LxAdmin

[SC-Daniel]

Hey Guys,

I've been playing around with LxAdmin a bit lately and it has really grown on me! I am thinking of using it to offer a lower in price shared hosting division for those people who need quality hosting but don't particularly care what control panel they have to use.

I love how a complete LxAdmin system can run on about 15MB of RAM leaving TONS of RAM for customer's sites.

What do you guys think about offering LxAdmin shared hosting? Would it sell very well? Startup costs would be virtually nothing because I would be creating a Xen VM on one of our servers and using it to start.

Tell me what you think!

-Daniel

[hamster]

It would be unique, but your customers might shun you because there are loads of other providers with cPanel and powerful servers as well. You might want to try it out with a relatively cheap server first ;)

[SC-Daniel]

We already offer cPanel shared hosting as well... But as a lower priced option, possibly including a free base account, I am interested in how well it would go over!

Since we use HyperVM for our VPS management, LxAdmin is included. I am thinking about setting up a Xen VPS and using it to start.

[fnixws]

Id give it a shot, ive never use it myself.
If the prices are ok, and it has atleast some good features, peopl emaybe interested. Tho i think youll find most ppl want cPanel.

Its worth a shot, since you mentioned the startup cost being cheap for you. You havnt got much to loose.

[SC-Daniel]

Thanks for the comments! +Rep for both of you ;)

[Cam.]

I use LXAdmin for hosting as well on some plans and it actually went down really well with the customers... It uses about 20MB when idle on my 2GB server which used to use about 300-500MB with cPanel. It's also much easier on the CPU and great for proxy hosting ;)

[JasonS]

Hey,

LXAdmin is good in the shared environment. Personally I don't like the interference of it. It does all the basics of cPanel and it allows you to offer hosting at a more reliable price because of less control panel costs & more RAM available to you.

[SC-Daniel]

Now I wonder if LxAdmin could possibly be skinned... Hmmmm

Thanks for the comments! I don't really have anything to lose, so I think I'll throw it on a Xen VM and do a call for testers to see how it really works out.

[hamster]

Shoot me a PM if you need testers ;) I wouldn't mind trying LxAdmin out :D

[SC-Daniel]

Shoot me a PM if you need testers ;) I wouldn't mind trying LxAdmin out :D

Will do! I want to do some experimentations and learn my way around some of the features I haven't touched yet, before I start going public with it.

Now off to continue the search for a way to skin it ;)

[fnixws]

Yeh, me2. Ill give it a beta test if you need. :P

[SC-Daniel]

What sort of disk space and other resources would be fair for a BETA?

I've never done BETA accounts before so I wasn't sure...

I am about to build a new VM on one of our servers to do the BETA accounts off of. Once I do that I am still looking into some skinning options.

Has anyone read anything about LxAdmin's clustering system? It seems completely awesome and I may end up giving it a go too ;)

[hamster]

Maybe a 100MB space and 1GB bandwidth for each account or smth? Make sure it's oversold because you can't possibly give non-oversold as it's a total hell waste of money.

[SC-Daniel]

Well looks like by the end of the day today I will be ready to do a BETA. Everything seems to be running great so far but I want to put it under some further tests before the actual release.

Currently the BETA accounts will have:
100MB Disk Space
1000MB Bandwidth
10 E-Mail
5 FTP
10 MySQL

The BETA period will probably be 30-45 days but may be extended if further testing is required. At the end of the BETA period I will have everyone that participated fill out a survey and give feedback on if it would be a good idea to offer this as a permanent service or not. Depending on the feedback I receive, all BETA testers will be allowed to continue to use their accounts at a heavily discounted rate.

I will post more details later this afternoon on how and where to signup. I would most likely limit the BETA to the first 10-15 signups.

-Daniel

[hamster]

Woots! Save one for me and fenix, Daniel!

