[Thread Closed] Criticizing a hero!

[Giancarlo]

I sometimes hate the democrats and this is where they go to far... but they should be shut up about this... I am going to buy that photo and put it up in my room to show a true American hero, George W. Bush - If it isn't too expensive and if it gets offered online in a political store instead of only to donors.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/05/14/wh.fundraising.flap/index.html

Edit: Grammar

[Owen]

The democrats are simply being childish in this. They are trying to defame a president at any costs. If they are going to get so mad at that picture, they ought to start getting angry about movies that portray the sinking of the Titanic, the holocaust, the bombing of Pearl Harbor, etc. etc.. Movies, documentaries, and multiple other presentations have been done about those, yet no objections. Simply because September 11 happened recently doesn't make the lives and the event any more or less important than the lives that were lost in those other evens, one of which(holocaust) was much more tragic and vicious than the plane bombings were.

This isn't suprising as most politicians are hypocrites and power mongerers who sway to the side that supports their views and agenda.

[Giancarlo]

Sure Bush is probably a power monger himself, but I would like to have a picture of his portrait while in airforce one in my room. I am proud to show that I am his supporter. I will even vote for him in 2004 because I will reach the age. The same I would do with Franklin Roosevelt, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. All heroes. Though I didn't agree with Roosevelt's economic plan in the beginning, his handling of the war is something to be proud of.

[rapmaster]

democrates = commies

Ta hell wit them

[byrdgirl13]

Define "commie." You may not use the words "commie," "communist," "red," "democrat," or "republican" in the definition; also do not refer wars as your method of defining communism.

(I'm serious. I want to know what you think it means. But really, I know you know that democrats are not communists.)

By the way, being president at the time when there's a national crisis doesn't make him a hero. Any other president would have dealt with it as well as or better than W. Besides, I've known heroes all my life; they are everywhere. They don't have to be internationally famous. Maybe Bush is your hero, but not so for everyone.

^^the byrdie senses some flaming coming on because she does not always conform to other's views. <<more flaming for the mention of conformity.

[Giancarlo]

No problem birdie. You are sensing not quite the correct answer out of me... well at least it won't be me flaming you. Ronald Reagan once said heroes are everywhere, those who work, and those who help others.

Everybody: Call me Fez now, I am starting to adopt that nickname in my school...

[Robert]

Had it been a democrat, Republicans would have said the same.

[Giancarlo]

Maybe they would of... but I deserve the right to buy that photo of Bush and put it up in my room and if somebody else where to do that with Clinton, they shouldn't be shut out of that right.

[Mika]

I just wonder when US people will understand that USA can go on even without a president! :D I'm European and I see the things in a different way, but I have the impression that it's the whole machine (USA) that counts , not the president. For me Klinton , Bush etc are just the Barbies. The machine commands ! Not the president! :D

[Giancarlo]

I am also European, but I don't see things the way you do. The President is the one who signs bills and makes a very large impact on the world stage and how the world views the US. So he certainly makes all the difference.

[byrdgirl13]

sounds like something from Grapes of Wrath - people built something that has grown beyond their control. Humans built it but they can't control it. I agree.
I agree sort of with Giancarlo on the last comment too - the President represents the nation, whether he values the same things as the people or not. In my case, he certainly does not. but anyways...I agree with both of you on those comments.

[Giancarlo]

Humans also need a sense of authority because believe me they can't live without it. Anarchy is not a workable system because of this quality.

Bush mainly represents my views (pro death penalty, anti abortion, pro free market, etc).

[Robert]

No disrespect, but we don't need an outsider telling us that the U.S. can be ran without a president.

What makes the U.S. such an amazing country is, even if the Capital (Washington DC) is blown to pieces, each state has it's own "government" and can operate as a country on it's own. Unlike most countries where the capital runs the entire country.

The president is just a representative for the United States.

[syd]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I am also European, but I don't see things the way you do.

:confused: So... exactly what *are* you? I mean, first you're Spanish, now you're American, then you're a South American, now you're European again!! If I went by your standards, I'd have a zillion citizenship cards!

[Crazy Russian]

states can't run the country.
military, laws (serious ones), and other crap are provided by the federal government.

i'm from russia and i know more than you about your own government system, haha

[Crazy Russian]

Yeah, he's a bit out of this world. Dreams too much.


Originally posted by syd


:confused: So... exactly what *are* you? I mean, first you're Spanish, now you're American, then you're a South American, now you're European again!! If I went by your standards, I'd have a zillion citizenship cards!

[syd]

I bet you're branded a commie in 5 minutes.

[Crazy Russian]

Giancarlo knows i'm not a commie, we had a LOOOONG disscussion on this subject with him on another forum.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by syd


:confused: So... exactly what *are* you? I mean, first you're Spanish, now you're American, then you're a South American, now you're European again!! If I went by your standards, I'd have a zillion citizenship cards!

50% Spanish/50% Italian with Spanish Euroland Passport.

My dad just works for the US government... not my fault is it?

This Crazy Russian is not somebody you would want talk to.

Syd you are disgrace.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by syd


:confused: So... exactly what *are* you? I mean, first you're Spanish, now you're American, then you're a South American, now you're European again!! If I went by your standards, I'd have a zillion citizenship cards!

Oh don't ever... I mean EVER CALL ME SOUTH AMERICAN. OR AMERICAN. Because I am not. I just got an American Passport along with the Spanish EU passport...

Oh and it is you russian who dreams too much... you disgrace.

[Giancarlo]

Okay, as I am the starter of this thread obviously turned bad, I am requesting that it be closed.

[Owen]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Oh don't ever... I mean EVER CALL ME SOUTH AMERICAN. OR AMERICAN. Because I am not. I just got an American Passport along with the Spanish EU passport...

Oh and it is you russian who dreams too much... you disgrace.

Geez GC. While the tone of the post of hers may be offensive, you take offense at the little things like calling you a south american or american(which I am sure was not meant in offense). Are you saying it is bad to be an american? You know you are indirectly insulting me, at least I should start claiming you are. :rolleyes:

[Giancarlo]

I am not saying it is bad. I am saying I am not an American. I just got a American Passport.

But I am from Spain. No matter how many damn times I say that syd always screws it up. It is almost in her nature. Misinterpret everything! I was born in Madrid, Spain and that I am proud of.

[Owen]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I am not saying it is bad. I am saying I am not an American. I just got a American Passport.

