For small websites. . .

[akrotiri]

Hello,
I am currently looking for a ad revenue program for small websites, preferably CPC, and maybe CPM (but small sites usually don't get into those :( ). Anyone have any ideas?

- Akrotiri

[}:8) Supermoo]

Originally posted by akrotiri
Hello,
I am currently looking for a ad revenue program for small websites, preferably CPC, and maybe CPM (but small sites usually don't get into those :( ). Anyone have any ideas?

- Akrotiri

For small websites I strongly reccomend all Standard Internet programs ( http://www.standardinternet.com ), along with Commission Junction ( http://www.cj.com/ ) if you can find adverts related to your website.

When you grow you could try http://www.bullex.org/ or maybe even http://www.valueclick.com.

Best of luck,

[Czar]

Supermoo, have you ever used Bullex?

I've heard several negative reports about the firm, as well as many suggestions that they have effectively shut down. Their lack of updates can be seen by the fact that they still have AllAdvantage banners within their rotation (!).

I'm just wondering since you've recommended them twice recently.

[}:8) Supermoo]

No, I do not have any personal experience with them. I too noticed the All Advantage advert, but they're are no other advertisers excepting people with as little as 50 impressions a month!

Also, I try to warn people about possible dangers with "you could try" in front of their name.

Czar, could you please share these negative reports with us to alert the community.

Thanks,

[akrotiri]

Enlighten me :)

[Czar]

I don't have a huge amount of info to offer, since very few affiliates seem to have been accepted by them before they closed (?) their doors.

You may find negative reports here:
http://geekvillage.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/003704.html

There are also some very suspicious points indicated in the following thead (in which a Bullex emplyee participates):
http://geekvillage.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/002303.html

[}:8) Supermoo]

Hmmm... both are over one year old. Maybe they are a 'dead' site?

[akrotiri]

i'm stuck with nowhere to go :(

is commission junction good at all?

[Czar]

CJ can produce great results when used well. The key is obviously to select the right programs for your audience, and to present them in such a fashion as to encourage responses.

I would recommend them, and similar programs such as Websponsors.com, to all publishers - regardless of the popularity of their sites.

[}:8) Supermoo]

Originally posted by akrotiri
i'm stuck with nowhere to go :(

In my first post I suggested four places, four take one is three. That leaves you with three suggestions left! :)

[Cheap Bastard]

-bullex is dead.
-cj has no good ads (for me) (the ones they do have are worse than clickheretofind)
-standardinternet... well 3 of their progs goto clickheretofind, a rather slow-loading page with a popup, an exit and yet another popup. Searchtraffic now requires a 2nd clickthru (sounds like hamster), and popuptraffic's popups are closed 90% before counted...
-Valueclick requires 15000 imps/month. I'd say that's a medium site, not a small...

-Linkshare: you won't ever reach a check amount with a small site...

[Robert from SI]

>>>>>>>>>>>>
-standardinternet... well 3 of their progs goto clickheretofind, a rather slow-loading page with a popup, an exit and yet another popup. Searchtraffic now requires a 2nd clickthru (sounds like hamster), and popuptraffic's popups are closed 90% before counted...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This information is false.

For the uninitiated "CheapBastard" has some type of grudge against SI and badmouths us repeatedly.

AllClicks and BulkClicks go to ClickHereToFind.com and the page is not "slow loading" it loads perfectly normally. I compared it to CheapBastards site on the free host CJB and it loaded much faster.

SearchTraffic, like all search programs, requires a 2nd page click.

PopUpTraffic's popups are not "closed 90% of the time before they are counted" This is simply libelous.

I welcome anyone to try our programs and compare them on their merits as opposed to listening to the libelous comments made by a poster whose main merit is http://jokestation----------/


I'll have no more comment on this matter. CheapBastard the floor is completely yours.

[Cheap Bastard]

Originally posted by Robert from SI
AllClicks and BulkClicks go to ClickHereToFind.com and the page is not "slow loading" it loads perfectly normally. I compared it to CheapBastards site on the free host CJB and it loaded much faster.
What happened to pokertraffic?
Anyways, yes, i agree, -------- is slow at times. And tera-byte's been having some slow times lately, due to their uplink having some errors or something. On the other hand, both clickheretofind.com and jokestation---------- load (for me) in 10 seconds. Knowing that -------- is a free service, and that the content loads in 3 seconds but it takes that ad 7seconds to load, i'd say mine still loads better.

I just noticed, there's two popups and one exit. Sorry for my lie about a popup, an exit, and a popup in the exit. I need to keep up with this stuff...


SearchTraffic, like all search programs, requires a 2nd page click.
Excuse me?
Searchbucks does not require a second-page clickthru. Neither do the low-bids on searchreferral. And if i'm correct, neither does searchfuel.


PopUpTraffic's popups are not "closed 90% of the time before they are counted" This is simply libelous.
ALL popups are closed 90% of the time. It's the nature of visitors, not popuptraffics fault. I wish robert would understand i'm not 'attacking' popuptraffic, i'm simply saying you'll get less impressions than you're hoping for (although the higher CPM sometimes makes up for it). At least these are my stats. Then again, these stats only include about 10 million visitors, so i'm most likely off some. Yet still...


I welcome anyone to try our programs and compare them on their merits as opposed to listening to the libelous comments made by a poster whose main merit is http://jokestation----------/
I agree. You SHOULD try standardinternet.com . Considering the weak market, they're probably one of your best choices. I still think you should at least take part of what i wrote as truth, but i don't think you should stay away from SI. They've got more good comments than bad comments, which is more than i can say about most Ad companies.

BTW, i'd hardly call my jokesite a merit. COME ON, i mean it's getting 5 visitors per day...


