Hosting servers....

[Ryan_man]

hello all.
Im gonna start my own hosting through my *cough cable modem *cough.
Clawz.net is gone so i have to imprevise. Anywho. I was wondering, does anyone know the best server software supporting CGI/PHP and domainhosting option (i own my domain). I dono anything about this, but I have tried phptriad, and it really wont work for me. the install keeps saying bad file and setup is shutting down, So i tried theb eta, and it wont work. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Epgs]

try apache and installing all the add ons

[Ryan_man]

http://www.apache.org you mean? and get all of the programs on the left menu?

[AlabamaMan]

Why start a webhost when you are not going to survive in less than a month? You do know that cable modem and DSL ISPs will ban you for hosting files, dont you?

[Ryan_man]

I kinda did... Can I at least host my own webpage do you think?

[Epgs]

if it is very very small and not much traffic and all

[programmer2k]

what happened to clawz
did they ban him?

[sparkfan12]

probably it was because clawz was using an illegal version of UBB without the copyright. Maybe he had to pay and lost money

[Omari]

find out how they catch people and you will know if you should do it or not...

[Omari]

someone who does not use @home do this guy a favor and go to http://athchat02.tci.net/ and ask how they track down people who use servers if no one reports it... i would do it but i don't want them to get suspicious of me(even though i don't run a web server off my @home connection right now)

by the way, it's not through e-mail, they tech support people for you to chat with 24/7...

[Omari]

Omari Amili: can you do me a big favor? won't take long
PiM316: Depends
Omari Amili: i need you to ask someone a question for me
PiM316: Okay
Omari Amili: http://athchat02.tci.net/ - select product support, put any name in
PiM316: k
Omari Amili: ask how they track down people who use servers if no one reports it
Omari Amili: it is a chat with a @home support person
PiM316: k
Omari Amili: say this: How do you guys find out if someone is running a web or ftp server on their @home connection if no one reports it?
PiM316: k
Omari Amili: i want to find out if they have some kind of tracking device
PiM316: k
PiM316: He said: "We have tools that scan the network."
Omari Amili: ok, thanks

[sparkfan12]

Originally posted by Omari
find out how they catch people and you will know if you should do it or not...

actually I reported him to UBB. He deserved it, though. Normally I could care less about people pirating boards, but he was being an ******* to his users by cussing them out when they had a question, so I thought he deserved it.

[AlabamaMan]

His host offered unlimited space and unlimited bandwidth. He probably had a lot of users. 10-20 users are not even acceptable to @Home, they probably caught him and shut his host down. About him using an illegal version of UBB, all he had to do was remove it from his website. I doubt INFOPOP would give a rat <bleep> about him pirating their software anyway.

[LeX]

Oh yeah. "Unlimited" bandwidth... of course. He's not paying for it, so it doesn't really matter to the clawz guy how much bandwidth is eaten everyday.

I'd be very surprised if he wasn't banned from @Home for trying to run a server off their cable.

[Ryan_man]

Wow. I never noticed how many pricks there are on this board. I cannot beileve after how long clawz tried to get their hosting going and finally did, till Mr law hit a speed bump. Someone reported him? WTF for. I Think the person who reported him probally doesnt have cable themselfs. And are just trying to be a big hero, otherwise he wouldnt have reported on this board about it. Clawz was a great host, perhaps one the best i've had hte privledge to be with. Unlimited space, and a bottom banner. Now that's my kind of host. I dont see why clawz was tormented on this board. And well, I think im on a FWP search again... :(

[programmer2k]

darn

[sHaWn]

My DSL service, Bell Sympatico High-speed Edition which is based in Canada, said they turn a blind eye to web servers and don't care about bandwidth usage, unless you're a business user. So that's not true that all ISP's will ban you for hosting. Just call up your ISP's support line and ask.

[Ryan_man]

Yeah, but when it comes to cable its a big no-no. Because a lot of people share one line... in other words, the more bandwidth you use up, the slower supposidly it will go. Now, I was told by a friend that he did set up a web server on his computer through the same ISP as i use, and he says they never disconnected him once. I wonder...... is it worth it? Probally not...

[AlabamaMan]

Originally posted by sHaWn
My DSL service, Bell Sympatico High-speed Edition which is based in Canada, said they turn a blind eye to web servers and don't care about bandwidth usage, unless you're a business user. So that's not true that all ISP's will ban you for hosting. Just call up your ISP's support line and ask.




