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[JonnyH]

URGENT SALE
If anyone is interested at all. NO MATTER WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT. Pm me if they're interested in paying $200. I mean urgent sale.

[david432111]

I guess 2.8 won't ever be released :(

[iBrightDev]

Jonny, why would someone buy it if they can have the script for free?

[david432111]

You do know Jonny means the whole site, domain and source code for cpcreator. Right?

[iBrightDev]

i understand that, but, i would not see anyone buying the source when it is free. but, that is just me. @Jonny, why are you selling it though?

[david432111]

This is quite bad news from me, well for me. Maybe not for you, probably for the better. Due to me not having enough time to work on this. Probably no time at all. In thiese circumstances, and how much this project actually means to me, It's hard to just let it go. I want it to really carry on and build into something which is spectacular. So I'm desided to sell this to the write people, if they approach me. From cpcreator.com

[iBrightDev]

man, that is to bad. Jonny has spent a lot of time making a quality product.

[JonnyH]

Haven't got enough time. Just went into to higher education. Got to juggle alot of personal life as well.

Regarding the free script. There has been a lot of interest for people who want to keep it free. Unfortunately, people haven't got the money or things turned for the worse. There is a lot of business potential there.

[JohnN]

A fws tip jar? I'd be willing to stick in $20 if another 9 members are, just to keep the script free.

[JonnyH]

It's very much appreciated it really is.

There's a problem though. The reason to sell is that I wont have any time to work on the script at all. I'll mostly be working on vB etc for college. I always said that I was going to keep the script free. Always.

[JohnN]

You might, but if you *Sell* it, there's no guarantee that it would be kept free.

If we organized a quick bit of funding to help you out if you were willing to hand the script over the open source community.

[Erizo]

The biggest problem i see here, is further development and support of cP Creator. How would that work without Jonny?

[iBrightDev]

i would love to pick it up from you Jonny` and have told you many times i am willingto help out with it, but, i unfortunately cant afford to buy it. if i did, it would be kept open source though. if you ever get on MSN again, message me, adn maybe we can work something out.

[Schmarvin]

If anyone is interested, I'd like to get a group together, and take this over for Johnny. Let me know if your interested. Its better to work on this in a group. :)

If we can work on this, it will continue to remain free!

[JonnyH]

Any help really would be really appreciated.
I think the idea Schmarvin came up with really is an awesome one.

[fnixws]

Agreed.

Unfortunatly i dont know enough about php to even begin to help.
If i did, id have bought it from Jonny already.

I was still considering, with the idea to do what Schmarvin has suggested, so im all for the idea.
I just would like to see cpCreator stay open for all and free to use. If theres anything i can do, im in :D

[Schmarvin]

Johnny, with your permission, I'd like to continue to run it. Just tell me what needs to be done to host it, at least that'll help get us started.

[david432111]

Cpcreator.com isn't loading....

[david432111]

It's loading again.

[JonnyH]

I'm in talks now with a person.
If nothing is built up, I'm going to let it go.

[JohnN]

If it falls through, I can adopt it post october. I have to finish current client work first.

[david432111]

Let's hope the deal goes through.

[Schmarvin]

Good luck Johnny. Although, I'm a bit confused by you wanted to sell something unlicensed. O.O Its very weird. In all terms, its free, and not worth anything. But, I can see if I can get it licensed for you, so you can sell it.

[fnixws]

As far as i see it man, he doesnt have to get some official licence to sell his own work. Open Source implys a licence in itself. A licence for the end user to use and modify for their own use the code provided. Wich can be redistributed by them aslong as they acknowledge the codes origins.

Basically All versions up to this point are under the GNU GPL id say, and if he sells, the person who he transfers the ownership to can do what they wish as far as changing the licencing goes for the future releases.

Any derivatives of his code that come from the open source version would have to be release under the same licencing as the original open source licence Jonny released it under.

So basically what hed be selling is the right to charge for any derivatives of cpCreator.



Open source licenses

With open source licenses, in contrast to proprietary software licenses, ownership of a particular copy of the software does not remain with the software publisher. Instead, ownership of the copy is transferred to the end-user. As a result, the end-user is, by default, afforded all rights granted by copyright law to the copy owner. Note that "copy owner" is not the same as "copyright owner". While ownership in a particular copy is transferred, ownership of the copyright remains with the software publisher. Additionally, open source software licenses typically grant to the end-user extra rights, which would otherwise be reserved by the software publisher.

