Pentium 4/2400

[trenzterra]

Find out here http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q2/020402/index.html


was released just only I think.

[guitarnerd]

Interesting, they say the pentium 2400 has a 100mhz FSB I thought it was 400mhz?

[Giancarlo]

Best to avoid P4... it sucks.

[Jan]

So you tried it GC??? :confused2

[guitarnerd]

I may be wrong but I was always brought up knowing this

Pentium=Reliabilty and stability
AMD=Speed and less reliability.

Although I haven't used the Athlon XPs much yet, I have had no problems with them so far. But I think if I had a choice of anything I would pick dual 2.4 P4s! Ahhh

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by guitarnerd
I may be wrong but I was always brought up knowing this

Pentium=Reliabilty and stability
AMD=Speed and less reliability.

Although I haven't used the Athlon XPs much yet, I have had no problems with them so far. But I think if I had a choice of anything I would pick dual 2.4 P4s! Ahhh

That is just plain wrong.

Pentium is not reilability nor is it stability.

Infact I am on a P4 right now, it is damn slow. I would pick my Althon XP over any comparable P4 anytime, anyday.

[Christopher]

Well, my friend got an AMD with his computer, and whithin 3 days, everything inside the computer was burnt, not like fire burnt, but things didn't work... That could be a number of things, but now he has a P4 and has no prblems at all.

[Giancarlo]

That is an isolated case, and can happen to a P4. It happened to six work computers (P3s, they just stopped working) at the US Embassy... now they are using more reliable AMDs.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


That is just plain wrong.

Pentium is not reilability nor is it stability.

Infact I am on a P4 right now, it is damn slow. I would pick my Althon XP over any comparable P4 anytime, anyday. the benchmarks currently show that P4 is in every way better than the amd in speed.

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


That is just plain wrong.

Pentium is not reilability nor is it stability.

Infact I am on a P4 right now, it is damn slow. I would pick my Althon XP over any comparable P4 anytime, anyday.

The Intel proccessor .. gets less hot than the AMD ..

the Intel proccessor is also better under pressure

[Moonman]

I agree, i think Pentiums are way more reliable then AMD's but that is from personal experience.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by trenzterra
the benchmarks currently show that P4 is in every way better than the amd in speed.

That is a load of crap.

Take a look at the benchmarks that AMD puts up. And these benchmarks are not AMD's, but from different sources. AMD is more reliable for me and on the comparable Intel CPU is 10-20% slower than AMD.

Check your own sources for a change, and Tomshardware is biased towards Intel. (Matter of fact I think they are being bribed by Intel to put up false reviews)

Additionally, what do you people have to say about those six burned out Intel P3 machines the US embassy used? They are now using AMD because of my advice.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cdudeuk18


The Intel proccessor .. gets less hot than the AMD ..

the Intel proccessor is also better under pressure

Also not true. The second statement is not true. The third is true by a marginal percentage.

[trenzterra]

Anyway my experience with a PII/266 is better than my experience with an AMD/450

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Check your own sources for a change, and Tomshardware is biased towards Intel. (Matter of fact I think they are being bribed by Intel to put up false reviews)look at www.anandtech.com and see their benchmarks.

No, tomshardware isn't biased towards intel. it had couple of bad reviews about intel processors too.

[niv]

Performance almost never wholly depends on the processor...

You could have a P4 2400, with a horribly fragmented [and slow] hard drive and a corrupted registry and all...switching it to an Athlon most likely wouldn't do much for you.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by trenzterra
Anyway my experience with a PII/266 is better than my experience with an AMD/450

The AMD K6-2 Series you talk about is bad. I had one. It broke to pieces in my hand. But I have been using Althon XPs for a while now, and they have proved highly worthy. And even better than any P4 out, as you can tell by this benchmark below!!!

Trenzy, I trust this:
http://athlonxp.amd.com/includes/content/imagesBenchmarks/overallBenchmark.gif

[cheatpark]

My opinion is that with pentium you are just paying for the name. I am using an AMD on this computer and it works fine. I have used a pentium too and they are pretty much the same. I haven't had problems with either of them.

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Also not true. The second statement is not true. The third is true by a marginal percentage.

IF you knew what i used to do for a living .... you wouldn't say that ;)

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cdudeuk18


IF you knew what i used to do for a living .... you wouldn't say that ;)

Whatever.

