Dell computer?

[trenzterra]

I want to buy my first desktop (I've been living on a laptop all these years), a Dell PC next year when i move house.


Are Dell PCs reliable?

What else do you recommend?

[Wojtek]

Beeing an ex-Dell'er, I'll tell you a couple things about my old system.

1. It was nicely packed when I got it.
2. It was easy to install, even I never touched to a computer in my life
3. (I 1st used Paint to write documents) :rolleyes:
4. All was good for about a year
5. Pouf! Windows crashed "invalid disk, please remove and retry error"
6. I call dell's service support, they tell me to use zztop.bat to restore my drive, did that, worked fine.
7. Windows 98 came out, got it free from dell as a Free Windows 98 upgrade thingy they were having when I bought the PC.
8. I installed and aand everything stopped working. : modem, dvd drive, dvd decoder card, and so on.
9. I call dell tech support and ask what to do. I tell them I try to reinstall my modem, but the drivers dont work and I cant dial up, sometimes its not well connected and blabla. They say " open up the case, find the modem, take it out, oh and this voids your waranty, and we cant help further" The guy was very rude to me, didnt even tell me how to open the case and how a modem looks like....
10. I did it, voided my waranty, but my stupid modem didnt start working. Took me like 2 weeks to finally figure out what was wrong and download new drivers for the rest of the non-working things. That was the last time I called dell support.

After that I had some usual windows crashes, had to reformat 3 or 4 times. No problems whatsoever after.



So for a little sumary:

- Good Parts:

Great packaging
Great computers
Solid construction
Superior componements
Nice case design
Easy to upgrade (no stupid onboard mobo's)
Excellent monitors included (Sony Trinitron's)
The computer I bought 6 years ago still works strong with hardware problems at all.

- Bad Parts:

Below average customer service

[trenzterra]

how long did dell take to respond?


is there any telephone support?


Because I may use it due to my current experience with my acer computer where the idiotic technicians still cannot repair my laptop problem even having sending it to service centre once.



What computer brand are you using now? Is it better than Dell?


Also why everything stop working? Is it because of driver compatibility?

[Wojtek]

Originally posted by trenzterra
how long did dell take to respond?


is there any telephone support?


Because I may use it due to my current experience with my acer computer where the idiotic technicians still cannot repair my laptop problem even having sending it to service centre once.



What computer brand are you using now? Is it better than Dell?


Also why everything stop working? Is it because of driver compatibility?
It took them about 4-5 minutes to reply to my phone call <- Good
Yes, telephone support is standart. If I were you I'd get on-site service, but I don't know if its available in singapore.
I'm using a Dell laptop now. No problems at all, didnt have to call even once.
Yes, It was a driver/hardware issue, where I had to change my modem's PCI slot so it fully works.

[trenzterra]

So you mean dell is probably a good buy? Then in what ways support isn't good?



I was wondering whether dell has the option of including extra ram at request?

Dell does't use middlemans right?


Is there delivery service or something?

[Bruce]

Originally posted by trenzterra

Is there delivery service or something? Yeah, it's called UPS... I dunno what you guys have over there htough... :confused2

[Ben]

Originally posted by trenzterra
Dell does't use middlemans right?

I think they all do, but all have the option to buy from them (except Acer, I called them asking if they had any 300mhz/32mb sdram laptops lying around and they said i'd have to ask their vendors).

Correct me if I'm wrong.:chinese2:

[Ashed]

Do you guys always buy branded PC's?

[Ben]

I didnt, I built mine myself. I was just looking for old laptops to put OpenBSD/FreeBSD/Linux on so I don't have to partition my hard drive.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Ben


I think they all do, but all have the option to buy from them (except Acer, I called them asking if they had any 300mhz/32mb sdram laptops lying around and they said i'd have to ask their vendors).

Correct me if I'm wrong.:chinese2: Acer has middlemans!


I don't think Dell has come to think of it.

I remember their advertisement say that we pay less by cutting off the middleman.


I checked with them its S$75 for a desktop and S$60 for a notebook. Not really cheap eh.

[Daniel]

Trenz, are you really that incapable of building your own computer? My 12 year-old brother works for my dad and builds computers...