I'll have no more comment on this matter. CheapBastard the floor is completely yours.
Thanks, i appreciate it. I hope to one day pass on the torch myself :)

[Robert from SI]

Pokertraffic goes to wagering.com and 2 other gaming sites. Your statements are incorrect.

SearchBucks has not accepted new affiliates for 4 months. SearchRevenue has not acepted new affilliates for 3 months. SearchTraffic, the original independant search program, is open and continues to accept new affilaites. I have a great deal of respect for the gentlemen running those other two programs. But the point of payouts is moot if you can't join them.

SearchFuel requires a 2nd page clickthru. Your statements are incorrect.

All popups are NOT closed 90% of the time. They are reflexively closed by the surfer about 40% of the time. This figure is up from 30% about 4 months ago. My statistics are garnered from about 1/2 billion popups served by PopUpTraffic and ClickHereToFind over the last quarter. They are accurate.


I'm sorry if I bit your head off. I simply have decided to have a zero tolerance policy when deliberate lies are posted about us. I just paid a $10,000.00 retainer to an attorney who is persuing libel charges against 2 jokers in another forum who decided to deliberately hurt our reputation. And I'm frankly not happy that I have to waste that kind of money, but I have to do it.

Instead of constantly badmouthing everyone, you should embrace companies that treat their affiliates with respect, pay them on time and fairly, and communicate with them publicly.

[Rich Bastard]

oh, I think they all are looking for second page clicks.
From another board:

Well, it's a little better notice than Wayads - they only gave me 6 hours to remove all the code. SB gave me 7.5! This comes 4 days after replacing many Searchtraffic non-prefilled boxes with SB boxes. Before that, I was not using SB much at all. Anyone else get dropped?


quote:
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Dave,

Our accounting department has just completed an extensive productivity
review on all accounts and unfortunately your account has failed to meet our
minimum standards. Therefore we are terminating our agreement effective
immediately and deactivating your affiliate account. Please take down all
links to our program by midnight tonight (3/15). You will of course be paid
for all revenues earned through midnight tonight in accordance with our
normal payout schedules.

I certainly wish things could have worked out differently, it has been a
pleasure working with you. I hope our paths will cross again sometime in
the near future.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns regarding this
notice.

Best Regards,

Bruce
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[romhost]

A good advertiser for small sites is http://www.valuead.com .
They do CPC 13c (468x60) and also CPM 50c(468x60).
They have also another two banner dimensions!!!

Try it out! I am with them from a few days ago an I made some bucks, but I cannot guarantee that they will pay!!! I will take my chances!!!!

There is no good sponsors anymore!!

[Cheap Bastard]

you got dropped by SB?

Hmm, should be no problem seeing as you're a Rich Bastard :D

Live and learn, it's the only way to go...

[romhost]

SB won't even look at me, because I live in Romania!
Stupid rule!!!

[}:8) Supermoo]

Ron, before I start I'd like for you to know I have the highest respect for your company, and proudly display two of your fellow employees in my ICQ list. :)


Originally posted by Robert from SI
SearchFuel requires a 2nd page clickthru. Your statements are incorrect.

Statement?



Cheap Bastard
And if i'm correct, neither does searchfuel.

A cautious statement at that, hardly something to get extremly annoyed about.

Now I'm happy that I've done my little deed for the day :)

[Czar]

Rich Bastard :D. Who are you? (I'm presuming someone from SI)

Love your profile:
Interests:Laughing at internet "gurus" making 10 bucks a day.

Anyway, as always, I have to throw in a few good words for Standard Internet...

PROS:
For small sites, there is simply no comparison to SI in terms of the breadth and quality of service that they offer. Plus, as well as being forerunners in many areas of online advertising, they continue to maintain industry-leading pay rates.

SearchTraffic, even after their move to a second-page click model, consistently matches or outperforms competing searchbox programs. From my own limited experiments, the only program that beats SearchTraffic in monetary terms is AdSearches, which still bases its payment model on a first-click basis. The AdSearches results page, though, features both a popup and an exit pop, in addition to a page littered with ads.

AllClicks maintains the only true one-click blindlink program, and is revered by many small publishers for doing so.

BulkClicks provides flexible linking methods, and their banners return above-average CTRs.

PopupTraffic has remained simple, yet effective. While promising competition has sprung up on several occassions (PopupSponsor, AdScholar, GoClick, etc), the inherent weaknesses in these programs are starting to become apparent as they drop affiliates and/or payment rates.

Robert and crew are amongst the most responsive of any affiliate program managers on the Web - ever! They manage several thousand individual accounts, and yet can constantly be reached via email or through forums such as this.

They are still innovating and pushing forward (though the 'new programs' have been coming soon for a few months now...;))


CONS:
Admittedly, the new FastClick popup on ClickHereToFind has made the AllClicks Exit program slightly more irritating to viewers, and has reduced my exposure to said program. Still, one can probably stand a little irritation and even a few lost visitors after seeing their stats increase at the tasty rate of $15CPM.

AllClicks stats have been affected by server outtages recently, but this is not uncommon.


Overall, SI remain a must-try for sites of all sizes, but particularly those in the small-medium range.

[akrotiri]

Thanks for the replies. Right now, I'm using CJ, but they don't have many ads that would go with my website right now. I have tried SI, they seem to be very good, but not what I'm looking for (no offense :)).

Any more reliable "sponsors?"
And CJ does pay "on time," right?

[Cheap Bastard]

what about fastclick, Czar?

Wouldn't that work for small sites?

[Czar]

For sure.

FastClick remain a fantastic ad network. The problem is, they are accepting very few (if any) sites right now.

There's no harm in filling out the application form, though.

[akrotiri]

Fastclick requires 2,500 impressions a day.

hah... Only 3 people know about my website right now... heh, so I need to promote it, somewhat.