Le Pen goes on to face Chirac in French Elections

[shizzle]

This is horrible. Not only is this guy a bigot and anti-semite, he wants to send all new immigrants back to their home countries. How the hell did he win? God help chirac win the elections.
The full report (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020421/ap_on_re_eu/france_election)

[Peo]

Horrible is the correct word yes. I guess some people in France regret not going to the polls today or regret voting for some of the less popular candidates as everybody thought the two main candidates had already been picked...

Le Pen didn't win by the way and it's only exit polls so far, not actual vote counts. (but the result will be the same)

[Giancarlo]

I hope Chirac wins this. Though I utterly despise Jospin, Le Pen is much worse.

[Giancarlo]

This is stunning... Europe is taking a shift to the right... Italy, Spain, Russia and now France.

[Peo]

Denmark and Norway aswell. And no doubt soon Germany and the Netherlands. But not Sweden.

The stunning thing in my opinion is that the racist far right are getting so many votes in Europe.

[Giancarlo]

I support Le Pen, Berlusconi, and Aznar... and I don't consider them racist. Le Pen repeatably denies that he is, and is just against illegal immigration but is not against the immigrants themselves. Aznar's government (Spain) kicked out over 100,000 illegals from Ecuador and Morocco who lacked proper documentation. Now why can't France do the same?

[Peo]

You just said Le Pen is much worse than Jospin? Which he no doubt is.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Aznar's government (Spain) kicked out over 100,000 illegals from Ecuador and Morocco who lacked proper documentation.
Are you referring to illegal immigrants?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Peo
You just said Le Pen is much worse than Jospin? Which he no doubt is.

That is what I thought before I did a little research on him. Chirac is still good, but Le Pen is on my prefered list.


Originally posted by Jan

Are you referring to illegal immigrants?

Yes, I am.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Yes, I am.
Kinda ironic how the world perceives Australia's stance on illegal immigrants.

<Off topic I know.>

[Mika]

I'm not absolutely worried about this Europe's turn to the right (and sometimes to the extreme right). I think that is a cycle that has to be concluded. Many social & economical problems and many not innovative socialistic (or left) governments created all this. I believe that Europe has the correct mechanisms to react to movement towards extreme right! In the next 3-4 years I think that will see again a good balance in Europe! Of course in the mean time some people will suffer (like immigrants), I know, but there will be for sure a strong reaction by all the moderated minds of Europe! So the governments will not be able to apply some ideas (specially like the ideas of Le Pen) even if they want to. There will be a strong reaction by the european people! I'm sure of that!

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

Kinda ironic how the world perceives Australia's stance on illegal immigrants.

<Off topic I know.>

I haven't been following Australia's illegal immigrant problem lately...

Mika: That was very insightful. Le Pen may have to moderate some if he gets into office.

[murat]

germany will never be rascism again
europe becomes right ? kewl
we dont need terrorists here
---- amnesty international

[shizzle]

Le pen isnt racist? What about his "The holocaust was just a blip of history. Forget it and move on" speech.

[Peo]

Giancarlo has done extensive research for almost 30 seconds about this guy, so I'm sure Le Pen's no racist. </sarcasm>

[nitroboy]

Originally posted by Ragzzz
Le pen isnt racist? What about his "The holocaust was just a blip of history. Forget it and move on" speech.
yes he is, but another of his main points is against criminality
this is nowadays a big problem, even in belgium...

[cheatpark]

I heard some people voted for le pen to show that something needed to be done about crime but in the final vote they said that they wouldn't vote for le pen because of some of his views. I can't see how le pen could win the election and if he did then there would definately be protests.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Peo
Giancarlo has done extensive research for almost 30 seconds about this guy, so I'm sure Le Pen's no racist. </sarcasm>

Don't spat at me. Even if it is cynical. I have done more than 30 seconds of research.


Le pen isnt racist? What about his "The holocaust was just a blip of history. Forget it and move on" speech.

He retracted that. Other than that, I agree with his economic and immigration policies. They are similar to that of Berlusconi's and Aznar's. If the population shrinks in these countries, the right wing will have a major comeback in where it previously was not.

