Obama FTW(for the win)

[mrpanda]

any Obama lovers in the house?

I for one would like to see Obama because I believe what he stands for. His speeches are superb and far better than any democratic candidate out there.

He also doesn't slander as much as Hillary who hits on anyone she thinks has a chance of beating her.


Anyways OBAMA FOR THE WIN!

[Johnson]

I agree with you, but still reported your post for spamming.

[utcrazy]

It would be very good if America had an African American president.

[themoose]

It would be very good if America had an African American president.

I agree, but I don't think people should vote for him because of that.

[Dan]

I agree with you, but still reported your post for spamming.

How is he spamming?

[Peo]

He included a link to his blog and I removed that link.

[Dan]

He included a link to his blog and I removed that link.

Oh I see. Didn't see that. I apologise. :)

[mrpanda]

how would that be spamming.

I am merely saying that it is a site specially designed FTW just as some people talk.

if that is against the rules, then i am sorry

[Johnson]

It's your site, so this thread was an ad.

[stuffradio]

I like Obama as well, he's better than Hillary :D

[Nick]

Ugh, democrats.

No thanks.

[Jan]

how would that be spamming.

I am merely saying that it is a site specially designed FTW just as some people talk.

if that is against the rules, then i am sorry
It is possible to have a discussion without sending us to your site.

[mrpanda]

sorry but its not my site. i merely browsed it when i was looking for obama sites.

[sep]

Hilary Clinton for the win.
nah, not really.

[Blank Verse]

---- NO to Clinton winning. I actually want a Republican to win this thing, that's how bad Clinton is.

[Ben]

---- NO to Clinton winning. I actually want a Republican to win this thing, that's how bad Clinton is.

How about this:


Jan for President
YOU DECIDE 2008
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/IMC/MX2267~Jumping-Duck-Posters.jpg

[themoose]

She has to be an American citizen :(

I wouldn't mind voting for a duck, though.

[Jan]

Guess I better start campaigning fast :D

[Galaxy-Hosts.com]

How about this:


Jan for President
YOU DECIDE 2008
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I could go for that, straight forward and no nonsense.

[Blank Verse]

Be American, Jan.

[themoose]

If Schwarzenegger can do it so can you Jan!

[Skylar]

If Schwarzenegger can do it so can you Jan!

lol Schwarzenegger went for governor of California.. not president.

[themoose]

I meant he can "Be American".

[Nug]

I like Obama, I'm very much in the middle of the two parties, but I think Obama is more down to earth then Clinton

[TSO]

If (when) Ron Paul doesn't win, I think Obama would definitely be my next choice.

[Jan]

Be American, Jan.
Can I pass on that? :lol:

[stuffradio]

Can I pass on that?
Yeah, be Canadian instead!

[themoose]

America actually sucks major --- right now.

If it were up to me I'd split the states of America into independant countries.

[Johnson]

What a stupid idea.

[notnamed]

America actually sucks major --- right now.

If it were up to me I'd split the states of America into independant countries.

What would that accomplish, besides further polarizing people, splitting up families, and generally being West Germany / East Germany all over again, except this time both sides would be calling each other communist?

[Blank Verse]

Can I pass on that? :lol:

But then who will be President?!?!?!

[Craig]

Does Clinton like Bush?

[Blank Verse]

As in, the President, or....

[TSO]

Does Clinton like Bush?

Nobody likes Bush.

[themoose]

What would that accomplish, besides further polarizing people, splitting up families, and generally being West Germany / East Germany all over again, except this time both sides would be calling each other communist?

It'd mean that the US weren't one massive power force that can ---- up the rest of the world.

[Nug]

It'd mean that the US weren't one massive power force that can ---- up the rest of the world.

That would be nice..

[notnamed]

It'd mean that the US weren't one massive power force that can ---- up the rest of the world.

Or have a coordinated economy to feed a lot of the world.

[themoose]

Sorry? How much is the US in debt by currently? How weak is the dollar?

[notnamed]

And you'd like to weaken that further by splitting the country in two?

[themoose]

I'd love to. Except replace the word two with the word fifty.

