[Thread Closed] Why..

[Robert]

Why does the United States Government think they own the Internet? I mean sure it was developed within the U.S., but the Internet has grown to something that no one country can control/own.

[is0lized]

wheres an example of what they did

[meow]

I don't even think the Internet was developed mainy within U.S. The Web maybe was. :confused:

[Dusty]

I don't even think the Internet was developed mainy within U.S. The Web maybe was. :confused:The concept of it was, but it's not really a sort of thing you can out-right own. Control, by one means or another, yes, but actually own, no.

What exactly are you referencing, Robert?

[Blank Verse]

Don't you remember? Al Gore invented the Internet :D:rolleyes:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Blank Verse
Don't you remember? Al Gore invented the Internet :D:rolleyes:

Ah yes... the man who inflates his position in history... and is a complusive liar...

The Internet was pushed by the Nixon and Ford adminstration. It was finally developed for the public by the Reagan and Bush Sr adminstrations. :D (My republican bias is back) :D

[Gayowulf]

ROTFLMAO

not this again.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Gayowulf
ROTFLMAO

not this again.

What? It was. :D

[Gayowulf]

The republicans will be the end of the internet, at least the internet as we now know it.

Giancarlo, do some research on cryptography, particularly DES. Check intp PGP as well.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Gayowulf
The republicans will be the end of the internet, at least the internet as we now know it.

I strongly, bitterly disagree. The Republicans are the pro free market types, and they will persue more security and a more business friendly internet.

The democrats will be the end of the internet, at least the internet as we now know it.



Giancarlo, do some research on cryptography, particularly DES. Check intp PGP as well.

Arbitrary.

[meow]

No fret GC. You and the Americans can come surf on the Internet the rest of use when yours has come to an end. :)

I think you just proved Robert's point so Spanish you are.

[Gayowulf]

No, its not arbitrary.

You mentioned the Republicans will lead to a more secure internet. I thought you would bring this up; It was the republicans who were out to cripple the cryptographers who were concerned about security. I'm not kidding- look into it.

[wm2k1]

Originally posted by Blank Verse
Don't you remember? Al Gore invented the Internet :D:rolleyes:
Gore never claimed to "invent" the internet.
Gore: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
He claimed to support the building of the internet when he was a congressman.
The Republicans took Gore's words out of contexts during the 2000 elections. It was a attempt to make Gore looked like a liar.

[Giancarlo]

The republican's sure ain't at it anymore... infact we are the most free market types out there. No doubt it about.

Meow, go talk to yupapa...

And don't insult my nationality.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by wm2k1

Gore never claimed to "invent" the internet.
Gore: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
He claimed to support the building of the internet when he was a congressman.
The Republicans took Gore's words out of contexts during the 2000 elections. It was a attempt to make Gore looked like a liar.

Al Gore had nothing to do with it.

And his words are I invented the internet... I remember it because I saw one of his interviews or speeches.

[meow]

Sorry GC. I wasn't aware that calling someone "Spanish" was an insult. Thanks for informing me. I'll use it with care in the future.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by meow
Sorry GC. I wasn't aware that calling someone "Spanish" was an insult. Thanks for informing me. I'll use it with care in the future.

No it is not. But you were insulting Spanish by indirectly calling them ignorant. Why did you say this then?


I think you just proved Robert's point so Spanish you are.

That is downright offensive the way you put it.

[lotsofissues]

Gore is quoted as saying he "took the iniative in creating the internet" he never said I invented the internet. And its true he did introduce legistlation to expand the internet into schools and promoted the commercial internet.

[Giancarlo]

Gore is a flat out liar. It was actually the Bush Sr adminstration whom expanded the internet. Gore did practically nothing during his Vice Presidency.

[Owen]

Why does every thread turn political GC?

But since it is in debate, the Internet can not be claimed by any presidential administrations(at least without lying). Its inital development started in the late 50s to early 70s. Initially started by the Department of Defense and the ARPA(Advanced REsearch Prodject Agency). ARPA deserves most of the credit for starting the Internet, as they created the first backbones located at the University of Los Angelas, University of Utah, and another University in california which I can not remember. That was done in the last 60s. In the early 70s, e-mail was created. No signs of the Reagan or Bush administration.

