Skylar at it again!

[Jordan Mclay]

Just thought i would post this after getting shequeitas approval to do so

Crissic.com (skylars site) has ripped our template and his second site rip in about 4 months.

Compare screenshot 2 with - http://geekrack.net/managed.php

Screenshots -:



http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5498/crissican0.gif


He was dumb enough to leave our site name on the managed services page, Out of all of us MCT will be the most pissed of at this as the amount of work he spent on this has been massive.

[LSComputers]

Thanks for the update... I still do not understand why people gotta do this...

I know I was stuck $300 when my one designer stole an website way back in 2004-5ish..

But I always tried to check it out.. That is a plain open notice so thats very upsetting to see.

[utcrazy]

How is the dedicated page a copy?

[Jordan Mclay]

Sorry i uploaded the wrong picture, i meant to upload the one of the shoutcast page he stole.

[Mynode]

What a fool, I would luagh at the person. Well That show's his stupidity. And he complain's about other's but cannot sort him self out. I remember him saying sorry, When he had ripped of a template from james at sitemanaged.

Skylar a quick answer: Go with free ones if you can not afford it.

[GeekRack]

Actually if you take a read over the description on the servers thats a rip, im really really disappointed with Skylar. When confronted about it he stated that this was "place holder" pages, what a joke!

[CS-Harry]

I am posting on Skylar's behalf, to help clear some things up. Skylar had changed the Shoutcast page two days ago, after communicating clearly stating that it was being a placeholder, and had been changed after Jordan talked to him about that page. The Management page had been edited and re-uploaded last night, and Skylar has proof that he did in fact pay in full for the design on the website. Skylar was under the impression that Geek Rack’s had been aware of the "placeholder" pages, and they had been in fact updated prior to the above post being made. For those interested, you can load up the site and see that it is in fact changed. Any further changes can be communicated directly to Skylar, not over a forum where it is childish to post such items, before checking that it was in fact switched before they had been "snooping around" on said website. As far as the list for the "managed" area, that you cannot exactly claim to be yours as it is just a list of items."

[Mynode]

Lol, I think we all are. He got a very nice design too, Unless he ripped that too lol. I just feel sorry for his client's, They better start moving or get ready for a suspension unless he remove's it. *Good Like clients*

[utcrazy]

He told me he removed it a few days ago, did he just steal wording? That's not exactly a crime. (Well, not really in this case) It doesn't appear to be there still, just trying to make people aware of his shenanigans?

[Jordan Mclay]

Yeah this has been removed he said, Still the point is he done this

[GeekRack]

Im not saying its a crime at all, but it does show the ethics of the person that we are dealing with.

[Mynode]

I thought that he don't do this type of stupid act's. Well i am wrong. I guess he should mind his own business and not accuse other people too. I had great looking's towards cirissic too.

[XFH-Jay]

I don't see the screenshot..

Either way I use Crissic for a lot of my hosting now; lots of accounts with them.

Since I purchased it there has been nothing wrong with it. And Skylar is a great guy to work with. In fact, I've looked into everything on the site and under their contracts they are allowed to use what they have on the site. I don't personally see 'anything' wrong with the site at all.

At least, tell me how they've hurt your service in any way.

Crissic can't be blamed for everything. Just an honest review.

[Mynode]

They have not hurt me in anyway. I think i went over the top. *SORRY CRISSIC* But i am just very angry what they did with GeekRack.

That's all

[Jordan Mclay]

So stealing page content is alright ?, Im not wanting to host bash but this aint really acceptable in this day and age and could easily bring on a lawsuit.

[Mynode]

How old is the guy skylar?

[XFH-Jay]

Who said stealing page content is alright?

Why'd you bring it up here? Go tell Crissic about it. Whether Skylar's 10 or 100 they have good tech support so far. They'll take care of the problem.

Plus that managed hosting page is literally something you can pull off the internet anywhere in my opinion...

[Mynode]

Kaifong is that VPS specs and price really true?

[Jordan Mclay]

15 years going 50 :lol:

[Mynode]

He is 15? With a great company.. Great keep it up!

[XFH-Jay]

That's it pixel!

Jordon, go talk to Skylar about it, don't complain..

Reporting this thread.

[Mynode]

Why are you so worried. When someone does a somthing BAD, especcialy with one of my friend i dont let go. Jeez his copied the text.

[Eclouds]

Ridiculous!

I asked him about his package pages being similar to yours and he said you gave them permission.