Only thing is, he hasn't fried a motherboard yet. :D

[Dusty]

Do you guys always buy branded PC's?Yes. I'd much rather have someone else do it for me than for me to have to do it myself. All would be well buying a nice branded computer, were it not for the occasional strike. Damned longshoremen. Closest I've ever come to building a computer was installing memory. I am A+ certified, though-- scary thought, that is.


I considered Dell when purchasing the computer I'm waiting for to arrive now, but with its higher cost and horrifically annoying advertising, I opted against it and stuck with HP, who I've always bought from and never had any problem with.

UPS is pretty much everywhere (UPS Singapore (http://www.ups.com/asia/sg/engindex.html)), but my happy little HP will arrive via Federal Express, if anyone ever gets around to taking it off the boat.

[Bruce]

If you don't have the knowledge or time or patience or whatever to build a machine, then so be it, but I just can't recommend buying from a latge manufacturer such as Dell, Gateway, or HP-Compaq. They used teh cheapest parts possible, yet they charge you an amr and a leg. Sure, they provide decent support, but who actually uses the support anyway?

If you want a pre-built system, I'd recommend a pc parts retailer who will assemble your chosen parts for a few bucks. I know http://directron.com does this, and there must be at least a few others as well. Of course this wouldn't be a great solution if you don't live in the states, but I would think there would be some similar shops or something in Eurasia.

[Daniel]

Trenz, I'm pretty sure you can find a local-retailer somewhere that will sell you unbranded computers.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Daniel
Trenz, are you really that incapable of building your own computer? My 12 year-old brother works for my dad and builds computers...

Only thing is, he hasn't fried a motherboard yet. :D My parents won't bring me to the building (sim lim square) that sell the parts.


Dell says I can configure my own system!

[sonichost.net]

Trenz, don't let anyone call you incapable.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a pre-built PC.

If you're going to buy one you won't find a better company to buy them from than Dell.

Nothing wrong with letting someone do the work for you, not to mention warranties are nice.;)

[trenzterra]

If you would be kind enough to go to www.dell.com.sg to go to the configuration page ofthe dimension 8200, what do you think is the recommended configuration for a budget of SG$4000?

[sonichost.net]

I went there and configured one with what I would call the "works" for 3,986 SG.

Take a long look at what you're missing out on with your laptop and what you would improve upon with it. You'll find most of those aspects apply to any desktop.

Does it have enough RAM?
Do you wish the screen were larger?
Are you cramped for hard drive space?
Do you want a CD RW & DVD?

For me neither of my PCs have enough RAM. I could always use some more. I would want *at least* 512MB. One of my systems has 1GB and at times I still think that's not enough. :D

In the end you're the one who has to be happy with it. :)

[trenzterra]

what did you select for me?


i configured one at $4300

i'm happy with 512mb ram.

[trenzterra]

Is this good or bad deal:

dell dimension 8200 intel p4 2.8ghz with mini tower
512mb (2x256) memory pc800 rdram
64mb ddr nvidia geforce4 ti 4200 w/dvi and tv-out
1.44mb 3.5"
dell quietkey keyboard
logitech optical usb mouse
15" lcd flat panel
80gb ultra ATA 7200rpm hdd
winxp pro
firewire
48x cdrw with easy cd creator
sound blaster live
10/100 pci (forgot what brand) network card
harman/kardon speakers with subwoofer (woof! woof!)
56k data fax modem

SGD$4305

[raz0r00]

Originally posted by trenzterra
Is this good or bad deal:

dell dimension 8200 intel p4 2.8ghz with mini tower
512mb (2x256) memory pc800 rdram
64mb ddr nvidia geforce4 ti 4200 w/dvi and tv-out
1.44mb 3.5"
dell quietkey keyboard
logitech optical usb mouse
15" lcd flat panels
80gb ultra ATA 7200rpm hdd
winxp pro
firewire
48x cdrw with easy cd creator
sound blaster live
10/100 pci (forgot what brand) network card
harman/kardon speakers with subwoofer (woof! woof!)
56k data fax modem

SGD$4305

just bring $4300 to your local computer store. I bet you can get a way better deal on a pc then dell.. If you get a brand name pc and something happens.. chances are you going to have to spend money to send it to them and have them fix it. so if you buy it from your local pc store, something happens just bring it to them.. unless you live at the middle of nowhere. i guess you could go with dell.