A primary consequence of the open source form of licensing is that acceptance of open source licenses is essentially optional -- the end-user may use the software without accepting the license. However, if the end-user wishes to exercise any of the additional rights granted by an open source license (such as the right to redistribute the software), then the end-user must accept, and be bound by, the software license.

An example of an open source license is the GNU General Public License (GPL). This license is aimed at giving the end-user significant permission, such as permission to redistribute, reverse engineer, or otherwise modify the software. These permissions are not entirely free of obligations for the end-user, however. The end-user must comply with certain terms if the end-user wishes to exercise these extra permissions granted by the GPL. For instance, any modifications made and redistributed by the end-user must include the source code for these, and the end-user is not allowed to re-assert the removed copyright restrictions back over their derivative work.

I could be wrong, but thats how i read it.

[JonnyH]

Basically, I'm selling the site, the script, the rights to the script. With the rights, the owner could do anything they wish. It does have a lot of business potential.

[fnixws]

Just wondering how many of you guys would really be SERIOUSLY interested in forming a group to continue to develop CPC?

His highest bidder is a non FWS person of dubious character. :/
So partially to prevent them getting it, partially to keep it with the FWS community and because id like to see it continue, im thinking of buying it and attempting to run it as a community project.

Unfortunatly, Im no php coder myself, but I am a good organiser, infact its my job, so id like to guage the serious interest of people around here participating in such a project.

So hands up if youd be willing to join such a project :)

[hamster]

Bleh, I wouldn't mind joining :) But I'm not very good a programmer.

[DanTheMan]

I'm all in, I'll offer my server and such but i'm not a good programmer yet either XD


SUPER SQUIRREL IS HERE!!!

[hamster]

I've got Roger Hamsterer on my side :p (couldn't think of a hamster snuck into nadal's name.)

[krakjoe]

Just wondering how many of you guys would really be SERIOUSLY interested in forming a group to continue to develop CPC?

His highest bidder is a non FWS person of dubious character. :/
So partially to prevent them getting it, partially to keep it with the FWS community and because id like to see it continue, im thinking of buying it and attempting to run it as a community project.

Unfortunatly, Im no php coder myself, but I am a good organiser, infact its my job, so id like to guage the serious interest of people around here participating in such a project.

So hands up if youd be willing to join such a project :)

What do you mean by "join", do you actually mean pay ??

[fnixws]

What do you mean by "join", do you actually mean pay ??

No, i just mean help continue the project.
I wouldnt have a hope in hell of doing it on my own, so i want to know if and how many of you skilled guys out there would serioully want to help out.

Since most ppl are all talk :P

[Schmarvin]

As far as i see it man, he doesnt have to get some official licence to sell his own work. Open Source implys a licence in itself. A licence for the end user to use and modify for their own use the code provided. Wich can be redistributed by them aslong as they acknowledge the codes origins.

Basically All versions up to this point are under the GNU GPL id say, and if he sells, the person who he transfers the ownership to can do what they wish as far as changing the licencing goes for the future releases.

Any derivatives of his code that come from the open source version would have to be release under the same licencing as the original open source licence Jonny released it under.

So basically what hed be selling is the right to charge for any derivatives of cpCreator.



I could be wrong, but thats how i read it.


Okay, so you basically just told me I can take the script, and call it my own. :) Then, I could modify it a bit and sell it for profit.

[fnixws]

Okay, so you basically just told me I can take the script, and call it my own. :) Then, I could modify it a bit and sell it for profit.

Nah man, read it again.
Pretty much the only thing you cant do is sell it id say.
If any derivative works are made from it, they must show the original sources. Take OSCommerce for example. Its branched off into several projects, but they all must be released under the same conditions as the original work and must state their origins.

So altho we are free to use the existing releases as a base, its without Jonnys blessing, without the name and reputation of cpc, not to mention its not very nice to takes some1s hard work for nothing when hes after some compo :P



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Ive had a few PMs from people id call skilled in the area telling me its a bad idea for a few resons ill have to ask around about.

In the mean time, anyone else interested?

[Dynash]

Under the license you can't class it fully as your own, only the code you added can you claim.

[Schmarvin]

Its not licensed, so I can do anything. He didn't get a GNU license or anything. If it had an open-source license, I'd have to give credit. But at the moment, I don't have to at all.

I'm not saying I'd do this. But, I'm proving you wrong. :)

[Dynash]

Of course you can do what you like with it, even charge for it, but that would only really take affect on new downloads, plus, even if you did claim it all as your own code, everyone who uses it knows Jonny` created it. So there would be no point ;)

[Schmarvin]

Not really. I'm good at PHP, so I could change up a LOT of the codes with something different, but keeping the same functions. :P PHP has many functions, I could go around what he currently has.

