25 lines..yet again....this is 25

[T^2]

So I got yet another infraction for 25 lines...however this time I think I am falsely accused. I have copied and pasted my original post and have inserted the line numbers as best I could and I get exactly 25 lines.


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1: Digital World Host can offer you our line of shared hosting as well as a customized plan all with our new pricing scheme
2:
3: Shared Hosting Plans:
4: Tier 1 - BW: 10 GB; HD: 2.5 GB for only $1.00/month
5: Tier 2 - BW: 20 GB; HD: 5 GB for only $1.60/month
6: Tier 3 - BW: 30 GB; HD: 7.5 GB for only $2.10/month
7: Tier 4 - BW: 40 GB; HD: 10 GB for only $2.40/month
8: Tier 5 - BW: 80 GB; HD: 20 GB for only $4.00/month
9: Customized Plan: BW: 120 GB; HD: 30 GB for only $6.00/month
10: ***One Time Setup Charge of $1.00***
11:
12: What's included:
13: cPanel 11 + Fantastico Deluxe
14: Number of features to meet your needs
15:
16: Why Us?
17: 1) online for over 2.5 years;
18: 2) have kept a 99.7% uptime through this time;
19: 3) and have zero negative public reviews (any problems have been resolved to the satisfaction of both parties in private).
20:
21: Read our reviews and uptime at http://www.webhostingstuff.com/compa...WorldHost.html
22:
23: Please note that if you are interested please contact us via email at sales@digitalworldhost.com or me personally. Because we are currently revamping our billing and support system we are unable to provide you with an order link and everything will have to be done manually by a member of our staff. Once our new billing system is setup you will be added to the database. We apologize for this.
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I stopped at 23 because that is a paragraph with no forced returns and to me it comes to exactly 25 lines. Want to go easy with the infractions Dan?

EDIT ADD: A screen shot of what I see --> http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/tangtangca/25.jpg

[jmiller]

Is the original post gone?

[hamster]

I see 25 lines here as well...

[Cam.]

25 Lines here too. I'm guessing it's just one of those rare mistakes that mods make :)

[Darknight]

25 lines here too. This rule has never made much sense to me because it would depend what rez you are on to how many rows the offer was...

[fnixws]

ITs happened to me.
Its because of the different resoloutions everyone views the forum at i think.
As far as im concerned a line is when you press enter.
Otherwise whats the point, To me its was probly 25, even with the word wrap.
At 800x600 tho its several more. Even some of the shorter lines there take up more than one.

[T^2]

Is the original post gone?

Yes, it was removed with my infraction. However, with the infraction notice I got a quoted version of it and I just simply copied and pasted what was in it.

And to me, a cap is needed sure, but the way it is enforced could be better. And as others have said..different resolutions will yield different line counts if a forced line break is not used.

Yup, I'm sure it's just a mistake. But what I don't get is who keeps on just reviewing my posts?! My previous 2 infractions (in the past month or so) for line numbers I had 26 lines...:S looks like somebody really doesn't like my offers.

[Decker]

Carefull now remember the other rule - about bashing mods :wink2:

PM him and state your case and ask the thread is removed :)

We all make mistooks - it's human...

[themoose]

The mods will be able to see the deleted post (I believe).

[T^2]

Carefull now remember the other rule - about bashing mods :wink2:

PM him and state your case and ask the thread is removed :)

We all make mistooks - it's human...

There's no bashing here. I have a point and case to make. =) 25 lines is 25 lines that's all.

All I want is for the infraction to be removed and an apology for the mistake that was made.

[Decker]

Join the club :D

[Schmarvin]

I'll join whatever club Decker is in. :)
Lol, hopefully you get things sorted out soon T^2.

