1900 Worthless and Pennyless africans dead

[Toefur]

In recent news, 1,900 Africans died of Malaria whilst you were asleep last night.

[Akalon]

...dude.... no one cares!! :rolleyes: :D

[Toefur]

That's exactly my point :)

[invisionz]

And thats exactly what the problem is..

While our countries talk about attacking Iraq etc..

Do you know how much missles cost? millions..

They could spend this money on helping fellow human beings instead of pursuing their own lusts.


Originally posted by Akalon
...dude.... no one cares!! :rolleyes: :D

[Blank Verse]

I saw a comedian talking about this kind of thing, but he was pretty accurate in his comments.

"the world is a messed up place. We have our priorities mixed up. For 69 cents, an American family can sponsor a starving child in Ethiopia, and see this child gets fed, etc, etc...now at the same time, we willingly pay $2.99 a minute for someone to talk dirty to us. See, if we can get these starving children to talk dirty to us, we might have a solution here"

[conkermaniac]

If George Bush would give up on wiping out terrorism (which is impossible), he could give at least $5 billion in aid to these starving African people. And it would make no difference to the American taxpayers.

I was watching a documentary on Malawi. The pregnant women who have diseases can't even get cured because adequate medicine for just one person would cost as much as the monthly salary of their president. :(

[}:8) Supermoo]

Originally posted by Toefur
In recent news, 1,900 Africans died of Malaria whilst you were asleep last night.

That certainly soaked up a lot of media coverage... :confused2

[anhedonia]

Originally posted by Akalon
...dude.... no one cares!! :rolleyes: :D

I care...

Our priorities are whacked. While we sit here, enjoying people's comments at a discussion forum, there are children dying and starving. You know those World Vision ads? God, they make me want to cry. We need to do something. We need to realise that there are families out there who really need our help. It's what, $1 a day to sponsor a child? What excuse is there for those in regular employment to not sponsor a child? Most people can afford to spare $1 a day.

Sadly enough, there are also people who do not care. I see them everyday. They really do not give a damn about anyone outside their protected, safe little bubbles.

[Akalon]

I usually would care, but lately I couldn't give two ----s about anyone else but me. Life is one big pain in the ---. Those dying fools in Africa should be glad to die... they're only going to live a pathetic, depressed, boring life and achieve nothing anyway.

I agree though, our priorities are "whacked"... but that just proves the point that the world is one big ----ed up place. Human's are stupid and greedy, emphasizing on the word stupid. There is nothing anyone can do that can save us now, we are all doomed and we've brought it on ourselves.

Just ---- it and live your life out to the fullest and stop caring about other people... well at least people you don't know.

[Toefur]

Originally posted by }:8) Supermoo


That certainly soaked up a lot of media coverage... :confused2

That is also a point of mine. :)

[Blank Verse]

The sad thing is (and I'm going to sound like a complete --- for this), there is way too many problems in the world for one person to deal with. Sure, you can sponsor a child through World Vision, and don't get me wrong, that's a great thing to do. But how far are you expected to go after that? Should you don a lab jacket and go try and find a cure for cancer? Should you take a trip to Alaska and try to clean the ocean from all the oil still left over from that whole Exxon fiasco? This world is ----ed up. And yes, it's good to help others, I do it too, but you gotta take care of yourself sometimes too. The problem is, where do you put your priorities. It's not as small a world as people think. There's a lot to deasl with, and it's hard to know what's more important than something else.

[invisionz]

Yes your right, as much as we can do as individuals is still not enough, we need quantity.

lol Akalon, i never knew i was stupid and greedy ;)

Thanks for letting me know ;)

[jmiller]

Originally posted by invisionz
And thats exactly what the problem is..

While our countries talk about attacking Iraq etc..

Do you know how much missles cost? millions..

They could spend this money on helping fellow human beings instead of pursuing their own lusts.

Agreed.
Or instead of spending millions of dollars to send people to outer space, we could use that same money to help out third world countries.
Bush could care less about any other country besides America.
I honestly think the entire world would be better off if George Bush was no longer around (as president).

