9cy.com Now a 0catch partner!

[Matt8]

This totally sucks. I went to 9cy.com to see if i could login to my account yet and now they are a 0Catch partner?!

[Cracker]

What!? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet another once great free host down the ----ter!!!!!!!!! WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE DAMN 0CATCH CO-BRANDS!!!!!! SELLOUT!!!!!!!! I'D RATHER SEE 9CY DEAD THAN BECOME ANOTHER 0CATCH!!! DON'T YOU PEOPLE REALIZE 0CATCH TOTALLY SUCKS --- WITH THEIR STUPID 20 MB DAILY TRANSFER LIMIT? SURE, YOU GET 100 MB SPACE THERE, BUT WHAT'S THE POINT IF NOBODY CAN SEE YOUR SITE!!?

[Matt8]

I know. I thought 9cy was the best free host out there, and they were until now. I guess they figure people should go to the paid server, but they got me way to p*ssed off to have anything to do with 9cy from now on.

[Cracker]

Yeah, even T35 seems better than 9cy now. T35 may be having its problems, but they don't solve them by pulling a gay stunt like 9cy is doing - 9cy is taking the coward's way out.

[9cy]

So realy what your saying is I should delete all the pages and just have a 404 page for advertising. Somehow I think users would be more annoyed at that. Only reason you are against 0catch is because of there bandwidth limit. No other reason. Well I would have to point out that out of the 9000 users very few go over that limit. That still leaves alot of happy customers.

Taking the cowards way out I have been self funding that server for the past 5 months on top of which I and other admins have spent countless hours dealing with abuse.

One of the main reasons for doing this is because of people's persistance in complaining about advertising only way to keep that service was advertising it broke even.

Basicly you call me a sellout but If I was to email all my users I can safely say 99% of them want to keep there website online.

As for accessing your account you should still be seeing the 9cy.com normal page with normal login the 0catch partnership hasn't started yet we just have some glitchs in dns

[jmiller]

9cy isn't taking the cowards way out.
Its just the safe way, which is far better than him just shutting down the service completely.
Alot more people would be upset if 9cy.com went offline instead of just switching over to 0Catch.
This is very off topic but i'd just like to say I hate it when people use the term "gay" in a bad context. :angry2:

[Cracker]

Originally posted by 9cy
Taking the cowards way out I have been self funding that server for the past 5 months on top of which I and other admins have spent countless hours dealing with abuse.


Big deal! Crosswinds.net has suffered this at least three times as long, and as much as they suck because of it, they still haven't shut down or become a 0catch sellout; no, instead, they continue to stand their ground and not back down! Running a (somewhat) great free host CAN be possible without co-branding.


Originally posted by 9cy
So realy what your saying is I should delete all the pages and just have a 404 page for advertising. Somehow I think users would be more annoyed at that. Only reason you are against 0catch is because of there bandwidth limit. No other reason. Well I would have to point out that out of the 9000 users very few go over that limit. That still leaves alot of happy customers.


Yeah, well, I'm still 100% against co-brands! If I wanted to use 0catch, I would have signed up for an account directly from the original 0catch.com . I know the only reason that you won't delete members' sites is because they'll lose their URL's, but many of us who use free hosting (including me) are smart enough to use free URL redirection as well in the event that this happens. If the user does not, it's his or her fault for being stupid and actually trusting that he or she will be able to stick with the same free host for the life of his or her site (yeah, the idea of this happening is laughable).

As for the bandwidth, although it seems somewhat believable that my site could stay within the limits, I don't want to take that chance - another good South Park site, currently located at http://sp24-7.harbucks.com/ , once tried 0catch, and many visitors to his site complained about the site being down for bandwidth exceeded, so who knows if that will happen to my site as well!?

[jmiller]

True, cobranding does get annoying.
I find it pointless, especially with 0Catch.
They seem to be preying upon dying hosts such as Virtue and Envy. As soon as those hosts struggled 0catch came along and sucked them in :(
But at least 9cy is good enough to continue with its services.