[fnixws]

Cheers Daniel :P

ye, somthing small is fine, just make some small packages with all features enabled. We can mess about for a while and report any problems.
Perhaps even make a quick forum to discuss it.

Who knows, if its a good system, perhaps ill look into it myself. I like to check out a bit of everything :D

[SC-Daniel]

Everything is ready to go... Except for some reason I cannot get the DNS server to be authoritative.

Off to do a bit more tweaking to see if I can get it.

[david432111]

This could be a great idea, but expect that most of people who will signup, will probably use there a account for making a proxy site.

[SC-Daniel]

This could be a great idea, but expect that most of people who will signup, will probably use there a account for making a proxy site.

Yeah, I thought about that... But the use of proxies on any of our servers is strictly prohibited by our Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy.

If I find out that someone is using the BETA account to run any form of a proxy their account will be disabled and they will have a nice little email in there inbox from us.

[SC-Daniel]

For anybody following this thread...

I have made the official post for BETA testers. If you are interested, please review the following thread:

http://freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2206134

Thanks!

[Corazu]

I might give it a shot, not too active using my current host though, so if you have enough people I won't bother.

[SC-Daniel]

I might give it a shot, not too active using my current host though, so if you have enough people I won't bother.

Hey Corazu,

I've only gotten two signups so far, so I have plenty of openings still left.

If you are interested just shoot us an email and I'll get you everything you need.

-Daniel

[hamster]

Heh, that was fast daniel... I'd have thought that you would take a few more days to come up with the beta lol... anyway, I've sent the email already and I'm waiting for a reply.

[SC-Daniel]

Yeah, I was going to give it a few days, but I've already been using LxAdmin for a couple personal sites and I know it pretty well.

Anyway, check your inbox ;)

[hamster]

Hmm... I don't have a spare domain lying around... I've never done this before, but is it possible to make a subdomain of one of my domains and edit the DNS zones of that subdomain to point at your nameservers using WHM?

[SC-Daniel]

absolutely... Signup with the subdomain you want to use and I will shoot an email your way with what you need to do to point it over.

[hamster]

I got it to work, but I had to create an account to create the subdomain because I couldn't find a way to create a subdomain on WHM and adding a subdomain in cPanel wouldn't show on WHM.

[fnixws]

I just grabbed a .co.cc

Thatll do for a beta test :D

[SC-Daniel]

Hey Hamster,

Hmmm you don't need to create an account to do it. Just edit the DNS zone and add an NS record for the nameservers in the welcome email.

Anyway... Fenix and Hamster, welcome emails should have gone out a bit ago, if you didn't get them let me know.

[hamster]

Got them already... waiting for the DNS propagation now lol... I have a feeling I got cached -_-

[fnixws]

ya, its up and running.

sofar so good.

good alternative to cpanel... so far

[SC-Daniel]

That's awesome to hear! LxAdmin has come a long way and if they implement half of the things that they say they are going to, then it may end up surpassing cPanel in features.

If you have any questions or anything just pop a ticket in and I will look at it

[SC-Daniel]

Just FYI... The server the BETA accounts are on is using 22MB of RAM currently ;)

This is a HUGE improvement over cPanel, even with the new VPS optimized version.

[hamster]

Hmm... it looks quite neat from here. Almost like cPanel X with poor colors lol.

Lovin the UI so far :D

[SC-Daniel]

I am going to see if I can skin LxAdmin with a custom skin... That should take care of the bad UI colors.

As far as the BETA:
I am opening up more BETA slots as this machine is barely even using any RAM or anything. Running at 24MB as we speak ;)

If you are interested I have 12 slots left open. Please email beta[at]servercomplete[dot]com and request more information about the BETA.

Thanks for those who have already signed up!

[fnixws]

Well, theres a bug in one of the automated emails.

I replied to it with the details.

[SC-Daniel]

Well, theres a bug in one of the automated emails.

I replied to it with the details.

Sorry about that! It was an error on my part. When I made up the welcome email I made a copy/paste error. I duplicated one of our cPanel welcome emails and then tweaked it to match the BETA details.

