NETCABINS

[programmer2k]

Are you dead for sure?
or are you coming back?

What's taking so long?
Your service was good

[Epgs]

coming back i believe (don't quote me please; even though someone will do it just to piss me off)

[NC_TOM]

We're coming back. It will take awhile still though.

We are re-doing everything related to our service. We will still be feature-packed, and we will be much more reliable than before. We'll be different, in a good way.

This time around we'll have a much faster connection on a much more reliable server, with daily backups. I am now part owner of DataBlocks.net and we are sharing a server with DataBlocks. It's configured to run smoothly with no problems under a large amount of users.

We will have ASP, MySQL, CGI, PHP, FTP, a web control panel, web upload, and much more available when we re-open.

Our mistake last time around was that we opened and started offering services BEFORE we were ready to!

While all of our members were using our services, we were still working on things in the background. We were working on security issues and enabling other things. It was like moving into a house before they put the roof on. The service was good most of the time, but there were times when the rain came down and things were awful because we were installing things, etc.

This time, EVERYTHING should be ready before we re-open. I can't say exactly when that will be, but it should be during April.

[LeX]

Good luck, it sounds like it's gonna be a sweet service! :)

[Epgs]

wow asp, mysql, and php cool!!!

[NC_TOM]

I forgot to mention, we will still provide subdomain and international domain hosting. :)

We shelled out the cash to get Chili!Soft ASP for Unix, so ASP will be one of the many benefits you will get from us compared to other hosts.

[LeX]

Well ya still have ads? If so, what kind(s)?

[NC_TOM]

We will still have ads. We're not positive of what kind yet. More info will be available when we open.

[Epgs]

doesn't matter for that kinda service

[stu]

why, because there's no service?

[NC_TOM]

What?

He means when we open, we will have great services. I guess maybe this went right over your head..

[Baggio]

So, when r u guys gonna open up again?

Cuz right now, I'm hesitating about if I ought to ftp my whole site to another new host after my old one f*cked up. If you'r gonna open soon, I'll just wait for it.

[laurie]

Sounds great.

I don't mind embeded page adds - but I HATE POPUPS!

[xyst]

>This time, EVERYTHING should be ready before we re-open.

The main threat, as I see, is the bandwich thiefs.
Also, if you remember, - missing of suEXEC. Without it hosting is nothing at all.
It would be great, if you return to at least the netcabins' quotas of disk space, i mean from datablock standards.
By the way the TOS of datablocks is the most awful thing i've ever seen. Your one was different.

[Coolin]

Please don't be like Datablocks and put those ugly popups on users' sites. Even with all those nice features, I wouldn't host there if I saw popups on my site while it's on your server. I'm sure others wouldn't host there too.

[JacklePoP]

I'll be waiting for Netcabins to be up, since gcsnet is down...~ :)

[Epgs]

yeah i feel the same way

[xyst]

>Please don't be like Datablocks and put those ugly popups
>on users' sites. Even with all those nice features, I
>wouldn't host there if I saw popups on my site while it's
>on your server.

I hope your words address not to me. I am not a competitor of Datablocks at all i.e. not a FWP.



[Edited by xyst on 04-01-2001 at 10:13 AM]

[Bruce]

I believe Coolin's statement was to Tom of Netcabins.

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Phrozen
I believe Coolin's statement was to Tom of Netcabins. It was. I'm sorry for anything in my post that was not clear. I would be happy to clear them up for you.

[xyst]

I am sorry, it was my fault. It was forgotten that in English a negation spreads on all verbs of the sentence.

[LeX]

Originally posted by xyst
It was forgotten that in English a negation spreads on all verbs of the sentence.
What's that supposed to mean? :confused:
Sorry for asking, because I flunked English... :p

[xyst]

I'd like to speak out a thought on FWH before answering LeX.

It now, after finished activity of many FWPs, is clear that the stone on which they stand has proved too small. I mean banners and popups, i.e. advertising. The Internet only has proved that all that are not efficient. It will be unreasonable to begin or try to continue using ads for profit in the Internet. If free services would like to survive, they should use something other. Referal fees, I think, the only possibility.

As to negation. In some languages can be more than one negations in a sentence. In the Russian for example.




[Edited by xyst on 04-02-2001 at 02:20 PM]

[k3vin]

Well, since bootbox apparently took a crap (ie dissapeared off the face of the earth), I need a host that has php/mysql/domain hosting. Netcabins looks like a good one, depending on what kind of ads. If it has popups, nobody will host there because popups are the incarnation of the devil. I don't like top ads, but bottom ads, button ads, or text link ads would be great. A text-link ad really carries more oomph because it looks like the site owner himself wrote the ad, instead of some ad that someone else made splatted onto the screen in the middle of someone's website. Since everyone ignores banners, wouldn't it be a good idea to try to integrate ads with content a little (because the ad and the content are written in the same medium)?

just my .02

[Coolin]

I don't think you need to worry that much. Netcabins was using user placable ads before they shut down. I think they will keep that advertising policy. But they may not...

[Baggio]

Yeah, hope they stick with placable ads, thats much better than those forced @ the top.

[Bruce]

With the features they're gonna have, I ain't gonna complain what kinda ads they have.

[laurie]

Even adds forced at the top do not bother me much - especially considering the features.
As long as they are not pop-ups (or pop-behinds) I can see this been a great service.

[Bruce]

Even pop-ups would be fine with me.

[gyrbo]

to NC_TOM
Any ideas when you guys going to open up?right now I'm with f2s, but they don't have domainhosting.
(to everybody)
Anybody knows or digitalrice has? In the serach it says it does, but at digitalrice I can find anything in that direction.

