Favourite Gun company? [Archive]

Webdude

April 7th, 2002, 14:39

Well see, that's why the U.S. would be so hard to take over. Too many people have guns and a goos stock of ammo. A 22 rifle is just as damaging to a body as anything when you used hollowpoint longrifles....which I buy in bulk of 550 per box for $5.00. The 22 bullet is the most accurate in the world and has a minimum range of a mile.

So imagine someone pointing a semi automatic 22 rifle at you loaded up with longrifle hollowpoints and a high powered scope. Half a mile from a paper target, I have unloaded my gun into it and not missed a single time. Often times, these hollow points are more deadly than larger bullets.....because they exploade and shatter in you. They make a small hole going out, but leaving a large gaping hole coming out the other side. For the best combination of range, accuracy, and damage....this is the best gun..

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 14:43

Originally posted by Webdude
I can buy and own that if I want. Perfectly legal for me :D

Yeah right... there are laws prohibiting civilians from own Assault rifles and SMGs, even in America.

Police here in Argentina often have them.

Daniel

April 7th, 2002, 15:03

I HK mp5 kicks ---. Best gun in Counter-Strike. :D

I fired my brother's mp5 before. He's SWAT :cool:

No really, he works for the police and he's part of the SWAT team of montreal.

Webdude

April 7th, 2002, 15:07

You can buy anything you want if you are a collector with a dealership license. It doesnt cost much to get one, and you only have to have a clean record.....well, in Texas anyway. I dont know about other states. At one time, I was going to open a gun store. I got the license, but never opened the store and never really bought anything. Of course there are certain restriction such as who I can sell to and all that. There are certain levels of licenses. If I was willing to spend the kind of money, I could upgrade my license and buy anything.

Did you know that Bill Gates owns 4 of the U.S. Aircraft carriers and has them leased to the Navy? A good part of American military is privately owned and leased by the government. I'd hate to see the insurance rates on those.. With a license upgrade, I could buy a fully loaded Apache helicopter and lease it to a miltary branch. Though I doubt I will ever have that kind of money...

Gates is also one of the two top shareholders in Newport Shipbuilding, who builds the U.S. nuclear aircraft carriers..

I guess you dont quite know everything...do you Gian :D

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 15:11

Oh so now I am an idiot, webdude? Do me a favor and don't mock me.

Guns I have fired:
M-16A2 Semi-Automatic Rifle
M-4 Carbine Semi-Automatic Rifle

Those I fired while at a military base, both using blanks though... hey I was asked if I wanted to fire them at a military show, and I said yes.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 15:12

And it is me who is the military expert around here.
Back up your assumptions with facts! And I will believe you.

BTW, Webdude, Gates can't even afford a single aircraft carrier.

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 15:23

Mine has got to be the HK G11, 4.38/Case Less, this thing is so beatiful, it's not even funny.

Here is a site www.securityarms.com it's an awesome site, the best gun site in the world. Wait- Gates can't afford a single aircraft carrier? How much do they cost? 100 billion? And, Colt does make good Assault Rifles, but SOCOM kinda gives them accesories. Another Edit, LOL, I've fired the Colt M4, the HK MPK, HK G11, AK47, and a couple of side arms.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 15:27

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cvn-76.htm

$4.3 Billion (Without Maintainance costs)

And Psychopath would you quit lying. We know a 14 year old couldn't of fired all those weapons. I am 17, so maybe... because a lot of people in the military are 18 and I was let at military show.

Canuckkev

April 7th, 2002, 15:36

Well GC, look at his avatar! It looks like he likes guns...

I have never fired a gun in my life. I don't want to either. While it is important for people to be protected, with 7 year old kids taking their parents guns to school, it makes you wonder if they are such a good thing...?

Webdude

April 7th, 2002, 15:36

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/9376.html

That is where it discusses his shares in the ship building. I am still looking for the one out there that talks of his actual ownership in some carriers.

Gian...the ships run $4.6 billion as you say, and Gates is worth $85 billion....why do you think he couldnt afford even one? I think something is wrong with your calculator, wipe the keys off.. The military let's private groups and individuals buy the hardware and leases it from them. ALthough the military pays more in the long term, they keep within their yearly budgets by doing so.. It makes sense to do if you have that kind of money..

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 15:38

Originally posted by Webdude
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/9376.html

That is where it discusses his shares in the ship building. I am still looking for the one out there that talks of his actual ownership in some carriers.