"64mb ddr nvidia geforce4 ti 4200 w/dvi and tv-out" $220
what brand is that? i seem it for no more than $200, it really doesn't matter what brand as long its comes with 3 year warrenty with manufactor.

"sound blaster live" $79
is to old. I have the sound blaster augidy (not external one), bought it 4 months ago. which i believe is till the newest sound card by creative.

"80gb ultra ATA 7200rpm hdd" $109
which brand? lucky my pc store still have old stock of 80 WD Hd before they made the change till 1 year warrenty. So I still 3 year warrenty :D . but i thnk you can pay $20 thru westerndigtial.com for extra 2 years

"firewire"
sound blaster audigy comes with 1 firmwire. and you probably won't even use it. so why have them 4 of those on a pci slot.

"15 lcd" $550
good for saving electricity, but heard its not good for gaming.

"56k data fax modem" $25
doesn't matter what brand since i guess you probably going to use broadband. even if you get the cheapest modem like what i got "Aopen" still will work fine for a long time.

"dell dimension 8200 intel p4 2.8ghz with mini tower"
why get p4? get athlon xp and get the ATX case. you will end up saving at least $150-$200 and XP is shown to be faster then p4.
And about the P4 being more stable.. that is a bunch a BS computer stores use to get you to Buy the P4 ended up you paying more.

"512mb (2x256) memory pc800 rdram"
dont' know how much this cost, know it cost way more than ddr and hard to find. 512mb ddr cost around $110-$170 depending on the ram.

10/100 pci (forgot what brand) network card ($10)
doesn't matter what brand you buy, they all work perfectly. bought a dlink for $10


"dell quietkey keyboard
logitech optical usb mouse"
maybe its the same keyboard as the one i use in school has no internet function. get the logitch keyboard mouse combo. cordless optical mouse and cordless keyboard. keyboard has kinda like quietkeys, expect for the space bar, $100

"48x cdrw with easy cd creator"
they probably going to give you some cheap oem cdrw
you can just get the better cdrw for $120. and it comes with nero or easy cd creator software. depending on the brand you buy. unless you watn to get a dvd rw which is like $300.

harman/kardon speakers with subwoofer (woof! woof!)
never seen or heard of it. I got the inspire 5.1 5700 paid around $230 comes with controller and box thing.


Don't know if you going to read all this. or even gonna look at this at all. but I think i did give you good reason not to go with dell.. the prices may be different, depending where you live.

[Jan]

Trenz was talking Singapore Dollars

4,305 Singapore Dollar (SGD) = 2,415.28 US Dollar (USD)

[trenzterra]

actually I changed a little on my config a while back. Now here it is:

dell dimension 8200 intel p4 2.8ghz with mini tower
512mb (2x256) memory pc800 rdram
64mb ddr nvidia geforce4 ti 4200 w/dvi and tv-out
1.44mb 3.5"
dell quietkey keyboard
logitech optical usb mouse
19" crt
80gb ultra ATA 7200rpm hdd
winxp pro
firewire
48x cdrw with roxio easy cd creator
16x dvd
turtle beach santa cruz dsp sound card
10/100 pci fast ethernet NIC
harman/kardon speakers with subwoofer
56k data fax modem

SGD$4242

[goirulz]

hey trenz, i suggest you try finding a better video card for your pc. On a high end computer like that, it's better to go for a geforce4 ti4600 or a radeon 9700, top of the line card.
Another suggestion: BUY YOUR OWN CD BURNER. Dell is sure to give you some cheap branded burner for the price of a tdk or cendyne, so might as well go out and buy your own, AND get nero bundled software with it.
By the way, I think Dell uses Western Digital Caviar hard drives for 80gig if you wanted to know.
Bottom line: Get only what is necessary and install the rest yourself.

[trenzterra]

the speed is not bad though.

and well i'm not a rich guy who would buy something extra.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by raz0r00


just bring $4300 to your local computer store. I bet you can get a way better deal on a pc then dell.. If you get a brand name pc and something happens.. chances are you going to have to spend money to send it to them and have them fix it. so if you buy it from your local pc store, something happens just bring it to them.. unless you live at the middle of nowhere. i guess you could go with dell.