[notnamed]

Then that still doesn't address my original point, of how that would reduce or at least greatly confuse and bureaucracy-ate the US's aide to other countries.

[themoose]

I'm not trying to reduce it's debt or whatever. All I wish for is for the USA to not be such a big player in the world.

What, so you've got more land than pretty much everyone else? So what, that doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want with the world.

And considering the corruptness of the so-called democracy in america right now, the only way I see to completely fix the problem of America's power over the rest of the world is to remove the united from the states.

[TSO]

I'd love to. Except replace the word two with the word fifty.

According to your profile, you don't even live in the U.S. So why exactly do you give a ----?

[TSO]

I'm not trying to reduce it's debt or whatever. All I wish for is for the USA to not be such a big player in the world.

What, so you've got more land than pretty much everyone else? So what, that doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want with the world.

And considering the corruptness of the so-called democracy in america right now, the only way I see to completely fix the problem of America's power over the rest of the world is to remove the united from the states.

Wwwoooooowwww...what a moron. :rolleyes:

[themoose]

According to your profile, you don't even live in the U.S. So why exactly do you give a ----?

I've already said, becuase of the immense power that the US have on the rest of the world. For example, it's affected my country by dragging us into the iraq war with them.

And when somebody like George W. is allowed to front this powerhouse of the world, I'll tell you the truth, it frightens the ---- out of me.

Now, if N.America wasn't one country like for example Europe isn't one country, they wouldn't have as much control over the world as they do today.

[Johnson]

According to your profile, you don't even live in the U.S. So why exactly do you give a ----?

Because the entire word is sort of important, and the US affects the entire world.

Anyway, Colin, it's a stupid idea. You want to separate the US into 50 different powers, creating a lot of hostility and problems. There would be so much political turmoil, trading problems etc. We just need a revolution, or Obama.

[TSO]

I've already said, becuase of the immense power that the US have on the rest of the world. For example, it's affected my country by dragging us into the iraq war with them.

And when somebody like George W. is allowed to front this powerhouse of the world, I'll tell you the truth, it frightens the ---- out of me.

Now, if N.America wasn't one country like for example Europe isn't one country, they wouldn't have as much control over the world as they do today.

A few counter-arguments:

1. Your country decided to go to war, pressure from the U.S. or not.
2. Nobody likes Bush, he's done a lot of bad for this country, and he'll be gone in another year. But seriously, there hasn't been a good leader in the U.S. since Reagan's day.
3. There is no logic behind your argument for North America being like Europe.

[Johnson]

2. Nobody likes Bush, he's done a lot of bad for this country, and he'll be gone in another year. But seriously, there hasn't been a good leader in the U.S. since Reagan's day.
Ignore the ridiculous impeachment, Bill Clinton was a good president.

[TSO]

Hmmm, no he wasn't. Granted, he did have more common sense, created an atmosphere of camaraderie, and oversaw what was perhaps the fastest-growing economy in the world (ever!). But, he had some major flaws. The current Bush and his father are even worse. In many ways, Reagan was not that great either - but, he greatly improved the U.S. from its position before he took office.

[notnamed]

I'm not trying to reduce it's debt or whatever. All I wish for is for the USA to not be such a big player in the world.

What, so you've got more land than pretty much everyone else? So what, that doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want with the world.

And considering the corruptness of the so-called democracy in america right now, the only way I see to completely fix the problem of America's power over the rest of the world is to remove the united from the states.

Why do you keep ignoring what I'm saying? :) You brought up the US's debt, not me. But since you keep bringing it up, how would you split up the debt? Would each of the 50 new countries get an equal share? Why? Would you split it up equally by population?

All I'm saying is, if you split up the US's economy, you're going to increase poverty by a hundredfold - at least - just for the fact that you're confusing the agricultural economy that exports so much food all over the world. Splitting up this big economy in to a lot of smaller economies will reduce the amount of food that goes out to the rest of the world, because overhead will increase, as those (currently) states in the middle of the country - where all the food is - will have to coordinate with all of the other administrative areas (those new countries) to get the food off of the continent. Increased overhead = more money = less food.
How is that worth it?



Now, if N.America wasn't one country like for example Europe isn't one country, they wouldn't have as much control over the world as they do today.