This is directly quoted "Ah thats how they HAD it -- Shequieta let me use it"

Note: I am not talking about the management page, I am talking about the package specs page they had in the past.

[Mynode]

LOL, Complete fool's.

[Jordan Mclay]

He is a complete lier, his words when i confronted him about ripping one of our pages the last time (shoutcast page) "shhh im not finished editing it lol dont tell shequeita"

[CS-Harry]

Where exactly are we going with this topic? I'm a new member to this community and I want to build a reputation and all but is this what this community does? The professional thing to do would of been to contact him using telephone support or even E-Mail and talking it out like adults not amongst everyone in the community in this thread.

[Mynode]

LOL, This is good

[GeekRack]

That's it pixel!

Jordon, go talk to Skylar about it, don't complain..

Reporting this thread.

This isnt complaining this is public discussion of a topic that is pertinent to this forum. ie web hosting. Do a bit of research this isnt the first time he's done this, that thread wasnt removed and i doubt this one will be either.

[[JSH]John]

It's sad to see another host stealing content and acting so childish about it. It's not hard to think of your own hosting plans or page content.

[James]

Give him a chance to breathe. And technically speaking it appears he copied text, not the design? If he offers the same service, why not list the same features? :D XFH-Jay has a point.

[Mynode]

Exactly, Skylar can try a bit better. And he is only 15 too..
Why can he not come out and say sorry? Like last time..

[Jordan Mclay]

He is banned so cant atm :p

[Mynode]

What's he banned on? FWS?

[Eclouds]

You don't need to double post every time. A simple edit would work.

If he can't respond here obviously here is the place he is banned from.

[utcrazy]

The dedicated plans for both providers are burst.net so they would be the same. A content copy isn't exactly a legal offense. Unless it's a massive publication, taking large portions.

[Mynode]

It was a accident, Sorry

[XFH-Jay]

The dedicated plans for both providers are burst.net so they would be the same. A content copy isn't exactly a legal offense. Unless it's a massive publication, taking large portions.That's true. They're both burst resellers as well, so I guess it's the same? not sure..

[Mynode]

Skylar now moved to WHT. I guess he is banned at FWS, So he moved..

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=4969082#post4969082

Nice day too

[Jordan Mclay]

Crissic isn't a Burst reseller, he buys his servers from us and is our client.

He buys from us and adds a cut on top of the price

[Stan]

I have known skylar a while now, hes a good guy. He always helps me when I'm stuck with something, always offers his advice and his opinions.

Yes, hes only 15 but most of the time, i would believe he was older than me. His company is very popular, he is making a fair bit of money, how many 15 year olds do you know that do that? He must be doing something right!


I know he has done wrong by ripping your text, but if he is reselling your services then wouldn't he also be selling the things mentioned on that page? So to let his customers know what they are getting, he copied the list from your page so he didn't miss anything out, is that really that bad? I mean, its not really illegal. I'm pretty sure if you look around you will find other hosting companies saying the exact same thing on their site, are they here trying to humiliate you? no.

I guess its just the way this forum works, there's that many hosts here crawling all over each other for clients. When one host makes a small mistake, it must be made public, nobody is satisfied until the reputation of the host has gone downhill. Is this not host bashing?


Geekrack, if i went and posted a topic now about your company, saying stupid, childish things about it, would you not want that topic removed?

Reputation is very important to a hosting company, its the thin line between client or no client, who are you to spoil that for crissic over something so small and trivial? Yes, he did it before, but that was a $500 template, not a few lines of text.


Think what you want about me now, i don't care. All i know is some people on this forum seriously need to grow up. People bash the 15 year olds that sell hosting, why? When there's people as old as me acting like 5 year olds...

This forum seriously needs a good clean up.


Oh, and geekrack. If i ever find a flaw in your company, i will be sure to make sure the whole community knows about it ok?

[James]

Crissic isn't a Burst reseller, he buys his servers from us and is our client.

He buys from us and adds a cut on top of the price

I am not sure if it's healthy practice for a host to name a reselling client in public, then state that he "adds a cut on top of price" from your plans.

If I was the client, I would not be so happy. oldman2

[Jordan Mclay]

I stand corrected James and applogise to skylar for that statement, his server is just hosted with us but he is a reseller for Burst as of now.

Appologies skylar

"Oh, and geekrack. If i ever find a flaw in your company, i will be sure to make sure the whole community knows about it ok?"