USENET was started around 1979, during the Carter administration(I beleive, I get the yeras mixed up sometime). Just when Reagan got into office, the National Science Foundation created a backbone themselves(after it had already been done), then the following year, DNS was created by the University of Wisconsin. I seriously doubt they did it by grants given to them by the Reagan administration, as he was notorious for reducing federal grants and pork barrels.

Later, corporation such as IBM and MCI created the T3, not any governmental agencies. At that same time the DoD changed to NSF's backbone, disbanded ARPANET.

The only slightly major contribution that happened during the Bush administration was the charter of the Internet Society. I doubt Bush had much to with that.

During Clinton's reign, the WWW was created. Also, from 1994 till around 1999, the usage of the Internet increase by nearly 500%.

Most of the features we use were not created by the Bush or Reagan administration. If any presidential administration should lay claim to it, it should be the Eisenhower administration. However, laying claim to it is about as ridiculous as Bush administration being responsible for the economic slowdown(Yes, I know it is picking back up again, that isn't the point, so don't make it one).

Most of the major features we use for the Net appeared to be done during the Clinton(along with growth), Carter, Nixon, and Eisenhower administrations. I will say, the groundwork of inital T1's did happen during the Reagan administration, but that is just a mere fraction of the contribution. So do you see how ludicrous it is to claim the Internet was started by only Republican presidents?

And that is just the American version of it. Europe had a big hand in creating the Internet as we know it also.

[Giancarlo]

The WWW was created under the Bush Senor era...

And Eisenhower was republican.

Anyways, I will just say this... what did Carter do in his term in office? Nothing. Infact the entire world fell apart and he sent the American economy reeling.

And the Reagan adminstration made the American economy what it is today. Visit the site in my signature and you will see why.

BTW, as far as I am concerned the boom that was felt in the 90s was because of Reagan and not Clinton.

[Owen]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
The WWW was created under the Bush Senor era...

And Eisenhower was republican.

Anyways, I will just say this... what did Carter do in his term in office? Nothing. Infact the entire world fell apart and he sent the American economy reeling.

And the Reagan adminstration made the American economy what it is today. Visit the site in my signature and you will see why.

First of all, your opinion of Carter's or Reagan's competency is not the point of this. The point is that no administration can really make a claim to the internet. What they did in other areas doesn't change the facts.

And I stand corrected on the WWW part. IT was started late into Bush's reign. However, the WWW was started by CERN, a European research group. Bush Sr. can't make a real claim to that.

As for Eisenhower being Republican, you initally did not state Eisenhower had anytihng to do with it. My line "was started by only Republican presidents" was basically just pointing out your obvious Republican bias.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Owen


First of all, your opinion of Carter's or Reagan's competency is not the point of this. The point is that no administration can really make a claim to the internet. What they did in other areas doesn't change the facts.

Then tell your ally Gore to stop making claims.



And I stand correct on the WWW part. IT was started late into Bush's reign. However, the WWW was started by CERN, a European research group. Bush Sr. can't make a real claim to that.

Fine.



As for Eisenhower being Republican, you initally did not state Eisenhower had anytihng to do with it. My line "was started by only Republican presidents" was basically just pointing out your obvious Republican bias.

I didn't say Eisenhower had nothing to do with it... he did. When did I say that he didn't?

It has been strange that under every democrat adminstration the economy dipped right during the end of their terms. (LBJ, Carter, Clinton)

[Owen]

"Then tell your ally Gore to stop making claims."

And now the immaturity starts. Just because I am debunking your claim doesn't mean I support Gore. I disliked Gore heavily.

"Fine."

So, there was little actual contribution by the Bush and Reagan administration.

"I didn't say Eisenhower had nothing to do with it... he did. When did I say that he didn't?"

All I stated that you never mentioned Eisenhower. Reread what I wrote.