But I am from Spain. No matter how many damn times I say that syd always screws it up. It is almost in her nature. Misinterpret everything! I was born in Madrid, Spain and that I am proud of.

She is not the only person who misinterprets things at this message board(no offense intended). For instance, you misinterpreted my sarcasm in my last post(but that isn't the main things you do that with). I know you weren't meaning it as offensive but I am just showing you how you sometimes potray something as offensive when it really isn't.

As for being proud of your country, that is a great thing. I am proud to be an American and nothing anyone can say or do can take that pride away from me. However, if someone calls me British or Scotish(because that is my blood) I won't take offense at it. However, I do know you and syd aren't best friends so maybe I would get a little angry but just remember the hate is one way.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Owen


She is not the only person who misinterprets things at this message board(no offense intended).

No. She is the only one.


I know you weren't meaning it as offensive but I am just showing you how you sometimes potray something as offensive when it really isn't.

Fine.



As for being proud of your country, that is a great thing. I am proud to be an American and nothing anyone can say or do can take that pride away from me.

Yes... that is perfectly fine...



However, I do know you and syd aren't best friends so maybe I would get a little angry but just remember the hate is one way.

You are correct... we hate each other.

I just want this thread closed, it was another mistake even opening it.

[Owen]

"No. She is the only one. "

Well. That is your opinion, but I am sure the rest of the board feels the same as I do(remember the Why thread with Meow where you thought he was calling Spanish ignorant?)

"You are correct... we hate each other.

I just want this thread closed, it was another mistake even opening it."

No. Opening the thread wasn't a mistake, because it is important to be discussed(at least for people connected with America, despite what some of them may think).

This thread like many others gets out of hand because you, syd, and multiple others(I can be included in this generalization) can not grow up and get over petty insults from people who we don't know other than by a name on a message board. Not suggesting we love each other, but some of the behavior on this message board is that of real youngins. Thats why I really have been staying absent from this message board after starting to participate more, becuase of the childishness here(from most everyone... there are a few exceptions like the mods of course, Dusty, and others).

[syd]

If you are not American, then stop referring to America as "Here", "Our government", etc...

Funny how the ONLY person who thinks I am pathetic, that I'm a "disgrace", that I should be banned etc... is the same person that almost everyone here hates.

You remind me of Nero (who we are studying in Ancient History). He said that "What a great artist the world has lost in me" (or something to that effect) when he committed suicide after the entire Roman Republic turned on him.

---> "It's always someone else - I'm never wrong!?!?"

By the way Owen, my first question to GC about nationality was actually a credible one. I seriously didn't understand why he claims to be from so many places. Very feasible I think. I never once said "You're a retard!" or anything to that effect. He's the one who went beserk:confused:

[syd]

And I don't hate anyone... :rolleyes:

[Owen]

Originally posted by syd
And I don't hate anyone... :rolleyes:

Well. Then you strongly dislike him. IF you don't start acting like it, because you, me, and multiple others do call him out more than others(he can be a jerk, but we are right back at him). Considering your past remarks, which are usually instigated by GC, not always, you don't ever try to be neutral towards him.

And unlike you and many others, I don't hate, or really even truly dislike GC. I respect him to an extent because he is very knowledgable, but I don't approve of many of his choices, and his main problem is his "I am great" and grouchy attitude, which is what drives most of you to dislike him.

Now I am sure the rest of this thread, or this argument taken onto another thread will go like this. GC will say something about how we are wrong, someone will come in and say I am and you need to grow up, GC will come back angrier, and so will the other person, and it continues and continues until one decides to backdown or the usual result of locking the thread. Its kind of funny how most threads follow the same pattern.

[syd]

I never am neutral because I really have nothing to be neutral about when it comes to him. I dislike him, of course, no sense in trying to hide that, but that's a given. I don't respect him at all because I do not respect any megalomaniacs. He is the male equivalent of my former best friend (The Queen of Ego), who I truly dislike to the harshest degree. Every remark out of his mouth (or computer, whichever) is exactly like hers. It's irritating! LOL!

[Owen]

Originally posted by syd
I never am neutral because I really have nothing to be neutral about when it comes to him. I dislike him, of course, no sense in trying to hide that, but that's a given. I don't respect him at all because I do not respect any megalomaniacs. He is the male equivalent of my former best friend (The Queen of Ego), who I truly dislike to the harshest degree. Every remark out of his mouth (or computer, whichever) is exactly like hers. It's irritating! LOL!

Yes. And every remark you say to him tries to inflame him to be that egomaniac. So if you dislike it so much, why don't you stop inciting it some(despite what you say, you do do it some)?

And if you truly dislike him to the largest degree, there will be many people you will begin to hate, because as bad as he may seem, there are tons of worse people out there, and you and me both know that.

[syd]

Hey, guess what. I haven't had any arguements with him in a long time. All I asked was about his nationality because he talks as if the USA is HIS country, but says it isn't. Is it so WRONG to ask? I didn't insult, I didn't flame, I even joked a little. That was my first post in about a week or two. And now *I* incite him? I have in the past, but not lately. And certainly not in this thread! I'm not going to walk like I'm on hot coals when asking something.

How come I can ask *anyone* here a normal question and get humourous responses, but with him he has to have a little freakout? That's his ego problem, not mine. I don't care if he gets upset or not.

[Owen]

"So... exactly what *are* you? I mean, first you're Spanish, now you're American, then you're a South American, now you're European again!! If I went by your standards, I'd have a zillion citizenship cards!"

That last sentence is what set it off, and you know good and well GC takes those kind of things to heart. Either you forgot it, or you did it knowingly. I am not getting on you so much(because you didn't do soemthing that wrong), but you did something which you knew would aggravate him.

[syd]

That wasn't intentional... it really shouldn't set anyone off, cause if it did, that's rather sad. It's just a joke and it's not insulting. Perhaps cause it's true. If I DID go by his standards, I'd be Canadian, French Canadian, Russian, Hungarian, Austrian, German and Icelandic. I'm not kidding about that!

[Owen]

Originally posted by syd
That wasn't intentional... it really shouldn't set anyone off, cause if it did, that's rather sad. It's just a joke and it's not insulting. Perhaps cause it's true. If I DID go by his standards, I'd be Canadian, French Canadian, Russian, Hungarian, Austrian, German and Icelandic. I'm not kidding about that!