Oh shares... you should have been more specific! That is true.

Anyways, I am still the military expert around here.

Well GC, look at his avatar! It looks like he likes guns...

Sheesh, a 14 year old? Me liking guns makes a little sense because I could enter the army if I wanted to once I complete high school (I probably wouldn't).

Webdude

April 7th, 2002, 15:43

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Anyways, I am still the military expert around here.

Maybe as far as Non-American militaries, but not ours :D

Let me tell you about some information I have that can be talked about now. Let's go back to the U.S.S. Stark. It had the Phalanx system, so why in the world did the ship get hit?

We will see how much you know...

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 15:44

Originally posted by Webdude

Maybe as far as Non-American militaries, but not ours :D

Let me tell you about some information I have that can be talked about now. Let's go back to the U.S.S. Stark. It had the Phalanx system, so why in the world did the ship get hit?

We will see how much you know...

I really don't know about that. Non-American Militaries yes. I can name the specifics of any military in the world, besides that of the US.

But I certainly am no idiot.

Argentina: 200 TAM Tanks, Several Dozen Mirage III and 5 Fighters, 60 Pucara Prop Fighters, and some French/British Ships

Chile: 200 Assorted Tanks (Leopard 1A5, AMX-30 Varients), 10 F-16C/D Block 50 Ordered worth at about $636 Million, and 2 KC-130 Transports ordered.

Brazil: 200 Assorted Tanks, Several Dozen Mirages, F-5s and AMX Fighters, some good ships including the new aircraft Foch bought from France.

Should I continue?

Webdude

April 7th, 2002, 15:59

The system was still new and had a few electronic bugs it hadnt worked out. The Phalanx system looks like a giant R2D2 with a ----. That ---- is an M-61A1 Gatling gun that fires 20mm's at 4,500 rounds per minute using a Pneumatic Gun Drive. It has a 360 degree radious and can automatically detect incomings, determine if friendly or enemy, and blow them out of the sky. Aboard the U.S.S. Wisconsin they were doing it's initial testing there, but it screwed up. Someobdy had pigions with electonic tags. It homed in on them as enemy and they were gone. Bad bad bad with all those Admirals around..LOL

Anyway, back to Stark. It has an electronic shutoff, electronic lock, and a mechanical lock. Due to the bugs, they had to keep it turned off to prevent it from frying it's circuits, and with the electronic lock on it. Some idiot thought it was best to have, in the middle of a war zone, the mechanical lock on it as well. They detected the incoming, and with the push of a button enabled the Phalanx system and it immediatly came online. The unfortunate thing was that that mechanical lock was in place, with no time to get a man to it to get it off. Blunders like this are quite popular in our military.

Come to think of it, I think that is still classified. Oh well, what are they going to do? Shoot me? LOL

Umm, it could be... I found this http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/weapons/wep-phal.html

but it doesnt have the Stark or a few other I know of listed..

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 18:47

Umm webdude, I really don't care what the US is getting. I do care about the AEW AEGIS System Spain is putting on new Destroyers...

And I am more knowledgable about the US Airforce and Army, not Navy.

Weapon

April 7th, 2002, 18:54

Originally posted by Daniel
I HK mp5 kicks ---. Best gun in Counter-Strike. :D

I fired my brother's mp5 before. He's SWAT :cool:

No really, he works for the police and he's part of the SWAT team of montreal.
nah thats where u r wrong :D the mac 10 is, ahhhh what a great high powered water pistol :D~~~

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 18:55

Originally posted by Weapon

nah thats where u r wrong :D the mac 10 is, ahhhh what a great high powered water pistol :D~~~

The MAC-10.... sucks! The Galil is better!! Those Israelis know how to make guns!

stu

April 7th, 2002, 19:03

webdude is the new resident military expert around here...:biggrin2:

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 19:16

Originally posted by stu
webdude is the new resident military expert around here...:biggrin2:

Yeah right. I am the expert around here... because I know the most about militaries around the world, and the US army and airforce.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 19:20

Who is the expert now?

America's Next Assault Rifle:
Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW) will be a light weight weapon capable of firing kinetic energy projectiles and an air-bursting fragmentation munition. It will allow soldiers to effectively attack targets at greater ranges, and to attack targets in defilade. It combines leading edge technologies in miniaturized fuzing; integrated fire control; light weight, high strength materials; and munitions effects. OICW will increase the lethality and survivability of the individual soldier. It is the sole lethality component of the Dismounted Battle Lab's 21st Century Land Warrior (21 CLW) Top Level Demonstration.