"It has been strange that under every democrat adminstration the economy dipped right during the end of their terms. (LBJ, Carter, Clinton)"

Please tell me GC, where I mentioned economy other than to give an analogy? I don't believe this debate is about the economy so don't make it one(although I do agree with you about it) to try to change to point of the conversation.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Owen

And now the immaturity started. Just because I am debunking your claim doesn't mean I support Gore. I disliked Gore heavily.[b]

Sure....


[b]
So, there was little actual contribution by the Bush and Reagan administration.

And moreso by the Eisenhower and Nixon adminstrations, still republican.



All I stated that you never mentioned Eisenhower. Reread what I wrote.

Well I guess I forgot him...



Please tell me GC, where I mentioned economy other than to give an analogy? I don't believe this debate is about the economy so don't make it one(although I do agree with you about it) to try to change to point of the conversation.

The economy has got something to do with it because without the rapid growth that was felt in the 80s the economy would of never had an technological boom.

[Giancarlo]

Sorry... people... had a tough day... did a three hour and half hour micro-economics exam... now next week I gotta do another 3 and half hour macro-economics exam... I am not in the best of moods.

[Owen]

"Sure...." (obvious sarcasm)

You have no idea about who I support. I am a moderate(not a right wingist like you). You are beginning to assume, which you get angry when other people do to you. Treats others like you wish to be treated GC.

"And moreso by the Eisenhower and Nixon adminstrations, still republican."

Not debating that. However it boomed also during the Carter and Clinton administrations. Besides that, no presidency really had any great effect on the Internet themsleves.

"Well I guess I forgot him..."

Yup. I guess you did. I guess we found sometihng you are not an expert on.

"The economy has got something to do with it because without the rapid growth that was felt in the 80s the economy would of never had an technological boom."

The internet was developed by government agencies, huge coporations, and foreign groups. Not by the every day public, affected the most by the economy. Besides, the economic slowdown wasn't a crippled economy like the Great Depression, so it wouldn't prevent corporations and other private entities from developing technology.

[Gayowulf]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Sorry... people... had a tough day... did a three hour and half hour micro-economics exam... now next week I gotta do another 3 and half hour macro-economics exam... I am not in the best of moods.

I can sympathize with you there, GC.

[Giancarlo]

Owen, Carter proved that there can be stagflation, and Clinton proved that an economic boom can be ended by government intervention with his stupidly high taxation rates that actually put strain on the middle class's income.

And don't be mocking my sig...

[meow]

In my quest for the truth I found the answer.

http://www.vortex-webdesign.com/help/faq.htm#inventor

[wm2k1]

Originally posted by meow
In my quest for the truth I found the answer.

http://www.vortex-webdesign.com/help/faq.htm#inventor
:confused2 :confused: :rolleyes: Tina Peters :rolleyes: :confused: :confused2

[meow]

:rolleyes: You bet.

[Owen]

GC. Why do you continue to try to pound something into me about the economy which I already agree about. The economy and the development of the Internet are far apart, unless the economy becomes crippled, which it hasn't been since the Great Depression.

As for my sig, I do it to prove a point. I have taken classes or done something in each of the things I mentioned. Does that make me an expert. No. While in the topic of the military you do mention stuff I don't know, you have never mentioned anything about the economy that I do not already know, so that doesn't make you an expert.

Besides, until you start following your own advice and not insult or mock other people's ideas with your sig, I think mine will stay unless Todd or Peo asks me to remove it.

And I do not care if you are an atheist. I am not here to evangelize to you or anyone else.

[meow]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


No it is not. But you were insulting Spanish by indirectly calling them ignorant. Why did you say this then?

That is downright offensive the way you put it.

:rolleyes:
Robert asked why Americans think they own the Internet. Remember? THE TOPIC?

I commented that you [and others] had proved his point [by as usual discussing from a singular American point of view] even if you aren't American but Spanish [as you tell us in every other thread].

So, when and where did I directly or indirectly call the Spanish people ignorant?

