[Thread Closed] are these any good

[is0lized]

64MB DDR NVIDIA GEFORCE3 TI200 WITH TV-OUT AGP 3D VIDEO CARD 159$

NVIDIA GEFORCE4 MX440 64MB DDR TV-OUT SPECIAL EDITION WITH 2 GAMES $135

[guitarnerd]

They are very good, but what do you need such hi-end graphics cards for anyway?

[is0lized]

i mean price

[guitarnerd]

Yeah those are good prices, I think you should have named the thread, "are these good prices?"

[Toefur]

Sounds a bit expensive to me.

[Bruce]

The price for the Ti200 is fine, but DO NOT buy an MX series card. The Geforce4 MX440 is nothing but an overclocked Geforce2. MX cards suck.

[tandoc]

Originally posted by is0lized
64MB DDR NVIDIA GEFORCE3 TI200 WITH TV-OUT AGP 3D VIDEO CARD 159$

NVIDIA GEFORCE4 MX440 64MB DDR TV-OUT SPECIAL EDITION WITH 2 GAMES $135

their good prices but why get them? you could prbably get a cheaper one with maybe 32mb.. but if you do you get one.. make sure your processor is really really good.. because the card is limited by the procssor.. so 32mb card could be the same as having 64mb caard on a 500mHz computer

[Giancarlo]

Get an ATI Radeon 8500... same price, better performance. The drivers is a slight problem, but do not install the display drivers from the CD provided but from the Windows Update thing for the latest.

[guitarnerd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Get an ATI Radeon 8500... same price, better performance. The drivers is a slight problem, but do not install the display drivers from the CD provided but from the Windows Update thing for the latest.
A lot of mother boards require Nvidia cards, so don't count on everyone being able to get an ATI

[max_payne]

Originally posted by is0lized
64MB DDR NVIDIA GEFORCE3 TI200 WITH TV-OUT AGP 3D VIDEO CARD 159$

NVIDIA GEFORCE4 MX440 64MB DDR TV-OUT SPECIAL EDITION WITH 2 GAMES $135

That's a good price for a GeForce 4 AND 2 games!

[tandoc]

Originally posted by guitarnerd

A lot of mother boards require Nvidia cards, so don't count on everyone being able to get an ATI


what if is0lized can get it? this thread is about is0lized's computer right? not everyones..

[mods feel free to delete this post because it may be off topic]

[max_payne]

what do you mean isolized?

[guitarnerd]

Originally posted by andytandoc



what if is0lized can get it? this thread is about is0lized's computer right? not everyones..

[mods feel free to delete this post because it may be off topic]
I'm saying this for Is0lized's benifit, so he doesn't go spend a ton of money on a card that won't even work, and possibly ruin his motherboard, check before you buy!

[is0lized]

whoops i never saw it was a gf4, i heard those cards aint so good:p

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by guitarnerd

I'm saying this for Is0lized's benifit, so he doesn't go spend a ton of money on a card that won't even work, and possibly ruin his motherboard, check before you buy!

I don't think so.

The ATI Radeon 8500 works with most boards, and it won't ruin any boards. Maybe you should do some studying before you make blind assumptions.

[max_payne]

Originally posted by is0lized
whoops i never saw it was a gf4, i heard those cards aint so good:p
GeForce 4 Cards are the best ever!

(OFF TOPIC: I got My AVATAR! Like It?)

[is0lized]

Originally posted by max_payne

GeForce 4 Cards are the best ever!


the GF4 128MB is insane, most cards dont even use 32MB!


my 16MB card works fine on almsot everygame, just restarts my computer when i do too much

[max_payne]

Originally posted by is0lized


the GF4 128MB is insane, most cards dont even use 32MB!


my 16MB card works fine on almsot everygame, just restarts my computer when i do too much

Do you mean insane in a good way or crazy insane?:madchrist

[is0lized]

crazy insane :nervous:

[max_payne]

ok.......

[Giancarlo]

My ATI Radeon LE DDR serves me well... though I am gonna upgrade when my Birthday approaches. Top of the line ATI... no problem. Top of the line performance is all I want and a decent price.

[Toefur]

My 8mb S3 is kickin' some serious arse in there.

[Giancarlo]

BTW, ATI kicks --- with its 128MB card... a bit cheaper than the Geforce 128MB card and better performance...

http://www.ati.com/products/pc/radeon8500128/index.html

[guitarnerd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I don't think so.

The ATI Radeon 8500 works with most boards, and it won't ruin any boards. Maybe you should do some studying before you make blind assumptions.

I know what I said is 100% true, I have had three mother boards in the past few months and one of them was ruined because I didn't pay any attention and I put a radeon card in there. The mother board still works but the AGP slot acts funny now, one company that doesn't (or maybe does now) is ECS EliteGroup motherboards. I am not making any assumptions I am speaking from experience.

[stu]

Originally posted by guitarnerd

A lot of mother boards require Nvidia cards, so don't count on everyone being able to get an ATI um.. where did you hear this from? this sounds pretty absurd..

can you name a motherboard that will only work with Nvidia cards?