[lotsofissues]

Some people care. Some people pretend to care.

[jmiller]

Originally posted by lotsofissues
Some people care. Some people pretend to care. I care about the ---- that is going on in other countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.
What I don't care about is America.
I am sick of hearing all of Bush's bull---- for the last year.
Just be cause his country can't handle what they dish out is to no reason to move into Iraq and try to take over.
Bush says Saddam is killing his own people? Well so is Bush.
I wish everyone would just open up their eyes and see what's really going on.

[el crapo]

Originally posted by Miller
Bush could care less about any other country besides America.
I honestly think the entire world would be better off if George Bush was no longer around (as president).

Maybe you're failing to realize that he's the president of America, not every other god damn country in the world. If he would rather spend money to discover the unknown space & advance our country into a new world then more power to him, who the hell says he has to help every other god damn country in trouble because the morons running their countries aren't doing something right. Why not talk to them and tell them their doing a crappy job rather than criticize the President of another country.

Now I totally agree if he wants to help out another country, even more power to him but if he wants to spend the money on his own country then so be it. Now I'm not trying to say: "don't help anyone out and be a selfish pig", but theres nothing in the "Handbook for Being President of the US" that says you must give every god damn country in trouble a crapload of money.

Yes, people are dying, but thats part of the world, people die, people are born, you can't stop that. Some people are weaker than others, its like natural selection, some people are going to die off quicker than others and well, that's life. I'll probably get corrected and/or flamed for something I wrote. but if you must, please keep it civilized.

[invisionz]

I understand your point, but why does Bush stick his nose into other countries affairs?

[invisionz]

LOL, your right we already know whats in space...

CIHOST...

We should stay away from space.. ;)


Originally posted by Miller
I care about the ---- that is going on in other countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.
What I don't care about is America.
I am sick of hearing all of Bush's bull---- for the last year.
Just be cause his country can't handle what they dish out is to no reason to move into Iraq and try to take over.
Bush says Saddam is killing his own people? Well so is Bush.
I wish everyone would just open up their eyes and see what's really going on.

[jmiller]

Originally posted by el crapo


Maybe you're failing to realize that he's the president of America, not every other god damn country in the world. If he would rather spend money to discover the unknown space & advance our country into a new world then more power to him, who the hell says he has to help every other god damn country in trouble because the morons running their countries aren't doing something right. Why not talk to them and tell them their doing a crappy job rather than criticize the President of another country.

Now I totally agree if he wants to help out another country, even more power to him but if he wants to spend the money on his own country then so be it. Now I'm not trying to say: "don't help anyone out and be a selfish pig", but theres nothing in the "Handbook for Being President of the US" that says you must give every god damn country in trouble a crapload of money.

Yes, people are dying, but thats part of the world, people die, people are born, you can't stop that. Some people are weaker than others, its like natural selection, some people are going to die off quicker than others and well, that's life. I'll probably get corrected and/or flamed for something I wrote. but if you must, please keep it civilized. I know he is only the president of America. But he is causing problems in other countries by sticking his nose into other people's business.
Okay so he doesn't have to help other countries out, but he shouldn't be causing more ---- in countries that already have enough problems.

[el crapo]

Originally posted by Miller
I know he is only the president of America. But he is causing problems in other countries by sticking his nose into other people's business.
Okay so he doesn't have to help other countries out, but he shouldn't be causing more ---- in countries that already have enough problems.

Ok I can't disagree with that

[invisionz]

You guys are very quick on the trigger.... :biggrin2:

[jmiller]

Originally posted by el crapo


Ok I can't disagree with that I'm glad. Although he should help other countries, he is entitled not to.
But he has absolutely no right to poke and prod in other countries affairs.

[Webdude]

Do you people have any idea what would happen if we were to pull out of every country.

1) Ignore requests
2) Dont share technology
3) Dont help the hungry
4) Dont communicate with other governments.
5) Pull our military all back to home.