[fnixws]

I dunno if he needs to have applied for and got an "official licence" in order for his work to be either classed as his own, or give him then right to sell it.

If thats the case, any webdesign and coding doen by prople for other people can be reused, and the whole debarkle about MTC selling JasonS someone elses work (the geekracks design) was just a load a BS, since "it wasnt licenced".
Nor would anyone have the right to sell their own work and be protected from theft without "getting a licence".

Makes no sense to me man, your work is your work and even if people use it for their own purposes, they really dont have the right to claim it as their own just because "you didnt get a licence".

[krakjoe]

A copyright exists from the moment of a works creation. You do not need to register a copyright or apply a license for copyrights to exist, however if you ever needed to go to court you'd get nowhere fast without having registered your copyright.

[Schmarvin]

I'm just saying, its a widely used software/script. And, it'd be great to have something that good, licensed.

[fnixws]

Perhaps i have the whole software license thing wrong?

The Copyright holder or Owner is the one who issues the licenses for people to use his/her software. Theres no need for them to "get it licensed" unless your refering to making up an official licensing statement to include with the product?
Im also not sure about retroactively issuing licenses for old versions of your work.
Or are you saying it would be nice if it was officially copyrighted? (rather than self copyrighted)

[JonnyH]

Well, if anyone stole the work and claimed it as their own without crediting back. I'd be pretty annoyed. Then again, if someone branched off and was updating it and linking back. I wouldn't be so annoyed.

I've still got interest in this, if an offer was made, I would go with it. If fnixws managed it and there was a few open source devs on the team; it would include features and work like I never could of done.

[Schmarvin]

Perhaps i have the whole software license thing wrong?

The Copyright holder or Owner is the one who issues the licenses for people to use his/her software. Theres no need for them to "get it licensed" unless your refering to making up an official licensing statement to include with the product?
Im also not sure about retroactively issuing licenses for old versions of your work.
Or are you saying it would be nice if it was officially copyrighted? (rather than self copyrighted)

A GNU license is free, and its official. It'd just be nice to have for this script.

[JonnyH]

Still looking for a sale. I will take $200 ONO. PM Me ASAP.

cP Creator is now registered under the creative commons. (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/uk/)

[Hamed]

Price it is too high I think!

[JonnyH]

Well, what price are you thinking of hamed4u?

[Erizo]

With the potential it has, the time that has been put on it, and how it works, i'd say it's a good price, if not too low :P

I stay still to the fact that without Jonny, it would be hard to progress on cP Creator.

[James]

Your asking price is peanuts really. I can offer 100 this moment. May be willing for more upon verifications and stats etc.

[fnixws]

Id have offered him that, but i didnt wanna insult him.
I dont know its true value, but im after the work he put into it, id have felt bad making an offer lower than his asking price.

[DanTheMan]

Combine it and make an offer and make it open source?

[hamster]

I say the script is definitely worth more than just a 100 bucks from you James, or anyone else at that.

If you look through the source, you can see how much code there actually is and you'll probably be able to estimate how much time he's actually put into this.

As a matter of fact, I'm rather surprised that no one has bought over this yet. Jonny, have you tried selling at DP? There're a lot of gurus there.

[JonnyH]

There is loads and loads of code. There's been many offers, if someone was offering to build up a community like fnxws was planning and then getting the members, that's the best I would like really.

@James: What sort of stats would you like? I can roll off some basic awstats from a month or two ago. Zoomcities doesn't have it installed on this one. Anything else?

[iBrightDev]

Jonny`, how much are you looking to get for it. i am really interested in continuing the project under iBright Development and linking it as an iBright CMS Plugin. I would keep you on are the original coder and give you credit where deserved obviously. i think it would be great to link that project with mine since we both have helped each other with things many times. let me know a price you are looking for. oh, and if i do get it from you, it would continue to be free if i make it a plugin or standalone app. im on MSN, please get me on there so we can talk about it.

[James]

Hi, I'm just interested in the sort of traffic that shows your daily/month visits and where it sources from. (google search? forums like FWS?) Cheers.

[JonnyH]

Get a lot of traffic from my sig here around places. Google is also a big one. That's mainly from people searching like "cpcreator".
Daily uniques is around 100 that's from my head.