Fixed now and a new welcome mail should be coming out soon ;)

[fnixws]

hehe.. no need to resend the mail.

Im just reporting things when i see them.

As ive been saying, Sofar so good, ive tried almost every feature and i havnt found any problems :D

[SC-Daniel]

Have you tried the InstallAPP?

The LxAdmin InstallAPP (free btw) kicks Fantastico and Installatron to the curb in my book ;)z

[hamster]

lol I'm still waiting for my subdomain to propagate ;) I'll try the InstallAPP once it propagates fully ;)

[fnixws]

InstallAPP kicks --- man.
Tho theres a few things that fantastico has that it doesnt, but its got alot more to offer.

Unfortunatly, i notice some are "unavalible" and 1 of the ones i tested returned an SQL error when i tried to access the site after a sucessful installation.

I do have a mojor problem with Upload speeds to the server its on tho. I though at first it was my internet, but 3 days running, i cant seem to average more than 0.5kb/s. Suffised to say, its PAINFUL as hell to upload anything.

So I resorted to uploading it to my dedicated server, and sending it from there. Upload speed still sucked, but it was slightly better. Tho now im again uploading somthing.. slowly. If it times out, ill be pissed :(

Thats about it for now :D

[SC-Daniel]

Hmmm let me take a look at that one... It's fast whenever I upload anything.

And about the SQL error, remember which script?

[fnixws]

No i dont man, i should have written it down :/

Ill see if i can find it next time.

[SC-Daniel]

Hmmm looking fine to me!

http://www.servercomplete.com/speed.gif

[fnixws]

Not for me :S


EDIT: WTF happened to my attatchment :S

[SC-Daniel]

Not for me :S

That's strange! Must be an issue somewhere on the route between you and the server.

Did you try a tracert?

[hamster]

o.O I don't have any problems uploading ;) Maybe you should reset your router/modem?

[fnixws]

Well.. seems to not matter if i send from here (Australia) or my Dedicated server (US).
Uploading to the Dedicated server however i get full speed, average 30kb/s

Ill tracert.

[SC-Daniel]

That's strange! The test server is actually a VPS out of Databank in Dallas... I don't have the uplink or anything restricted so I am not sure why it would be slow to you from Australia and a server in the US.

I got 122KBPS and I am not on a very fast connection right now.

Shoot the tracert over to me in an email and I'll take a look. daniel[at]servercomplete[dot]com

[fnixws]

DEDICATED:



1 2 ms <1 ms 1 ms 69.94.120.3
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 65.18.175.133
3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms p9-0.core1.nyc1.bbnplanet.net [4.25.15.37]
4 2 ms 1 ms 13 ms vlan52.csw2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.97.62]
5 5 ms 2 ms 2 ms ae-73-73.ebr3.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.101]

6 18 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-3.ebr3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.132.89]
7 15 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-63-63.csw1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.134.1
62]
8 11 ms 18 ms 18 ms ae-61-61.ebr1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.134.1
29]
9 31 ms 21 ms 32 ms ae-2.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.132.85]
10 41 ms 53 ms 54 ms ae-7.ebr3.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.134.21]
11 51 ms 53 ms 54 ms ae-73-73.csw2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.136.158]

12 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms ae-24-79.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.19.70]
13 41 ms 40 ms 40 ms CWIE-LLC.car4.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.78.224.150]

14 40 ms 41 ms 40 ms 66.207.162.38
15 141 ms 141 ms 141 ms 66.207.161.68
16 141 ms 161 ms 240 ms 216.245.195.82
17 240 ms 241 ms * venus.servercomplete.com [216.245.195.85]

Trace complete.