Would you be happy then? Do you really know what would happen? There would be tons of wars and countries wiping people out since threat of retaliation by the U.S. would be gone. Due to that, there would be huge widespread of disease, poverty, and death. The leaders of all these countries would be banging on our doors begging us to come back.

Nothing is perfect...but for the most part, everything we are doing is preventing something worse. In reality, if we were minding our own busines, you all would be screaming for us to do something. The fact is, the other governments invite us in, ask us to accomplish things, then they deny the very fact to the people and the world. They make us out as the bad guys. I wouldnt mind us getting out of all these places. We have problems at home to deal with. Of course, our prices for gas would probably skyrocket to $25/gallon among many other things, but that's ok, we wouldnt be in anyone else' business.

Do you really want us to mind our own business and ignore pleas from governments to help? Kuwait would now be owned and oppressed by Iraq if we did. Terrorist would run free to do whatever they wish and be well funded instead of cowering in caves as they do now. There are hundreds of reasons as to why things are better worldwide now than the alternative...

[invisionz]

Did you know the Kuwaiti people used to support Saddam?

Did you know Kuwaiti's are basically the same people/origin as Iraqis?

Take a look at the history of Kuwait & Iraq, basically it was the same country.

The reason the U.S interferred with Iraq taking over Kuwait is because of oil & $$$, not for the safety of the kuwaiti people etc.. for their own gain.

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by invisionz


The reason the U.S interferred with Iraq taking over Kuwait is because of oil & $$$, not for the safety of the kuwaiti people etc.. for their own gain.

Exactly! Some people on these forums naively believe that America does everything for humanitarian reasons. A statement like that only makes the United States look stupid. America is a far smarter country, using their crafty techniques to ensure that they remain the most powerful country in the world.

Bush continues to fight his futile in Afghanistan for one reason and one reason only: to gain popularity. I can guarantee you that he sure as heck doesn't care about the Afghans. If the US truly did care, then they would have overthrown the Taliban when they first came to power, which was quite a while ago.



Would you be happy then? Do you really know what would happen? There would be tons of wars and countries wiping people out since threat of retaliation by the U.S. would be gone. Due to that, there would be huge widespread of disease, poverty, and death. The leaders of all these countries would be banging on our doors begging us to come back.

Yeah, right. Most of the people would be cheering once the US gets out of their country. Because of their interference in other country's politics, the US has made enemies with countries in every single corner of the globe. The UN is providing more assistance with disease and hunger than the US ever did, and I doubt they would pull out just because America does. So those African countries would probably end up being better (and happier) as a result of the US leaving their country.

[Webdude]

The U.N. basically is the U.S. It would be nothing without it. Most of the money pumped into the UN comes from the US, as well as troops and military.

I didnt say we do it out of the goodness of our hearts, did I? That's ok, go ahead and use the U.S as a scapegoat. You know as well as I do that everyone in the middle east was killing each other for hundreds of years before the U.S. existed. I wonder who the scapegoat was back then?

We protect our interests. As I said, if we didnt then such things as terrorists would be running free in the open and well funded. Fear of the U.S. is why those countries dont openly support terrorists. Fear of the U.S. keeps terrorists in hiding. Fear of the U.S. keeps them under funded.

What would happen if the U.S. stopped everything it's doing? Cities across the globe would be dealing with terrorists. The whole world would be afraid of the middle east because of terrorists. Cities would be bombed with nukes, gases, and anything else they manage to buy. China, Russia, Britain, France, Japan, Australia, even the U.S., Canada and Mexico...no-one would be safe. That's why none directly challenge the U.S. Even China knows the alternative.

So do we do it out of goodness? Hell no, we do it for our own protection. We learned our lesson with Pearl Harbor...staying out of it all simply hurts us more because someone will always attack us first.