The Objective Individual Combat Weapon Advanced Technology Demonstration (ATD) provides an enhanced capability for the 21st century infantryman, with the potential to selectively replace the M16 rifle, M203 grenade launcher, and M4 carbine. The fire control system (FCS), using a laser range finder, pinpoints the precise target range at which the HE round will burst and relays this information to the 20mm ammunition fuzing system. Fragments from the bursting munition will defeat PASGT armor. The sighting system provides full 24-hour capability by employing uncooled IR sensor technology for night vision.

Advantages:
500 percent increase in probability of incapacitation
New soldier capability to defeat targets in defilade
Effective range to 1,000 meters
Day/night fire control; wireless weapon interface
Substantial weight reduction
Ergonomic design (Hardly)

http://www.glomar.net/oicw4.jpg

stu

April 7th, 2002, 19:25

webdude is the new resident military expert around here...:biggrin2:

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 19:25

"kinetic energy projectiles" What, bullets? Kinetic Energy is just motion.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 19:27

Originally posted by stu
webdude is the new resident military expert around here...:biggrin2:

Well it will be like Mac versus PC. I am the PC. The bigger expert.

kinetic energy projectiles" What, bullets? Kinetic Energy is just motion.

Yes bullets. :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 19:27

Hmm..the OICW sure looks a lot like the FN 2000.

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 19:28

What else? Pure Energy?

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 19:29

Originally posted by PyschoPath
What else? Pure Energy?

:rolleyes:

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 19:30

Are you being sarcastic, or do you not know what Kinetic Energy is?

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 19:32

Originally posted by PyschoPath
Are you being sarcastic, or do you not know what Kinetic Energy is?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why not say something intelligent for a change? I always see you insulting others.

It seems you don't know what Kinetic Energy is.

It is perfect in this meaning. Bullets use motion to get to their targets. Is that so hard to understand? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

trenzterra

April 7th, 2002, 19:42

its illegal to use guns in singapore

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 19:43

Originally posted by trenzterra
its illegal to use guns in singapore

Yeah I heard they have very strict laws there. Is that true?

Daniel

April 7th, 2002, 19:46

Originally posted by Weapon

nah thats where u r wrong :D the mac 10 is, ahhhh what a great high powered water pistol :D~~~

THE GLOCK IS BETTER THAN A MAC-10!!!

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 19:49

Originally posted by Giancarlo

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why not say something intelligent for a change? I always see you insulting others.

It seems you don't know what Kinetic Energy is.

It is perfect in this meaning. Bullets use motion to get to their targets. Is that so hard to understand? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:sigh: Alright, kinetic energy is the energy possessed by a body because of its motion. A KINETIC ENERGY PROJECTILE IS A BULLET OR ANOTHER MOVING OBJECT, JACKASS.

trenzterra

April 7th, 2002, 19:51

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Yeah I heard they have very strict laws there. Is that true? quite. if you're caught littering, you have to sweep the beach and I think you'll be fined too.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 19:57

Originally posted by PyschoPath

:sigh: Alright, kinetic energy is the energy possessed by a body because of its motion. A KINETIC ENERGY PROJECTILE IS A BULLET OR ANOTHER MOVING OBJECT, JACKASS.

No ----. Now did I dispute that you dumb----?

BTW, I don't even want to argue with somebody who has so little intelligence about weapons, and lies about what he fired in real life.

quite. if you're caught littering, you have to sweep the beach and I think you'll be fined too.

Usually they fine you in the US, but you don't have to sweep any area. Now that is harsh.

Daniel

April 7th, 2002, 19:59

Originally posted by trenzterra
quite. if you're caught littering, you have to sweep the beach and I think you'll be fined too.

I heard that if you get caught chewing gum, you'll get thrown in jail.

I hate to see what happens when you get caught doing drugs :nervous:

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 20:02

Originally posted by Daniel

I heard that if you get caught chewing gum, you'll get thrown in jail.

I hate to see what happens when you get caught doing drugs :nervous:

Sometimes in Asia you get life imprisonment for being caught with drugs. In China you get thrown in front of a firing squad.

