Iraq

[Confuscious]

Do you think America has the right to invade Iraq?

[Daniel]

NO

[Dusty]

Of course not.

[jmiller]

Originally posted by Daniel
NO I fully agree.
America has made Saddam Hussein out to be a heartless monster, yet George Bush is no better of a person. :rolleyes:
Iraq is still suffering from sanctions the USA implemented during the gulf war, yet bush still feels it is necessary to harm Iraq's people even more so, merely to impress his father.

[Archbob]

Sometimes the "Do this or I will shoot you" Diplomacy method doesn't work. Bush needs to learn that.

[trenzterra]

NO, AND IT'S A NO.



Bush thinks he's so great, and he does things that are unacceptable just because of being the President. No wonder there was a 911 attack. :rolleyes:

[is0lized]

Even thought America logs and records everything you do and say on the net and off, and I will probably be logged as a terrorist due to freedom of mind -

Iraq could be a threat, but someone made a good point that we might be inspecting Iraq just to see where to bomb them.

The thing is about America is that they will go after anyone that poses a threat even in a tiny way. They wont let people have weapons to defend themselves or attack unless they are an allie of US.

Department of Defense? Hah! Offense more like it. I think that Americas politics are way to out of hand.

Also, its more of an oil war so they can throw Saddam out of power and replace him with someone that will be Americas allie so they can get oil from the country like they did with Afghanistan, right now Alquada(sp?) is fighting the US's army with the Us's own weapons when we helped them back in the early 90's

The only reason why the terrorists attack the us is because they cant say how awful America is. No one will listen to them, so they have to say it by killing people just to listen to them.

I think the whole thing is just pure BS.




I been here a long time and i am almost 100% sure that this thread will be closed, because any politics threads ualy does get closed after 2-5 pages

[jmiller]

Somewhat off topic but I came across an interesting article today.

Apparently hate crimes against those of Middle Eastern descent rose by 1,500% in America since September 11th.

Incredibly appauling if you ask me, do Americans not realize that those people probably had absolutely nothing to do with 911?

http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=F9F51554-EA2B-4E3E-B2CA8DD48C161559

[Ben]

James, it's probably a bunch of rednecks with no education past 3rd grade thats doing all that....:confused2

Anyways, Iraq signed an AGREEMENT not to produce any weapons of mass destruction. Bush thinks he may have violated that, so thats why he's sending in inspectors. It's just like how Japan agreed never to produce armed forces after WWII.

Another thing: Why do you people keep associating 9/11 with Iraq? There's no connection whatsoever.

To be honest, I would rather the inspectors find missiles and the U.S. have them [and Hussein] disabled ["disabled"] permanently than have Iraq blow up the CDC, releasing viruses all over, reaching ATLANTA first. But thats just me.

[Canuckkev]

Well, no, the U.S. has no right to invade without consent of the U.N. Security council. That's how I see it.

[Toefur]

No.

I might consider otherwise if Iraq posed a legitimate threat, but no.

[harrypower]

NO WAR FOR OIL

Bush's motives have nothing to do with security or justice and everything to with 120 BILLION Barrels of Oil (estimated iraq oil reserves).

[is0lized]

We have enough oil, but wont touch it till other countrys run out

[murat]

noooo

[conkermaniac]

The US has about as much right in invading Iraq as the Vatican City has in invading Maldives.

[aphel aura]

Interesting responses. Why anyone here doesn't complain instead about Turkey having a military station in northern Iraq but make a lot of noise when bush wants to invade Iraq? At least Bush haven't done it yet...

[murat]

so you mean we(turkey) are going to kill some thousend arabs to get some thousend gallons of oil ?

[aphel aura]

Well, why don't you ask whether that reason is why your military have a military base in Iraq? Even US or Britain doesn't have any. Only Turkey have one, but no other countries complains, except Saddam of course. Double standards?

[murat]

to make the people more safe, not to kill them

[Dusty]

Why anyone here doesn't complain instead about Turkey having a military station in northern IraqYou didn't ask.

[Confuscious]

Has there been any protest about it? Like an organized protest group in your local area? I'm not hearing a lot of protest against it. In Toronto, there were quite a bit when the PM spoke his two cents and he is an absolute dumb --- for following big brother. Bush is most likely the biggest hippocrit I know.
American Presidents are setting up and staging everything to make them look good. They "help" a country, and destroys their economy, government, etc, and they go in and "help" them even more.

[aphel aura]

Originally posted by murat
to make the people more safe, not to kill them

What people does Turkey military wants to protect? Turkey citizens? If that so, does that make it right for Turkey to install a base right inside Iraq? Does Iraq in any way wants to attack Turkey? If Iran or Israel, I understand but Turkey?


You didn't ask.

Ok, then it is right for Turkey to have a military base in northern Iraq? The reason that Turkey wants to protect their citizens just doesn' hold any water here.

[harrypower]

I havent read up on the situation recently but i think the reason Turkey would have a military presence down there is to stop the Kurdish People moving up into South Eastern Turkey and to Stop the Formation of Kurdish State that would cover northern iraq and south eastern turkey.