Let's look at the terrorists issues.....before 9-11 we pretty much stayed out of terrorists issues. After it, everyone was saying "Now you know how it feels! Now you will come over here and help us against these terrorists!". Now we are doing that, and people complain about us getting into other people's business. Go figure.....I sure wouldnt have expected that! :rolleyes: /end-sarcasm

[}:8) Supermoo]

Originally posted by Toefur
That is also a point of mine. :)

I thought I played my role beautifully. :)

[invisionz]

So your saying terrorists only come from the middle east?

Oh please..

Tell me whats happening in Ireland please...


Originally posted by Webdude
The U.N. basically is the U.S. It would be nothing without it. Most of the money pumped into the UN comes from the US, as well as troops and military.

I didnt say we do it out of the goodness of our hearts, did I? That's ok, go ahead and use the U.S as a scapegoat. You know as well as I do that everyone in the middle east was killing each other for hundreds of years before the U.S. existed. I wonder who the scapegoat was back then?

We protect our interests. As I said, if we didnt then such things as terrorists would be running free in the open and well funded. Fear of the U.S. is why those countries dont openly support terrorists. Fear of the U.S. keeps terrorists in hiding. Fear of the U.S. keeps them under funded.

What would happen if the U.S. stopped everything it's doing? Cities across the globe would be dealing with terrorists. The whole world would be afraid of the middle east because of terrorists. Cities would be bombed with nukes, gases, and anything else they manage to buy. China, Russia, Britain, France, Japan, Australia, even the U.S., Canada and Mexico...no-one would be safe. That's why none directly challenge the U.S. Even China knows the alternative.

So do we do it out of goodness? Hell no, we do it for our own protection. We learned our lesson with Pearl Harbor...staying out of it all simply hurts us more because someone will always attack us first.

Let's look at the terrorists issues.....before 9-11 we pretty much stayed out of terrorists issues. After it, everyone was saying "Now you know how it feels! Now you will come over here and help us against these terrorists!". Now we are doing that, and people complain about us getting into other people's business. Go figure.....I sure wouldnt have expected that! :rolleyes: /end-sarcasm

[jmiller]

Originally posted by invisionz
So your saying terrorists only come from the middle east?

Oh please..

Tell me whats happening in Ireland please...

Exactly.
What about the IRA Webdude? Or do they not matter seeing as they aren't from the Middle East?
I am sick of this Middle Easy terrorist stereotype.

[GregT]

i dont pay attension to any of this stuff, too complicated, and ive got better things to do :rolleyes:

[invisionz]

Like? posting these kind of posts lol.

800+ posts and you're telling me you have better things to do - LOL.


Originally posted by gt14
i dont pay attension to any of this stuff, too complicated, and ive got better things to do :rolleyes:

[jmiller]

Originally posted by invisionz
Like? posting these kind of posts lol.

800+ posts and you're telling me you have better things to do - LOL.

There's better things to do than to help others on planet earth with their problems?

[jmiller]

Originally posted by Toefur
In recent news, 1,900 Africans died of Malaria whilst you were asleep last night. Toefur, look what your curiosity has caused. ;)

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by Webdude

I didnt say we do it out of the goodness of our hearts, did I? That's ok, go ahead and use the U.S as a scapegoat. You know as well as I do that everyone in the middle east was killing each other for hundreds of years before the U.S. existed. I wonder who the scapegoat was back then?


I'm not blaming the US for the people in the Middle East killing each other. But clearly, if the US interferes and the problem is still every bit as bad, then they should get the heck out of there and stop getting people mad at them! Without the US, the Palestinians and Israelis were fighting. With the US, the Palestinians and Israelis are still fighting. America has enough problems on its own turf. They should pay attention to domestic affairs before interfering in other wars.

We protect our interests. As I said, if we didnt then such things as terrorists would be running free in the open and well funded. Fear of the U.S. is why those countries dont openly support terrorists. Fear of the U.S. keeps terrorists in hiding. Fear of the U.S. keeps them under funded.