Oh, I don't think Le Pen can win this. If he does it will better for France and the world as a whole, like with Berlusconi, but Chirac is my expected guess for the next French President.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
He retracted that.
In my opinion thats a pathetic attempt to win votes.

[shizzle]

He is a raving anti-semite. Everyone knows it. He wants to send all immigrants that came in the past year back to their homelands.

[meow]

Jesus Christ GC. The man isn't only an anti-semite his openly racist and convicted for assault - a criminal GC!

I was just wathing people protesting on the streets all over France. What's most scary is that this is the result of a democratic process. We have frightening times before us. :(

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ragzzz
He is a raving anti-semite. Everyone knows it. He wants to send all immigrants that came in the past year back to their homelands.

What about the Spanish Government deporting 100,000 immigrants who lacked documentation? And that makes them anti-semite?? :confused: You got your facts mixed up.


Jesus Christ GC. The man isn't only an anti-semite his openly racist and convicted for assault - a criminal GC!

Correction: Indicted.

And he is a hell lot better than that socialist pig dog Jospin.

[meow]

No, you have your facts (for ever) mixed up. Spain has nothing to do with this subject.

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Mr Le Pen was convicted in April 1998 for assaulting Socialist candidate Annette Peulvast-Bergeal during campaigning for national elections the year before.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_987000/987419.stm
(or just about any other news site in the world...)

[Peo]

Giancarlo, Le Pen is convicted for that statement about the holocaust and he is also convicted for assault on a politician, Anette Peulvast in 98.

[cheatpark]

Meow is right. Giancarlo, you are trying to bring other subjects into the argument to try and make us agree with you. I've seen this happen many times. That is not how a proper debate works if I am right. :rolleyes:



I hope Chirac wins this. Though I utterly despise Jospin, Le Pen is much worse.

And then later in the thread you change your opinion...


I support Le Pen, Berlusconi, and Aznar... and I don't consider them racist. Le Pen repeatably denies that he is, and is just against illegal immigration but is not against the immigrants themselves. Aznar's government (Spain) kicked out over 100,000 illegals from Ecuador and Morocco who lacked proper documentation. Now why can't France do the same?

You repeated your point about the spannish government. People have already read it once. Why make them read it twice? :confused2

[syd]

What they're trying to say in polite terms:

Shut the fukk up about Spain already! Nobody cares about that country!

THANK YOU!

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark
Meow is right. Giancarlo, you are trying to bring other subjects into the argument to try and make us agree with you. I've seen this happen many times. That is not how a proper debate works if I am right. :rolleyes:

Well that is how my debate style works.


And then later in the thread you change your opinion...

When it comes to politics: NO. NO, and NO! Absolutely not. I do not change my opinion on politics on the influence from others. My views may shift over time, gradually but never in a thread. But when it comes to somebody I don't even know, I can reconsider it. And who the ---- cares if I change my mind about somebody? I am not changing my beliefs... :rolleyes:



You repeated your point about the spannish government. People have already read it once. Why make them read it twice? :confused2

Deporting Illegal immigrants is proper.


Shut the fukk up about Spain already! Nobody cares about that country!

THANK YOU!

Then stay the ---- out of political threads. I was making a point with illegal immigrants. Nobody cares about you and your beliefs! BLAH! I am sick and damn tired of your ignorant foolishness.

[meow]

Just to remind you what this thread's topic is and clarify that it's not "Giancarlo".

Originally posted by Ragzzz
This is horrible. Not only is this guy a bigot and anti-semite, he wants to send all new immigrants back to their home countries. How the hell did he win? God help chirac win the elections.
The full report (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020421/ap_on_re_eu/france_election)

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by meow
Just to remind you what this thread's topic is and clarify that it's not "Giancarlo".


I was questioned and I answered, your useless spamming does nothing to help the situation.

[syd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Then stay the ---- out of political threads. I was making a point with illegal immigrants. Nobody cares about you and your beliefs! BLAH! I am sick and damn tired of your ignorant foolishness.

Do you really think ANYONE here cares about ANYONE's beliefs in general? No... not really. We don't sit at home, and think "Well, GC is a republican - let's ponder this today, shall we? Wow, so he likes Regean? NEATO!". Nobody cares about anyone's beliefs (except maybe you).