[JonnyH]

cP Creator has been sold
As the title explains, cP Creator has been sold. You will be seeing some drastic changes soon to the site and forums. I hope it carries into a very nice project.

Thanks everyone for supporting cP Creator when I was running the project.

[hamster]

Will it still be OS?

[JonnyH]

It will be under the same CC license.

The person who I sold it to worked on SuSE linux before it was sold to Novell, he's part of an open source group.

[david432111]

When are we going to see the changes?

[JonnyH]

Well I'm in talks now, he's working on the website, forums. He's also looking for developers on the project. Maybe paid or some open source people.

I don't really have a time stamp on the changes.

[fnixws]

Kewl
Good luck with it :)

[Dan]

Jonny' Sorry ya sold it mate. Just downloaded it to use it.
Ah well. Good luck anyway.

[JonnyH]

It's fine. There is some capable people on the new team and they've already added multiple payment gateways. I'm also on the dev team and the system they're using is nothing I would of thought of really. It's pretty well done, and 2.8 is well on it's way.

[Dan]

Jonny'

Recreating an account is not possible. How come?
I deleted a test account in ACP and wanted to recreate it again via the order form. But it doesn't give the option to register.

[JonnyH]

It's something to do with the IP's, it checks the IP and if it exists it'll only show existing. When you delete a user account it should delete any packages underneath it, obviously that hasn't happened. Go in the DB cp_packages and see if the one with the username still exists and it has the IP. Or check the users table and see if it actually has deleted it.

[Dan]

thanks Jonny' Sorted.
Just one more question mate and I promise I will leave you alone.
When I sign up for a package and enter the details, it comes back as "That username is incorrect"
I have setup the system for Post 2 Host and using MyBB.

[JonnyH]

Don't need to leave me alone lol.
Has the username got any spaces or special chars? What version of myBB?

[Dan]

Using the latest release of MyBB 1.4.2 I think.
Nope, no spaces etc. Username is danno

I will PM you the URL as I don't want it in the public yet. :)

[JonnyH]

Cheers I'll take a look when it's sent.
Make sure the right forum version is selected when creating the forum.

[iBrightDev]

just an update on my end, iBright is supposed to hit Beta for v1 this week, so, once that goes out and i get all the bugs worked out that i can, i will start on getting cpc integrated with it.

[JonnyH]

Dan I replied back to the thread at cP Creator if you need it.

I so want to make another script with the time I have now. I hate college work. I have plenty of ideas.

[Dan]

Jonny'

Can you provide a download for 2.6.2?

Cheers

[Dan]

Got the download from hamster and installed as per the instructions.
Also installed MyBB 1.4.2 and when I try to register for a hosting package, I get the following error:


Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Access denied for user 'budlo'@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /home/budlo/public_html/clients/modules/p2h.php on line 502
FATAL ERROR: Connection was not made the forum!

Any help would be great.

[hamster]

budlo@localhost? Are you using cPanel? You have to create a user and add it with privileges to the database in order to have access... cPanel MySQL users have their cPanel usernames prefixed to it.

[Dan]

budlo@localhost? Are you using cPanel? You have to create a user and add it with privileges to the database in order to have access... cPanel MySQL users have their cPanel usernames prefixed to it.

I have the DB set up properly.

Host - localhost
DB Username: budlo_******
DB Name: budlo_*******
DB Password: **********

Unless the forums are meant to be on the same DB as CP Creator?

[JonnyH]

Create another forum, edit the package and see if that works.

[Fakher]

Dan I replied back to the thread at cP Creator if you need it.

I so want to make another script with the time I have now. I hate college work. I have plenty of ideas.

:wave:
:love: Luv you Jonny :)
waiting for it

[Dan]

Sorry Jonny' mate but I went with iPanel.
If you are doing another project let me know. Would be happy to help in some way or other.

[Fakher]

jonny I am still waiting for you :)

[hamster]

jonny I am still waiting for you :)

That sounds..... wrong? Anyway, scripts aren't written overnight ya know -.-

[Fakher]

well no its not........

I am waiting .......
I know cant be written overnight but i ll wait for that,till then i ll be doing all that manually :P

[JonnyH]

Trust me, if it's going to be written it's going to be in a holiday I have where I don't have some big assignment to do. It may be months, even a year. At the moment, I've just got ideas popping around in my head.

[JonnyH]

Response to the new script I'm thinking about. As a concept:
A script which basically is a one loading ajax filled order form which does it all when you've loaded the page. So, one one page you select the package, enter the details, create the package in one click of a button with no load times. It would have a full template system, plugins a very well built system. Very simplistic design which makes it easy to intergrate into a website. Maybe the same wrapper style used in cP Creator.