"64mb ddr nvidia geforce4 ti 4200 w/dvi and tv-out" $220
what brand is that? i seem it for no more than $200, it really doesn't matter what brand as long its comes with 3 year warrenty with manufactor.

"sound blaster live" $79
is to old. I have the sound blaster augidy (not external one), bought it 4 months ago. which i believe is till the newest sound card by creative.

"80gb ultra ATA 7200rpm hdd" $109
which brand? lucky my pc store still have old stock of 80 WD Hd before they made the change till 1 year warrenty. So I still 3 year warrenty :D . but i thnk you can pay $20 thru westerndigtial.com for extra 2 years

"firewire"
sound blaster audigy comes with 1 firmwire. and you probably won't even use it. so why have them 4 of those on a pci slot.

"15 lcd" $550
good for saving electricity, but heard its not good for gaming.

"56k data fax modem" $25
doesn't matter what brand since i guess you probably going to use broadband. even if you get the cheapest modem like what i got "Aopen" still will work fine for a long time.

"dell dimension 8200 intel p4 2.8ghz with mini tower"
why get p4? get athlon xp and get the ATX case. you will end up saving at least $150-$200 and XP is shown to be faster then p4.
And about the P4 being more stable.. that is a bunch a BS computer stores use to get you to Buy the P4 ended up you paying more.

"512mb (2x256) memory pc800 rdram"
dont' know how much this cost, know it cost way more than ddr and hard to find. 512mb ddr cost around $110-$170 depending on the ram.

10/100 pci (forgot what brand) network card ($10)
doesn't matter what brand you buy, they all work perfectly. bought a dlink for $10


"dell quietkey keyboard
logitech optical usb mouse"
maybe its the same keyboard as the one i use in school has no internet function. get the logitch keyboard mouse combo. cordless optical mouse and cordless keyboard. keyboard has kinda like quietkeys, expect for the space bar, $100

"48x cdrw with easy cd creator"
they probably going to give you some cheap oem cdrw
you can just get the better cdrw for $120. and it comes with nero or easy cd creator software. depending on the brand you buy. unless you watn to get a dvd rw which is like $300.

harman/kardon speakers with subwoofer (woof! woof!)
never seen or heard of it. I got the inspire 5.1 5700 paid around $230 comes with controller and box thing.


Don't know if you going to read all this. or even gonna look at this at all. but I think i did give you good reason not to go with dell.. the prices may be different, depending where you live.
1. I don't use much gaming, so something not onboard and 64mb will be already good for me.

2. Well read my newer config.

3. I don't know which brand. Probably not IBM I hope. Well something more than 40gb i'll be more than contented

4. Standby

5. I'm getting 19" crt now, hopefully it can display a better resolution but some damn dell people say its 1024x768 but i read the documents it said 1600x1200 or something.

6. Yeah, I'm using ADSL, that's for standby in case ADSL screws up.

7. Dell doesn't sell Athlon XP.

8. SGD$557 more expensive than the 128MB RDRAM

9. Yup, so long as it works and lasts, it's fine with me. My modem uses ethernet port so I need it.

10. Well all these are coming with my computer. Some brands aren't quiet keyboards. It has some basic functions, of course. Logitech should be better than my current Samsung Optic Mini.

11. It's gonna be on a spare drive and so long as it can be used, I'm happy. I've never used one before.

12. Well I've never seen or heard of it either. Surely it's better than my current laptop speaker?

[raz0r00]

Originally posted by trenzterra

1. I don't use much gaming, so something not onboard and 64mb will be already good for me.

2. Well read my newer config.

3. I don't know which brand. Probably not IBM I hope. Well something more than 40gb i'll be more than contented

4. Standby

5. I'm getting 19" crt now, hopefully it can display a better resolution but some damn dell people say its 1024x768 but i read the documents it said 1600x1200 or something.

6. Yeah, I'm using ADSL, that's for standby in case ADSL screws up.

7. Dell doesn't sell Athlon XP.

8. SGD$557 more expensive than the 128MB RDRAM

9. Yup, so long as it works and lasts, it's fine with me. My modem uses ethernet port so I need it.

10. Well all these are coming with my computer. Some brands aren't quiet keyboards. It has some basic functions, of course. Logitech should be better than my current Samsung Optic Mini.