[Jan]

This is taken from the infraction:


Digital World Host can offer you our line of shared hosting as well as a customized plan all with our new pricing scheme (http://freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2206092)

Shared Hosting Plans:
Tier 1 - BW: 10 GB; HD: 2.5 GB for only $1.00/month
Tier 2 - BW: 20 GB; HD: 5 GB for only $1.60/month
Tier 3 - BW: 30 GB; HD: 7.5 GB for only $2.10/month
Tier 4 - BW: 40 GB; HD: 10 GB for only $2.40/month
Tier 5 - BW: 80 GB; HD: 20 GB for only $4.00/month
Customized Plan: BW: 120 GB; HD: 30 GB for only $6.00/month
***One Time Setup Charge of $1.00***

What's included:
cPanel 11 + Fantastico Deluxe
Number of features to meet your needs

Why Us?
1) online for over 2.5 years;
2) have kept a 99.7% uptime through this time;
3) and have zero negative public reviews (any problems have been resolved to the satisfaction of both parties in private).

Read our reviews and uptime at http://www.webhostingstuff.com/company/DigitalWorldHost.html

Please note that if you are interested please contact us via email at sales@digitalworldhost.com or me personally. Because we are currently revamping our billing and support system we are unable to provide you with an order link and everything will have to be done manually by a member of our staff. Once our new billing system is setup you will be added to the database. We apologize for this.
Looks like 28 to me, but then it is only 5.45am and I could be seeing things ;)

[[DWH]Yuxuan]

Sorry Jan, but that is definitely 25 lines if you take away the second set of quotes. It is exceeding the 25 lines limit by 1 word with the quotes: this.

Screenshot:
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8944/linescountip4.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linescountip4.jpg)

[.Andy]

This is taken from the infraction:

Looks like 28 to me, but then it is only 5.45am and I could be seeing things ;)

It looks like this ends at "this." and that goes to a new line so its 26. On the screenshot the OP posted it dose come out to 25. I think her screen mite be a wide screen moniter and I can understand this being a simple error and I honestly with out bashing the moderators see this as a simple mistake anyone can make and IMHO the warning should be reversed.

[Jan]

On 1024 resolution, these are lines 26-29:

sales@digitalworldhost.com or me personally. Because we are currently revamping our billing and support system we are unable to provide you with an order link and everything will have to be done manually by a member of our staff. Once our new billing system is setup you will be added to the database. We apologize for this.
Just leave off what isn't a part of the offer and you should be fine :)

[.Andy]

On 1024 resolution, these are lines 26-29:

Just leave off what isn't a part of the offer and you should be fine :)

You got the op there. Seriously how hard is it to install whmcs or ipanel or ihost or clientexec and set itup.

[[DWH]Yuxuan]

Actually, what we are trying to do is quite hard (it won't be very conventional, so just setting up whmcs, ipanel, or ihost etc. won't do it).

Anyways, that is not part of the argument here, the thing is, by 25 lines, which resolution are we supposed to be using? Or should it be whatever the majority of the population is using? If the latter is true, then Tang's post did not break the rules.

I completely agree with limiting the length of a reply, but for a rule that limits the line count on a forum, shouldn't it be based on the majority of the population? Since a forum, by definition is a public meeting or assembly for open discussion!

Once again, I have nothing against the regulation itself, but I do have something against how open-ended of a regulation it is.

[.Andy]

Sorry If I digressed. I agree with you. Maybe have an automated program Jan or peo to just block the post saying its to long?

[Cam.]

I see 26 on this small monitor as well. T^2, I suggest you just remove a few lines, some of that stuff you put isn't really needed in an offer ;)

[T^2]

If you place them into quotes it will exceed 25 lines for sure. I know that, however, when I posted it I checked and double checked my line count. Jan, can you remove the quote and simply post the original post as a post by itself because what I quoted in my original post is the original post copied and pasted EXACTLY. But the quote box will make the paragraph return more lines.

And my problem isn't really with the my infraction(s) but with the way it is adminstered. I mean...if it -really- does vary with resolution...then the current way of doing it is CLEARLY flawed. I hope this isn't taken as a bash because regardless of who you are, you should be able to see a flaw and fix it when it is evident.

And the reason we include how the account will be setup is because we do normally have an automated system with a checkout link, however, due to the current condition of our business (re-construction essentially) the pricing is being done manually. Not that it is of any significant in this topic.