[Cracker]

Originally posted by jmiller

They seem to be preying upon dying hosts such as Virtue and Envy. As soon as those hosts struggled 0catch came along and sucked them in :(


Yes, that's why one should ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS use free URL forwarding if one is using free webhosting. That way, in case one's free host pulls a stunt like this, one can just change the URL the promoted URL points to, and it will be seamless to one's site's visitors. The main rule on the internet is: DON'T TRUST ANYBODY!!!

[Archbob]

Damn, I'm glad I switch to paid hosting.

[YUPAPA]

what's a 0catch?

[YUPAPA]

OH... when I go to 9cy, it takes me to 0catch!
Why??

[Cracker]

Originally posted by YUPAPA
what's a 0catch?

LOL

[EpidemiK]

Originally posted by Cracker


LOL
isnt 0catch a host? whats so bad about it?

[Belgiumdude]

Ocatch is 1 of the badest hosts ever..look people post a poll,and you will see...almost evryone will vote against Ocatch....they just suck.....

[keith]

from 1,000 terabytes of transfer to 600 megs... decent leap feature-wise.

[Cracker]

Originally posted by Belgiumdude
Ocatch is 1 of the badest hosts ever..look people post a poll,and you will see...almost evryone will vote against Ocatch....they just suck.....

Yes, mainly because of the bandwidth control. That and the rumor that they tend to delete legit members' sites without warning.

[conkermaniac]

I am one of the admins at 9cy, and I am actually 100% against this move. However, I think that Paul's decision was a wise one. He wouldn't have been able to keep up the generous offer he was already allowing for long. I would bet you...if Paul could make a profit (or at least break even) by running 9cy as it was before, he would do it for sure. However, he suffered debts, like most other free hosts (*cough* host.sk *cough*), and they were amounting. 0Catch was the only way to go...

BTW, I'm not so much against the 600 MB bandwidth limit. It's these things that worry me:

1 MB file size limit (this is just sad...HTML files can be bigger sometimes)
20 MB daily bandwidth (even unpopular sites can have occasional bursts of popularity)

[Cracker]

Originally posted by conkermaniac
1 MB file size limit (this is just sad...HTML files can be bigger sometimes)

What!? I have yet to see such an HTML file. The largest file on my site is only 131 kb (134,776 bytes), and it's a .wav file.



20 MB daily bandwidth (even unpopular sites can have occasional bursts of popularity)

Precisely. Not to mention if they only had a monthly transfer limit, I could just sign up for one account on each of the various 0catch partners, so that in the event one 600 mb transfer limit runs out, I can just switch to another, and so on. Too bad that plan won't work on a daily bandwidth limit free host, as I'm not going to go through that much trouble.

One last thing - what's 9cy going to do if 0catch pulls an "Excelland" and causes 9cy to disappear with a lot of other "free hosts?" Partner with Portland!?

[alexbegurl]

AT LEAST THE ADMIN's ARE BEING HONEST

[YUPAPA]

I SEE. So 9cy is now a 0catch??
Howcome 9cy doesn't change the front page?? that confused me!

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by YUPAPA
I SEE. So 9cy is now a 0catch??
Howcome 9cy doesn't change the front page?? that confused me!

For the same reason f2g.net doesn't look like portland.co.uk. :)

Or do you mean changing the features list on the main page?

[Cracker]

Originally posted by conkermaniac
He wouldn't have been able to keep up the generous offer he was already allowing for long. I would bet you...if Paul could make a profit (or at least break even) by running 9cy as it was before, he would do it for sure. However, he suffered debts, like most other free hosts (*cough* host.sk *cough*), and they were amounting. 0Catch was the only way to go...


Why can't Paul just use revenues from 9cy.net paid hosting to foot the free hosting like what Crosswinds.net is doing? If Crosswinds.net can foot an unmetered space/transfer/file size free host with revenues from a $4.99/month paid service offering basically the same things just with no pop-ups and some other features as well as with revenues from the pop-up ads on the free sites, don't you think 9cy could foot a 100 mb webspace/1 mb file size limit/1000 gb transfer with revenues from his more limited (and somewhat more expensive) paid plans? Is he afraid that he won't get paid users if the paid users hear that he's footing a free service with their money? Yes, it may be tough to do such a thing, and it may be a long road, but you can either be a hero or a zero(catch). The choice is ultimately up to you.