Yeh. It is kind of sad he takes offense at that, but you don't like him and his ego, yet you continue to post things that will make him show it(knowingly or not). So you can either keep posting those things and expect the same result, or not and don't expect ot see his ego as much. Its just you don't keep doing soemthing that produces an undesirable result.

[Jan]

Originally posted by syd
How come I can ask *anyone* here a normal question and get humourous responses, but with him he has to have a little freakout?
That's very true. Maybe it's best not to even bother? :confused2

[syd]

Well this time was not intentional, and I don't intend to sit and stare at my post everytime and think "Well... will this offend him or not?". If he gets offended that's not my problem and I'm not gonna hold back what I say just cause he throws a tantrum. I always joke around with people, that's just my personality (in "real life", I'm the class clown type person) so if he can show his, than I can show mine :D

[syd]

Originally posted by Jan

That's very true. Maybe it's best not to even bother? :confused2

If we wanted to stop the outbursts, we'd have to stop posting at all :D FWS: Population: 1!

[Crazy Russian]

lol, i'm not the one who has a superiority complex.....Gina


Originally posted by Giancarlo


Oh don't ever... I mean EVER CALL ME SOUTH AMERICAN. OR AMERICAN. Because I am not. I just got an American Passport along with the Spanish EU passport...

Oh and it is you russian who dreams too much... you disgrace.

[Crazy Russian]

That's a sign of shizophrenia (sp?), when you can't understand basic humour and sarcasm.



Originally posted by Jan

That's very true. Maybe it's best not to even bother? :confused2

[Jan]

Okay, time to get back to the topic. :classic2:

[Owen]

Alright Jan.... We will get back on topic AFTER you tell me why you haven't answered my question(and you should know what it is)? :D :p

[Webdude]

Originally posted by Crazy Russian
states can't run the country.
military, laws (serious ones), and other crap are provided by the federal government.

i'm from russia and i know more than you about your own government system, haha

Actually, if Washington got nuked, there is a backup operations center for the feds. If that got nuked...well, then each state becomes it's own country during that time. Each state has it's own bases and government. I dont know if any other states can do this, but the people of Texas can vote to seperate from the U.S. They could also divide Texas into up to 5 smaller states.

Now let's say every state capital got nuked, then the county governments take the lead. You'd have to nuke the entire U.S. because almost every household has at least one gun with plenty of ammo. On average at least one house on every block has a large gun collection, and ammo. Then you have all the stores and shops that sell the same. It's a unique system, and is the reason why the U.S. could never be successfully invaded.

[anhedonia]

It would be amazing if this topic managed to stay open - no surprise if it gets closed by tomorrow. :)

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by byrdgirl13
By the way, being president at the time when there's a national crisis doesn't make him a hero. Any other president would have dealt with it as well as or better than W. Besides, I've known heroes all my life; they are everywhere. They don't have to be internationally famous.

Very well said.

The heroes of 9/11 are the firemen who dug for survivors, the families of those who were killed and now carry their own life sentence, and those who were in those planes, whether they lived or not. They are the ones who face personal tragedy and horror - stare it right in the face - experience their world crumbling. It doesn't matter how rich they were, what kind of clothes they were wearing, if they were famous or not, whether they were a huge company's manager or a kid working in a burger store. Being a hero isn't just doing your duty, it's putting everything you've got on the line for the sake of somebody else. It's daring to go on when the odds are stacked against you, facing fear, doing something that could change somebody's life, being selfless. Digging through rubble for people you don't know, people you've never seen or met or heard of, that's what heros do.

Bush just did what he had to. I'm not saying he did a bad job, or that he is a bad person, or even a bad president, but the true heroes are the firemen and the families and the victims of September 11.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Webdude


Actually, if Washington got nuked, there is a backup operations center for the feds. If that got nuked...well, then each state becomes it's own country during that time. Each state has it's own bases and government. I dont know if any other states can do this, but the people of Texas can vote to seperate from the U.S. They could also divide Texas into up to 5 smaller states.

Now let's say every state capital got nuked, then the county governments take the lead. You'd have to nuke the entire U.S. because almost every household has at least one gun with plenty of ammo. On average at least one house on every block has a large gun collection, and ammo. Then you have all the stores and shops that sell the same. It's a unique system, and is the reason why the U.S. could never be successfully invaded.

I was going to say the exact same thing. Thank you webdude for saving me time. The United States has the best system when it comes to government and each invidual state.

You may be from Russia, but you don't know more about our government than we do.

[Jan]

Originally posted by anhedonia

The heroes of 9/11 are the firemen who dug for survivors, the families of those who were killed and now carry their own life sentence, and those who were in those planes, whether they lived or not.

Wonderfully said byrdgirl13 and Kristy (we need an applause smiley)

[conkermaniac]

Well, I think everyone in my school, which has people from all over the world (including America) and consists mostly of American teachers, thinks George W. Bush is an absolute idiot. I even made fun of him on all the questions of our vocabulary test (it was easy as heck). Sentences such as:

Though many consider Stalin and Hitler to be procrustean dictators, it is George W. Bush's ridiculous efforts in getting the entire world to support the "war on terrorism" that should be considered as such.

The crowd immediately subsided when President Bush emerged to make his speech.

Bush was mesmerized by Fidel Castro's speeches about Cuba.

etc. etc.

[Giancarlo]

I want this thread closed immediately. This is on request from the thread starter. I mean it Jan. I will also send a private message to Todd.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by syd
By the way Owen, my first question to GC about nationality was actually a credible one. I seriously didn't understand why he claims to be from so many places. Very feasible I think. I never once said "You're a retard!" or anything to that effect. He's the one who went beserk:confused:

I don't refer to America as here or our government, because it isn't my country. Stop making up ---- and let me go along with my day. You are a disgrace to this forum.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Jan

Wonderfully said byrdgirl13 and Kristy (we need an applause smiley)

*goes pink* :o

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I want this thread closed immediately. This is on request from the thread starter. I mean it Jan. I will also send a private message to Todd.

No, that isn't fair! Why can't the rest of us discuss this issue? It would be really unfair to close it, if you don't like it, please refrain from reading it anymore.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by anhedonia


No, that isn't fair! Why can't the rest of us discuss this issue? It would be really unfair to close it, if you don't like it, please refrain from reading it anymore.

Wrong, Wrong, WRONG! This is my thread! One person made it personal by insulting me as a person and insulting my country, Spain. I am not open to having a discussion filled with xenophobes like this person. Syd.