Now that is what you call childish stan, yes skylar is a nice guy and you wouldnt know he was a 15 year old but what he did is morally wrong if what he said is true that the page he copied is available from burst then why didn't he copy it from them as he left "geekrack networks" in the page the same with the shoutcast page

[Mynode]

This is getting funny by the day. Why can't skylar contact geekrack and say sorry. Then we all can forget it happend.

Best way

[Jordan Mclay]

He has contacted us but keeps saying he was just using it to fill out the page, thus us getting no-where

[Mynode]

lol, this is wierd

[CS-Harry]

This thread is going to continue to go no where. As I posted in the other thread if you cannot get in contact with Skylar, please contact me as soon as possible.

[iBrightDev]

the whole point is that this is not the first time Skylar has done something like this. simple as that. this should not be a bashing on him either, but, more of info on the type of activities he is performing. that is all i am gong to say for now.

[Mynode]

Why dont you tell him and inform him this is a wrong action to do.

He has been complaining about many users too, Unless all them users have been a fake. Skylar just grow up! If you want text to put on your site, Come to me i will give u a some text to place on!

Jeez

[Jordan Mclay]

Harry as mentioned above, we have been in contact with skylar :) he is not co-operating

[CS-Harry]

If you contact me whatever you need change will be changed. We don't have to discuss anything, just make me a list of things that need to be changed.

[DavidsAwesome]

I hate to get involved, but I think you guys are getting a little extreme with this. I'd be angry too, but a simple talk with Crissic Support could have gotten it sorted out. Regardless of the excuses he gives you, if the page gets changed it won't matter. As for the legal threat i've seen... I think all a judge would do is have him change it.

[Jordan Mclay]

As much as i agree with you David, it doesn't set a good example if the owner of the company aint willing to change

I will have shequeita contact you regarding this (crissic support btw) thankyou for your co-operation if only skylar was like yourself.

[Mynode]

Yes, That;s well said

[Dan]

Ok. Here it is in a nutshell.

Now, I have good time for Geek Rack and the staff and we get along well both on and off of FWS. But I must state something here.

Copying text from another site to "fill the page" or whatever the reason, is not a big thing. Many webmasters do. Heck I have done it a few times.
To come on here and make a big deal out of absolutely nothing is way out of line IMHO.

Now, I don't know this skyler bloke or his company. I just heard of them. So what if he is only 15. As mentioned before, he is making money. He is obviously doing something most of us, including myself are not doing. More luck to him is what I say. If he keeps it going he could have a major company on his lap by the time he reaches 21.

Issues such as copying or borrowing text from one site to fill a gap is not, by any means, unethical nor is it, as far as I can see, Copyright Infringement. Get over it and move on. Contact their Support as suggested and have it dealt with.

[iBrightDev]

Dan, i would like to thanks for re-opening this thread, and you make some good points. But, it actually does violate DMCA rules to even copy the text. it is digital copyright. so, he is breaking the law. and this may be less serious over stealing a $500 template, but, when we have repeatedly contacted Skylar outside of FWS, and he has not responded, it doesnt look good. yes, i think this thread should and could have been handled a little differently, but, this is what happens when threads like this go up unfortunately. thanks for the input though, it is always appreciated. :beer:

[Stan]

Skylar stated to me, and I have noticed on his website, that he did infact change said items on his website before this thread was even put up. Jordan, who works for GeekRack, was communicating with him over the matter days before the post was up, and Skylar co-operated by removing the content that was so called "GeekRack's". You can check for yourself that it is infact gone. Jordan willingly posted this on FWS KNOWING that Skylar is unable to reply to this thread because he was banned for 1 month over an ad. It is unfair, and unethical to post a thread on a site that they willingly know he cannot reply to, and is pointless to be posting a thread about content that was removed two days ago

[Jordan Mclay]

You dont know the full story stan, skylar copied the whole of our shoutcast page i confronted him and he agreed to change it.

3 days later and skylar done it again, after telling him is that not a bit silly ?

I agree however it would be worse if he actually ripped a full template, I am not trying to bash skylar as he is a good guy apart from this and is working wonders for crissic.

I issue a public appology to skylar on my behalf and hope this doesn't happen again.

Regards,

Jordan.

[Mynode]

I will go with jordan here

[James]

http://geekrack.net/shoutcast.php

http://crissic.com/shoutcast.php

http://www.b2netsolutions.com/shoutcast-servers-hosting.htm <- This is almost identical content to GeekRack's (much more than Crissic)

http://www.webresellers.net/shoutcast.htm <- Same here.

http://www.owphosting.com/shoutcast_hosting.htm

Sorry but I don't find what you have on your page hardly unique Geekrack. I don't think you can claim copyright on that.