11. It's gonna be on a spare drive and so long as it can be used, I'm happy. I've never used one before.

12. Well I've never seen or heard of it either. Surely it's better than my current laptop speaker?

o didn't know you live in singapore. don't know the hardware there. cause one of my friend told me when he when to china, PII was the average system that everyone was using. In the U.S the average system is PIII.

So the best is to go with western digital hard drive. only come with one year.. but you can just pay $20 USD thru westerndigital.com for extra 2 years warrenty, its worth it. since IBM,Seagate only offer 1 year.

don't get any of these video cards
"geforce4 ti4600 or a radeon 9700,"
they cost way to much. since you really don't play game much just get a geforce 4 mx 440 is good enough. its really cheap ($75), not top of the line of course. but ok for gaming and movies, it does have a tv out.
geforce 4ti4600 $300+
geforce 4 ti 4200 $200+ bestvalue my opinion
radeon 9700 (top of the line) $400+

any speakers are better than onboard speakers, try not to get monitors that come with a "onboard" speaker.

BTW if you didn't know that, now motherboards come with "onboard" soundcards

[Daniel]

I find rdram a waste of money and is hella hard to find...

And the Athlon XP is better in perfomance than the p4 and it's cheaper.

[raz0r00]

Originally posted by Daniel
I find rdram a waste of money and is hella hard to find...

And the Athlon XP is better in perfomance than the p4 and it's cheaper.

Um, didn't i already said that!;)

[Daniel]

Originally posted by raz0r00


Um, didn't i already said that!;)

Repeatition is the best way to learn! ;)

Seriously though, Trenz, it's much better to go to your local computer store(they most likely build computers aswell). Otherwise, the moment your computer brakes down, you'll have to send it to Dell, wait 3-4 weeks and then get it fixed just to have it broken again. :rolleyes:

Atleast with local computer stores, they should be able to fix things the same day.

[raz0r00]

Originally posted by Daniel


Repeatition is the best way to learn! ;)

Seriously though, Trenz, it's much better to go to your local computer store(they most likely build computers aswell). Otherwise, the moment your computer brakes down, you'll have to send it to Dell, wait 3-4 weeks and then get it fixed just to have it broken again. :rolleyes:

Atleast with local computer stores, they should be able to fix things the same day.

I already said that too!! ;)

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Daniel


Repeatition is the best way to learn! ;)

Seriously though, Trenz, it's much better to go to your local computer store(they most likely build computers aswell). Otherwise, the moment your computer brakes down, you'll have to send it to Dell, wait 3-4 weeks and then get it fixed just to have it broken again. :rolleyes:

Atleast with local computer stores, they should be able to fix things the same day. my local computer store is worst than Dell. I bought it from them the first day, the next they spoil

[raz0r00]

Originally posted by trenzterra
my local computer store is worst than Dell. I bought it from them the first day, the next they spoil

yes that is what local stores are like. thats why they often come with 1 year warrenty. I had to bring my system to them over 8 times during the first month when i bought the computer. after that it problem free. cause i know they been giving me used hardware or hardware they used for testing. thats why system was so cheap, and brake down all the time.. but after all the complains... they end up giving me new stuff.

[Dusty]

You have to send stuff back to Dell for them to fix it? Whenever I've had a problem with my computer, HP's always sent a technician out to me. No more than 24 hours wait, unless it's the weekend, then no more than 72. When my first UPS went nuts and fried the motherboard, HP sent a guy out with a replacement, he put it in, fixed whatever else needed fixing, and left in no more than 12 hours-- and I live in the absolute middle of nowhere.

I don't know why everyone always badmouths HP, I like 'em. Much better than NEC and IBM, the only two others I've dealt with.