Because, historically, Europe as a lot of little countries has worked so well, and doesn't create an enormous bureaucratic mess now. :rolleyes:

[Johnson]

Hmmm, no he wasn't. Granted, he did have more common sense, created an atmosphere of camaraderie, and oversaw what was perhaps the fastest-growing economy in the world (ever!). But, he had some major flaws. The current Bush and his father are even worse. In many ways, Reagan was not that great either - but, he greatly improved the U.S. from its position before he took office.

He wasn't a good president even though he "did have more common sense, created an atmosphere of camaraderie, and oversaw what was perhaps the fastest-growing economy in the world (ever!)."?

[TSO]

^^ Again, those were the positives. There were many other negatives. No President has really nailed international relations since Reagan, and that is what I am getting at. The family Bush sucked with both foreign and domestic policy; Clinton excelled at domestic policy.

EDIT: Precisely because of its position as the world's wealthiest country, I believe it is the duty of the U.S. to excel in foreign relations - above all else.

[Johnson]

Why was Clinton so terrible?

[Blank Verse]

A President's worth should come from his domestic policy, and not his foreign. As prominent as the US is on the world stage, the President is still only the leader of ONE country, and those are the people he is accountable to, not the rest of the world.

Clinton had a much better grasp at that than Bush did, that's for sure, and I'd love to see the next President (not named Clinton :p) really be aware of what's plaguing the US inside its own walls and be less concerned with why everyone in the Middle East hates each other.

[themoose]

Why do you keep ignoring what I'm saying? :) You brought up the US's debt, not me. But since you keep bringing it up, how would you split up the debt? Would each of the 50 new countries get an equal share? Why? Would you split it up equally by population?

All I'm saying is, if you split up the US's economy, you're going to increase poverty by a hundredfold - at least - just for the fact that you're confusing the agricultural economy that exports so much food all over the world. Splitting up this big economy in to a lot of smaller economies will reduce the amount of food that goes out to the rest of the world, because overhead will increase, as those (currently) states in the middle of the country - where all the food is - will have to coordinate with all of the other administrative areas (those new countries) to get the food off of the continent. Increased overhead = more money = less food.
How is that worth it?

You were saying that the US economy was thriving and great, I was simply saying that I don't consider a country to be billions (trillions?) of dollars in debt to have a good economy.


A few counter-arguments:

1. Your country decided to go to war, pressure from the U.S. or not.
2. Nobody likes Bush, he's done a lot of bad for this country, and he'll be gone in another year. But seriously, there hasn't been a good leader in the U.S. since Reagan's day.
3. There is no logic behind your argument for North America being like Europe.

1. Thanks for highlighting the pressure from US. And Tony Blair decided to go to war on Britians behalf, most of us were actually against it.
2. The point that he was allowed to actually get in and pratically govern the world is what I'm getting at.
3. I'm saying that if the US was split up into seperate countries then it would be like Europe. To further this please read my post where I originally mentioned Europe.

Obviously this isn't going to happen and if it was I wouldn't have it be a sudden process, it'd be gradual.

[TSO]

What amuses me is that none of you (except Johnson) are actually from the U.S. :rolleyes:

[themoose]

No, but as far as I'm aware we all live in the world.

AND THAT'S WHAT MY POINT IS! I don't live in the US, yet the activities in the US affect our day-to-day lives!

Everybody in the world is affected by America's doings, mostly negatively, and this wouldn't happen if it was a bunch of independant countries.

[TSO]

How old are you? You're pretty young, if I remember correctly. It really does show in this thread.

[themoose]

Great. I may as well just not have an opinion on anything then. That's the American way, right?

[Nick]

Colin, do you actually believe that if the United States split into countries -- which is a ludicrous idea in and of itself, especially when just based on "if Europe can be that way" -- that another large and organized country wouldn't move into a "world police" position? People crave power, and subsequently so do countries. If the United States dropped off the map some other country with a large military and the other means of persuasion would move into place.

