Need New Connection..

[Mr. Dogg]

I have a choice of either getting a new phone line, a DSL Service, or a Cable Service. I will probably be getting the cheapest. The cheapest I I have found is that a phone line will be 15 per month, a DSL will be 40 per month and Cable 30..anyone know anything cheaper. And what would be the best to get? Thanks

[psx-dude]

It depends higly on the service provider.

For internet stay away from Verizon, they are the worst!

And check http://www.dslreports.com

[Coolin]

Ask if your cable connection is capped, if it isn't, cable all the way!

[Rodie]

I don't mind my upload speed being capped that much. When I download, I get anywhere from 1.5-3 Mb. When I upload, it's closer to about 128-300 Kb. Considering I'd have to spend at least double to get the same download speed from a DSL service, I am pretty happy. I really don't do that much uploading anyway, and it's still relatively fast when I do.

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Rodie
1.5-3 MbIs that Megabytes per second or Mega bits per second?

[LeX]

Cable sux once it gets too many users.

[Coolin]

Originally posted by LeX
Cable sux once it gets too many users. I live in an area where no one has dial-up. And it's still pretty darn fast for me.

[Giancarlo]

Stick with DSL... it is much more reliable than Cable... though in Argentina, it is nearly $80/Monthly it is better than paying $130/Monthly in Phone Bills on an Dial Up Service.

[Rodie]

Originally posted by Coolin

Originally posted by Rodie
1.5-3 MbIs that Megabytes per second or Mega bits per second?

1.5 Megabits. I thought the abbreviation for megabits was Mb, and megabytes was MB. Of course, I was probably wrong. If I was getting 1.5 Megabyte/sec downloads I would feel so guilty for hogging that much bandwith :), well not really heh

Cable generally gives you more bang for your buck when it works as it's supposed to. Theoretically it's capable of 10 mbps transfers, but most of the time, it should work somewhere between 1.5-3 mbps (that's megabits). For the same price as cable (30 bucks a month w/o a modem rental since we bought it), the highest DSL plan we could get would be 384 kbps, which hardly even compares to my cable when it's working right.

[Jerry]

there is always isdn.. (i think everyone forgot about that)

it is $20 in my area.. 128k.. about 16kbytes/sec and if you are lucky 20kbytes/sec downloads

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Jerry
there is always isdn.. (i think everyone forgot about that)

it is $20 in my area.. 128k.. about 16kbytes/sec and if you are lucky 20kbytes/sec downloads Yeah, and if you double the amount of money, you could get cable with 200kbytes/sec downloads with FlashGet. I wonder which is a better deal...

[LeX]

Originally posted by Coolin

Originally posted by LeX
Cable sux once it gets too many users. [/B]I live in an area where no one has dial-up. And it's still pretty darn fast for me. [/B]
Right... and what's the population of the area you live in? I live in a densely populated area, so cable isn't for me.

[Gayowulf]

But cable would still be better than dialup in densly populated places would it not?

cable is not yet available where i am, and dialup is slow. Make due with what you can get. If money is no object get the fastest you can.

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Gayowulf
But cable would still be better than dialup in densly populated places would it not?No, it wouldn't.

[Gayowulf]

Why not?

[Coolin]

Because everyone in a certain neighbourhood uses the same cable line. A cable line has a 10 mbps capacity. A neighbourhood with a dense population probably has more cable users. And a neighbourhood with less population probably has less cable users. If 100 users used cable at the same time, that 10mbps will be split up so it equates to 0.1mbps per user. That means you will download at about 12Kbytes/sec. If there are 10 users of cable in your neighbourhood, each one will have 1mbps. That means you'll download at 120kbytes/sec. Which one is faster?

[Giancarlo]

Don't use Cable... DSL is much, much more reliable... and its speed doesn't fraction when there are many people using the service like cable does.