But back on topic, I guess I will simply start taking screen shots of every one of my offers in case this happens in the future.

[T^2]

Again this is an EXACT COPY of what Jan posted as my original post and once again I will COUNT the lines out.


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1) Digital World Host can offer you our line of shared hosting as well as a customized plan all with our new pricing scheme
2)
3) Shared Hosting Plans:
4) Tier 1 - BW: 10 GB; HD: 2.5 GB for only $1.00/month
5) Tier 2 - BW: 20 GB; HD: 5 GB for only $1.60/month
6) Tier 3 - BW: 30 GB; HD: 7.5 GB for only $2.10/month
7) Tier 4 - BW: 40 GB; HD: 10 GB for only $2.40/month
8) Tier 5 - BW: 80 GB; HD: 20 GB for only $4.00/month
9) Customized Plan: BW: 120 GB; HD: 30 GB for only $6.00/month
10) ***One Time Setup Charge of $1.00***
11)
12) What's included:
13) cPanel 11 + Fantastico Deluxe
14) Number of features to meet your needs
15)
16) Why Us?
17) 1) online for over 2.5 years;
18) 2) have kept a 99.7% uptime through this time;
19) 3) and have zero negative public reviews (any problems have been 20) resolved to the satisfaction of both parties in private).
20)
21) Read our reviews and uptime at http://www.webhostingstuff.com/compa...WorldHost.html
22)
23) Please note that if you are interested please contact us via email at sales@digitalworldhost.com or me personally. Because we are currently revamping our billing and support system we are unable to provide you with an order link and everything will have to be done manually by a member of our staff. Once our new billing system is setup you will be added to the database. We apologize for this.
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Again that is EXACTLY 25 lines for me and that is after my numbering has taken up some space infront of each line for the paragraph, causing the paragraph to indent earlier than they did in my original post.

EDIT: Again a screen shot of what I see:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/tangtangca/25lines.jpg

[hamster]

It's only because of the quoting that it overflowed to the 26th, other than that I still see 25 lines here too.

[Dynash]

Post a reply, use the size font to reduce it?

like so (just the not as important bits though)

[Jan]

Jan, can you remove the quote and simply post the original post as a post by itself
I took a screenshot of the original post.

Oh it won't fit as an attachment. Hang tight while I upload it.

http://www.territorian.com/tangpost.jpg

[hamster]

Ok maybe we should just void this infraction first, then state CLEARLY what RESOLUTION will be used to judge this kind of stuff from now onwards?

[Jan]

Signatures are moderated at 1024 resolution, so posts are too.

Signature rules: Your signature can have a maximum of 4 lines at 1024 resolution and must be in normal font size or smaller, no quote tags, and only two smilies. Links are allowed here, but no reseller links or links to sites that are not your own [no selling your signature like ad space].

[T^2]

Okay. Fair enough. Guess my laptop widescreen is what made me see only 25.

And just my opinion but I think some level of buffer space should be allowed.

[Jan]

25 lines is plenty if you just answer the request. Don't include all your plans and all the other superfluous crud. In fact you have actually broken another rule in that you didn't offer what was requested, but all your plans ;)

[T^2]

He didn't offer a specific enough request for it to be narrowed down to one plan, at least that is my humble opinion.

[fnixws]

Acutually, i was wondering why the forum kept insisting my siggy was over 4 lines when it was only 3, i guess that explains it!

1024x768 is pretty much the minimum resoloution these days. 1300x900 is pretty much becoming standard. If anything it should be based on that.

However i have to agree, if this rule stays in place, perhaps it should be more clear in the posting of the rule itself that its based on 1024x768.

[Jan]

I'm open to donations for a larger monitor :devious2:

[Dan]

I'm open to donations for a larger monitor :devious2:

Ditto :lol:

[hamster]

lol admins and mods blackmail using rules :D

[fnixws]

How about i find you guys nice cheap ones. Jan your in Aus, im sure i can get you a nice 22" LCD for under $200.
Dan you about to be... :D

[hamster]

Peo should sponsor all the mods and Jan new widescreen monitors :P

[krakjoe]

Or, you ( I ) could work out the average amount of printed characters in 25 lines at the forums ( Jan/Peo whatever ) resolution, then enforce that as a maximum instead of lines, much easier to enforce me thinks ...

