Navy jet crashes during airshow

[Moonman]

A LOW-flying F-4 warplane crashed today during an air show at the Point Mugu Naval Air Weapons station, killing its two crew members, Navy officials said.
Eyewitnesses said one of the crew members ejected from the jet as it flew less than 60 metres above the ground before crashing.

The jet burst into flames when it hit the ground on the west side of the base, said spokesman Vance Vasquez.

more... (http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,4174025%255E401,00.html)

[shizzle]

The guy that ejected died too. He ejected right into the fireball and died as well.

[Giancarlo]

An F-4? It is an old aircraft. It was used since Vietnam.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
An F-4? It is an old aircraft. It was used since Vietnam.

I think they meant F-14 if it exists. :confused:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Daniel


I think they meant F-14 if it exists. :confused:

No it says F-4 Phantom II. Yes that aircraft is old. I guess they were using it for different purposes so they called it a QF-4.

The F-14 does exist, it is used on carriers.

[Robert]

Every airshow leads to a death.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Robert
Ever airshow leads to a death.

What? :confused:

No.

[shizzle]

Does it matter what kind of plane it was?? 2 people die and all Gian can say is that the F-4 is an old plane???

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ragzzz
Does it matter what kind of plane it was?? 2 people die and all Gian can say is that the F-4 is an old plane???

The fact is they should be out of service because they are accident prone. And all I am saying is those deaths were a result of aged military equipiment.

Ragzzz with I do respect you are dead wrong about that. You better not assume anymore when it comes to statements from me in the matter where people died. That I take at a great disrespect. You are almost spitting in my face.

And that I won't take.

[Rick]

For all intents and purposes, the McDonnell F-4 Phantom II has been out of active service with the US armed forces since 1992. The US Navy and Air Force both have some highly modified F-4 aircraft which normally fly unmanned as target drones but are still capable of flying manned for various purposes.
They do not fly in the normal military roles with the US, but some other countries still use them and there are also a few in civilian operation for test purposes... By the way, the F-4 is nowhere near as old as the currently active B-52 and KC-135 fleet

[Giancarlo]

For all intents and purposes, the McDonnell F-4 Phantom II has been out of active service with the US armed forces since 1992.

Not exactly. They had 12. According to these stats taken in 1997.

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~bjordan/airforce25.htm


By the way, the F-4 is nowhere near as old as the currently active B-52 and KC-135 fleet

True. But the B-52 and KC-135 are renewed (upgraded) more often while the F-4s are not.

[Rick]

Wright Patterson FTC carries a few on their roles as test beds but as I said... For all intents and purposes, there are no F-4 aircraft still in active service with the US armed forces. The F-4F is a modified E model flown by the German Air Force but carried on the US Roles for political reasons and operated from Holloman AFB, and ALL operating aircraft are maintained rigorously with rigid inspection and overhaul schedules... The F-4, even the target drones, included.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Rick
Wright Patterson FTC carries a few on their roles as test beds but as I said... For all intents and purposes, there are no F-4 aircraft still in active service with the US armed forces.

Umm the statistics show it as being designated as an interceptor for 1997.

Wait... wait... newer stats say you are partily right. But they were taken out of active service in 1997, not 1992.



The F-4F is a modified E model flown by the German Air Force but carried on the US Roles for political reasons and operated from Holloman AFB, and ALL operating aircraft are maintained rigorously with rigid inspection and overhaul schedules... The F-4, even the target drones, included.

I was not talking about the German Air Force. The American Air Force has fallen back on repairs and upgrades for older aircraft as I was pointing out.

[Rick]

Heheh... I KNOW they are out of active service, and the stat page you mentioned called out F-4E/F models, so I knew which ones they were talking about.... The German ones.
And yes, the F-4 is no longer sent to Ogden or Cherry Point for IRAN, but they are still carefully maintained.

[stu]

wow.. Rick really knows his stuff... :classic2:

[Giancarlo]

Yeah a bit....

[Rick]

Considering what I do for a living, I have to know a bit. :D

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Rick
And yes, the F-4 is no longer sent to Ogden or Cherry Point for IRAN, but they are still carefully maintained.

Aircraft no matter how many times they are upgraded reach their last serviceability years.

[Rick]

By the way, in case you're interested...
http://www.na.baesystems.com/AeroSpace/ASflightSystems.htm

[Toefur]

Speaking of old outdated aircraft; I think it's about time Australia ditched it's F-111's. :biggrin2:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Toefur
Speaking of old outdated aircraft; I think it's about time Australia ditched it's F-111's. :biggrin2:

F-111s weren't bad for their time. But the F-111s now are not any good.

Well look on the bright side at least you got 71 F-18 Hornets.

[trenzterra]

Anyway aren't we going a little :topic: ?

Let's get back to topic...

Its quite sad that something went wrong... It seems that lately all old or restored planes have problems.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hrc
Anyway aren't we going a little :topic: ?

Not at all.



Its quite sad that something went wrong... It seems that lately all old or restored planes have problems.

Well airplanes do have problems. Older WWII ones that are restored have a lot of problems. A lot of people get injured trying to fly restored WWII planes because something goes severely wrong.

But the B-52 series, which was started in the mid 1950s, surprisingly has few to little problems. The B-52 is still used in the US Airforce today. It was responsible for carpet bombing the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.