I can come into political threads if I want. I don't bother setting a debate in them because I know the odds are 1:1 that it will just turn into a republican debate about Spain (as all political threads involving you do) and I find that boring.

I'm not ignorant... in fact, when it comes to politics and history, I'm actually quite smart (1st in History class, thankyaverymuch), I just don't find this place a useful forum to discuss anything political, because of you.

If you weren't involved, and turning every political thread into complete sh!te, I'd love to debate politics/history here.

But for now? Nah...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by syd


Do you really think ANYONE here cares about ANYONE's beliefs in general? No... not really. We don't sit at home, and think "Well, GC is a republican - let's ponder this today, shall we? Wow, so he likes Regean? NEATO!". Nobody cares about anyone's beliefs (except maybe you).

I didn't say any of that. I was stating why I liked Le Pen better than Jospin.



I can come into political threads if I want. I don't bother setting a debate in them because I know the odds are 1:1 that it will just turn into a republican debate about Spain (as all political threads involving you do) and I find that boring.

No. I was providing Spain as an example why illegal immigration must be cut down.



I'm not ignorant... in fact, when it comes to politics and history, I'm actually quite smart (1st in History class, thankyaverymuch), I just don't find this place a useful forum to discuss anything political, because of you.

Because of me? Incorrect. I am the most political person you could possibly know. And I take economics btw.



If you weren't involved, and turning every political thread into complete sh!te, I'd love to debate politics/history here.

If you weren't involved, and turning every political thread into complete horsesh*t, I'd love to debate politics/history here.

I just repeated what you said above, because I think you are a nuisance to these forums. I try to express my opinion and provide some examples to support it, and you jump all over me. Unacceptable. And you know politics? Bah!

[shizzle]

Thanks syd. Very true

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ragzzz
Thanks syd. Very true

I am afraid not.

[shizzle]

Gian... most people here say you turn everything into something about you and spain or something to that effect. Everyone agrees. Get that through your head.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ragzzz
Gian... most people here say you turn everything into something about you and spain or something to that effect. Everyone agrees. Get that through your head.

No I don't.

[shizzle]

...see what I mean?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Ragzzz
...see what I mean?

No.

[meow]

Originally posted by Ragzzz
...see what I mean?
Yes.

[syd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

I just repeated what you said above, because I think you are a nuisance to these forums. I try to express my opinion and provide some examples to support it, and you jump all over me. Unacceptable. And you know politics? Bah!

How would you know if I knew politics or not? Just because I don't bother debating (if it were even possible to actually "debate" ) with you... doesn't prove whether or not I know anything. For all you know, I could know nothing. Then again, I could know a million times more than you. You don't know, and I couldn't care less to prove it or not.

If I am such a nuisance to these forums... then why don't you rally up all the members to ask Peo to ban me?? And I will do the same for you. THEN, we will see, who is the true nuisance on the board.

Oh wait... everyone's already asked Peo to ban you. Nevermind.

[Giancarlo]

I am not going to continue with this crap "I know more than you" anymore... this is finished with.

[syd]

I never said I know more than you. I said I might, or I might not, but I don't care to prove otherwise.

Am I the only one who notices the format of every thread on FWS.net?!?

Posts 1-10: Normal talking
Posts 11-30: Giancarlo arguing with somebody over anything...
Posts 31-34: More normal talking
Post 35: GC "is finished with the thread, I will no longer continue with this debate because I am proven a jerkoff!"
Posts 36-39: Normal talking
Posts 40-85: GC comes back YET AGAIN to argue.

And there you have it folks!!

PS - How come it's wrong for people to say they know more than you, but you can say that to them?! HYPOCRITE. HYPOCRITE. Oh lordy, you are such a hypocrite. LOL!!!:eek:

[Giancarlo]

You are the hypocrite syd. Plain and simple.

[syd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I am not going to continue with this crap "I know more than you" anymore... this is finished with.

THEN he posts:


Originally posted by Giancarlo
You are the hypocrite syd. Plain and simple.

Hypocrisy at it's best.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by syd




Hypocrisy at it's best.