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 20:03

Wow, and I'm supposed to believe anything YOU say? Good god. People have something called 'a life', they have friends, they have friends whose fathers or brothers are in the ARMED FORCES. There's something called firing ranges, and gun shows, and a multitude of things. You think I have a little knowledge of weapons? The only reason I started this topic is to see how many others liked guns as much as I did. The only reason I even bought games like Ghost Recon, Soldier of Fortune, and Counter Strike is to see how real to life the guns were.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 20:07

Originally posted by PyschoPath
Wow, and I'm supposed to believe anything YOU say? Good god. People have something called 'a life', they have friends, they have friends whose fathers or brothers are in the ARMED FORCES.

My uncle served in Vietnam from 1966-1973. And you don't have a life, so buzz off.

There's something called firing ranges, and gun shows, and a multitude of things. You think I have a little knowledge of weapons? The only reason I started this topic is to see how many others liked guns as much as I did. The only reason I even bought games like Ghost Recon, Soldier of Fortune, and Counter Strike is to see how real to life the guns were.

:rolleyes:

BTW: I know more about Armored Equipiment and Aircraft then guns. But still my knowledge in this area is great.

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 20:10

All of the males in my family served in one war or another. I'm from Croatia, lots of moronic fighting over damn ethnic crap, o'er there.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 20:12

Originally posted by PyschoPath
All of the males in my family served in one war or another. I'm from Croatia, lots of moronic fighting over damn ethnic crap, o'er there.

Oh. Now that explains this.

My uncle served in Vietnam. My mom's father served in the Spanish Civil war on the Nationalist Side (Franco).

Well I will end this little argument.

I know more about Armored Vehicles and Aircraft then rifles.

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 20:15

Yeah, sorry, I knew a lot about Aircraft, I studied them through 1993-1999, I didn't study them anymore because I thought the US Airforce didn't accept people who wear glasses.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 20:16

Originally posted by PyschoPath
Yeah, sorry, I knew a lot about Aircraft, I studied them through 1993-1999, I didn't study them anymore because I thought the US Airforce didn't accept people who wear glasses.

From 1993-1999? So you started studyng them when you were 6 or 7? I find that hard to believe.

I know details from about every combat aircraft in the world.

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 20:20

Yeah, I wanted to be a pilot. I drew jets all the time in school, Mig-29s and Flankers, cool stuff. The teacher looked at my poor art and said "You want to be a bird" I yelled out "No,it's a jet plane!" Hehehe. I've got some books on them still, in my attic.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 20:21

Originally posted by PyschoPath
Yeah, I wanted to be a pilot. I drew jets all the time in school, Mig-29s and Flankers, cool stuff. The teacher looked at my poor art and said "You want to be a bird" I yelled out "No,it's a jet plane!" Hehehe. I've got some books on them still, in my attic.

In art I have painted several aircraft... F-16, MiG-27 Flogger, and AMX... they look quite close because I worked on each for two weeks.

Daniel

April 7th, 2002, 20:27

When I was younger, I used to watch James Bond movies and stuff with machine guns and stuff. I recreated scenes from those movies in some of my drawings.

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 20:29

I did one painting of a scene of the flag raising in Mt. Suribachi... the historic one.

Weapon

April 7th, 2002, 20:41

Originally posted by Daniel

THE GLOCK IS BETTER THAN A MAC-10!!!
ROFL thats a cap gun :D

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 20:42

Originally posted by Weapon

ROFL thats a cap gun :D

I am telling you those are water pistols compared to the Galil or MP-5.

Daniel

April 7th, 2002, 20:48

Originally posted by Weapon

ROFL thats a cap gun :D

Atleast it scares people off rather then soak them. :p

Weapon

April 7th, 2002, 20:48

hahah pepper spray is even better than the glock :D

Daniel

April 7th, 2002, 20:50

Originally posted by Weapon
hahah pepper spray is even better than the glock :D

I wreak havoc on cts using my glock.

Hell, my ump45 is better than a mac-10.

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 20:59

The Glock is a pretty strong gun. I mean, it has 3 shot fire, it's also pretty big, they make it seem small. It's about 8 or so inches, I think. The damn Deagle is around a foot.

Daniel

April 7th, 2002, 21:07

Originally posted by PyschoPath
The Glock is a pretty strong gun. I mean, it has 3 shot fire, it's also pretty big, they make it seem small. It's about 8 or so inches, I think. The damn Deagle is around a foot.

Deagle is about 10 inches. It's a reletively big gun. I like the Five-Seven, bigger bullets than the colt :D

Weapon

April 7th, 2002, 21:13

lol the bullets are piss poor but they can sure penetrate my armour :D

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 21:14

How about the M-4 Carbine? Now that is one hell of a semi-automatic rifle...