[Dan]

Yeah. If we could get a counter for Characters in a post and restrict it to those or to amount of words, it would be much easier.

[T^2]

That or you could just have a flex room.

[Decker]

I think the character count would be best, just an up counter, and the limits for offers stated in the rules at xxx characters.

[Jan]

Or why not read what is requested and answer that? Joe Blow wants a cheap cpanel host with 50GB space and 200GB bandwidth. His budget is <$3 a month.

All you need to post is what you can offer in that area. He wants cpanel, so no doubt he has used it it before so doesn't need a long list of all that cpanel offers with the software.

How hard is that? Most times you all copy and paste from your website or previous offer in the offers forum. If you took the time to answer each request individually, there wouldn't be a problem. It aint rocket science :p

[Decker]

Hehe, you think that would work :D
The copy/paste rule I would guess is the one most broken!

[.Andy]

Hehe, you think that would work :D
The copy/paste rule I would guess is the one most broken!

I was about to say. 25lines For shared and reseller is more then enough. (even though I admit I broke this rule once by accident)

I'm all up for the counter. And a donation button for Jan!

[hamster]

Hehe, you think that would work :D
The copy/paste rule I would guess is the one most broken!

I type every one of mine out with reference to the last one I typed so each one differs slightly. If I ever get infracted for that rule, I'll post a thread :P

[Jan]

If I ever get infracted for that rule, I'll post a thread :P
Why bother? :tired2:

[hamster]

It's becoming tradition ;)

[James]

If the rule says 25, aim for 15 or less.

All you really need is a link. Why so much effort for a thread which will be viewed 60 times or so, mostly by mods and other hosts checking you out? :D And then to make a thread about it, come on - I'm sure you have better things to do.

[DavidsAwesome]

Gotta admit, I was there for you until Jan posted the SS of the actual post.

I'm on 1024x768 for the same reason Jan is, so I feel for her.

The 25 line rule is an extremely good one, I'm so tired of seeing people list out all their plans in detail, or giving me a biography of their company. People don't need to read for 20 minutes, they want an offer. I always wrote out mine manually, and it was obvious because there was at least one mistake in each one that I'd have to go back and edit :D

And... there might not be a mod after you, there might be a user reporting all your posts or something. I think Jan is secretly after everyone though.

[iBrightDev]

we should look into either not having a limit, or, getting a fixed width on the site for a 1024 layout. might keep problems like this from occurring. just an idea though.

[Skylar]

we should look into either not having a limit, or, getting a fixed width on the site for a 1024 layout. might keep problems like this from occurring. just an idea though.

A fixed width is a much better solution. Removing the post length would end us up with really long posts. As David had said, you shouldn’t be copy/pasting anything anyways. You should be able to post the basics free hand. Disk Space, Bandwidth, Ram, Extra Features, Cost, Setup Cost, Order Link, and possibly a short description of your Money-Back/Uptime Guarantee (very minimal though, with a link to the full version). What people must realize, is that the longer the offer, the less likely a person is to go with that company, as they don’t want an essay when asking a simple question, they just want the answer in its most simplest form.

[iBrightDev]

i vote for fixed width. it would not be to hard to do, even with the default vb layout.

[Jan]

What people must realize, is that the longer the offer, the less likely a person is to go with that company, as they don’t want an essay when asking a simple question, they just want the answer in its most simplest form.
Right! Imagine a newbie asking for a host and confronted with a looong post about all the cpanel crud. He/she just wants a host. Why should it take more than 25 lines to post price, space, bandwidth, MySQL and PHP versions and whatever else was requested? From memory when we discussed this, 20 lines was going to get the nod, but we went for the 25 to give a bit of leeway. Have a look at the request, do you ever see 25 lines of requirements?

