It's a sad world we live in

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http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/020422/w0422130.html

Talk about a new low.

[Jan]

That is the lowest of low :mad: :cry2:

[guitarnerd]

Poor kid :crysad: :crysad: :crysad:

[meow]

On April 11, a 12-year-old boy travelling from Nigeria was caught with 87 condoms filled with heroin in his stomach at Kennedy airport.
:eek:
I knew they swallow condoms but 87!?!? :eek:

[nitroboy]

about that boy with the 87 condoms, it has been in the paper here, I couldn't believe it myself
another bad view of our world

[xsnetwork]

The lows people go to get drugs... whoever came up with the idea must be pretty sick!

[cheatpark]

What I find most shocking are that the children who do it are probably not even aware of the consequences.

[guitarnerd]

I don't think the Kid, unless they knew what they were doing, should be the one to suffer the consequences. Why go through such extremes to get drugs, I would think it would be easier just to go buy them somewhere locally. But I wouldn't know :confused2

[Giancarlo]

Sadly enough I saw an article on my news ticker software that a five year old got caught smuggling heroin.

[trenzterra]

Even you paid me few thrillion dollars to do it, I won't.

[Todd]

Now if only drug users would realize where the drugs have been. Swallowing 87 condoms full of drugs? That is just sick, I assume that would be a quick death if one broke as well.

Nothing these people do will surprise me any more. Makes you wonder who these kids are though, were they purchased as slave labor or were their parents the ones putting them up to it? Absolutely horrible either way...

Then you get the tough call, do you let the kid stay in the USA and in a way reward their actions or do you send them back to probably no one where they will have a horrible life? You start keeping them and their parents/captures will say it's their way in to the USA even if they get caught.

[Giancarlo]

An idea is to send these kids to counseling and give them a better life, at least a decent one. Maybe adoption.

I find this is downright sick, and I feel the governments of these countries where these kids are from must do something about it. I also feel to end this problem completely, a plan like the marshall programmes must be implaced for these impoverished countries.

There is a new African Union to be formed so maybe something can be agreed upon and a new spending program can start to maybe build infrastructure, educational facilities and increase investments.

Something like that should be started for the impoverished countries throughout Latin America too... there already is but it should be strengthened to increase the standard of living.

And I am hoping ultra-radical right-wing Colombian Presidental Candidate Uribe will come to power in Colombia to solve these problems. He will not solve the problems in the most attractive way but the only way and that is: increasing the military by 120,000 men and starting an all out war with the Guerrillas.

[syd]

In a dream world people, in a dream world...

Addicts don't care where the drugs are from. They don't care if someone had to die for them to get their fix. And drug dealers care more about money than the lives of children. They always have, and they always will. I thought that was common sense.

You can't stop all the child drug-smuggling. Children have been victims of human neglect and addiction since the beginning of time and it will never stop. Some of it can be, but for every child "counseled" or adopted, there are 10,000 more being abused and mistreated.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by syd
In a dream world people, in a dream world...

So you are saying these countries that produce drugs, the root of the problems, should not get economic assistance? :rolleyes:



Addicts don't care where the drugs are from. They don't care if someone had to die for them to get their fix. And drug dealers care more about money than the lives of children. They always have, and they always will. I thought that was common sense.

Then the Armed Forces of these countries should crack down like what Colombia is doing. Hey at least that will reduce supply.



You can't stop all the child drug-smuggling. Children have been victims of human neglect and addiction since the beginning of time and it will never stop.

No kidding, nor did I claim it could be.



Some of it can be, but for every child "counseled" or adopted, there are 10,000 more being abused and mistreated.

Did I say otherwise?

[syd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


So you are saying these countries that produce drugs, the root of the problems, should not get economic assistance? :rolleyes:


So if we give Nigeria an extra $5 million in aid, the smugglers will quit their jobs and say, "Well, now I can be a janitor. I will quit the cocaine smuggling!". Yep.