Thats what all unlimited bandwidth hosts say, not until you 'abuse' their service LOL.

[jimmacr]

Most of the Cable ISP's do portscan's on the IP ranges they own, on the usual server ports, 21, 23, 25, 80, 110, etc. Once they get responses from the ports, they will investigate further. OOL, which is the cable isp I use, will only scan if they have reason to belive you are running a server, and unlike @home, will not spend days portscanning every computer on their network. Each ISP has different approaches to servers, etc.

As per reasons why most cable ISP's don't allow servers, is that servers mostly use upstream bandwidth. Upstream bandwidth is more scare on cable networks too. For all you infomation junkies: Upstream connections on DOCSIS cable modems could ether use QPSK Modulation (~5.12megabits/sec) or 16QAM Modulation (~10 megabit/sec). These are per node specs, meaning for all the people in your area that are on the same subnet as you are on. For Downstream connections the maximum is acheived using 256QAM modulation (~32-25 megabit/sec). Depending upon the ISP you have, they might be using different modulation schemes. But, I just outlined the limits to it above. So now you know why the cable isps really want to limit your upstream usage.

[sparkfan12]

I Think the person who reported him probally doesnt have cable themselfs
Well, today you're right. If you would have said that tomorrow, you would have been wrong since I get cable internet tomorrow.

I don't care what he offered. His UBB was pirated and there's no reason he should have gotten away with it, especially after being rude and cussing out his users when they had questions about something. As I said, if he would hav been polite to his customers, I wouldn't have cared, but I saw that he deserved it. Cussing out people is no way to treat customers even if they're getting it for free. He deserved what he got, if it was home.com making him shut down his server or infopop suing him.

He was probably pissing off neighbors that have cable, too. There's no reason he should get all the bandwidth leaving everyone else with slow speeds.

[Tristan]

I agree w/sparkfan (even though my site was on Clawz)-he could have just used Ikonboard and be like Matt-he only cussed at us once :)
Even though he ratted Clawz out for the pirated UBB (probably 90% of UBBs are pirated), that wouldn't be how @home found out-as someone said, they have port scanners that can find out if something is running on a default server port, i.e. 80. So, before anyone else decides to shout at sparkfan12, remember that all Infocrap (oops, I mean Infopop ;)) can do is force him to remove the board.

[AlabamaMan]

This is my theory:
People live in Clawz's neiborghood have been playing games with 4 KB upstream (that would give you 3000ping in Quake3) for over a month because Clawz.com was sucking the upstream bandwidth. They complained to @home and the ISP started to investigate. Of course thats just my theory, theres 70% chance of being wrong LOL.

[Tristan]

As I said, they have port scanners that send requests to a bunch of common ports-if they send a request to port 80 (the default web server port) and get a response, they know that something is going on...

[Coolin]

Ryan_man, how does enforcing rules made by @Home make us a "prick?" Those rules were made for a reason, and if they are broken, it is our duty to let them know. If someone pointed a gun at you, and someone else tried to phone the police, would you call them a prick?

[keith]

Originally posted by Ryan_man
Clawz was a great host, perhaps one the best i've had hte privledge to be with.

uh, yeah... until it went under.

think about it: just because a guy offers unlimited space/bandwidth, no ads, it's all of a sudden the best?? so even it it lasts a week, then dies, it's the best?? ha, get your priorities straight.

just because a guy foolishly rushes into hosting with features he can't possibly survive on doesn't make it the 'best' host. far from it... maybe something like the 'least thought out, dead from the start' host. yeah, that's more like it.

[Omari]

if someone creates their own port like say 2385 do you think they would be caught? or can they even do that

[Tristan]

No they wouldn't, but your URL would have to include the port--www.domain.com:2385

[Omari]

well he could do that and use a url redirector like mydomain.com or zoneedit.com

[sparkfan12]

im getting cable internet today. the guy is supposed to come in 3-5 hours to install it. Now I would be pissed if I got on my brand new connection and my neighbor is hogging all the bandwidth and it still seems I'm on 56k. Wouldn't you be pissed? Yes you would, and you probably would report him to your/his ISP. I would too. ANd my neighbors wouldnt like it if I got on my brand new connection, set up a server, let 200 people download from me on napster at one time while downloading RedHat Linux. It would hog the bandwidth and they would be pissed and report me so they can get the speeds they're supposed to. So what home.com did was not wrong. I think it was a smart move. They wanted to keep their customers happy by shutting down someone who was hogging bandwidth.