As to my (semi-) local computer store, I wouldn't suggest visiting them if you're ever in town. Steve doesn't know the difference between a CD-ROM and a toaster; I'm sure any computer he builds is going to be a fire hazard-- unless he just buys them from Wal-Mart and peels off the price tag.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by raz0r00


yes that is what local stores are like. thats why they often come with 1 year warrenty. I had to bring my system to them over 8 times during the first month when i bought the computer. after that it problem free. cause i know they been giving me used hardware or hardware they used for testing. thats why system was so cheap, and brake down all the time.. but after all the complains... they end up giving me new stuff. Oh well they say "there isn't a damn problem with you pc".

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Dusty
I don't know why everyone always badmouths HP, I like 'em. If you're not ever gonna upgrade the machine yourself, then sure, they're fine. The things about all of the large manufacturers is that they use proprietary power supplies and motherboards with a stripped-down BIOS. If your power supply dies, you can't just go and pick one up, you have to order it specially from the manufacturer of the PC... smae with motherboards, etc. Those are really the only bad points to pre-built systems. If all you plan on ever doing is upgrading the RAM, or perhaps a new(er) CDRW or soemthing, then it should be fine, otherwise they lack upgradeability (is that even a word?).

[raz0r00]

Originally posted by trenzterra
Oh well they say "there isn't a damn problem with you pc".

um.. when there is a problem. I am pretty sure you suppose to show them what the problem is. but I guess you got a refund. so just go to another pc store.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by raz0r00


um.. when there is a problem. I am pretty sure you suppose to show them what the problem is. but I guess you got a refund. so just go to another pc store. No i didn't. So I'll have to live with it.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Dusty
You have to send stuff back to Dell for them to fix it? Whenever I've had a problem with my computer, HP's always sent a technician out to me. No more than 24 hours wait, unless it's the weekend, then no more than 72. When my first UPS went nuts and fried the motherboard, HP sent a guy out with a replacement, he put it in, fixed whatever else needed fixing, and left in no more than 12 hours-- and I live in the absolute middle of nowhere.



You think they have that kind of service in Singapore?

[Dusty]

Sure, why wouldn't they? Hell, I'd expect service there to be better.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Dusty
Sure, why wouldn't they? Hell, I'd expect service there to be better.

I seriously doubt it. Everything is always available to America and no where else. :rolleyes:

[raz0r00]

Originally posted by Dusty
You have to send stuff back to Dell for them to fix it? Whenever I've had a problem with my computer, HP's always sent a technician out to me. No more than 24 hours wait, unless it's the weekend, then no more than 72. When my first UPS went nuts and fried the motherboard, HP sent a guy out with a replacement, he put it in, fixed whatever else needed fixing, and left in no more than 12 hours-- and I live in the absolute middle of nowhere.

I don't know why everyone always badmouths HP, I like 'em. Much better than NEC and IBM, the only two others I've dealt with.

As to my (semi-) local computer store, I wouldn't suggest visiting them if you're ever in town. Steve doesn't know the difference between a CD-ROM and a toaster; I'm sure any computer he builds is going to be a fire hazard-- unless he just buys them from Wal-Mart and peels off the price tag.

well i guess that is ok, if you like people coming to your house. I don't like them when my cable guy come over, its just me. don't like letting stranger come in my house. I live in NY and you never know who is going to rob your home.

[Jan]

Originally posted by Daniel
I seriously doubt it. Everything is always available to America and no where else. :rolleyes:
When I first got my Compaq, I had technicians coming quite often to fix/replace their crappy bits of hardware. While it is under warranty they will do house calls at no cost.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by Jan

When I first got my Compaq, I had technicians coming quite often to fix/replace their crappy bits of hardware. While it is under warranty they will do house calls at no cost.

I never got that kind of support from Compaq before. They keep telling me to bring the computer to the closest retailer.

[goirulz]

Well, I live in China right now and I can get Dell technicians to come to my house to fix my dell on any business day.
I mean, if China has that type of service, you'd think Singapore would too. :rolleyes:

[Daniel]

Well, I just can't stand Dell. And I don't justify paying $2000 for a machine that I can get for $1500.

P4 2.4ghz - $259
ASUS P4S533-VM - $169
512MB DDR PC2100 - $142
Seagate ATA100 80GB 7200rpm - $112
GeForce 4 MX440 w/ 64mb ddr - $78.99
floppy drive - already have
keyboard/mouse - already have
AOC 19" CRT - $189
winxp pro - already have
firewire - already have(and it's useless)
48x CDRW -$139
16x dvd - already have
Hercules Game Theatre XP - $114
56k modem - already have
speakers with sub - already have
Custom watercooling kit - $255


Grand total: $1457.99

Use the watercooling kit on the p4 and overclock it to 3ghz and beyond.