[T^2]

People write different and have different messages to say. Not the point or place of a forum for it to tell users how to make their offers is it?

I do my best to not go over 25 lines but honestly, I actually just need 26 or 27 to make my offers complete and for me to say what I feel needs to be said. I'm a thorough person in life and when I do business, so that's how I am here.

But I understand and respect the rule. 25 lines, got it, but really not needed for people to jump on the band wagon and tell other people how to make their offers. To me and I believe some will agree that a good reply will require more than just the basics? I perfer to let the users know what the condition my business is at right now so that they can understand why we do what we do.

Anyways, points taken and I've been made to look foolish with my widescreen monitor.

[Skylar]

But I understand and respect the rule. 25 lines, got it, but really not needed for people to jump on the band wagon and tell other people how to make their offers. To me and I believe some will agree that a good reply will require more than just the basics? I perfer to let the users know what the condition my business is at right now so that they can understand why we do what we do.

I understand, but replying to requests isn't necessarily the place to try and sell out. You want to make it appear flashy enough so they will investigate your company. Regardless, you shouldn't have to survive based on replying to requests. FWS is a bit of a dog-eat-dog world when it comes to request threads, and its rather hard to get clients. If they would be a valuable client, then they would investigate you further. If they aren't flashy enough for you, then there will be another customer.

[TornadoGaming]

With the "this" on that line, I still get 25. I double checked too.

It is probably a resolution issue.

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side note: 50th post

[Jan]

25 lines, got it, but really not needed for people to jump on the band wagon and tell other people how to make their offers.

Speaking as a non host and potential client I can tell you that I don't need all the crud. If you reply to what I requested, you can tell me more if and when I contact your sales department.

[T^2]

Speaking as a non host and potential client I can tell you that I don't need all the crud. If you reply to what I requested, you can tell me more if and when I contact your sales department.

Okay sure, but at the same time wouldn't it be help to know why the plan that I offered is not listed on our website and why you can't find the auto checkout link for it?

Anyways, that's just a difference of opinion. Hopefully something gets done about the 25 line rule in terms or resolution or fixed width that's all I was trying to do with this thread.

[DavidsAwesome]

Okay sure, but at the same time wouldn't it be help to know why the plan that I offered is not listed on our website and why you can't find the auto checkout link for it?

"This is a custom plan, and isn't listed on our website because it's tailored to fit your needs" and "our billing system is under construction, so please contact me personally" would work just fine.

You listed ALL of your plans though, and went on to talk about how long you've been in business, your average uptime, and discussed how many negative reviews you've had and how you're good at solving them in private. And you spent 3 lines talking about how your billing system is being revamped.

I understand that you're a thorough person, and I'm sure your customers appreciate that greatly, but when someone specifically requests a certain amount of space, or gives a certain budget, they're expecting you to show them a plan that suits their needs.... they don't need all of them. It's supposed to be their responsibility to research your plans, your uptime, your reputation on their own if they're interested.

In such a competitive atmosphere, I can understand how you want to shine above the rest, and make it easier for the customer to see the reasons they should choose you, but you have to understand why it creates tension. While theres a chance the OP wants to read all of that, it's a pretty severe annoyance to anyone else who is trying to follow the rules by not copying and pasting, and someone who has to scroll for 20 miles down the page because companies insist on giving you their life story.

Long posts, similar to this one I'm writing are an annoyance to a lot of people :)

[T^2]

"This is a custom plan, and isn't listed on our website because it's tailored to fit your needs" and "our billing system is under construction, so please contact me personally" would work just fine.

You listed ALL of your plans though, and went on to talk about how long you've been in business, your average uptime, and discussed how many negative reviews you've had and how you're good at solving them in private. And you spent 3 lines talking about how your billing system is being revamped.

I understand that you're a thorough person, and I'm sure your customers appreciate that greatly, but when someone specifically requests a certain amount of space, or gives a certain budget, they're expecting you to show them a plan that suits their needs.... they don't need all of them. It's supposed to be their responsibility to research your plans, your uptime, your reputation on their own if they're interested.