Was that hypocracy?

I was just saying you were a hypocrite, I didn't say I knew more than you or the other way around.

[Giancarlo]

Oh goodness... this is just pathetic... ----ing pathetic. Talk to you tomorrow... I gotta go to sleep.

[syd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Was that hypocracy?

I was just saying you were a hypocrite, I didn't say I knew more than you or the other way around.

Go to bed little one. Re-read the quotes. Then, you will find the error in your ways.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by syd


Go to bed little one. Re-read the quotes. Then, you will find the error in your ways.

No you are wrong...

[shizzle]

Shut up and admit your wrongs!!!!!!!

[Jan]

The French are not happy! (http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,4187084%255E1702,00.html) :eek:

[meow]

Alas 17% of them are.
Mixed feelings (http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0204/22/NYHETER-22s06-bautalessen-58_368.jpg) (check her nails!)

[Jan]

Originally posted by meow
(check her nails!)
Ewwwwwwwwwwwww :confused2

Let's hope that the 30% who chose not to vote aren't protesting :confused2

Thirty per cent of voters chose to enjoy Sunday's beautiful weather rather than cast a ballot. Le Pen improved on his 1995 proportion of the vote by just 2 percentage points.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Well that is how my debate style works.

Thats not even a debate style. Its a pathetic attempt to stop yourself from looking stupid.


When it comes to politics: NO. NO, and NO! Absolutely not. I do not change my opinion on politics on the influence from others. My views may shift over time, gradually but never in a thread. But when it comes to somebody I don't even know, I can reconsider it. And who the ---- cares if I change my mind about somebody? I am not changing my beliefs... :rolleyes:

I have provided evidence you have changed your mind. Nobody else has disagreed with me on this point. You say you want to be a politician. Would you say ---- to everyone in politics?


Deporting Illegal immigrants is proper.

But repeating the point isn't.


Then stay the ---- out of political threads. I was making a point with illegal immigrants. Nobody cares about you and your beliefs! BLAH! I am sick and damn tired of your ignorant foolishness.
I don't see anyone being ignorant around here apart from you.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark

Thats not even a debate style. Its a pathetic attempt to stop yourself from looking stupid.

Make myself look stupid? Even if I know more about this world than people here?



I have provided evidence you have changed your mind. Nobody else has disagreed with me on this point. You say you want to be a politician. Would you say ---- to everyone in politics?

Bush called a press member an grade A ------- during his campagin so... what?

You have provided no evidence besides arbitrary claims.



I don't see anyone being ignorant around here apart from you.

I am ignorant? Really? Ignorance comes with stupidty, and that is an inherent factor of many people here.

[meow]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Make myself look stupid? Even if I know more about this world than people here?

ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO
OMFG!

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by meow

ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO
OMFG!

What is so wrong about a true statement?

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by meow

ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO
OMFG!
Yeah, I agree.

Orginally posted by Giancarlo
What is so wrong about a true statement?

Let me say this in a simple way. You keep trying to act like you know so much more than other people on this board. I'm not the only one has said it and thats why meow found it funny.

[nitroboy]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Make myself look stupid? Even if I know more about this world than people here?
:confused:
you don't make yourself look stupid, but you are exaggerating
you always want to be right, even when you wrote 2 contradicting posts... (look for the post cheatpark noticed it)
you can't be both for le pen and chirac, they have both different political views

about le pen, yes he is a bit racist, but his most important concern is criminality

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by NITROboy

:confused:
you don't make yourself look stupid, but you are exaggerating
you always want to be right, even when you wrote 2 contradicting posts... (look for the post cheatpark noticed it)
you can't be both for le pen and chirac, they have both different political views

about le pen, yes he is a bit racist, but his most important concern is criminality

Yes I know that sounds outrageous but I find myself aligned to a lot of what he says. I am certainly not racist, but his economic and immigration policies yes. And I hate the EU, I don't even know why Spain joined.

Chirac is a conservative and I got no problem with him besides the corruption scandals. I don't necessarily agree with some of his party lines but if he gets elected no problem.

I didn't write any contradicting posts... I just had a change on opinon on a particular person. No harm in that? Or is it illegal to do that in this forum?