And I don'tt care if you say otherwise or not, infact, I don't care what you say at all!, I did not direct that statement towards you.

[guitarnerd]

There was some story about a kid who was playing in a McDonald's play place in all the balls, he was about 5 years old maybe younger, and when he came out he kept saying his "bottom" hurt. About an hour later he was still complaining and his mom looked at it. It was all brused and purple but she thought he must of fell hard, later on that kid died of a drug overdose, from a broken heroin needle that he had managed to get stuck in him from the play place.

I think if a needle can kill a kid, a full condom of the stuff, can kill a few full grown men.

[meow]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
So you are saying these countries that produce drugs, the root of the problems, should not get economic assistance? :rolleyes:

The root of the problem? That would rather be the rich countries whose people to a large extent use drugs and can pay for them.

Heard of the laws about supply and demand? As long as some can pay and pay a lot some one else will produce. Guess it's the poor countries fault that some people from the rich countries are "forced" to buy organs like kidneys, eyes and hearts that are taken out of the bodies of living, healthy humans too?

[Dean]

Maybe they should just make herrion legal

[guitarnerd]

Originally posted by Viper[X]
Maybe they should just make herrion legal
That is not a solution, maybe they should enforce greater penalties for stuff like this.

[Webdude]

Our prisons are full. Drug dealers should get the death penalty on first offense. They do it because they arent afraid of jail or prison time. Oh yeah, meals free, no bills to pay, video games, computers, cable TV. Prison is nice. If they make you work too much, nowadays you can scream cruel and unusual punishment as well as complain about your rights.

I know a few people who were in state pens. They say it's almost better in there. You get everything but freedom.. Personally I think everyone who is against the death penaly should have to flip the bill for taking care of all the inmates. Why should I have to pay taxes to provide a good life to child molestors, murderers, and drug dealers?? ...and they wonder why our prisons are full...

[Giancarlo]

Even though I hate the People's Republic of China's Government... they execute people with a shot in the back of the head who are found to drug-smugglers. That is an effective way to reduce the problem and the facts show drug use and transportation has been down in the PRC.

Or I say build a Turkish Prision in the US.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by meow

Heard of the laws about supply and demand? As long as some can pay and pay a lot some one else will produce. Guess it's the poor countries fault that some people from the rich countries are "forced" to buy organs like kidneys, eyes and hearts that are taken out of the bodies of living, healthy humans too?

You are twisting the laws of supply and demand into your own views. It doesn't work that way meow. And I never brought up organ donations ever! So don't try to twist my words.

[meow]

No, I brought it up as a comparison. That's exactly how it works, always has and always will. As long as someone wants it and is willing to pay it will be produced.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by meow
No, I brought it up as a comparison. That's exactly how it works, always has and always will. As long as someone wants it and is willing to pay it will be produced.

No that is incorrect. You don't bring up supply shocks. If the US goes after the supply and cause severe supply shocks the people who demand it will no longer be abled to pay for it. Simple as that. And I am the future to be economics major around here.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
And I am the future to be economics major around here.
A lot could happen in the world before you get to that stage.

[meow]

Then someone else will. It's bought from where it can be produced cheapest. All you would notice would be a raise in prices.
:yawn:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

A lot could happen in the world before you get to that stage.

A lot of what I will follow in the mean time.


Then someone else will. It's bought from where it can be produced cheapest. All you would notice would be a raise in prices.

What the hell do you mean someone else will?

You mean a massive rise in prices so people can't afford it.

And it is a fact that the Chinese have experienced a rapid decline in the drug trade and use because of effective measures including the death penalty. Yes I support the death penalty for drug traffikers.