[JohnN]

If it's not a stupid question: Jonny are you still the main dev?

[JonnyH]

Nope, I don't dev at all. Officially I'm on the 'team'. I don't do anything though. I simply don't have the time. Hence me selling it.

[krakjoe]

Can the community get an update on this. Has it been sold, is anything finalized ??

I was under the impression it was, but you just said "hence I'm selling it", which makes me think maybe it wasn't sold in the end ??

[Dan]

Can the community get an update on this. Has it been sold, is anything finalized ??

I was under the impression it was, but you just said "hence I'm selling it", which makes me think maybe it wasn't sold in the end ??

He said "hence ME selling it" which means, "That's why I sold it"

[krakjoe]

My bad, was first thing I read this morning ...

[Dan]

My bad, was first thing I read this morning ...

Smoking too much of that stuff late at night is bad for ya. :P :shame:

[krakjoe]

What I smoke at night I use while I sleep ( I'm pretty sure anyway ), what I smoke in the morning is what prompts me to make stupid mistakes ...

Still we've all learnt something today. Reading through a cloud of smoke isn't always a good idea, however good it may seem at the time of conception. You'll end up making stupid mistakes and looking like a clown.

The only conclusion I can draw from this, is that I should not read.

[Dan]

What I smoke at night I use while I sleep ( I'm pretty sure anyway ), what I smoke in the morning is what prompts me to make stupid mistakes ...

Still we've all learnt something today. Reading through a cloud of smoke isn't always a good idea, however good it may seem at the time of conception. You'll end up making stupid mistakes and looking like a clown.

The only conclusion I can draw from this, is that I should not read.

HAHAHA :lol:

[DanTheMan]

Has the version been update since the change over?

[Erizo]

Nope. =(

[JonnyH]

It is quite saddening especially for me, the guy who put his soul into this thing. If only I had the time to put new learnt skills into action, new ideas. If only.

[Schmarvin]

I haven't seen any updates at all. And Johnny normally had about 4 by now.

[MaT22]

Awww, sad to see that this script has died out. :(

[theraptor]

TheHostingtool has not died out, you can still get to it here: http://thehostingtool.com
Jonny has been very busy, so a new head developer is working on it, but the current version(1.1.2) works like a charm. As for cPcreator, that hasn't been developed by the new owners as far as i can tell, and i believe they abondoned it in favor of a vbulletin mod for hosting.

[JonnyH]

TheHostingtool has not died out, you can still get to it here: http://thehostingtool.com
Jonny has been very busy, so a new head developer is working on it, but the current version(1.1.2) works like a charm. As for cPcreator, that hasn't been developed by the new owners as far as i can tell, and i believe they abondoned it in favor of a vbulletin mod for hosting.
Couldn't give a better explanation. Cheers Nick.
Sorry about the download link not working. I need the time to fix it. Honestly, I don't have any time these days to work properly on things.

[HWF]

Yeah cPcreator is dead :S

There has been no update what so ever!

They were doing brilliant before!

[theraptor]

Yeah cPcreator is dead :S

There has been no update what so ever!

They were doing brilliant before!

No, jonny was doing brilliant before, but then he sold it.

[dilesha]

1. i need change the currency type to LKR (Sri Lankan Rupees)
2. i dont need online payments to be done. i need only straight to the bank payments to be done. can i have a setting for that. (Let me select what type of payments that i accept Online/ Localy to the bank/ Phone)

theses are the only mattered areas to me and i found that this is great.

[Dave B]

dilesha, cPCreator is no longer supported by Jonny, the rights were sold awhile ago. He now has another project called "The Hosting Tool." It's his current script, and it's supposedly advanced from cPCreator.

Also, answers to your somewhat odd questions.

1.) If you used PayPal, currency would automatically transfer.

2.) Currently PayPal is only supported, and what sort of payment processing website goes directly to bank? Wire transfer is my only though, but that's unsafe and not many people would do that.

cPCreator still holds a great brilliance in the hosting areas as it does work for paid hosts. So far I do not think (but never used) The Hosting Tool supports paid modules. But you may want to take a look, as I have never used it. cPCreator equals to iDev's iHost/iPanel. It's not as good, but most certainly a great competition to WHMCS.

Although cPCreator V2.8 was released about 3 or 4 days ago, we do not know if it will be as good as the originals due to it not being developed by Johnny anymore.