[aphel aura]

Originally posted by harrypower
I havent read up on the situation recently but i think the reason Turkey would have a military presence down there is to stop the Kurdish People moving up into South Eastern Turkey and to Stop the Formation of Kurdish State that would cover northern iraq and south eastern turkey.

Maybe that reason is right, but does that give Turkey any rights to install a base in Iraq? I don't think so. India have problems with Pakistan-based Kashmir rebels, and did you see India making military bases in Pakistan? No! So are Russia with Chechnya-Georgia.

[The Red Guy]

In any case, no, there's no rights to invade Iraq. Unless of course Iraq attacks, maybe it'll be too late, but for now weapons inspectors will have to do their jobs. Wars aren't good at all, for all aspects, economy is the one that's hit the hardest, although some sectors would improve (daily products, food). As it is some places are still experiencing economic downturn, it'll make life tougher than ever.

[Blank Verse]

It's a sad world we live in. They're back in Iraq, lookig for these "weapons of mass destruction". War is inevitable with Bush at the helm. If they don't find anything, Bush won't believe they looked hard enough, and will essentially accuse Hussein of covering it all up. Of course, we all know what happens if they do find anything.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bush just wants to play with his toys.

[byrdgirl13]

Originally posted by aphel aura
At least Bush haven't done it yet...

ahem... as i understand it, bush may not have a military base inside iraq, but there have been plenty of planes flying around and bombing iraq ever since the gulf war "ended" 10 years ago...

and my opinion? ...

NO

(...it's interesting when we can talk without one person dominating the entire discussion. really...) anyway, i have been in world geography class this last semester and really, the US (and the west in general - europe included) has done more harm than good for other nations, especially in africa but in the middle east as well. so i don't think we should interfere with our weapons any longer. they just wind up firing back at us 20 years down the road, besides the immense destruction, poverty, and suffering they cause in the countries we "help."

[aphel aura]

Originally posted by byrdgirl13
ahem... as i understand it, bush may not have a military base inside iraq, but there have been plenty of planes flying around and bombing iraq ever since the gulf war "ended" 10 years ago...



They may have planes on the air, but they DON'T have any single soldier (probably there's intelligence officers) in there.

[satine]

Frankly, I think that noone has the right to make anyone suffer in any way, be it invasion or anything else. A naive view perhaps, but if everyone held it, none of the events everyone has spoken about in this thread would ever have happened. It would be so simple just for everyone to drop their weapons, but no one ever does.
Though it's already been said in this thread, it IS a sad world we live in.

[byrdgirl13]

Originally posted by satine
Frankly, I think that noone has the right to make anyone suffer in any way, be it invasion or anything else. A naive view perhaps, but if everyone held it, none of the events everyone has spoken about in this thread would ever have happened. It would be so simple just for everyone to drop their weapons, but no one ever does.
Though it's already been said in this thread, it IS a sad world we live in.


:whatthe: does someone here think a bit like me??? wow! yeah, i don't think we have the right to cause suffering, which is exactly what war does. hussein doesn't have the right to cause suffering either, but him causing suffering doesn't give us any more right to.

but...i don't think laying down our weapons is quite so easy. it's so engrained in society - that violence solves problems, i mean - that it would take more than just the US or the UN or something like that saying "ok, no one may use weapons against another person any longer" to make violence end. how would they prevent it? it's not just big nations starting wars that's the problem with violence, it's the mindset of a LOT of people. Even those of us who call ourselves pacifists have a hard time holding back the urge to hit someone with a bat when we get mad ;), so what more can we expect from the leaders of nations? they're human just like the rest of us.
... no one ever drops their weapons because no one has faith that anyone else will. it's a vicious cycle.

[Ben]

Speaking of Iraq and Hussein, this was on the daily show once....



Saddam Hussein called the US an "evil nation."
George Bush responded by calling Saddam an "evil man."
Saddam Hussein countered by calling Bush an "evil demon."
George Bush Responded by calling Saddam "poopy pants."

[harrypower]

Happy and You Know it Bomb Iraq
Sing this song to the tune of: "If You're Happy And You Know
It Clap Your Hands"

If we cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets hurt your Mama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are Saudi
And the bank takes back your Audi
And the TV shows are bawdy,
Bomb Iraq.

If the corporate scandals growin', bomb Iraq.
And your ties to them are showin', bomb Iraq.
If the smoking gun ain't smokin'
We don't care, and we're not jokin'.
That Saddam will soon be croakin',
Bomb Iraq.

Even if we have no allies, bomb Iraq.
From the sand dunes to the valleys, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections;
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.

While the globe is slowly warming, bomb Iraq.
Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq.
If the ozone hole is growing,
Some things we prefer not knowing.
(Though our ignorance is showing),
Bomb Iraq.

So here's one for dear old daddy, bomb Iraq,
From his favorite little laddy, bomb Iraq.
Saying no would look like treason.
It's the Hussein hunting season.
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq.

It's-all about-the-Oil-ly


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