[laurie]

I just have this thing with popups.

[NC_TOM]

We plan on having popups be at least our main form of advertising. However, we do listen to our customers and it seems that some of you would have a big problem with popups. We will consider other options. Banners honestly cannot hold up a free web host anymore. Besides, we're looking to make a profit, not just stay open. Advertising is not our only source of revenue, we have other areas that will generate us extra income. This extra income is enough that we can afford to offer the type of hosting that we offer.

[gyrbo]

Keep this in mind NC TOM: Nobody likes popups! If I see one, it's closed before it even loads. I also have this nice progy called WebWasher. With that, you can disable ALL pop-up ads.

[laurie]

I think an advert at the top of the page is much better.
You could chose this with hypermart/virtualave which made their adds far less annoying.

[Baggio]

Honestly tho, IMO one banner fine by me, 2 banners, thats still alright by me, even 3 banners, fine I'll accomodate them somehow.

But pop ups? No way man!

[RedHat]

Isn't there another way to organize the ads ?
I was thinking about a system were the user can organize the ads himself, but he has to send 10% of his traffic to the ads system !

An example: a site on netcabins receives 30 000 visit/month when there are less then 3000 clicks on the ads, the account will be de-activated for a moth. The user can choose himself how and where he places the ads ...

Any comments ?

[laurie]

Add click through rates are usually nowhere near 10%

[LeX]

You can try pop-behinds and use cookies so that it won't show up for another 2~3 hours.

Honestly, popups are awful. But it would be even scarier if a popup pops up on every single page... *shudders*

[Coolin]

Originally posted by LeX
You can try pop-behinds and use cookies so that it won't show up for another 2~3 hours.

Honestly, popups are awful. But it would be even scarier if a popup pops up on every single page... *shudders* That's why I left Tripod... Their top banners are also ugly, so i didn't use them.

[Toefur]

Like everyone is saying everywhere... free things online are dying! If you want a decent free service... make a little sacrifice here and there. A popup is a popup, if ya don't like it... go pay :)

I bet half the people that don't wont popups, just wanna put their own popuptraffic ones on their sites anyway ;)

[laurie]

It's simple though - for some people they wont make the sacrifice and will use someone else with no pop-ups.

[Cracker]

Nbci is still pop-up free, and they're a hell of a lot faster than some FWP's WITH pop-ups. Of course, that could only be because they're rich up to their ears.

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Cracker
Nbci is still pop-up free, and they're a hell of a lot faster than some FWP's WITH pop-ups. Of course, that could only be because they're rich up to their ears. Frames are almost just as bad in my opinion. Yes, I know I am picky, but when I compare any host with the best (F2S), nothing seems to compare.

[laurie]

F2s - Great and British!

[Cracker]

Originally posted by Coolin
Frames are almost just as bad in my opinion.

They're good if your site itself uses frames. That way, you don't have to put up with an advertisement in every one of your frames, and you don't have to put up with pop-ups either. Plus, your HTML remains untampered with as well, due to the fact that the advertisement doesn't really appear "on" your pages. That's why I like Nbci, because I know that the HTML for my pages on Nbci is going to be EXACTLY THE SAME AS the HTML for the pages on my computer's hard drive.

[Edited by Cracker on 04-07-2001 at 12:11 PM]

[Mike-T]

NC_TOM;

Personally, I don't mind the pop-ups, even on each page, as long as they're singular. Nothing sux like going to a site where the pop-ups continuously spawn babies on your browser and refuse to die.

I've been a free webster (hate the terms: WEBMASTER or WEBMISTRESS) since '99 and prefer my webspace provider to make their money off of ads rather than me. I've kept my pages at Crosswinds, Tripod, Freeyellow, Homestead and Angelfire through thick and thin. I prefer them to have pop-ups or footers. This leaves the top banner space for me, if I choose. Only when they start piling on the pop-ups, do I move on to another webspace provider.

Now, that my son is teaching me about CGI and other scripts, I'm choosing my providers more cautiously.

There's no such thing as a free lunch! I can't wait until Netcabins back up. I hope you get rich!

Mike Taylor

[LeX]

Really, though, I don't think NC_TOM's doing this to profit from it.

[top]

Off topic but little reminder. Would you trade your copyrights to a site without popups?

Thread: NBCI & Copyright?
http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=3178

[gyrbo]

Don't have anything of intrest. Just some design and tutorials. But soon, I'm going to have some files to upload. Programs I made. Some stupid chat programm, but if NBCI would own that...

[crashcarstar]

sounds like a briliant service and then you go and mention ads, i suppose you have to get income from somewhere, but ads suck, will you be offering an upgrade (£) with no ads and if so at what cost?

i dont think i read anything about space either??

Thanks

Iain

[Mike-T]

Hey, NC_TOM. Do you any idea how long will it be before netcabins is up and running?

[Chris]

Originally posted by LeX
Really, though, I don't think NC_TOM's doing this to profit from it.

I think he is:



Originally posted by NC_TOM
Besides, we're looking to make a profit, not just stay open.

And there's nothing like that. The company looking to make a profit usually provides the best service.

[Coolin]

Originally posted by crashcarstar
i dont think i read anything about space either??Before they closed down, Netcabins offered 12 megs of space initially and allowed you to upgrade to 60 megs.

[LeX]

Originally posted by Chris

Originally posted by LeX
Really, though, I don't think NC_TOM's doing this to profit from it.

I think he is:



Originally posted by NC_TOM
Besides, we're looking to make a profit, not just stay open.

And there's nothing like that. The company looking to make a profit usually provides the best service. [/B]
So he is... well, he wasn't trying to profit from it before, was he? :confused: Dunno. I'll keep quiet.