In such a competitive atmosphere, I can understand how you want to shine above the rest, and make it easier for the customer to see the reasons they should choose you, but you have to understand why it creates tension. While theres a chance the OP wants to read all of that, it's a pretty severe annoyance to anyone else who is trying to follow the rules by not copying and pasting, and someone who has to scroll for 20 miles down the page because companies insist on giving you their life story.

Long posts, similar to this one I'm writing are an annoyance to a lot of people :)

The original request did not provide enough information for such a detailed response to be given.

Anyways, I don't think this is getting anywhere. Like I said, its a matter of personal perference and I don't really have the time to try and convince others how to run their business and I really couldn't care less.

[Darknight]

Right! Imagine a newbie asking for a host and confronted with a looong post about all the cpanel crud. He/she just wants a host. Why should it take more than 25 lines to post price, space, bandwidth, MySQL and PHP versions and whatever else was requested? From memory when we discussed this, 20 lines was going to get the nod, but we went for the 25 to give a bit of leeway. Have a look at the request, do you ever see 25 lines of requirements?

Im facing another issue,
What if I want to know everything? I limited my thread knowing that hosts cant post over 25 lines, so I have to ask more questions later because they are to scared of getting infractions...

People like me, just want everything listed when shopping to save time and save hosts time reposting/checking the thread.....
IE
1:Datacenter
2:company
3:Amount of IPs/cost of extra ips
4:allow adult and IRC
5:Server specs
6:Server specs
7:Server specs
8:Server specs
9:Server specs
10:Server specs
11:How long company been going for
12:Own your hardware or resell
13:Uptime//review links
14:Cost for upgrades
15:Foot note
16:Foot note
17:footnote

As you see Iv hit 17 already, just off the top of my head.. without a space included...

The rule needs changing to better suite people that want all the info, so you can say
25 line rule ignored in this thread or something... so hosts dont have to worry....

No I dont really want to read 100s of tos's just to find out few things, I want to know without searching, then pick a select few to do a more detailed search with...

[Jan]

How many server specs do you need?

[DavidsAwesome]

How many server specs do you need?

CPU, RAM, Line speed, OS, and control panel?


Maybe this is a better way to put it... If I were in a room with a bunch of hosts, and I requested hosting verbally to everyone, I would want simple answers, I wouldn't want you to talk my ear off about how much progress you're making in the industry.

That's just me though, and like T^2 said, we arent going to convince anyone of anything.

[T^2]

This isn't going to get anywher...the main thing is that THERE IS MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF PEOPLE meaning there is MORE THAN ONE KIND OF REQUEST AND REPLIES.

So to say that the rule is there because people don't need that much information is ridiculous, but to say that the rule is there because the forum doesn't want posts that go on and on is acceptable. But my issue is that now you're trying to tell people what and how to reply and how to run their business. And that is neither here nor there. Don't try to justify a rule by making such a generalization.

Let's close this thread now because there's nothing constructive going on, just a clash of views from one side that has power and another that doesn't...not a very fair fight is it.

[Skylar]

This isn't going to get anywher...the main thing is that THERE IS MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF PEOPLE meaning there is MORE THAN ONE KIND OF REQUEST AND REPLIES.

So to say that the rule is there because people don't need that much information is ridiculous, but to say that the rule is there because the forum doesn't want posts that go on and on is acceptable. But my issue is that now you're trying to tell people what and how to reply and how to run their business. And that is neither here nor there. Don't try to justify a rule by making such a generalization.

Let's close this thread now because there's nothing constructive going on, just a clash of views from one side that has power and another that doesn't...not a very fair fight is it.


I agree you wish to be thorough, but keep in mind not a lot of companies think the way you do. Most of them will just post nonsense. The fact is, as said on a number of occasions, if they really care that much about their host, then they would look beyond just the post of specs. What you could try doing, is posting a link (located on your site) with more "in-depth" information, such as snippets from your TOS, links to testimonials, and other, larger, information. Simply put, the 25 line rule works, so why change what is not broken?