[is0lized]

you would have to be insane to use a 128MB card, since like i said almost all games dont even use more then 32MB

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by guitarnerd


I know what I said is 100% true,

Whatever.



I have had three mother boards in the past few months and one of them was ruined because I didn't pay any attention and I put a radeon card in there.

Incorrect. I built six computers all with Radeon cards. That is what I get for returning favors. I have built many computers with Radeon cards, and not one messed up.


[b]
The mother board still works but the AGP slot acts funny now, one company that doesn't (or maybe does now) is ECS EliteGroup motherboards. I am not making any assumptions I am speaking from experience.

I am also speaking from experience. The ATI kicks Geforce's ---.

[guitarnerd]

Giancarlo you are missing the point and being argumentative over over something stupid it is fact that radeon cards do not work in all motherboards, and some NEED nvidia cards.
And it is fact that it can cause problems because of different voltage settings etc. that is all fact so don't argue, I posted what I posted because I am trying to warn him of things that can possibly cause problems.f

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by guitarnerd
Giancarlo you are missing the point and being argumentative over over something stupid it is fact that radeon cards do not work in all motherboards, and some NEED nvidia cards.

And that is the fault of the manufacturers of the boards, not Radeon.

And I hear some boards don't work Nvidia.



And it is fact that it can cause problems because of different voltage settings etc. that is all fact so don't argue, I posted what I posted because I am trying to warn him of things that can possibly cause problems.f

That is not all fact and again is you trying to be smarter and better than other people while ignoring their opinions on the matter. You are not always right about everything. You assume that whenever talking to me and I find it very disrespectful.

Get a damn Radeon Card with a Gigabyte Board.

Boards that have no problems with nvidia:

ECS (My friend tested it, 8500)
Gigabyte
Soyo (Not recommend, because the board is bad itself)
Asus
Abit
Biostar
DFI
EPOX
FIC
Leadtek
MSI
Shuttle (Not recommend, the board is also bad)
Soltek
Tyan

I have tested Radeon cards on boards from each and every brand above because I build computers for people.

[stu]

Originally posted by guitarnerd
Giancarlo you are missing the point and being argumentative over over something stupid it is fact that radeon cards do not work in all motherboards, and some NEED nvidia cards.
And it is fact that it can cause problems because of different voltage settings etc. that is all fact so don't argue, I posted what I posted because I am trying to warn him of things that can possibly cause problems.f

the past few years have shown that the geforce has had more hardware compatibility issues than ATI, especially with regards to providing adequte power supply. but that is not to say that cards from either company are completely trouble free. ATI's main problem is that their drivers are a bit buggy.

I haven't seen a motherboard that strictly requires an Nvidia board to work with it unless it was already integrated in the motherboard. Motherboard manufacturers design their motherboards to comply with the AGP specification, and not for just one board or one company. That way, there's some room for customization for PC vendors.

In fact, I've heard that the new Geforce 4 has some problems even fitting into certain motherboards.

[is0lized]

Originally posted by stu
In fact, I've heard that the new Geforce 4 has some problems even fitting into certain motherboards.

ROTFLMAO, god i wonder who is going to take the fall for that

[stu]

Originally posted by is0lized


ROTFLMAO, god i wonder who is going to take the fall for that it's true:

http://www.hardocp.com/articles/visiontek/epoxvtti4600.html

[is0lized]

Originally posted by stu
it's true:


i know, i wasnt doubting it, ill read over it later, i took a look at the pictures, so i get the idea... at first i thought you meant it wouldnt fit in the AGP slot

[Bruce]

The GeForce4 Ti4600 beats the ATI Radeon 8500 hands down. I'm not saying that ATI cards aren't any good, but you can clearly see by any benchmarks that the Ti4600 easily beats the 8500 from ATI.

[is0lized]

everyone tells me the TI are good, and mx's are crap... so if they aint, then everyone is pretty much wrong

[Bruce]

Originally posted by is0lized
the TI are good, and mx's are crap... Exactly.

The Geforce3 Ti200 would actually outperform a Geforce4 MX440.

[is0lized]

why is there such a diffrence?

[Bruce]

The MX series has a lower core speed along with lower memory speeds. They can't overclock as much as the Ti series either.

[is0lized]

you can over clock a gfx card?


i mean, wouldnt a MX work if someone got it? i mean its not horible...


if i was to get the card i would spend the extra 20-30$ for a better card if needed

[Bruce]

Originally posted by is0lized
you can over clock a gfx card?Yes you can.

i mean, wouldnt a MX work if someone got it? i mean its not horible...Sure MX cards work. Hell, an MX440 is 100 times better than what I have now. The Ti200 would just give you better performance. I don't know how big of a deal it would make to you, but you'd probably get an extra 30 or so FPS with the Ti200 in most games.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by stu


the past few years have shown that the geforce has had more hardware compatibility issues than ATI, especially with regards to providing adequte power supply. but that is not to say that cards from either company are completely trouble free. ATI's main problem is that their drivers are a bit buggy.