What would happen if the U.S. stopped everything it's doing? Cities across the globe would be dealing with terrorists. The whole world would be afraid of the middle east because of terrorists. Cities would be bombed with nukes, gases, and anything else they manage to buy. China, Russia, Britain, France, Japan, Australia, even the U.S., Canada and Mexico...no-one would be safe. That's why none directly challenge the U.S. Even China knows the alternative.


Here, I agree with Miller and invisionz. You think terrorists all come from the Middle East? I can even name you more Islamic terrorists who aren't based in the Middle East. The terrorists in SE Asia are every bit as bad as the ones in the Middle East. But there's terrorism everywhere. It's not limited to Muslim people at all! The United States is a terrorist, a bully, in the eyes of many people from Africa to Asia to Europe to even the Americas. The word "terrorist" is meaningless, as it is all relative to the person who's saying it. So if the US stopped everything it's doing, then the world would be rid of one big terrorist.



So do we do it out of goodness? Hell no, we do it for our own protection. We learned our lesson with Pearl Harbor...staying out of it all simply hurts us more because someone will always attack us first.

Sometimes, it's done for protection. But you're telling me that NATO invaded Yugoslavia for PROTECTION? And was the US really afraid of El Salvador and Somalia attacking them? That's just ludicrous. It's almost always for economic gain.



Let's look at the terrorists issues.....before 9-11 we pretty much stayed out of terrorists issues. After it, everyone was saying "Now you know how it feels! Now you will come over here and help us against these terrorists!". Now we are doing that, and people complain about us getting into other people's business. Go figure.....I sure wouldnt have expected that! :rolleyes: /end-sarcasm

It wasn't until September 11th that people complained that the US was getting into other people's business. What about Somalia in the early 90s? And Kosovo in the mid-late 90s? And what about Vietnam? Ever heard of Korea? The fact is, the people who complain about America interfering with politics have 50 years of history with which to justify it.

[jmiller]

It wasn't until September 11th that people complained that the US was getting into other people's business. What about Somalia in the early 90s? And Kosovo in the mid-late 90s? And what about Vietnam? Ever heard of Korea? The fact is, the people who complain about America interfering with politics have 50 years of history with which to justify it.I totally agree, America can't ----ing handle what they dish out.
The events of September eleventh were bound to happen sooner or later.
Sure I feel sorry for all those who lost their lives, and their family members.
But that does not change the ---- American has been dishing out for ages.

[Webdude]

Well, if people need help, that's what they have their Governments for. Oh wait, many of them are corrupt arent they? That's ok, do what you say, we do nothing.

I'd like to know a single time when we are interfering. That would mean barging in and doing our own thing wouldnt it? But see, we are there on request by various governments. Kuwait cried help, we helped. I certainly cant go into every little issue in a single post.....so dont bring Ireland into it, because other issues will keep coming up.

On helping, not my issue. I'd rather help a stray dog. Humans outnumber everything but insects. Is there something more special about people in other countries than the animals we have wiped out? You see, at least I take action on things I dont agree with. I found a couple who bred their german shepards in a tiny & filthy back yard. 11 pups. All had parvo, hookworms, and tapeworms. What did I do? I went over there and took their puppies. I do that quite often. I seriously doubt you would have done that, you would have come to this forum and -----ed about animal abuse instead.

So how about if you have a problem with something, take action and do something about it. Shut off your computer, get off your fat *** and go do something about it if you are that compassionate about it. Otherwise, go ahead and respond to me, and show just how lazy you are. Your getting a whole heck of a lot accomplished if you do :rolleyes:

As for the puppies, if anyone cares....one died before I got them. 2 more died in my care because they were already in the third stage of parvo. Despite the shots and medication given, one more may not make it thru this night due to being exposed to parvo before they had the immunizations. It's sad to see a very pretty and sweet puppy wasting away in front of you due to an incurable disease, and there is nothing you or vets can do about it. With this version of parvo (the worst), all you can do is keep them well hydrated, and hope they are strong enough to get thru it and beat the disease. Most dont make it.. at least the rest seem to have pulled thru it ok. As if watching them waste away despite all your efforts isnt bad enough, when they die you have to burn them because the disease can spread thru the ground and infect entire areas when it rains.