LAN:


1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms SpeedTouch.lan [10.0.0.138]
3 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms lns2-loopback-0.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [203.1
7.101.66]
4 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms core1-ks-TenGigE-3-1.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [
203.10.110.211]
5 25 ms 24 ms 25 ms core1-hs-gigether-7-1.Sydney.netspace.net.au [20
3.17.96.102]
6 33 ms 31 ms 30 ms GigabitEthernet3-5.ult1.Sydney.telstra.net [165.
228.182.213]
7 25 ms 25 ms 14 ms Bundle-POS1.chw-core2.Sydney.telstra.net [203.50
.6.13]
8 40 ms 41 ms 41 ms Pos0-4-1-0.exi-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net [203.
50.6.189]
9 54 ms 53 ms 55 ms POS0-0-1-0.way-core4.Adelaide.telstra.net [203.5
0.6.213]
10 84 ms 84 ms 84 ms GigabitEthernet0-0-2-0.pie-core1.Perth.telstra.n
et [203.50.13.241]
11 86 ms 85 ms 84 ms GigabitEthernetx-x.pthp-core01.Perth.net.reach.c
om [203.50.13.242]
12 184 ms 183 ms 181 ms i-5-14.tmh-core04.net.reach.com [202.84.140.189]

13 182 ms 181 ms 182 ms static.net.reach.com [202.84.153.234]
14 210 ms 201 ms 208 ms static.net.reach.com [134.159.100.14]
15 198 ms 196 ms 202 ms 59.18.63.33
16 192 ms 194 ms 193 ms 59.18.62.30
17 201 ms 207 ms 210 ms 59.18.51.18
18 214 ms 215 ms 208 ms 222.122.145.58
19 303 ms 296 ms 294 ms 222.122.3.254
20 195 ms 196 ms 195 ms 222.122.159.2
21 197 ms 200 ms 197 ms 222.122.159.50
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.

Edit:
Looking at that, i can see 1 dam problem.

Signal goes from Melbourne to Sydney to Melbourne to Adelade To Perth, the Over Seas....
Thats just stupid, Should Go Melb, Syd, Aukland, Hawaii, LA

In other words, its taking the long route State side... Morons.

[SC-Daniel]

Hmmm so you are timing out from Australia and latency is high from one of the routers at Databank.

Let me try this from a couple servers I have in other DCs and see what I get.

[david432111]

I never got a reply when I sent an email to the email you specified.

EDIT: Never mind.

[SC-Daniel]

I never got a reply when I sent an email to the email you specified.

I shot one back to you shortly after you emailed us...

Hmmm check your PMs for the link to the ticket history.

EDIT:

nevermind per your last edit ;)

[fnixws]

Looks like ill be attempting to install LXadmin on that dedicated server :D

Currently its Windows tho, and im yet to find a good panel. Tho i like the windows server, so maybe ill have to get a linux one :D

[david432111]

Why do I have to validate through my phone number?

[fnixws]

He was going to turn it off.

Tho if your Genuine, i dont see the problem, you intend to use it for somthing illegal??

[SC-Daniel]

Hi Dave,

Sorry about that! It's just part of our normal order process... It seems to be ignoring the fact that I have call verification disabled for BETA accounts.

Let me get your info sent out for you

EDIT:
Hmmm Fenix does have a good point ;) Your IP doesn't match the country you chose either.

[david432111]

He was going to turn it off.

Tho if your Genuine, i dont see the problem, you intend to use it for somthing illegal??

No, it's just that I'm not much for giving out my phone number or any other details.

[SC-Daniel]

No, it's just that I'm not much for giving out my phone number or any other details.

Just generated the account... Let me shoot the welcome email

[david432111]

Thanks.

[SC-Daniel]

Hmmm why did you order again? Welcome email should be in your inbox

[fnixws]

bleh.. now uploading from the 100mbit Dedicated.
Uploading 6.45 meg
0.8kb/s
Time remaining 17hrs36min :S

Well.. in the end after about 45 min, it decided to speed up.