[Jan]

Where did syd insult your country? :confused:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan
Where did syd insult your country? :confused:

On the 1st and 2nd pages of this thread.

Jan, close this thread.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


On the 1st and 2nd pages of this thread.

Jan, close this thread.
I just took a look at pages 1 and 2 and do not see where syd insulted your country. You however, have insulted her and others badly, as is your usual style.

You are free to not post in this thread anymore, but if others wish to discuss the topic they can. I will leave it up to admin to close.

[syd]

This is stupid... I did not once even mention Spain, let alone insult it. Weirdo!

[Crazy Russian]

Well yeah, what i meant was that the federal government controls the military, what happens if the federal government goes down is another story.

Anyway, i don't know much about the US government system, just making my little comment.



Originally posted by Webdude


Actually, if Washington got nuked, there is a backup operations center for the feds. If that got nuked...well, then each state becomes it's own country during that time. Each state has it's own bases and government. I dont know if any other states can do this, but the people of Texas can vote to seperate from the U.S. They could also divide Texas into up to 5 smaller states.

Now let's say every state capital got nuked, then the county governments take the lead. You'd have to nuke the entire U.S. because almost every household has at least one gun with plenty of ammo. On average at least one house on every block has a large gun collection, and ammo. Then you have all the stores and shops that sell the same. It's a unique system, and is the reason why the U.S. could never be successfully invaded.

[Crazy Russian]

Giancarlo whines too much, whenever he loses an argument, he just goes to the moderator and says: "They are abusing me, i'm gay, help me", but usually noone does cause Giancarlo is dumb and everyone hates him on this and other forums.

"Stop whining"
-Arnold

[wm2k1]

Originally posted by Crazy Russian
Well yeah, what i meant was that the federal government controls the military, what happens if the federal government goes down is another story.

Anyway, i don't know much about the US government system, just making my little comment.
Actucally, some states do have their own "military".


Originally posted by Crazy Russian
Giancarlo whines too much, whenever he loses an argument, he just goes to the moderator and says: "They are abusing me, i'm gay, help me", but usually noone does cause Giancarlo is dumb and everyone hates him on this and other forums.

"Stop whining"
-Arnold
yup, frankly, everyone is getting tired w/ him

i orginially didn't want to post in this thread because my views conflicted w/ GC and would cause him to start flaming ... but i can't believe that he started crying over something as stupid as what syd wrote

[MN-Carl]

I agree ...

Some action must be taken :confused2

[Giancarlo]

I did not and am not on all false counts. And I will not respond to this crap.

Russian, you even try, I mean even try to mess with me I will be contacting the authorities about some things you said to me.

[wm2k1]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I did not and am not on all false counts. And I will not respond to this crap.

Russian, you even try, I mean even try to mess with me I will be contacting the authorities about some things you said to me.
geee...is the truth too hard to handle? Crazy Russian didn't do anything wrong. No need to start flaming each others.

[Giancarlo]

Forget it. I have to defend myself. I don't have a choice.


Originally posted by Crazy Russian
Giancarlo whines too much,

Maybe I should post your ICQ transcripts? And see who is the whiner? YOU!



whenever he loses an argument, he just goes to the moderator and says:

When I lose an argument? Excuse me... there are opinions in arguments. It is people like you that start civil wars.



"They are abusing me, i'm gay, help me", but usually noone does cause Giancarlo is dumb and everyone hates him on this and other forums.

Whatever. All I know is that is statement is 100% wrong.

[Giancarlo]

Attention

I have sent Peo a very long private message explaining what is happening and what should be done. Please show some respect when he reaches his decision.

I will be respectful to everyone even when he reaches this proper judgement. I have no more sordid ends to serve with anybody here including syd. So I am asking that everybody refrain quietly from posting in this thread.

Cordially,

Giancarlo.

[MN-Carl]

Well ... you might have to tone down how much you get involved in threads ... a few people might like you then ... :confused2

[Todd]

Giancarlo, the thread starter isn't able to lock a thread at will because once posted it becomes public information and others are free to comment on it and/or disagree with you.

I think there were a few personal attacks and comments typed in a manner just to inflame the situation as well.

With that said the topic will remain open for now but there should be no further off topic postings or it will be locked.

[MN-Carl]

Well said ...

well thats the end of this topic then :biggrin2:

Its easy to take praise .... but when ---- hits the fan how with the current president be .... only time well tell :classic2:

[Giancarlo]

I think in 2004, it will be George W. Bush taking stand at the inauguration. History repeats itself. With Reagan, Nixon and Eisenhower. They all won the first rounds by a small bit, but then they take a landslide victory in their second term run. I think Bush will take a landslide victory against a weak democratic party.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Wrong, Wrong, WRONG! This is my thread! One person made it personal by insulting me as a person and insulting my country, Spain. I am not open to having a discussion filled with xenophobes like this person. Syd.

Oh, honestly, just forget about whatever "insulting" thing she said, who cares, move on, get over it.

The REST of us would like to have a proper discussion without things getting closed. If you dislike this topic, just don't visit it anymore.

[Jan]

Kristy, syd said nothing insulting about his country if you care to read page 1.

Now if nobody wants to discuss the ORIGINAL topic, I will close this. The ball is in your court :)

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I think in 2004, it will be George W. Bush taking stand at the inauguration. History repeats itself. With Reagan, Nixon and Eisenhower. They all won the first rounds by a small bit, but then they take a landslide victory in their second term run. I think Bush will take a landslide victory against a weak democratic party.

But they all proved themselves to be very capable leaders after their first-term. So far, George W. Bush has proved nothing to the world but the fact that he is a retard who acts like everything is a joke. I just hate to hear him make speeches; it annoys me so much to see how he acts like every situation is almost funny and humorous (not to mention he has a very lame sense of humor). Just ask any of my classmates; I doubt you'd find a single one who thinks George W. Bush is anywhere above pathetic. I even heard that they tested his vocabulary, and it was below average for a college student.

Anyway, George W. Bush was technically not elected by the American people. The American people elected Al Gore. But it was all because of that unnecessary electoral system (is it really useful anymore?) that Bush was able to become president. I would vote for Ross Perot before Bush.

[Giancarlo]

Oh no... another nice democratic flame...


Originally posted by conkermaniac


But they all proved themselves to be very capable leaders after their first-term.

And they all won the reelections, and George Bush will do the same because he is a very capable leader. He belongs right up there with Nixon and Reagan because of his arms control agreement that Reagan could only dream of.



So far, George W. Bush has proved nothing to the world but the fact that he is a retard who acts like everything is a joke.

If you have something intelligent to say then say it because you insulting a great president is just plain stupid.


I just hate to hear him make speeches; it annoys me so much to see how he acts like every situation is almost funny and humorous (not to mention he has a very lame sense of humor). Just ask any of my classmates; I doubt you'd find a single one who thinks George W. Bush is anywhere above pathetic. I even heard that they tested his vocabulary, and it was below average for a college student.

I would say the same about Carter, and Al Gore. The way both misuse words and inflate themselves. Carter is very vague in speaking as we can tell... and thinks he is a hero.


Anyway, George W. Bush was technically not elected by the American people.

The democraps say the same thing about Nixon when he was first elected or some other Republican president.



The American people elected Al Gore.

The American people did not elect Al Gore who rigged election results in several states, and by goodness I am so damn happy Al Gore is not in power. He would of been impeached for not taking any actions on Afghanistan and when he folds to pressure he launches a couple of missiles at empty tents like Clinton. He also throws the economy into a deep damn recession with his tax and spend policies that don't work anymore.



But it was all because of that unnecessary electoral system (is it really useful anymore?) that Bush was able to become president.

And that system truely represents the American people, not some democratic rigged popular vote.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Jan
Kristy, syd said nothing insulting about his country if you care to read page 1.

Hence the "insulting".

GC, while you might see it as stupid to insult Bush, not everybody loves him. So far he hasn't done anything to really impress me, he's just... there. But then, I've never been much into praising politicians actually.

[Jan]

I can't see why a photo of a "hero" on the phone should be used for raising funds. Get a photo of him in there helping to search for victims or something more dramatic than talking on the phone :confused:

[MN-Carl]

if you live in england ... watch 2Dtv ..

It takes the piss out of G W Bush so much .... its quite funny :classic2:

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Jan
I can't see why a photo of a "hero" on the phone should be used for raising funds. Get a photo of him in there helping to search for victims or something more dramatic than talking on the phone :confused:


...Or better yet, a fireman holding an American flag, standing on a pile of rubble - now that's a hero...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan
I can't see why a photo of a "hero" on the phone should be used for raising funds. Get a photo of him in there helping to search for victims or something more dramatic than talking on the phone :confused:

Actually I hear they are... a photo of him on top of the rubble speaking with rescuers.

George W. Bush is the best President since Ronald Reagan and Ike Eisenhower.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by anhedonia



...Or better yet, a fireman holding an American flag, standing on a pile of rubble - now that's a hero...

Did I ever say such a picture wouldn't be? I am planning to get several my room, including Bush and firefighters. Also with the bravery of the best fighting force in the world, the US Military in Afghanistan (along with its allies to a much lesser extent). If they decide to release them then I will get them.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Did I ever say such a picture wouldn't be?

Did I ever say you ever said it wouldn't be?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by anhedonia


Did I ever say you ever said it wouldn't be?

I knew what you meant.

[MN-Carl]

The Marines are currently in fighting with Taliban ... the frontline force of the war against terrorism

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


I knew what you meant.

Obviously you didn't. :classic2:

[Giancarlo]

Obviously I did. :classic2:

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Actually I hear they are... a photo of him on top of the rubble speaking with rescuers.


That still does not a hero make :confused2

I think they would make more money having a pic of one of survivors or one of the rescue workers helping someone out of the rubble

[Giancarlo]

And did I say that? No I didn't. I respect those who worked to get survivors.

People, I am pulling out of this debate on the advice of Peo. He suggested I not participate in political threads, and I will take his advice.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Obviously I did. :classic2:

omfg, do not tell me what I meant. :rolleyes:

[Crazy Russian]

<<< mod edit >>> Personal attack removed. /Peo

[Giancarlo]

<<< mod edit >>> Removed quote and reply. /Peo

[Owen]

People. There are multiple heros in this situation. Not just one. A hero is a person who does something to help save someone(directly or indirectly). In 9/11 the firemen and policemen were the great heros. However, Bush in his own right was a hero. While he may not have digged anyone out of the ruddle at Ground Zero, he did start a campaign to end terrorism.

Whether someone else could have done it, doesn't matter, because a hero is not made by what they could have done, but by what they did. Just because someone else could do it doesn't take away from the fact that he did what he did(its kind of hard for me to explain).

As for conker. Could you please tell me what makes Bush such an idiot instead of assuming his speeches determine his IQ. I am horrible at making speeches, but if you were to assume I was an idiot by that, you would be mistaken. I am not genius by any means, but I am fairly smart. I just can not speak in public.

BTW, you also mention your classmates? IIRC don't you live in China or another country in Asia? It would be harder to like someone that doesn't serve your best interests. Despite what you think of him, many people like him here in the US.

[Giancarlo]

Sometimes my words don't flow right in speeches and I can't say things, but with practice I been getting better. The same goes for Bush. His speaking abilities were superb when he made that address to Congress and they still are. He speaks with simple dialogue.

[Archbob]

Your take on this issue will depend on where you stand on the political spectrum. I don't have anything strongly against this move but I can easily state its just a way to get easy money.

Some, like Giancarlo, see Regean as a hero, I myself, put Regean on equal footing Clinton. Consider:

1. Economy Boomed under both men
2. Both men had scandals under them(Iran-Contra was officially not known by Regean and since he had alzheimers he might have actually forgotten it). Clinton's sex scandal wasn't that big of a deal to me, he did a fine job of running the country and his personal life isn't of interest to me.

Besides that you didn't mention regeans economy boom was mainly due to his defeciet spending plan which created a huge debt.

Regardless, I consider them both great presidents, much better than Bush Sr. or W.

[Giancarlo]

Archbob the economy declined in the end of 1999 when the so called "tech bubble" bursted and the economy fell into contraction. That was because of Clinton's hefty tax policies and amongst other factors.

Under George W. Bush the GDP grew about +5.8% in the first Quarter of 2002.

But one democrat I did give credit to is Kennedy, he actually lowered taxes. But the rest of his handlings were a disaster.

[Archbob]

I'm more left than right, so I would disagree, I think Clinton did good for the economy, but we all know the economy has its cycle and its in a sort of slump right now.

[Giancarlo]

It isn't in a slump. The GDP actually grew +5.8% for the first quarter. The government is expecting similar growth for the next quarter.

[Archbob]

The growth in GDP is good, but its still hard to find jobs now, especially tech jobs.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Archbob
The growth in GDP is good, but its still hard to find jobs now, especially tech jobs.

From how hard the economy was hit on September 11th, it will take some time. The GDP growth was first. Then jobs.

[Archbob]

Yeah I know 9-11 was hard but I think we still have at least half a year of reeling to do.

[Hobbes]

now everyone wants to tax our exports. EU, Japan... who next?

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Hobbes
now everyone wants to tax our exports. EU, Japan... who next?

Sure, they will only damage themselves... and I doubt Japan will do it because they are still in recession.

Archbob, I don't think it works that way. Three months after September 11th, the $100 billion that was completely lost was recovered.

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

And they all won the reelections, and George Bush will do the same because he is a very capable leader. He belongs right up there with Nixon and Reagan because of his arms control agreement that Reagan could only dream of.




If you have something intelligent to say then say it because you insulting a great president is just plain stupid.

I notice that every time someone says an argument that you can't defend against, you literally echo this same idea over and over again. It is trite; it is meaningless; and worst of all, it is not supported with any details.



I would say the same about Carter, and Al Gore. The way both misuse words and inflate themselves. Carter is very vague in speaking as we can tell... and thinks he is a hero.


And did I say they were good? The American public are notorious for voting in bad leaders, namely Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush (and his father as well). When I get to vote, hopefully it won't be like that.



The democraps say the same thing about Nixon when he was first elected or some other Republican president.


No, what I mean is that this electoral system doesn't work properly. It was supposed to be an assembly of "upper-class people" chosen by the state legislatures to vote for the presidents. Unfortunately, this system is stupid and pointless. It gives California total control over the outcome of the United States elections.


The American people did not elect Al Gore who rigged election results in several states, and by goodness I am so damn happy Al Gore is not in power. He would of been impeached for not taking any actions on Afghanistan and when he folds to pressure he launches a couple of missiles at empty tents like Clinton. He also throws the economy into a deep damn recession with his tax and spend policies that don't work anymore.

I want written proof that Al Gore rigged election results in several states, like you claim. I can also say that George W. Bush rigged results in Texas. Is that true? Perhaps or perhaps not. But until you provide proof, my argument is every bit as valid as yours.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by conkermaniac

I notice that every time someone says an argument that you can't defend against, you literally echo this same idea over and over again. It is trite; it is meaningless; and worst of all, it is not supported with any details.

I can defend against this argument. Your argument is not supported by any details either, and that is what makes you a hypocrite.



And did I say they were good? The American public are notorious for voting in bad leaders, namely Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush (and his father as well). When I get to vote, hopefully it won't be like that.

George W. Bush is NOT a bad leader.


No, what I mean is that this electoral system doesn't work properly. It was supposed to be an assembly of "upper-class people" chosen by the state legislatures to vote for the presidents. Unfortunately, this system is stupid and pointless. It gives California total control over the outcome of the United States elections.

Actually no. If the US ditches the electoral system that will give the democratic states an unfair advantage. Then the political partisanship could get even worse.


]I want written proof that Al Gore rigged election results in several states, like you claim. I can also say that George W. Bush rigged results in Texas. Is that true? Perhaps or perhaps not. But until you provide proof, my argument is every bit as valid as yours.

Al Gore winning the election is not a fact. He lost and is a loser. He is one of the worst people so I would of gone with George W. Bush who is more intelligent than him.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Owen
A hero is a person who does something to help save someone(directly or indirectly). In 9/11 the firemen and policemen were the great heros. However, Bush in his own right was a hero. While he may not have digged anyone out of the ruddle at Ground Zero, he did start a campaign to end terrorism.


No, he started a war.

Well, actually, not really started one as there has been war destroying Afghanistan for many years, but he didn't do anything planet-changing. He just did his job, what he had to do. The interesting thing about this is, it isn't Bush who's going out to war. It isn't his children or his husband or his brothers who are going to go and fight. It isn't brave, or heroic, to make a decision which will risk many people's lives. I admit, he did have to take some form of action, but there was nothing heroic about it.

(Guys, this is great!!! 7 pages of a serious debate without it being closed!!! Yay!)

[Jan]

Originally posted by Owen
he did start a campaign to end terrorism.

Perhaps if he had started it earlier, Sept 11 carnage wouldn't have happened :confused2

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by anhedonia


No, he started a war.

Well, actually, not really started one as there has been war destroying Afghanistan for many years, but he didn't do anything planet-changing. He just did his job, what he had to do. The interesting thing about this is, it isn't Bush who's going out to war. It isn't his children or his husband or his brothers who are going to go and fight. It isn't brave, or heroic, to make a decision which will risk many people's lives. I admit, he did have to take some form of action, but there was nothing heroic about it.

(Guys, this is great!!! 7 pages of a serious debate without it being closed!!! Yay!)

Exactly, but his decisions have been the best I could have expected from a President. His military did save Afghanistan from complete starvation.


Perhaps if he had started it earlier, Sept 11 carnage wouldn't have happened

Bullcrap. There was no way the Bush adminstration could of saw it coming. Before hand, before he got his Defense Bill passed the intelligence agencies were having funding problems. And the person to blame is Clinton for that. Bush is not to blame as 70% of the people agree with me, that the democrats going after Bush now is all political garbage. That 70% is taken from an online poll off CNN.

It looks as if some stupid democrats won't win reelection in the Senate. :biggrin2:

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Bullcrap. There was no way the Bush adminstration could of saw it coming.
The evidence of the last few days indicates they could have seen it was coming......:p

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

The evidence of the last few days indicates they could have seen it was coming......:p

NO THEY COULD NOT. The falsehoods of the last few days ought to get some people put in jail for attempting to blackmail the president with false crap.

And 70% of the people according to most, if not all polls say that this whole fiasco investigation is completely political.

Bush would of never allowed terrorists to continue with their plots if he knew. So automatically this is all lies. Who can believe the democraps anyway?

[Jan]

Come on GC, these leaks have been coming out for quite a while, you even posted a link a month or two ago where some *outspoken* woman dared to air these issues...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan
Come on GC, these leaks have been coming out for quite a while, you even posted a link a month or two ago where some *outspoken* woman dared to air these issues...

Some should get indicted for perjury and treason. These leaks? How about this bull---- of lies? This outspoken woman was a representative in the House, and is not going to get elected again. The same with these big lying assed democrats.

Edit: Sorry for my behavior. But I can't stand people spreading their little false theories around especially accusing Bush of not reacting fast enough. Excuse me? EXCUSE ME?! Republicans are known for acting fast. They are also the ones that are known for ending wars.

[Archbob]

Guys, stop argueing, you know that conservatives and liberals will never agree on anything.

[syd]

So much for abstaining from political threads :p

[Giancarlo]

The polls and the majority of the American people do not want political bickering right now. People are trying to dethrone Bush from high ratings he has now, and the plan is already back firing on them.


Originally posted by syd
So much for abstaining from political threads :p

As you say: "Screw that"

[MN-Carl]

GC ,

you said you were not going to come in any polical threads of any kind

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cdudeuk18
GC ,

you said you were not going to come in any polical threads of any kind

Forget it. I see people tearing my beliefs and the people who I think are good to pieces and I must step in to defend that. I will not stand like a helpless puppy doing nothing. I will be the rottwelier in this.

[Owen]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Forget it. I see people tearing my beliefs and the people who I think are good to pieces and I must step in to defend that. I will not stand like a helpless puppy doing nothing. I will be the rottwelier in this.

GC. It isn't that they are tearing up your beliefs, but they are stating their own opinion on this matter. They aren't taking the opposite because you hold a certain opinion.

If just stating your beleifs is tearing up someone else's opinion, then you are doing the same to them. However, no one is really bashing someone else's belief till the flames start flying.

Participating in political threads is not bad, but when you start insulting other people because of their opinion is when you need to start backing off.

As for my opinion. I believe it could have been possible for Bush to have done something to prevent what happened. HOWEVER, I also beleive Clinton could have done something himself to prevent this, since he was the first person to get the reports. This "scandal" however, is a classic example of second guessing. Hindsight is 20/20 as I always say.

If there must be blame placed, it should be in the CIA and FBI for not uncovering this plot(however, the CIA has had budget cuts so it really isn't their fault) and the FAA for not having better security at the airports. However, that falls back on Washington to make plans to increase security. If there really was a report about possible plane bombings in the future, there could have been some action taken to increase security, before such an event could have occured.

However, I don't really beleive that there is anyone truly to blame in this tragedy, except for Osama and Al-Qaeda.

[Giancarlo]

I will tell you who is to blame: Clinton for cutting the budget for the FBI, NSA and CIA. And it wasn't until after the attacks that the Senate finally got Bush's national security and defense package passed.

And how could US Security Agencies investigate rumors that came up a month before the attacks when they were having thousands and utterly thousands of threats each day? People who complain don't really a frigging clue how many threats face the US.

For example, recently ten pounds (I think it was 10) of Sodium cyanide was found near a border checkpoint with Mexico. They know that there was supposed to be more there. Sodium Cyanide is the same stuff that makes C-4 Explosives but only a little is used. Now I want to ask you democrats this: How the hell is the US supposed to investigate every little thing? At the point when the very unsubstantiated rumors arised about terrorist hijacking planes there wasn't enough time to investigate.

By the way, I am happy now... this little plan has backfired on the democrats. The polls say so, and all of the republicans including some democrats are not joining this fiasco.

Edit: I won't be abled to get back with a response if anybody tries to respond to my message soon... maybe tomorrow, maybe later tonight... but don't count on it... I have a lot of work.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Bullcrap. There was no way the Bush adminstration could of saw it coming.

Bush administration officials have said the threats were so vague that they did not require tighter security. Nor did they envision a scenario similar to Sept. 11, when suicide terrorists turned fourcommercial airliners into missiles.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020519_999.html

Even vague threats should be acted upon IMHO.

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I will tell you who is to blame: Clinton for cutting the budget for the FBI, NSA and CIA. And it wasn't until after the attacks that the Senate finally got Bush's national security and defense package passed.

Nobody is to blame except those who dreamt this horrific scheme up, and those who went through with it - the pilots used by Bin Laden, and so on. And of course Bin Laden himself.

[Jan]

I was just watching a news report where they showed a film clip of OBL talking. There will be more terrorist attacks. But nobody knows where or when. :nervous:

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by Jan
I was just watching a news report where they showed a film clip of OBL talking. There will be more terrorist attacks. But nobody knows where or when. :nervous:

Well, certainly not in China. If you'll remember the APEC conferences shortly after the 9/11 attacks, some Muslims tried to enter Shanghai. Without any trial, China arrested them and threw them into jail.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan



http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20020519_999.html

Even vague threats should be acted upon IMHO.

Oh so every single threat should be acted upon?

My dad used to work for the Pentagon, and he told me the US is confronted with thousands and thousands of threats. Remember the US Cole Bombing? Or the two US Embassies? I guess not. That is why your argument is completely illogical. Also remember that one Algerian Guy that was arrested for attempting to launch some kind of terror operation in Los Angeles during New Years? You certainly don't look at the facts: The US can't look at every single threat, especially only three months before it could happen.

Next time learn what really happens before believing some stupid illogical democrat.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Oh so every single threat should be acted upon?

Every time Australia gets wind of a possible threat, security is tightened everywhere! A threat is a threat and should be acted upon.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

Every time Australia gets wind of a possible threat, security is tightened everywhere! A threat is a threat and should be acted upon.

Unfornately Australia doesn't even have close to the amount of people as in the US. And the US has many, many more possible targets for terrorists. So don't even start that crap. I also doubt Australia gets that many threats compared to the US. The US gets thousands and thousands, while Australia gets only a small fraction of that.

SO WRONG AGAIN.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
SO WRONG AGAIN.
I am VERY correct in that Australia steps up security when there is ANY doubts/threats.

What does it matter the population? The amount of threats? The FACT is they increase security!

Go and walk on the beach.....relax.....:classic2:

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Forget it. I see people tearing my beliefs and the people who I think are good to pieces and I must step in to defend that. I will not stand like a helpless puppy doing nothing. I will be the rottwelier in this.

Alas ...

Your word is now worthless ...

Lets see ... You have been warned about your attitude ..

AS we are playing football rules ... you'd be on a Yellow Card

Guess WHAT comes after 1 yellow ...#

RED ...

I can't believe how you have not been banned yet ... but give it time .. your constant flaming of other ppl ...

I've seen people go for less than what your doing .... i don't understand it :confused2

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

I am VERY correct in that Australia steps up security when there is ANY doubts/threats.