[jmiller]

Conkermaniac, do you mean an HTML file that is 1mb NOT including images and such but just raw HTML?
I too am yet to see such a file.
The only time I've ever seen a single html even close to that size was a movie script, and it was only 500kb

[conkermaniac]

Sorry, I got confused...I was thinking of an HTML file including all the images on the page. Never mind...

[jmiller]

Alright, I was just curious as I myself have never seen such a large HTML file before. :rolleyes:

[YUPAPA]

Originally posted by conkermaniac


For the same reason f2g.net doesn't look like portland.co.uk. :)

Or do you mean changing the features list on the main page?

No what i meant is when i go to 9cy, i see a big logo saying 0catcher co-brand... can't 9cy change the front page to 9cy instead of using 0catcher logo??

[Matt8]

Im confushed:confused:

Now 9cy.com takes it to the old site with 100mb and 1,000 gb transfer! Maybe they changed their mind about stupid 0catch!

conker-since u know quite a bit about 9cy since you are a mod their, could u fill us in on what really is going on?!

[98125]

0catch is terrible, been there, done that, got a list of problems. I posted them on here sometime in the past.

Mullin

[jmiller]

Yeah I originally used them for my domain (access-failure.net) when i first registered it and had nothing but problems.
The ads were doing really strange things and the dns only half-worked after it had been changed for four days.
Very bizarre.

[Cracker]

Originally posted by Matt8
Im confushed:confused:

Now 9cy.com takes it to the old site with 100mb and 1,000 gb transfer! Maybe they changed their mind about stupid 0catch!


Now, 9cy.com goes to the 0catch.com partner layout site with 100 mb and 20 mb daily transfer. I hope they did change their minds about stupid 0catch, but I'm not banking on it.

[trenzterra]

http://www.9cy.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=624 they are not giving up.

[we647]

what gets me just the other week they were offering 500 megs of space. im sure this was in the works before that was posted.

why even offer that when they knew they couldnt handle it. im sure some people took some time uploadingalot of files just to lose them a week later

[Cracker]

I think his "upgrade" was just "bait" to get his free users to "switch" to 9cy.net paid hosting.

[9cy]

Well it seems so many people speculate without cause.

Firstly 9cy.com was losing money and 9cy.net could not support it. There was only 2 out of the 8000 members who actually upgraded to 9cy.net. Never the less this was not the main reason for moving

1. Most people continually complain about popups etc.

2. I had a hell of alot of admining to do at least 15 hours a week spent looking over sites etc. I didn't mind this but I was paying for the pleasure. Like conkermanic said If I could break even and keep it running I would.

3. If 9cy.net was making enough money to fund 9cy.com I would fund it, It doesn't people don't sign up for the paid hosting from freehosting. Theres no point in trying to people won't downgrade there bandwidth from 'unlimited' to a limited value mainly even though they will never use it.

4. 0catch approached me at a time when I had experianced troubles with abuse and a server attack basicly they take all the problems away. If 0catch hadn't of done this 9cy.com would have done one of 2 things... Died very slowly and the domain redirected away somewhere or I would have had to kill the features I offered.

5. Oh and search's on google and the like show that most people are not using url redirection when they are using our service's Granted a fair few do but most do not. Most members just have a personal page which they update from time to time and only have 10 - 20 a week visitors. These are the majority of accounts now if there page suddenly went missing htey would be very upest.


As much as the features are limited they will manage for other people well..... As for using a cobrand well 95% of members won't be able to tell the difference thats the simple fact's the reason we pointed to 0catch page's was due to some dns problems that should be resolved soon.

[The_ReVenger]

Ok that you became a co-brand ok, and that you changed space to 100mb, also ok. Well but I have one question, why don't you just keep some extra features, altough you are a 0catch partner you don't have to have the exact same features as them will you ? Because if you have, i don't see the matter of holding 9cy.com if 0catch is exactly the same ?! Why don't you say at 9cy.com it's 2gb bandwith limit with PHP, well everybody happy and you also :P, think about it