Giancarlo

April 7th, 2002, 21:21

Oh here is a little tid-bit on the MP-5 (By far the best SMG ever made):

MP-5 Options:
Single Shot - For long range targets
Double Shot - For targets that are moving
Rapid Fire - Now this is my mode!

I saw on Discovery channel, that this one lady doing an interview on the FBI´s Hostage Rescue Team fired an MP-5. The Officier she was interviewing told her the MP-5 had those three options and let her fire it. Rapid fire was bloody increible. And on the movies they underdo the real effectiveness of the MP-5.

PyschoPath

April 7th, 2002, 22:55

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Oh here is a little tid-bit on the MP-5 (By far the best SMG ever made):

MP-5 Options:
Single Shot - For long range targets
Double Shot - For targets that are moving
Rapid Fire - Now this is my mode!

I saw on Discovery channel, that this one lady doing an interview on the FBI´s Hostage Rescue Team fired an MP-5. The Officier she was interviewing told her the MP-5 had those three options and let her fire it. Rapid fire was bloody increible. And on the movies they underdo the real effectiveness of the MP-5.

Most SMG/Assault Rifles have those options. HK MP5's are the best guns because they are so small, and so effective, in CS, and other games, it has the best stability, and overall perfomance. It is truly a godlike SMG. Of course, there are better. Dunno which :-P

Weapon

April 8th, 2002, 01:40

once on this SWAT documentary they had this mp5 that could turn into a oversize pistol still with all the features :D , oh and whats the different between a m16 and colt carbine? :confused2

meow

April 8th, 2002, 02:22

Doesn't matter. They are both too heavy for you to lift anyway. Keep to your water pistols (like me). :D

Weapon

April 8th, 2002, 02:56

its not that heavy cos I still remember the time when I went on holiday to vietnam and was allowed to use a mp5 and killed some cats with it :D

PyschoPath

April 8th, 2002, 03:02

Heavy? They're not that heavy, but, a deagle's recoil can blow your shoulder out of its socket, if not careful. It's too much power in a condensed area.

Toefur

April 8th, 2002, 03:42

Wow. People have favourite gun companies now. :nervous:

And we have people argueing who knows more about which ones... the times we live in, the times we live in.

Jan

April 8th, 2002, 05:27

Indeed scary Toefur, it is a sick society that has to have a gun handy to protect themselves.

Long live Australia!

meow

April 8th, 2002, 05:31

I voted for air guns but I don't think anyone noticed. :biggrin2:

Giancarlo

April 8th, 2002, 07:44

Meow, the M-4 Carbine is not to heavy because I fired it before. Along with the M-16A2.

Jan

April 8th, 2002, 07:49

Originally posted by meow
I voted for air guns but I don't think anyone noticed. :biggrin2:
I think meow might prefer airguns to heavy armoury :confused2

meow

April 8th, 2002, 07:52

Wanna see my bazooka, Jan? :biggrin2:

I sid it was to heavy for weeps to diminish him as he deserves. :devious2:

Giancarlo

April 8th, 2002, 07:53

Originally posted by meow
I sid it was to heavy for weeps to diminish him as he deserves. :devious2:

Oh that makes all the difference. Weeps probably couldn't fire a watergun without being thrown across a room.

Weapon

April 8th, 2002, 08:48

I once dislocated my shoulder shooting a bb gun :cry2:

Giancarlo

April 8th, 2002, 08:50

Originally posted by Weapon
I once dislocated my shoulder shooting a bb gun :cry2:

ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO

Now that is hilarious.

I nearly dislocated my shoulder trying to shoot a 12 gauge shotgun.

Weapon

April 8th, 2002, 08:55

Originally posted by Giancarlo

ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO

Now that is hilarious.

I nearly dislocated my shoulder trying to shoot a 12 gauge shotgun.
oi! bb guns aren't toys, search it up at cnn.com and u will see all the accidents it involves :chinese2:

Giancarlo

April 8th, 2002, 08:56

Originally posted by Weapon

oi! bb guns aren't toys, search it up at cnn.com and u will see all the accidents it involves :chinese2:

I know but they don't have any exertion. You dislocating your shoulder with one is just plain hilarious. As comparsion with me nearly dislocating mine firing a 12 gauge shotgun. :biggrin2: