[Merged] InvisionBoard B1 released today [Archive]

wm2k1

May 16th, 2002, 08:38

Originally posted by LastActionHero

Check the server load figure on the bottom. It was 1.75 which is pretty high by server standards. It should stay below 0.5. This might indicate the board is a resource hog (if there are no other scripts running on the server)
The server load I'm getting is only from the range of .6 to .72

LastActionHero

May 16th, 2002, 08:47

Well I just got a 1.06. Maybe it cannot handle high number of visitors. So more visitors -> more server load?

cheatpark

May 16th, 2002, 09:13

On ibforums.com I saw it go up to 1.99. They have about 100 members online.

ashben

May 16th, 2002, 11:34

Let's not forget it's still in beta.

GregT

May 16th, 2002, 16:35

Invisionboard b1 was just realeased :)

http://invisionboard.com

DCI

May 16th, 2002, 20:38

http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26317

Your late.

dawizman

May 16th, 2002, 21:25

weird, when I was there, it said 3 users online and I got a 0.10000

[EDIT] when I was there alone I got 0.05300

The Red Guy

May 17th, 2002, 01:45

Error: mySQL query error: SELECT p.*, m.location,m.id,m.name,m.mgroup, ,m.email,m.joined,m.avatar,m.avatar_size,m.posts,m.aim_name, m.icq_number,m.signature, m.website,m.yahoo,m.title,m.hide_email,m.msnname, g.g_id, g.g_title, g.g_icon FROM ibf_posts p, ibf_members m, ibf_groups g WHERE p.topic_id='1' and p.queued !='1' AND p.author_id=m.id AND g.g_id=m.mgroup ORDER BY p.pid LIMIT 0, 15

MySQL error: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'm.email,m.joined,m.avatar,m.avatar_size,m.posts,m.aim_name, m.icq_number,m.signat' at line 2 I got this error when i tried to view a post.

Add: Installing IBForums. Is it really only uploading the install.php? Too easy to be true!

The Red Guy

May 17th, 2002, 02:19

I must say that I'm very very impressed with IBForums beta 1. It is simply nice. I'd rate it above phpbb 2, if not for the fact that it is after all a beta version. However, for those who don't have the cash to buy vb, try IBForums first before thinking about phpbb 2.

conkermaniac

May 17th, 2002, 04:16

Geez...that board looks almost exactly like Ikonboard, in features, layout, and even some buttons. I have yet to see what the posting screen looks like, but I can predict that it will look A LOT like Ikonboard's. I'll let you know what I think.

Anyway, I got a 0.30 server load and there were something like 50 users online when I was there.

The Red Guy

May 17th, 2002, 04:23

Originally posted by conkermaniac
Geez...that board looks almost exactly like Ikonboard, in features, layout, and even some buttons. I have yet to see what the posting screen looks like, but I can predict that it will look A LOT like Ikonboard's. I'll let you know what I think.

Anyway, I got a 0.30 server load and there were something like 50 users online when I was there. It is blistering fast, I can tell you honestly. I didn't quite like it at first, but now where am I standing now?

Conker: (This is not an insult!) Please do not think or self proclaim or in any way think or act as if you are a guru and you can criticise most of the boards. Note that boards are better known for their functions, not looks. This sums it all.

AsianDOC

May 17th, 2002, 04:23

Originally posted by conkermaniac
Geez...that board looks almost exactly like Ikonboard, in features, layout, and even some buttons. I have yet to see what the posting screen looks like, but I can predict that it will look A LOT like Ikonboard's. I'll let you know what I think.

Anyway, I got a 0.30 server load and there were something like 50 users online when I was there. *sigh*, you do know it's created by the same guy that create ikonboard right? People have a kind of "style", and it's hard to change it.

I think that the new style although has some links in the same place as ikonboard is quite different.

Let's not get into this again, IB = Matt. IBF = Matt.

The Red Guy

May 17th, 2002, 04:26

Originally posted by Asian_DOC
*sigh*, you do know it's created by the same guy that create ikonboard right? People have a kind of "style", and it's hard to change it.

I think that the new style although has some links in the same place as ikonboard is quite different.

Let's not get into this again, IB = Matt. IBF = Matt. That's not true. Almost every board looks like vb and even IB is included. However, everyone does have his own style, and some parts do resemble ib.

Jan

May 17th, 2002, 04:29

Originally posted by conkermaniac
I have yet to see what the posting screen looks like, but I can predict that it will look A LOT like Ikonboard's.

It looks much the same as the posting screen here :) I can do a screen dump if you wish. I am a member at one of these boards (as of today) :)

LastActionHero

May 17th, 2002, 04:29

Originally posted by The Red Guy
That's not true. Almost every board looks like vb and even IB is included. However, everyone does have his own style, and some parts do resemble ib.

Correction : Almost every board looks like UBB, even vB. UBB was the original which invented the current look all the boards have.

Warp

May 17th, 2002, 04:30

Arent all the "modern" boards based on UBB?

conkermaniac

May 17th, 2002, 04:37

Originally posted by Asian_DOC
*sigh*, you do know it's created by the same guy that create ikonboard right? People have a kind of "style", and it's hard to change it.

I think that the new style although has some links in the same place as ikonboard is quite different.

Let's not get into this again, IB = Matt. IBF = Matt.

I'm not stupid. I obviously know that the creators are the same. However, that does not in one bit justify why IBForums looks just like Ikonboard. This was the same guy that had coded the original versions of IB, as well. And those did not look a thing like Ikonboard. Clearly, it has NOTHING to do with his style. He's just lazy. :rolleyes:

conkermaniac

May 17th, 2002, 04:40

Originally posted by Warp
Arent all the "modern" boards based on UBB?

Yep, they are. It seems like there are a only a few main types of boards: linear w/ table (UBB), linear w/o table, threaded (WWWBoards), linear/threaded (Boardmaster), and non-threaded (Yahoo Groups! and BBS).

The Red Guy

May 17th, 2002, 04:41

Originally posted by conkermaniac
He's just lazy. :rolleyes: Again, you're being biased. You judge him for his former creation ib and that is something I can understand. You have to give others a second chance. I was not in favour of ibforums at first but after that, I'm in full suport of it.

The Red Guy

May 17th, 2002, 04:43

Originally posted by Warp
Arent all the "modern" boards based on UBB? They are. However, everyone made improvisions on UBB and thus it is now not as popular as vb.

AsianDOC

May 17th, 2002, 21:39

Originally posted by conkermaniac

I'm not stupid. I obviously know that the creators are the same. However, that does not in one bit justify why IBForums looks just like Ikonboard. This was the same guy that had coded the original versions of IB, as well. And those did not look a thing like Ikonboard. Clearly, it has NOTHING to do with his style. He's just lazy. :rolleyes: By style I mean how he place some of the stuff, e.g. board statistics at the bottom. It is a format that he finds "optimum", and that is why he keeps it. The default style also looks different to ikonboard, only with the same format, you could say that it looks like vB. All in all, the the "default" format of most modern board are similiar.

It is obvious that you HATE invisionboard for one reason or another. And you can him lazy, then I'd like to see you create a default style that nearly everyone will like but resembles NO OTHER board right now. No, not just "skinning" it, but change the whole format. GOOD LUCK.

Warp

May 17th, 2002, 22:16

Acutally.. if you DISLIKE the layout so much.... why dont you redo it? Just like you can with vB.....

Another question is.. why change the look of something that *works* already?

trenzterra

May 18th, 2002, 01:19

Originally posted by The Red Guy
I must say that I'm very very impressed with IBForums beta 1. It is simply nice. I'd rate it above phpbb 2, if not for the fact that it is after all a beta version. However, for those who don't have the cash to buy vb, try IBForums first before thinking about phpbb 2. you can't customise it alot however.

Many people are still finding ways to center the top image.

The Red Guy

May 18th, 2002, 02:09

Originally posted by trenzterra
you can't customise it alot however.
The directories are a bit confusing. It's a weak point, but hey the good points more than outweigh the bad ones.

conkermaniac

May 18th, 2002, 05:09

Originally posted by Asian_DOC
By style I mean how he place some of the stuff, e.g. board statistics at the bottom. It is a format that he finds "optimum", and that is why he keeps it. The default style also looks different to ikonboard, only with the same format, you could say that it looks like vB. All in all, the the "default" format of most modern board are similiar.

It is obvious that you HATE invisionboard for one reason or another. And you can him lazy, then I'd like to see you create a default style that nearly everyone will like but resembles NO OTHER board right now. No, not just "skinning" it, but change the whole format. GOOD LUCK.

But you still haven't proven anything. It looks just like Ikonboard. Do you see phpBB or WBB have the same format of displaying the "last post"? Has phpBB or WBB used the same format of having the board statistics show the members online, birthdays, and statistics in the EXACT same order at the bottom? Not to mention pretty much the same things. And the same textbox style at the bottom of each topic listing table saying "Showing x of y topics sorted by "whatever" in "whatever order" from the last z days"? And while we're at it, what about the SAME emoticons, the same positioning of the buttons above and below each post, the statistics of each user in the left column of every post, etc.? Do phpBB and WBB all have the SAME positioning? To be different from what IBForums has done to Ikonboard, all I would have to do is create a similar template that follows no other particular board.

The Red Guy

May 18th, 2002, 05:16

Originally posted by conkermaniac

To be different from what IBForums has done to Ikonboard, all I would have to do is create a similar template that follows no other particular board. You'll have to change some of the coding too.

conkermaniac

May 18th, 2002, 05:34

Originally posted by The Red Guy
You'll have to change some of the coding too.

Huh? He just challenged me to design a template that people would enjoy and was totally different than any other board. However, I am not obliged to do so, as IBForums totally ripped off of Ikonboard. I don't care if it's the same person. I've seen boards designed by the same person that are TOTALLY different. There is no excuse for laziness.

Warp

May 18th, 2002, 06:54

Originally posted by conkermaniac

But you still haven't proven anything. It looks just like Ikonboard. Do you see phpBB or WBB have the same format of displaying the "last post"? Has phpBB or WBB used the same format of having the board statistics show the members online, birthdays, and statistics in the EXACT same order at the bottom? Not to mention pretty much the same things. And the same textbox style at the bottom of each topic listing table saying "Showing x of y topics sorted by "whatever" in "whatever order" from the last z days"? And while we're at it, what about the SAME emoticons, the same positioning of the buttons above and below each post, the statistics of each user in the left column of every post, etc.? Do phpBB and WBB all have the SAME positioning? To be different from what IBForums has done to Ikonboard, all I would have to do is create a similar template that follows no other particular board.

Graphics I believe are done by another person.. who also did them for Ikonboard......

Both boards programmed by the same team.. of course they will be similar....

And its not a matter of "lazyiness" its also because of what the USERS WANT.

Stop nit picking....

Because if you keep nit picking... you are just lazzzyyy...... (should change your style....)

Warp

May 18th, 2002, 06:56

Originally posted by conkermaniac

Huh? He just challenged me to design a template that people would enjoy and was totally different than any other board. However, I am not obliged to do so, as IBForums totally ripped off of Ikonboard. I don't care if it's the same person. I've seen boards designed by the same person that are TOTALLY different. There is no excuse for laziness.

Different Audience I suppose???

IBF has the same audience of Ikonboard... People liked the ikonboard look... so why change it and confuse ppl?

Thats another reason why phpBB2 SUCKS ROTTEN APPLES - post topic etc are on the left....... they should have put them on the right hand side....

Chris2k2

May 18th, 2002, 07:15

Yeah but u can easy change the buttons side.

I like both boards anyway cos i think they are both good.

AsianDOC

May 18th, 2002, 08:06

Originally posted by conkermaniac
IBForums totally ripped off of Ikonboard. I don't care if it's the same person.:rolleyes: I TOTALLY understand you now.

conkermaniac

May 18th, 2002, 08:09

Originally posted by Asian_DOC
:rolleyes: I TOTALLY understand you now.

Well, maybe if you bothered to read my post, you'd understand.

murat

May 18th, 2002, 08:09

hey its no bad

conkermaniac

May 18th, 2002, 08:29

Originally posted by murat
hey its no bad

It's a great board! But I'm just saying that it literally ripped off of Ikonboard. Anybody that says they do not like Ikonboard's features and layout would be a hypocrite if they said that IBForums looked wonderful. But then again, I think people hate Ikonboard more for being such a resource hog.

AsianDOC

May 18th, 2002, 09:33

Originally posted by conkermaniac

Well, maybe if you bothered to read my post, you'd understand. I did. Do not assume.

Ok, now I will tell you the differences between ikonboard and ibforums:

* The post icons (in the posting page) is located near the bottom instead of the the top.

* "< Next Oldest | Next Newest >" is located on the left not the right

* Inclusion of "Track this topic | Email this topic | Print this topic" in the top right

* Inclusion of Member number on posts

* The keys (ones that show you what each envelope means) are in a different way.

* "Mark this forum as read" is next to the "Topic Title" heading instead of at the bottom of the page.

* Board statistics are worded differently"

* Addition of "Today's Birthday" heading

* "New posts" next to "Log Out" is replaced by "New messages"

* Addition of: "The moderating team" "Todays active topics" "Todays top 10 posters" "Overall top 10 posters" on the main page.

* Different style memberCP

* For the member list, the criteria function for it is located below instead of above.

conkermaniac

May 18th, 2002, 10:05

OK, you provided an incredibly weak argument in your list of features (most of them were so minor that they could never be considered). Well, I already accept that there are a lot of differences. However, it's not the lack of differences that surprises and shocks me. It's the number of similarities. As I look at the post screen, despite the rearrangement of the posticons section, the posticons/emoticons are the exact same! Surely it can't be that hard to design a new set! That's in addition to the features I have listed already.

AsianDOC

May 18th, 2002, 10:36

Sure the smilies look similiar, but they are different. Do you expect a :) to look like a :(?

If you look closely ARE different despite looking similar. Oh, the vBulletin smilies here look similiar also.

I can't beat you in this argument, why? Because you seem to the like opposite.

E.g.,
I don't care about the differences, look at the smilarities.
I don't care it's the same person. He ripped himself off. :D

Oh, btw, the member profile page is different too, but it can't be considered because it's too minor.

Just for the record: The number of similiaries between vBulletin and ikonboard (and most other modern boards) SHOCK me too! http://forums.drcorp.net/html/emoticons/wow.gif

trenzterra

May 18th, 2002, 21:14

Anyway I find IBForums really hard to customise.

biggulp

May 19th, 2002, 00:00

why? do they have templates?

The Red Guy

May 19th, 2002, 01:59

Originally posted by biggulp
why? do they have templates? No, the html is all over the place. PHPBB2's template system is better.

Moonman

May 19th, 2002, 06:04

Am i the only one getting Internal Server Errors??

AsianDOC

May 19th, 2002, 06:58

No.

LastActionHero

May 19th, 2002, 07:13

Which site? IBForums? It's fine here.

BTW the forum's search feature is super duper slow. Is it really using mySQL? :rolleyes:

AsianDOC

May 19th, 2002, 08:05

Oh, the main site doesn't work, but the forum does, http://www.invisionboard.com/forums/

Seems pretty fast for me though.

silverstarfish

May 19th, 2002, 13:19

Originally posted by conkermaniac

I'm not stupid. I obviously know that the creators are the same. However, that does not in one bit justify why IBForums looks just like Ikonboard. This was the same guy that had coded the original versions of IB, as well. And those did not look a thing like Ikonboard. Clearly, it has NOTHING to do with his style. He's just lazy. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, but why do you think you have the right to be so critical of someone's work? Have you made a bulletin board script of this magnitude on your own before? Do you absolutely have to bash every board that comes your way? Why not add the good points before the bad ones and be a little more positive? Or are you so obsessed with Aimoo that you can't say anything positive about anything else? Calling someone lazy won't get you anywhere. The guy has a full-time job, give him a little respect!