I haven't seen a motherboard that strictly requires an Nvidia board to work with it unless it was already integrated in the motherboard. Motherboard manufacturers design their motherboards to comply with the AGP specification, and not for just one board or one company. That way, there's some room for customization for PC vendors.

In fact, I've heard that the new Geforce 4 has some problems even fitting into certain motherboards.

Hey, Stu come give me a hug.

J/K

Thanks for the backup... I thought I was all alone with being an Pro-ATI Person.


The GeForce4 Ti4600 beats the ATI Radeon 8500 hands down. I'm not saying that ATI cards aren't any good, but you can clearly see by any benchmarks that the Ti4600 easily beats the 8500 from ATI.

I would like to see these benchmarks. :rolleyes:

ATI is releasing a new card to kick Geforce's ---... and gain market.

If you want effective price and performance go with the ATI Radeon 8500. If you got money in your pocket, and want better performance go with the new All-in-wonder 8500DV ($299). It beats the Geforce4 Ti4600.

[is0lized]

$300 for a card?! :whatthe:


same for geforce, insane

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by is0lized
$300 for a card?! :whatthe:


same for geforce, insane

I will spend $90 Tops on a card. ;)

[is0lized]

is that USD or Pesos?

and i would mabey spend 150$ on it if its work it...


$400 USD for geforce4 128MB, way too price, next card will be 256, since they double the card mem each time

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by is0lized
is that USD or Pesos?

and i would mabey spend 150$ on it if its work it...


$400 USD for geforce4 128MB, way too price, next card will be 256, since they double the card mem each time

Dollars. Pesos aren't worth anything anymore.

I know once you get the latest, it is outdated. It pisses me off. ;)

[is0lized]

one you walk out of the pc store with top of the line pc its outdated...



least geforce and ATI are thinking about the future, man will game makers be able to do alot with 128MB when most games use arround 32, wooha!

[Giancarlo]

Yeah, but it makes me feel so outdated when I find out something I ordered and once I receive it is outdated.

[is0lized]

does shiiping really take THAT long?

[stu]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Thanks for the backup... I thought I was all alone with being an Pro-ATI Person.
Well.. I'm not really pro-ATI or pro-Nvidia.. I buy whatever card matches my needs.

I have had cards from both companies, and they both make great cards. From my experience, I find that ATI cards to have better color quality. I like my games to look good with all the eye candy effects turned on. My Radeon 32MB DDR is pretty fast enough for my gaming needs, so I don't really need a new GF4 Ti, or Radeon 8500.. It'll be a while till I upgrade again.

Right now, Nvidia is the performance leader with the GF4. That's because the GF4 was recently released. The Radeon 8500 was meant to compete with the GF3. ATI hasn't released their card to match the GF4, but they'll have something coming out soon.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by is0lized
does shiiping really take THAT long?

Nope... but companies releasing new stuff takes only a short while.

[is0lized]

my 16MB card works pretty much fine like i said, but its the damn restarts that pisses me off when it cant handle what im doing...

im thinking about getting a 64MB card, that will last me awhile like i said in every other post about how much games use

[Giancarlo]

Even a 32MB card will do for any games.

[is0lized]

yeah i know a 32MB will do fine, but a 64MB will let me grow, people that have a 128MB card have 200 feet of leg room

[Giancarlo]

I am thinking about upgrading to a Radeon 8500, once ATI releases their new card... because it will be cheap then.

[is0lized]

how much is the 8500 price and memory wise?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by is0lized
how much is the 8500 price and memory wise?

Newegg sells it at $125 (OEM) with 64MB of DDR Ram.

[is0lized]

isnt it like the voodoo card drive wise? you need to get hacked drivers? i mean, whats wrong with the drivers now?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by is0lized
isnt it like the voodoo card drive wise? you need to get hacked drivers? i mean, whats wrong with the drivers now?

No.

You have to throw away the CD, and install the drivers from the Windows Update page.

[is0lized]

why dont the cd drivers work?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by is0lized
why dont the cd drivers work?

They are outdated. I don't even bother installing CD Drivers for anything I am installing besides my Lexmark X73 and Internet. I just get the internet set up and download the drivers from the Microsoft update page.

[is0lized]

i use the cd drivers, then do windows update and check the driver page...


if its a new card, yet the drivers are ld, WTF?

and what does the driver do wrong? Also what game syou play and you happy with how it does

[Giancarlo]

Well the CD drivers are just old and don't support new things.

I don't even bother. I get my internet set up, and leave everything uninstalled then download the drivers.

[is0lized]

i often format, so drivers can be a pain sometimes

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by is0lized
i often format, so drivers can be a pain sometimes

Well install only the internet, and download the drivers from the update page.

[is0lized]

that sounds like a good idea, i dont have a cd for my current card, so i download off the net anyways...

i still have the default 16MB tntPro card

[Bruce]

I still have onboard graphics... When I get my new PC I'm going all out...

[Giancarlo]

Good idea... well the Geforce on the NForce boards is decent for onboard graphics.