I know you think America playing the world superpower is a terrible thing but I can't see any other country who would be able to take charge and play big brother to everyone else doing a better job. In fact, the world would most likely be a much more terrible place if any of the countries with the power to take that position did so. If you think that that everyone can operate independently and stay out of the others' business then we all shouldn't be having this conversation because everyone should have learned in grade school that such idealistic ideas for interaction between countries will never be anything more than ideas.

Could America do a much better job? Of course. I'm not saying we're good in all aspects of what we do when it comes to interaction with other countries. I'm just saying there could be worse.

Now we should all stop talking about politics and foreign policy in favor of doing more productive things like.... :beer:

[Ben]

[snip]
Now we should all stop talking about politics and foreign policy in favor of doing more productive things like.... :beer:

If you buy, then I'm in.

[themoose]

Yeah, OK Nick, that's a very valid argument.

None of this is ever going to happen anyway so I may as well shut up! hah

I'm in too.

[Craig]

As in, the President, or....

Make your own mind up ;) yet am all for Lesbians :ninja:

[Johnson]

What amuses me is that none of you (except Johnson) are actually from the U.S. :rolleyes:


How old are you? You're pretty young, if I remember correctly. It really does show in this thread.

While I don't agree with Colin's idea, it's interesting to note that when you're unable to win an argument, you resort to pointless observations and childish insults.

[themoose]

Okay I'd just like to make things clear. I do not think that America is a powerhouse because of it's landmass. I do not think that splitting the (or in that matter, any) country 50 ways would be a sensible decision. All I am trying to put accross is that if I had it my way, I would split up America to stop it being such a powerful influence - perhaps bully - on the rest of the world.

[Johnson]

Honestly, it's not America everyone is angry at. It's Bush. He and his cronies single handedly ruined this country.

[themoose]

Well, I'm too young to know what it was like before Bush (stfu stealthy one) and by that I mean I didn't really know the world opinion of America before him.

But like I've said before the fact that Bush was even allowed to become President of such a huge country frightens me.

[notnamed]

What amuses me is that none of you (except Johnson) are actually from the U.S. :rolleyes:

Did Indiana secede from the union and nobody told me?? :confused2

[Blank Verse]

Yeah, basically. As a result, :beer:

[ayushseeyom]

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[Ben]

Yeah, basically. As a result, :beer:

In that case, can I secede, too?

[notnamed]

Indiana is the #1 producer of ducks in the united states. So... that makes it important... somehow. That and we're also the #1 producer of Dave Letterman. And he's still funny.

I knew I wasn't spelling "secede" right, but Google failed me.

[themoose]

Did Indiana secede from the union and nobody told me?? :confused2

My plan is coming into action :devious2:

[Ben]

Indiana is the #1 producer of ducks in the united states. So... that makes it important... somehow. That and we're also the #1 producer of Dave Letterman. And he's still funny.

I knew I wasn't spelling "secede" right, but Google failed me.

Right now, we're the #1 producer of bad rap music.

[Johnson]

Wisconsin is the #1 exporter of iyeru, so we lose.

[Blank Verse]

Wisconsin should actually split up even further after Colin's division plan.
It should split into "Iyeru", and "Wisconsin"

[Johnson]

Correction: split into "iyeru" and "Johnsonville Awesometown"

And Steathy has yet to show how Clinton was such a terrible president.

[Blank Verse]

A good President ----s the hot interns?

[notnamed]

Whoa Blank, that's completely uncalled for.

Monica was not at all hot.

[Johnson]

And he didn't ---- her either. What are you trying to pull?

[Skylar]

The United States sucks right now -- blame Bush!


Personally I think Obama or Clinton deserve the spot, they are both going for mostly the same goals. However, it may be interesting to see how other countries take it. Would they work with a woman, or a black president? Only time will tell.

[Johnson]

Obama is basically a nice, more honest, Clinton with a less dirty ----.

[Blank Verse]

Whoa Blank, that's completely uncalled for.

Monica was not at all hot.

I know this. Johnson was saying how Stealthy One hadn't yet explained why Slick Willy was a bad President.

My possible explanation is that a Good President would have ----ed a hot intern, someone that was NOT Monica Lewinsky or Paula Jones' nose. I too thought Clinton was a good president, and I am ashamed that my intern joke went down the gutter.