Andre

May 19th, 2002, 13:54

Originally posted by conkermaniac

...what about the SAME emoticons, the same positioning of the buttons above and below each post, the statistics of each user in the left column of every post, etc.?

Hmm.. as far as I know we have remade emoticons from absolute scratch, they might look as the old ones, but that's because we like that style, anything wrong with liking particular style?. Also, the smileys at Ikonboard are new as well.
The buttons in posts? Well, is that a crime to have the same positioning of them?
Statistics of the user in each post. Hmm, I don't see how it resebles the Ikonboard look. It doesn't even have the same position of the info.

Besides, it's all just a skin. Don't like it? Just take your ideas and your creativity and make something better that won't look like aything else around. Is that so really hard?

dmbtech

May 19th, 2002, 14:11

Can't goto there website:
505
"Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@invisionpower.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request"
Any other download site?

silverstarfish

May 19th, 2002, 16:33

Originally posted by dmbtech
Can't goto there website:
505
"Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@invisionpower.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request"
Any other download site?

http://www.invisionboard.com/forums/

Warp

May 19th, 2002, 23:18

Originally posted by dmbtech
Can't goto there website:
505

http://www.invisionboard.com/ is working fine for me....

The Red Guy

May 20th, 2002, 01:40

Originally posted by silverstarfish

http://www.invisionboard.com/forums/ It is only needed for the forums. Maybe try refreshing?

AlieXai

May 20th, 2002, 03:28

From sources/Search.php

| The other downside to such a feature would be the overhaul needed to update it
| with new posts/topics and topic movement / deletion.
|
| I figure that people post more than they search, so a full table scan once per
| search request is offset against the CPU to keep the search log tables up to date
|
| I'm going to stick my neck out and go the full table scan route. It's not as effecient
| as a search table would be, but the benefits include no overhead updating it, and a smaller
| overall DB size - which is vital to some people on certain hosts.
|
| This may change if it becomes apparent that it's not very efficient in the long run

This is the single reason why i'm not going to use IBForum on any of the message boards I manage. Petty? Maybe...

The Red Guy

May 20th, 2002, 05:08

Originally posted by AlieXai
From sources/Search.php

This is the single reason why i'm not going to use IBForum on any of the message boards I manage. Petty? Maybe... That's not serious at all. You use a bb for posting messages and not for searching. Besides, speed is more important than searching.

LastActionHero

May 20th, 2002, 06:38

That is serious. No wonder the search was slow. Searches are as important as posts. And if a member is put off by slow searches and long waits he would move to another forum , I certainely would. Oh well, it's Beta 1 let's hope a more efficient search routine is built.

AlieXai

May 20th, 2002, 06:56

> That's not serious at all. You use a bb for posting messages
> and not for searching.

Not serious? Your local script-kiddie could drive the server load through the roof by pushing refresh a couple of dozen times (really fast) after submitting a search. Matt knows this. IBF is definately not a good solution for "busy" forums.

> Besides, speed is more important than searching.

On the IBF support forum, it took 22 seconds to generate the results page when I searched for "phpBB". I'm assuming you don't use search much, so you don't care about the speed of the search system or the types of effects it could have on a server/community.

conkermaniac

May 21st, 2002, 06:00

Originally posted by The Red Guy
You use a bb for posting messages

Yeah, I think it's quite evident that you use a message board for posting messages. And searching is probably less important than being able to post or reply. Since you are criticizing the true value of the "search" function of boards, why don't you say the same about everything else that does not include posting and replying? Like avatars, admin CPs, member's lists, signatures, profiles, registration, post counts, member rankings, some of the features above/below each message in a thread, or even MODERATING A BOARD! I've heard you complain about such "minor" problems in other boards, and nobody responded in the way that you did.