[bigperm]

Anybody here who 'cares' need to buy this album immedietly.

http://www.fatwreck.com/albumdetail.php3?sd=PVys7dHRMXIAADi7Wnw&cat_num=506

[Moonman]

Originally posted by anhedonia
It's what, $1 a day to sponsor a child? What excuse is there for those in regular employment to not sponsor a child? Most people can afford to spare $1 a day.
Well my family sponsors 10 children, we could sponsor more, but that is ten more than probably 60-70% of Australia. If all of them would sponsor a child, the world would be a lot better.

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by Webdude

So how about if you have a problem with something, take action and do something about it. Shut off your computer, get off your fat *** and go do something about it if you are that compassionate about it. Otherwise, go ahead and respond to me, and show just how lazy you are. Your getting a whole heck of a lot accomplished if you do :rolleyes:


As if I could do anything about the US interfering in other people's politics here in China. :rolleyes: Not to mention that everyone here would ignore me anyway. The reason I'm responding to this thread is to convince people to THINK about what this world is like.


Well, if people need help, that's what they have their Governments for. Oh wait, many of them are corrupt arent they? That's ok, do what you say, we do nothing.

One word: Mobutu. (For those of you that don't know who Joseph Mobutu is, he was the highly corrupt leader in Zaire, becoming one of the richest men in the world...Guess who made him president of Zaire in the first place?


I'd like to know a single time when we are interfering. That would mean barging in and doing our own thing wouldnt it? But see, we are there on request by various governments. Kuwait cried help, we helped. I certainly cant go into every little issue in a single post.....so dont bring Ireland into it, because other issues will keep coming up.

The US interfered in Iran by overthrowing an extremely popular leader. This started the bitter rivalry between Iranians and Americans. Then, they helped assassinate Lumumba, leader of Zaire, to put up Mobutu. Oh, and the CIA also contributed to and funded the assassination a democratically-elected leader in Chile (in addition to a year of attempts to destabilize the government), with Kissinger stating that if the US wasn't happy with the results of an election, then the US would interfere. Are those enough examples for you? And let me tell you this...the leaders did not cry to the US for help in order to be assassinated.

As for the animals, that's a different story. I also care about the rest of the environment greatly. But that's a different issue, and I don't want to get into that.

[allanh]

Originally posted by conkermaniac
If George Bush would give up on wiping out terrorism (which is impossible), he could give at least $5 billion in aid to these starving African people. And it would make no difference to the American taxpayers.

(


Yeah... and leave Bin Laden alone so that Osama can continue his cute operations of wiping out Americans and the rest of the world.:p

[allanh]

Originally posted by invisionz
So your saying terrorists only come from the middle east?

Oh please..

Tell me whats happening in Ireland please...



Irish terrorists are the "milder" form of terrorists. I am not saying they are good, but at least they don't do mass destructions (in 10s of thousands) and they only attack their target (ie UK).

Middle East terrorists attack anyone who's had the slightest relationship with US and are close to un-negotiable.

[conkermaniac]

Originally posted by allanh


Irish terrorists are the "milder" form of terrorists. I am not saying they are good, but at least they don't do mass destructions (in 10s of thousands) and they only attack their target (ie UK).

Middle East terrorists attack anyone who's had the slightest relationship with US and are close to un-negotiable.

What about terrorist groups in Indonesia? :confused:


Yeah... and leave Bin Laden alone so that Osama can continue his cute operations of wiping out Americans and the rest of the world.

We may be able to stop Osama's cute operations, but we won't be able to stop Osama Jr.'s nor Osama III's operations. ;) Terrorism cannot be wiped out; it's always going to be around because as soon as you wipe out all the terrorists today, more people are going to convert to terrorism. :confused2

[invisionz]

Kuwait cried help?

Thats a blatant lie..

Sorry, i have been to Kuwait (when the war was on)..

They supported saddam every one bit, they loved him more than the iraqi people..