I come up to these judgements by several estimations I have made. The government needs powerful computers, and when I recommended the State Department (US Embassy in Buenos Aires) to get AMD equipped Computers, they did and it has worked well. These computers are very heavily used by many people each day.

[trenzterra]

anyway lets not argue with the two processors because if we do this thread would have 4000 posts :D

[guitarnerd]

I think AMD and Intel processors are just the same. Where one lacks the other is better. No processor will ever be the same, they will all have varied stats. Even if they were made right next to each other. Why do you think Gateway chooses there processors, They buy the ones with the higher benchmarks and there requirments are more. It just all depends. And I bet when AMD has a benchmark test they get there best processor, and buy a cheap OEM pentium. I just say they are both good!

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by guitarnerd
I think AMD and Intel processors are just the same. Where one lacks the other is better. No processor will ever be the same, they will all have varied stats. Even if they were made right next to each other. Why do you think Gateway chooses there processors, They buy the ones with the higher benchmarks and there requirments are more. It just all depends. And I bet when AMD has a benchmark test they get there best processor, and buy a cheap OEM pentium. I just say they are both good! agree. Its depending on what the user wants so its no use arguing.

[trenzterra]

And anyway everything seems to be going so fast, I remember last year 1.4ghz-1.6ghz were the top of the town, now its the 2.4ghz.

[guitarnerd]

Originally posted by trenzterra
And anyway everything seems to be going so fast, I remember last year 1.4ghz-1.6ghz were the top of the town, now its the 2.4ghz.

What I think is amazing is that, it tooks us YEARS AND YEARS to get to 1ghz, and then it takes a few months to get to 2ghz.

Hehe, I used to have a 7mhz machine and that was fast! It had the game called Golf on it, all you did was choose your club and press space bar, and it would tell you if you made it in or not...those were the days...

[Robert]

I am an AMD fan all the way.

But.. Intel isn't "bad". I just think Intel is a waste of your money when you can get the same or better speeds with AMD. I do believe that the new P4 is faster than any AMD chip available, but let's give AMD some time to release a new chip.

Intel processor is better for gaming, doesn't get as hot as quickly.
Amd's processors are the best, but get hot fast. Proper cooling fan is more important on an AMD chip than a Intel.

GC: I HIGHLY doubt that the U.S. Embassy took the advice from a 17 year old kid. The U.S. Government has some of the best trained computer experts working for them and they turn to a 17 year old for advice? Hmmmm no. If, and only if, the government is using AMD instead of Intel is for 2 reasons.. one.. the price of AMD is cheaper, therefore they save money and 2, they have a special contract with AMD. AMD has many contracts with many organizations and corporations to use their chips.

[Giancarlo]

No, I said I could repair some machines for them, because their staff was on vacation so I did, and I told them AMD would be a smarter choice. Also I return favors for everybody at the embassy like fixing their computers so they know me.

And you better watch it when making fun of my age.

Intel chip is NOT for gaming according to the benchmarks.

[Robert]

First off.. i don't need to watch anything when making fun of your age. You're younger than me, respect me. Second off, I wasn't making fun of your age. I was 17 once too (actually 1 1/2 ago).

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Robert
First off.. i don't need to watch anything when making fun of your age. You're younger than me, respect me. Second off, I wasn't making fun of your age. I was 17 once too (actually 1 1/2 ago).

Oh now I have to respect somebody who is what... a year and half older than me? It is not like it really matters. Is there a difference between a 45 or 46 year old? No, except one person is one year older. I have seen the world, so it does not matter what age I am.

And respect me, if you want respect back.

[guitarnerd]

Everyone should respect everyone, your age does not matter. I am probably one of the youngest here.
Let's keep this thread on subject

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Whatever.

I come up to these judgements by several estimations I have made. The government needs powerful computers, and when I recommended the State Department (US Embassy in Buenos Aires) to get AMD equipped Computers, they did and it has worked well. These computers are very heavily used by many people each day.

Oh the goverment is going to need "powerful" computers ...

What you call "powerful" .. i call a toy :)

Unless you think

Quad 1.4GHZ P3
32GB RAM
8 x 100 GB IBM SCSI Drives
GEFORCE 4 Graphics
60 x CD rom
24 x DVD rom
24 x 16 x 40 CD-writer
DVD ram

is not powerful enough for you :confused2

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cdudeuk18


Oh the goverment is going to need "powerful" computers ...