There are several places where the US is focusing on:

Afghanistan (Was the largest Opium producer, now has started to shift to food production despite droughts)
Colombia (Increased military aid and Alvaro Uribe coming to power will cause massive supply shocks. Uribe wants to increase the Military to 270,000 professionals total from 150,000.)
Peru (Drug trade is increasing, but will get the US's attention. The Peruvian Military is well armed and trained, and will start to crack down again)
Burma (Not as much as other places, but pressure has been placed on the military government to use its massive military force to crack down on the drug trade. It has before and drug production is down massively)
Mexico (The Mexican Police have conducted major crackdowns and have received new assault rifles, better pay and 400 new police cars however some police are very corrupt and are on the pay roll. Fox has pledged zero tolerance towards drugs and may use the powerful military)

Drug prices may increase anywhere from 10,000-40,000% in the upcoming years based on my predictions. The job for drug dealers will get more dangerous because of better law enforcement against drug traffikers.

Also Colombia is the worst... here is my evidence:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/04/24/us.colombia/index.html


The United States currently provides military assistance to Colombia in its war on drugs. Ninety percent of the cocaine and 70 percent of heroin sold on U.S. streets comes from Colombia, according to the U.S. government. Colombian rebel groups such as FARC use the drug funds to fuel their war against the government.

Well that just proves my point entirely.

[meow]

Originally posted by Jan

A lot could happen in the world before you get to that stage.
I think he is actually telling us that he is a wannabe, Jan. :)

[bigperm]

These kind of threads make me glad I decided to not argue with GC anymore. It would just piss me off. Because he is always right.

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Bigperm! where ya been?

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by bigperm
Because he is always right.
Not always. I would usually only argue with someone if I think they are wrong. If I thought they were right then I wouldn't argue with them. Also these types of political discussions can't always have a right and bad side. Most of the time they are based upon peoples opinions and thats why people argue with each other.

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Originally posted by cheatpark

Not always. I would usually only argue with someone if I think they are wrong. If I thought they were right then I wouldn't argue with them. Also these types of political discussions can't always have a right and bad side. Most of the time they are based upon peoples opinions and thats why people argue with each other.

he was kinda...joking, cheatpark...

[Toefur]

I really shouldn't post in this thread; especially considering i'm supposedly gone.

I just have to get something off my chest, though.

Opium was illegal under the Taleban... and we all know how they treated the people.

Under the new 'rulers' of Afghanistan; Opium production has in fact gone up a considerable amount.

And to add my prediction to the fire... there's not a chance drug prices are going to go skyrocketing. Lots of people will still find the means to produce plenty; because of the stupid westerners (Particularly americans and australians) that are all addicted to it all.

[Giancarlo]

Toefur, the Afghan government is going to give farmers payments. Unfornately the farmers have no other way in making money. There is a severe drought so I can't blame them. And the government is going to start a crackdown on drug production. Maybe in mostly peaceful methods but they said they could turn to force.

The Colombian Army is very well trained right now and the rise of Presidental Candidate Uribe could trigger a very high price surge in heroin and cocaine prices, because 90% of cocaine comes from Colombia and 70% of heroin does too. Uribe is a very dangerous man to rebels and drug producers.

I also think more prisions should be built for drug related crimes.

[Toefur]

Edit: As for the Afghanistan bit... I don't think a democratic government can control things like that, as well as one like the Taleban.

Screw wasting money on prisons.

I say we go China's direction.

It's true though... like Webdude said... they go to prison; they just get treated nicely.

If realistic punishments are given; people might change.

Slaughter the bastards! :D :chinese2:

Of course; if people want freedom... every single drug should be legalised.

Reminds me of a cool q uote from Office Space, though, in reference to jail,"Kick somebody's arse the first day; or become somebody's -----". Ahhh. I love it.

[Giancarlo]

I say people dealing drugs or transporting them should be sent to a Turkish Styled Maximum Security Prision.


Of course; if people want freedom... every single drug should be legalised.

Yeah so society ----s up even more and one thing I will say is: People ask more of freedom than it can give.

[Toefur]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I say people dealing drugs or transporting them should be sent to a Turkish Styled Maximum Security Prision.


What are they like?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Toefur


What are they like?

I don't know. But I hear they are the most horrible prisions in the world.