[Mynode]

Yeah it is james

[iBrightDev]

@James, crissic has changed the page at this point, so, it wont look the same anymore, but, he had an identical copy of wording and even layout prior to the thread opening. i have screen shots of other pages of this same issue. and yeah, there are a lot of similar pages, but, it was identical.

[James]

My point being most of GeekRack's wording and sentences on their ShoutCast page does not appear to be their own.

Identical? There are identical paragraphs in all those pages mentioned.

Let's look at the facts, not over-blowing this matter needlessly, especially somebody who can't reply to this thread to defend himself.

[JasonS]

Hey,

Skylar tried 'stealing' the Kayako owned license I was selling, with clients he might be great, but stealing content is how he gains them in this case.

[Mynode]

Really when did he try and do that? I wonder if his WHMCS is not stolen too

[Eclouds]

Jordan willingly posted this on FWS KNOWING that Skylar is unable to reply to this thread because he was banned for 1 month over an ad. It is unfair, and unethical to post a thread on a site that they willingly know he cannot reply to, and is pointless to be posting a thread about content that was removed two days ago

And what makes you think that? How is it unethical to talk on a forum that is made for hosting discussions? Isn't this a host related discussion?

[James]

Sorry I didn't join in to start defending somebody but, if one is to make any accusations about anybody, they should provide solid proof. I haven't seen anything solid, just words flying about. "He's dodgy, believe me". We all know he can be dodgy but if you want to accuse, show us the evidence!

[iBrightDev]

Really when did he try and do that? I wonder if his WHMCS is not stolen too

he did it right before Hugo Kurt and I purchased it. thanks again mate. :D


Sorry I didn't join in to start defending somebody but, if one is to make any accusations about anybody, they should provide solid proof. I haven't seen anything solid, just words flying about. "He's dodgy, believe me". We all know he can be dodgy but if you want to accuse, show us the evidence!

go look at the dedicated servers page, and the dedicated specials page, and another one i cant think of off the top og my head, but, if they havent been changed yet, you can see the exact same wording, and if it was changed, i have the screen shots. also, i know the nave is a dynamic drive menu, but, it is odd that it had the exact same links, in the exact same place till it was recently modded too. so, there is your proof. just go search around on the site a little James. yes, the type of nav is common and all over the place, it was the fact he copied it from the site with the same nave order and everything else.

[le00]

Should Skylar answer something? I think he should.

[James]

Crissic apparently resells GeekRack's dedicated servers... So what is wrong with listing the same features? I don't think they own the rights to a list of features.

Any decent root provider providing reselling services to its clients wouldn't mind their client copying the list of features... Some even let TOS be copied.

The OP also mentioned that ShoutCast page is the biggest problem. Well the paragraphs from the GeekRack page clearly does not appear to be written originally by GeekRack themselves so...

There's nothing I see which you can claim a DMCA for.

[iBrightDev]

Should Skylar answer something? I think he should.
he is b& as of right now.

Crissic apparently resells GeekRack's dedicated servers... So what is wrong with listing the same features? I don't think they own the rights to a list of features.

Any decent root provider providing reselling services to its clients wouldn't mind their client copying the list of features... Some even let TOS be copied.

The OP also mentioned that ShoutCast page is the biggest problem. Well the paragraphs from the GeekRack page clearly does not appear to be written originally by GeekRack themselves so...

There's nothing I see which you can claim a DMCA for.

he should put the menu in a different order, or at least make sure it is cool to list the exact same way. now that it is slightly different, i see no problem there. as for copy and past text from the other pages, besides shoutcast, that is DMCA. i am not trying to take either side, but, it is annoying that he repeatedly rips stuff from others.

[david432111]

Should Skylar answer something? I think he should.
How's he supposed to answer if he's banned?

[James]

Having it listed in a different order doesn't make it any better IMO.

Sorry, I still don't see how a list of features can be grounds for DMCA. Never seen or heard such a thing in my life.

[iBrightDev]

ok, well, this thread has become pretty pointless aat this point, and all you are doing it trying to contradict any evidence put in front of you at this point, so, thread should just be closed.

Mods, please...

[stuffradio]

This is getting pointless now. He can't even come here and defend his website, and it's just a bunch of banter.

You got the point across after the first 1 or 2 pages on here. You can read through this to see everything, and there should not be anything else needed to say.

/Closed