Don't bother to answer. I don't want to talk to you any more. My empathy has come to an end.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Owen
As for my sig, I do it to prove a point. I have taken classes or done something in each of the things I mentioned. Does that make me an expert. No. While in the topic of the military you do mention stuff I don't know, you have never mentioned anything about the economy that I do not already know, so that doesn't make you an expert.

I am a damn expert in the field of the economy and military, including politics.



Besides, until you start following your own advice and not insult or mock other people's ideas with your sig, I think mine will stay unless Todd or Peo asks me to remove it.

You advice is false and sucks.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I am a damn expert in the field of the economy and military, including politics.


Giancarlo you will NEVER be an expert in these fields and most certainly not at your age. Even those with 40 years experience are not and never will be experts. :devious2:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

Giancarlo you will NEVER be an expert in these fields and most certainly not at your age. Even those with 40 years experience are not and never will be experts. :devious2:

Go to hell... oh sorry, I don't believe in hell. Anyways, I am an expert and that is undeniable. Do you know what an oligopoly is? Or what a PPF curve is? Or what Marginal cost means? Or what GDP means? I doubt it. You know I am an expert.

And don't ever, I mean ever bring my age into this. It shows how pathetically lame your argument is. It is called jackassism.

[Moonman]

Do you know what a "Every thread that turns into a politics debate Staring Giancarlo is boring" is?

[Giancarlo]

Then if you don't like why don't you ask for the thread to be closed? :rolleyes:

[Moonman]

I don't want it closed im just saying that a thread that could have turned out intersting had to turn into a political debate, and it does get annoying, but i have to say i haven't seen a political thread for a while, so they are slowing down.

[Giancarlo]

Yes they are annoying... but for this forum to be interesting there needs to be one or two... and posts don't count here so what difference does it make?

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

And don't ever, I mean ever bring my age into this. It shows how pathetically lame your argument is. It is called jackassism.
I brought your age into only to demonstrate that NOBODY no matter what age would be an expert in these matters. Stop your damned bragging, you won't ever be an expert. Spend less time arguing on BBs and more time studying your *expert* fields, then I/we might start believing in you!

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

I brought your age into only to demonstrate that NOBODY no matter what age would be an expert in these matters. Stop your damned bragging, you won't ever be an expert. Spend less time arguing on BBs and more time studying your *expert* fields, then I/we might start believing in you!

Start believing me? Why? Because I know a lot in these fields? I am an expert in these matters and that is a undeniable fact. No doubt about it. If I am not an expert, you must be a peanut farmer. :mad: :rolleyes:

[Jan]

You are not and never will be an expert! You are however an expert in your own opinions.....as you have rammed down our throats for months :devious2:

Give it up GC, nobody believes you....so why push it?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan
You are not and never will be an expert! You are however an expert in your own opinions.....as you have rammed down our throats for months :devious2:

Give it up GC, nobody believes you....so why push it?

Nobody has to believe me... they won't accept facts because I am an expert. Idiots we call them and this world has enough of them.

[Jan]

You ARE NOT AN EXPERT and the "idiots" know it :classic2:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan
You ARE NOT AN EXPERT and the "idiots" know it :classic2:

No. I am an expert.

[Jan]

Wishful thinking does wonders for morale :)

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan
Wishful thinking does wonders for morale :)

Idiocy is so damaging to character.

And you are full of it.

I am the expert here in economics, politics and military stuff and that is the way it is. I have proved it time and time again.

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I am the expert here in economics, politics and military stuff and that is the way it is. I have proved it time and time again.
You're not the only person who knows about economics, etc.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cheatpark

You're not the only person who knows about economics, etc.

Of course I am not the only. There are many people in this world that do. Unfornately I am the only one here in this forum that does. :rolleyes:

[cheatpark]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Unfornately I am the only one here in this forum that does. :rolleyes:
ROTFLMAO

[Giancarlo]

The truth is sometimes painful but in this case it is so damn true. I am surrounded by a bunch of hyper males (and females) who are high on caffeine and speak gibberish.

[Robert]

Mods - please close this thread.

Just a note - it's becoming a burden to post on these forums as they always end up with insults, put downs, and plan off stupidity. I guess i just won't take part anymore. or not as much.