What you call "powerful" .. i call a toy :)

Unless you think

Quad 1.4GHZ P3
32GB RAM
8 x 100 GB IBM SCSI Drives
GEFORCE 4 Graphics
60 x CD rom
24 x DVD rom
24 x 16 x 40 CD-writer
DVD ram

is not powerful enough for you :confused2

I don't like Pentium IIIs.... bad experience with them. Six of them went bad in the Embassy.

I recommend a real powerhorse, and that is AMD!

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by guitarnerd
Everyone should respect everyone, your age does not matter. I am probably one of the youngest here.
Let's keep this thread on subject try to beat me;) :D

I'm only a decade old.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by trenzterra
try to beat me;) :D

I'm only a decade old.

I thought you were 12?

Only 10? :eek:

[guitarnerd]

I'm impressed trenzterra.
you have my respect :)

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I thought you were 12?

Only 10? :eek: I thought everyone knew that, especially meowbaby

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


The AMD K6-2 Series you talk about is bad. I had one. It broke to pieces in my hand. But I have been using Althon XPs for a while now, and they have proved highly worthy. And even better than any P4 out, as you can tell by this benchmark below!!!

Trenzy, I trust this:
http://athlonxp.amd.com/includes/content/imagesBenchmarks/overallBenchmark.gif I don't see anything about 2.4ghz there.


what do you mean by 'broke to pieces in my hand'?

[Jan]

Please stay on topic!

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by trenzterra
I don't see anything about 2.4ghz there.


what do you mean by 'broke to pieces in my hand'?

I wouldn't be surprised to find the 2.4 Ghz P4 isn't much faster than the Althon XP 2100 (probably the same speed).

Well there was a static zap that made it fall apart. That was before I knew much about computers, it was caused by big dust balls pilling up in my computer.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I wouldn't be surprised to find the 2.4 Ghz P4 isn't much faster than the Althon XP 2100 (probably the same speed).

Well there was a static zap that made it fall apart. That was before I knew much about computers, it was caused by big dust balls pilling up in my computer. anyway little speed difference wouldn't kill us.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by trenzterra
anyway little speed difference wouldn't kill us.

I know. There is probably little speed difference between the P4 2.4Ghz and XP 2100+... but the price does make a difference, and the XP is much more cost effective.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I know. There is probably little speed difference between the P4 2.4Ghz and XP 2100+... but the price does make a difference, and the XP is much more cost effective. I don't have much choice here. In the computer stores most of them are intel p4.

[guitarnerd]

One thing I really don't like about the intel chips is that as GC said, they cost way more than the AMDs, and they are also always getting faster.

Not that, that is a bad thing but it is pointless to buy one for this price when you know in a week you can get a better one for the same price. instead of increasing each speed by 100 or 200mhz, I say they separate them more and just increase the speeds by 500mhz. or something.

SOmeone should come out with a processor subscription subscribe to intel and get a new processor every month. and then send/give back your old one

bad or good idea?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by guitarnerd
One thing I really don't like about the intel chips is that as GC said, they cost way more than the AMDs, and they are also always getting faster.

Actually there was an article stating that the Mhz or Ghz in INTEL cpus was being underdone because there wasn't enough horsepower. Like in a car. A Viper is a car to get because of horsepower.

Intel = Very Large Fiat with egg beater engine
AMD = Compact Viper with 350 Horsepower!



SOmeone should come out with a processor subscription subscribe to intel and get a new processor every month. and then send/give back your old one

bad or good idea? [/B]

That is a good idea...... a really good idea. Send that idea to AMD.


I don't have much choice here. In the computer stores most of them are intel p4.

Order online... http://www.newegg.com has cheap prices.

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I don't like Pentium IIIs.... bad experience with them. Six of them went bad in the Embassy.

I recommend a real powerhorse, and that is AMD!

Even though i had a 900MHZ duron .. and have had no problems with it ....

when i had a server online ... the AMD proccessor blew up :mad:

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by cdudeuk18


Even though i had a 900MHZ duron .. and have had no problems with it ....

when i had a server online ... the AMD proccessor blew up :mad: durons and celerons are not a choice for servers. celerons and durons get heated up pretty quickly.