Another note: You are basically on the verge of breaking another rule as you are technically "copying" your post, and just having it over and over. All you really change is the specs, and keep the TOS, Uptime, and other "non-crucial" information.

Everything is good in moderation -- keep that in mind.

[T^2]

Well what can I say, I like to live on the edge.

Can I request for this thread to be closed now or would that be on the verge of breaking another rule?

[Skylar]

Can I request for this thread to be closed now or would that be on the verge of breaking another rule?
??? No rule breaking now! :) FWS does have rather strict rules, but WHT is worse with rules.

[Darknight]

cpu, hdd, os, ram, ips, control panel, price
8 (not 5) before I even get to ask other details

[.Andy]

This isn't going to get anywher...the main thing is that THERE IS MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF PEOPLE meaning there is MORE THAN ONE KIND OF REQUEST AND REPLIES.

So to say that the rule is there because people don't need that much information is ridiculous, but to say that the rule is there because the forum doesn't want posts that go on and on is acceptable. But my issue is that now you're trying to tell people what and how to reply and how to run their business. And that is neither here nor there. Don't try to justify a rule by making such a generalization.

Let's close this thread now because there's nothing constructive going on, just a clash of views from one side that has power and another that doesn't...not a very fair fight is it.

Look at first I agreed but I have a problem with what your saying. Your not paying jan or peo for there free advertising.

[T^2]

Look at first I agreed but I have a problem with what your saying. Your not paying jan or peo for there free advertising.

Lol so your saying by being part of this forum Peo and Jan have the right to tell me how to run my business and how I should enteract in a social setting?

I'm saying, make a rule and I'll deal with it (and the infractions) but when you start to justify the rules with such ridiculous generalizations in an attempt to convince me that a clearly flawed rule is completely in the right, I have a hard time buying that.

The rules has now been clarified for me so I will use a not widescreen monitor to count the lines (this should be written clearly in the rules in my humble opinion and not placed with another rule regarding signatures which may or may not appear in the same thread).

Anyways, I think what I tried to get across with this thread has been accomplished so any generous mods out there want to close this for me?

[[DWH]Yuxuan]

Alright, I think this has gone on long enough for either party. The situation is very clear now, JUST DON'T GO PAST 25 LINES WHILE USING A 1024X768 RESOLUTION SCREEN.

The rest of the information in your post IS UP TO ANYONE, AND EVERYONE'S DISCRETION SO LONG AS YOU DO NOT GO PAST 25 LINES AND PERTAIN TO THE OTHER RULES.

So once again, unless your post is directly relating to the first post (COMMENTING ON THE 25 LINES RULE), you are posting off-topic replies and therefore posting for the sake of arguing. This applies for both sides (same for you Tang).

So to quickly paraphrase my key points:
- JUST DON'T GO PAST 25 LINES USING A 1024x768 RESOLUTION SCREEN
-IS UP TO ANYONE, AND EVERYONE'S DISCRETION SO LONG AS YOU DO NOT GO PAST 25 LINES AND PERTAIN TO THE OTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS

Since the issue regarding the first post has been formally and officially resolved by Jan and Dan, we will no longer benefit from any further information, any further replies, and any future inquiries. Therefore, we humbly ask either / any of the administrators or moderators (those relating to the thread and those who do not) to please close this thread.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read this post, I hope you had as much fun reading it as I had writing it (no sarcasm implied :)).

And thanks to everyone that replied to this thread (those supporting and those who do not), we value your opinions (honestly).

*phew*

[hamster]

Hmm.... weird.... I always thought there was a CAPS SHOUTING LIMIT... am I wrong?

[[DWH]Yuxuan]

Aw shucks, I knew I forgot something there ;).

[.Andy]

Yuxuan;992009']Aw shucks, I knew I forgot something there ;).
I thought there was do. Are you asking for another infraction? jk

[Jan]

I'm saying, make a rule and I'll deal with it (and the infractions)
We have but you haven't.

Can I request for this thread to be closed now
Sure!