Now im finding it impossible to login to MyBB that was installed by the install script.

http://www.fenixnet.co.cc/forum/
user: test
pass: test1234
WTF :S

[SC-Daniel]

I logged in no problem... I have noticed though, that on MyBB sometimes if you just hit enter to login it doesn't accept the password and I have to go back and relogin and actually hit the login button.

I am not sure about the speed issue to you... The tracert's make it look like something at Databank, but then I can upload at 120KBPS no problem.

Although I am being routed in with Global Crossing and I think it said you are coming in via Level3. I will check into this more and open a ticket with the DC to see if there are any issues with the L3 link.

[SC-Daniel]

BTW Fenix, your site loaded very fast ;) I see you are using MKPortal as well... It is one of my favorite scripts to use as a CMS on top of a forum, but I normally use phpBB with it.

[fnixws]

Ya, i love MKPortal. I just thought id test it with mybb.
Ive gotten rather good at skining it too, so thought id try some mybb skins.
I usually use phpbb too, it seems to work best with it, but people keep telling me how good mybb is supposed to be, so i thought id have a go at using mkportal with it.

You logged in??

It tells you login sucessful, but doesnt log you in!
Make sure plz :P
Ive tried IE and FF, and Ive tried from here and the Dedicated :S

[SC-Daniel]

Hmmm maybe not! I know how to fix that though! Give me a few and I'll go take care of it ;)

Just a MySQL 5 bug...

[SC-Daniel]

Hmmm this may take a bit longer than I thought... I can't find where to switch MySQL passwords to authenticate the "old style"

This is an issue with MySQL 4.1+ not wanting to let PHP apps authenticate. As soon as I find where I can do this (and I swear I saw it last night) I will take care of it.

[SC-Daniel]

Just an update on the MyBB installAPP issue... There is a bug with the MyBB installer or something. Every other app works just fine except MyBB

I have talked with LxLabs about this and I am awaiting a reply from them.

In the mean time, the only thing I can think of is to reinstall MyBB/MkPortal by hand.

I'll let you know if i come up with a fix

[david432111]

I never got the welcome email, only an email stating that once my account has been created the details will arrive.

[SC-Daniel]

I never got the welcome email, only an email stating that once my account has been created the details will arrive.

I sent it out... I am not sure why you are not getting emails from us.

I will resend it to you in a PM

[david432111]

Thanks.

[fnixws]

Probly a spam blocker?

Hmm.. so the MyBB installer is the problem :S

Thought it was going to turn out to be a cookies or SQL issue.

Oh well.. I was just trying MyBB, because its there :P
Back to phpbb i guess.
Id install it manually, but as ive said, uploading to the server is very painful for me :(

[SC-Daniel]

Hey Fenix,

Sorry I missed this thread! If you would like I can try slapping it on there for you since my uploads are much faster than yours.

Let me know!

-Daniel

[fnixws]

hmm Yes please, ive tried to re-upload it 3 times, and it always times out after about 30min - 1hr, even sending from the US based Dedicated :S
Dump V 1.2 in a folder off the root called TEMP or somthing.

Cheers.

[SC-Daniel]

No problem Fenix... Uploading begins...








...NOW

[SC-Daniel]

There's a zip file in your /home/user directory ;)

[SC-Daniel]

I slapped an MkPortal zip file in there as well...

If for some reason you can't extract zips from the file manager let me know. I don't remember if you can or can't, but I am pretty sure that you can.

[fnixws]

Allright thanks man.

BTW, you should probly stop double posting, there is an edit button after all. :P

[SC-Daniel]

Allright thanks man.

BTW, you should probly stop double posting, there is an edit button after all. :P

That's true... I forget about it ;) This is the only forum I frequent that lets you edit after 5 minutes or so

[fnixws]

hehe.. it seems the opposite to me.

Most forums i visit, i can edit weeks later, here after a few hrs u cant :(



FFS, I cant login to this either :S
Goes to page not found!

Screw it, im going with Version M1.12.

Can you upload that for me? :D