]

Unmetered is "banned" as well which I think is unreasonable.

I was actually hit for 5 points due to posting an "unmetered" offer on IRC hosting. As per my assumption of the definition of unmetered is it is not metered. It is not recorded and therefore unmetered.

We offered this on IRC Hosting and that is the case. We do not limit the amount of transfer on ports 6660-6667/7000.

I think my warning and slap on the wrist for posting that is not warranted.

I understand the point behind "unlimited" but unmetered is different.

[Robert]

The issue with unmetered offers is that many hosts will advertise it as unmetered or unlimited, but in their AUP/TOS they will list what they feel is a "reasonable" consumption per month on their unlimited/unmetered plans, and then actually list the limit. Therefore, it really isn't unlimited/unmetered in the sense it's being advertised. But because each host is different, we don't have the time to verify each host, so it's best to just forbid unlimited/unmetered plans.

I know it sounds unreasonable, but it's in the best interest of the forum and our members.

[Robert]

I beleive I've heard of Sweden, I'm not completely sure though...


I doubt you've heard of Sweden. :lol:

[serverorigin]

Robert:

Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense, just I was unaware that it was a blanket "unmetered" when I got the warning. It's fine just thought it mostly applied to normal web hosting.

[Darknight]

Unlimited bandwidth is not possible, you are ALWAYS limited. Be it from your switch or your connection. Even on internal transfers, you are limited on your bandwidth (speed) via your router/switch.

There is ALWAYS a limit when it comes to bandwidth. Therefore there is ALWAYS a limit when it comes to transfer.

But I guess Sweden has found a way to by pass this ;)

[Calinax]

Unlimited doesn't exists, though unmetered does.

However, both are completely different. Unlimited you can use 10000 gbps of bandwiodth or more? unmetered means you can transfer upto burst capacity of the port speed.

[Richard]

Unmetered is a gray area.

Unmetered is only acceptable on dedicated servers, the reason being of what it means.

Unmetered Bandwidth: To be able to use all your bandwidth (1mbps, 10mbps, 100mbps) at max without any limits on the amount you can use.

In a shared environment, for example, IRC hosting or shared hosting, unmetered bandwidth on a 10mbps would imply that the user could use all that 10mbps, when in actual fact, other clients will be using it, and so will the host, therefore, it's not unmetered.

At the current time, there is not an actual word for "shared" bandwidth, as its not unlimited, because their is a limit, and it's not unmetered, as other people will be using it as well.

[JonnyH]

This may sound stupid but in my mind the word unmetered means that it simple terms, splitting it apart. Un meaning not and metered meaning watched. Put it together and its not watched. So not monitored etc. Damn i'm blonde.

[Richard]

A meter is something that has a limit, be it a meter in hours, money or traffic.

A parking meter - Only lets you pay to be able to stay for 24 hours (example), you can put as much money in it at one time, but it will still stop at 24 hours, that is it's limit. You can come back at any point, and put more money in it, but you still wont be able to get higher than 24 hours.

I know it's a stupid example, but that is unmetered, you can stay in that parking space as long as you want, you can use all that parking space up, but their is a limit to the amount of time you can prepay for.

Unlimited would be where you can prepay for as much time as you need, there is no limit, you could pay and leave your car their for a week, or a month, and would not have to come back every 24 hours.

[utcrazy]

Sweden? That sounds made up... I think we can all agree, no such thing as unlimited or unmetered.

[PH-Kev]

i think its South West Eden he means.. not SWeden.

Id like to remind (probably again) that unlimited cant exist.
Hosts would move to the level of competing on "how unlimited" their service really is, with infinity+infinity and 1000 times infinity... like we all done as kids at school... but yet... its just another little ploy to be better than the other.

Ah well.... "tag, your it!"