Why don't you guys rush over to Nigeria and stop the fighting there? aww i forgot no oil.


Originally posted by Webdude
Well, if people need help, that's what they have their Governments for. Oh wait, many of them are corrupt arent they? That's ok, do what you say, we do nothing.

I'd like to know a single time when we are interfering. That would mean barging in and doing our own thing wouldnt it? But see, we are there on request by various governments. Kuwait cried help, we helped. I certainly cant go into every little issue in a single post.....so dont bring Ireland into it, because other issues will keep coming up.

On helping, not my issue. I'd rather help a stray dog. Humans outnumber everything but insects. Is there something more special about people in other countries than the animals we have wiped out? You see, at least I take action on things I dont agree with. I found a couple who bred their german shepards in a tiny & filthy back yard. 11 pups. All had parvo, hookworms, and tapeworms. What did I do? I went over there and took their puppies. I do that quite often. I seriously doubt you would have done that, you would have come to this forum and -----ed about animal abuse instead.

So how about if you have a problem with something, take action and do something about it. Shut off your computer, get off your fat *** and go do something about it if you are that compassionate about it. Otherwise, go ahead and respond to me, and show just how lazy you are. Your getting a whole heck of a lot accomplished if you do :rolleyes:

As for the puppies, if anyone cares....one died before I got them. 2 more died in my care because they were already in the third stage of parvo. Despite the shots and medication given, one more may not make it thru this night due to being exposed to parvo before they had the immunizations. It's sad to see a very pretty and sweet puppy wasting away in front of you due to an incurable disease, and there is nothing you or vets can do about it. With this version of parvo (the worst), all you can do is keep them well hydrated, and hope they are strong enough to get thru it and beat the disease. Most dont make it.. at least the rest seem to have pulled thru it ok. As if watching them waste away despite all your efforts isnt bad enough, when they die you have to burn them because the disease can spread thru the ground and infect entire areas when it rains.

[invisionz]

Who put Bin Laden in power?

United States.

Who put Saddam in power?

United States.


Case closed....

Originally posted by allanh



Yeah... and leave Bin Laden alone so that Osama can continue his cute operations of wiping out Americans and the rest of the world.:p

[conkermaniac]

I heard that Bin Laden and Hussein were once both on the CIA payroll. Is there any truth to this? :confused:

[jmiller]

It would not surprise me the least if Bin Laden did not even exist, or if he was put up to this by the United States Goverment. I would not put it at all past America to slaughter its own people. :rolleyes:

[Todd]

I'll let WebDude and Blank Verse point out the average Americans viewpoint on this one. Blank Verse pretty much hit it dead on.

Originally posted by gt14
i dont pay attension to any of this stuff, too complicated, and ive got better things to do :rolleyes:
No problem, because the government taxes you so they can make these choices. Those critical of those choices can:
a. Get in to politics and change the system.
b. Get existing politicians to change the system.
c. Try to fix it themselves; Finding alternative solutions.
d. Gripe about it.

Pick your poison. :)

If you don't live in the country you are criticizing and don't want to then I think letter C should be your choice.

Scenario:
You: I need $10 urgently for X.
Me: I can't spare $10 but here is $5.
You: I'll take what I can get, at least I'm half way there.
Me: Ok.

Later...
You: You never did give me the other $5.
Me: I didn't have it to spare and still don't. You can either wait until I have it or go get a job and earn it yourself.

Apply to the above to scenario X. In due time problems will be fixed, as long as the problem doesn't eliminate us before then. Apply to all discussions from drug resistant viruses to humanitarian spending. :) Money doesn't solve everything, and if it looses value get a pencil ready to add more problems to the list. The government was formed to protect and serve it's people, helping other people outside it's government is done for moral reasons.

If you don't like the way that is being handled then go back to my list. There could be thousands of threads from people choosing the letter D, but it doesn't help the situation.

Now try to think of a way to help fix the problems and choose route C. I wish you the best if you make a true effort at doing so.