Irrevelant.



What does it matter the population? The amount of threats? The FACT is they increase security!

IT MATTERS A WHOLE LOT. The USA gets thousands and thousands of threats.

And so what if you increase security? Israel gets suicide bombers if they increase security or not.

Cdu, you provide nothing here. Leaving this thread is the best option.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Irrevelant.:
Why is it? Because our government cares more?




IT MATTERS A WHOLE LOT. The USA gets thousands and thousands of threats.

And so what if you increase security? Israel gets suicide bombers if they increase security or not.

Cdu, you provide nothing here. Leaving this thread is the best option. [/B]
We don't get suicide bombers....and USA get a lot more threats because of the population, we get few, the government is smaller, but they ACT!

And Carl was referring to this thread...
http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10089

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

Why is it? Because our government cares more?

The US Government has better security agencies such as the FBI, NSA and CIA. Cares more? Don't even try saying that. Sometimes things happen. So now what? You are going to blame the Spanish government for failing to stop ETA for bombing cars? No it was the ETA itself. The Government is trying all it can do.

You know you are just plain offensive.



We don't get suicide bombers....and USA get a lot more threats because of the population, we get few, the government is smaller, but they ACT!


You are not the center of attention so you get fewer threats, the US government has to work more on them because it actually has ships overseas that can be blown up along with thousands and thousands of other interests. I don't mean by little cargo vessels and patrol Frigates, but Destroyers and Aircraft Carriers it has to worry about. Not to mention military bases all over the world.

The US government on proportion acts more than any government in the world and there is no discussion about that.

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo

Cdu, you provide nothing here. Leaving this thread is the best option.

Take your own advise

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cdudeuk18


Take your own advise

You have no right to tell me to leave my own thread. Unacceptable.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
You know you are just plain offensive.

I am offensive?????????????????? :whatthe:



You are not the center of attention so you get fewer threats, the US government has to work more on them because it actually has ships overseas that can be blown up along with thousands and thousands of other interests. I don't mean by little cargo vessels and patrol Frigates, but Destroyers and Aircraft Carriers it has to worry about. Not to mention military bases all over the world.

The US government on proportion acts more than any government in the world and there is no discussion about that
yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaa......GC knows nothing about our navy and military!!!! :p

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan

I am offensive?????????????????? :whatthe:

Yes you are.



yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaa......GC knows nothing about our navy and military!!!! :p

Believe me I know....

http://www.hazegray.org

The US has 12 or was it 14 aircraft carriers..... you have zero. The other amounts of ships is just massive.... massive surface and submarine fleets.

You got 6 Perry Frigates, 4 or 5 Anzac Patrol Frigates (Useless for overseas operations), and about 6 Submarines.

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


You have no right to tell me to leave my own thread. Unacceptable.

And you own this thread :confused2

You may be the creator

but you've created this thread on a public forum with public viewing allowed and member partisapation (?sp) .

I am a member i have the right to partisapate (?sp)

[Giancarlo]

Yes, but you have no right to tell me to leave. Thusly your entire post shows your hypocrisy.

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Yes, but you have no right to tell me to leave. Thusly your entire post shows your hypocrisy.

Where did i tell you to leave :confused2

I'm not the one constantly rowing with each and every member who dares to say something which you do not agree with

and i have to comment

That your describing yourself

Your posts clash different views with each other

So its ok for you to advise me to leave .. but its not ok for me to say take your own advise

Interesting

[Jan]

If it wasn't my bedtime I would give some things to mull over while you are at school.......

Why do you think I am offensive BTW? :confused:

[Giancarlo]

Cdu: Speak clearly and make your point.

My posts only present one side of the argument.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Jan
Why do you think I am offensive BTW? :confused: [/B]

Firstly, by saying that the US government doesn't care as much as the Australian government. The fact is they do.

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Cdu: Speak clearly and make your point.

My posts only present one side of the argument.

I don't mean to point out the obvious ...

i'm not speaking .. i am typing / printing my view on this forum in the forum of text

The text i am printing is english and is 100% fully undersandable by those of us who read english as the major subject

I got a A+ in my GCSE tests for English ... are you trying to tell me that my english is not good ??

IF so you a madly mistaken ...

That was a major insult to myself ... and if i was to act like yourself i would flame to you hell .... or worse ... however whereby you are not someone who seems to think before they type about what will happen after you post ...

i DO .. i am not going to flame you but to point out some bare facts

1. YOU are not the cleverest on this board
2. YOU are so close to getting banned
3. YOU are so up yourself ( to put it simply )
4. YOU think you are the best at everything and that everyone else is your lesser

Reality check here !!

[conkermaniac]

Hey cdudeuk,

Don't bother telling him all that stuff; he's just going to ignore him. We've told him that a million times and he still hasn't learned. Sad, isn't it? :rolleyes:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by cdudeuk18

i'm not speaking .. i am typing / printing my view on this forum in the forum of text

Then at least make your posts coherent.



The text i am printing is english and is 100% fully undersandable by those of us who read english as the major subject

I can't understand it because it isn't coherent.



I got a A+ in my GCSE tests for English ... are you trying to tell me that my english is not good ??

The fact is your english isn't good, but that is not what is at hand here.


That was a major insult to myself ... and if i was to act like yourself i would flame to you hell .... or worse ... however whereby you are not someone who seems to think before they type about what will happen after you post ...

Please be coherent. I can't understand many of your posts.



1. YOU are not the cleverest on this board

Then who is?



2. YOU are so close to getting banned

Am I screaming? Am I saying obscene words? NO!

You need to get a reality check. But I don't have time to respond to any more of this.... :mad:

[MN-Carl]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Then at least make your posts coherent.



I can't understand it because it isn't coherent.



The fact is your english isn't good, but that is not what is at hand here.



Please be coherent. I can't understand many of your posts.



Then who is?



Am I screaming? Am I saying obscene words? NO!

You need to get a reality check. But I don't have time to respond to any more of this.... :mad:

English test here

English is my first language i got extreamly high grades in my GCSE tests

We speak proper english GC .. here in england

Notice

Eng-land
Eng-lish

Have a nice day

My words are pure and truthful and straight to the point

I'm not even going to bother to go into what you must be on :confused2

[Jan]

But I don't have time to respond to any more of this....
Closing time I think..if anyone sees a just reason why it should be re-opened please PM webdude! :p