[trenzterra]

The model i want is out of stock... I wonder whether new stock will come in.:(

[trenzterra]

Does Integrated NIC slow down performance?


Now there is a Dimension 8250 here.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by trenzterra
Does Integrated NIC slow down performance?




No.

Also, if I were you, I'd wait until barton/clawhammer and get it with a nvidia nforce2 chipset.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Daniel


No.

Also, if I were you, I'd wait until barton/clawhammer and get it with a nvidia nforce2 chipset. well a new dell model has come out and it has 128mb ati radeon 9700 pro

[Daniel]

Originally posted by trenzterra
well a new dell model has come out and it has 128mb ati radeon 9700 pro

You can use the Radeon 9700 pro with the nforce2.

The nforce2 is a chipset. I suggest getting a different computer with a Clawhammer/Barton but your going to have to wait until maybe around X-Mas/January for the clawhammer/barton to be realeased.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Daniel


You can use the Radeon 9700 pro with the nforce2.

The nforce2 is a chipset. I suggest getting a different computer with a Clawhammer/Barton but your going to have to wait until maybe around X-Mas/January for the clawhammer/barton to be realeased. And I may have to wait for pigs to fly before Dell sells AMD CPUs.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by trenzterra
And I may have to wait for pigs to fly before Dell sells AMD CPUs.

Who said you have to buy from Dell?

By the way, don't waste your money on a Radeon 9700 unless your going to play graphically intensive games such as Mafia, UT2k3, etc.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Daniel


Who said you have to buy from Dell?

By the way, don't waste your money on a Radeon 9700 unless your going to play graphically intensive games such as Mafia, UT2k3, etc. Well Dell suits my needs most.

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Well Dell suits my needs most.

And THAT's all that matters. ;)

[Daniel]

Originally posted by trenzterra
Well Dell suits my needs most.

And be it.

But if you wish to have better perfomance, AMD Clawhammer/Barton will exceed even a p4 Xeon.

Well it's your call anyhow.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Daniel


And be it.

But if you wish to have better perfomance, AMD Clawhammer/Barton will exceed even a p4 Xeon.

Well it's your call anyhow. We'll see next year where speeds can exceed 6.0GHz.

[Daniel]

Originally posted by trenzterra
We'll see next year where speeds can exceed 6.0GHz.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

Funniest thing I heard all-day. Thanks trenz for making my day complete.

Do you actually think mhz = perfomance?

My AMD 2000+ can compare(performance wise) to a 2.53ghz P4.

And the Clawhammer/Barton will have 512k or 1024k of l2 cache, on par with the P4 Xeon. On top of that, the Clawhammer/Barton will be 32/64 bit proccessor, the first for home users. And I'll like to see Intel up that...actually, I'd like to see Intel actually come on par with the Clawhammer/Barton with nvidia nforce2.

[trenzterra]

Originally posted by Daniel


HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

Funniest thing I heard all-day. Thanks trenz for making my day complete.

Do you actually think mhz = perfomance?

My AMD 2000+ can compare(performance wise) to a 2.53ghz P4.

And the Clawhammer/Barton will have 512k or 1024k of l2 cache, on par with the P4 Xeon. On top of that, the Clawhammer/Barton will be 32/64 bit proccessor, the first for home users. And I'll like to see Intel up that...actually, I'd like to see Intel actually come on par with the Clawhammer/Barton with nvidia nforce2. Well 6GHz in the sense that 6000+ is also counted.

[Daniel]

And your point? I believe your talking about the XP against the P4.

I'm talking about Clawhammer/Barton. The only processor that even comes close to it is the Pentium 4 XEON.

[Jan]

Originally posted by trenzterra
I want to buy my first desktop (I've been living on a laptop all these years), a Dell PC next year when i move house.

This seems to have strayed off topic and as trenz isn't moving and *wants* to buy a PC when he does, I think we can close it. Things will change in price etc in that time. :)