[Coolin]

Cable at it's slowest isn't much slower than DSL. Cable at it's fastest will beat DSL all the time. I recommmend cable internet if you don't live in an area with a dense population full of people who use cable internet. For you, it's cheaper anyways. (It's the same price where I live)

[Rodie]

Originally posted by Coolin
Because everyone in a certain neighbourhood uses the same cable line. A cable line has a 10 mbps capacity. A neighbourhood with a dense population probably has more cable users. And a neighbourhood with less population probably has less cable users. If 100 users used cable at the same time, that 10mbps will be split up so it equates to 0.1mbps per user. That means you will download at about 12Kbytes/sec. If there are 10 users of cable in your neighbourhood, each one will have 1mbps. That means you'll download at 120kbytes/sec. Which one is faster?

Hmm, it would probably be more accurate to say that the maximum speed you can get through coaxial cable is 10 mbps. I think most cable providers carry their signals over fiber-optic lines where the signal then gets converted and placed into analog coaxial cable and then that lines comes into your house, where it's split up amongst your TV's and your cable modem. There are also probably OC3 lines and other high-bandwith media which the signal travels through from the provider's internet network out to the internet.

And it's also really hard to guesstimate what your bandwith will be dependent on how many users there are on a single node. For a lot of factors such as most cable infrastructure's being full-duplex, and just that bandwith isn't evenly divided about dependent on how many users there are.

[Giancarlo]

I had Cable before, and it was much slower than the DSL Service I am using now... strange but true. Cable can become very slow... and it is way to insecure even with a firewall. I suggest you get DSL at all costs, it has an non-static IP Address.

[Rodie]

most cable providers are switching over to DHCP from static IP addressing. And cable modems are extremely secure in newer models built to the DOCSIS standard, which uses heavy DES encryption methods. If built to the DOCSIS standard, it's no less vunerable than ADSL. So long as you don't have printer and file sharing enabled without a decent firewall (or a router and bind the internal LAN to a non-routable protocol like NetBEUI), you shouldn't have much of a problem. And that really can be said for most DSL technologies and cable broadband.

That said, it's pointless to make claims as to which is the better service. In my area, cable is the better value by far. In other areas, DSL is a lot better. If you have friends with broadband access, ask them what they think of their respective services. And also, see what you can get. If you're willing to shell out a bit more, DSL will probably give you the best service w/o an upload cap

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Rodie
If you're willing to shell out a bit more, DSL will probably give you the best service w/o an upload cap Although this may be true for most neighbourhoods, it isn't for mine. I can reach 400kb/s on a $40 cable service. Meanwhile, a $40 DSL service offers a max of 150kb/s and $100 DSL offers a max of 280kb/s. Then again, DSL's speed is probably more consistent.

[Koolguy]

From what I've heard a coaxal cable can handle 39Mbit's.

[Giancarlo]

DSL is better... in my experiences...

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
DSL is better... in my experiences...
Cable is better... in my experiences...

[LeX]

Get a T-3...

[gyrbo]

Originally posted by LeX
Get a T-3...
Get an OC-255 :p

[Rodie]

Get porn

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Rodie
Get porn How fast is that connection? Is it reliable? Does it get slower at peak times? ;)

[Koolguy]

Not very reliable, bad downtime. Can get you arrested... :p

[LeX]

Porn = unwanted offsprings... :eek:

[Mr. Dogg]

I'll be getting cable..its 10 bucks cheaper then Cable and almost no one has it in my area. Those that do have it have nothing but high regards. Also, does anyone know if with Optimum Online I'll have to buy my own cable modem..how much would it be?

This is how I'm guessing it'll be so far..

Cable Modem - ??
Installation - 299
Monthly - 33

[el crapo]

Mr. Dogg confused me by saying
I'll be getting cable..its 10 bucks cheaper then Cable

??

[Giancarlo]

Here in Argentina:

Dialup:
Monthly Fees - $9.95/Month
Phone Bill Fees - $130.00/Month for heavy users (1 Cent/Minute Charge)

Total - $139.95/Monthly

DSL:
Monthly Fees - $84/Month
Phone Bill Fees - ZERO!

Total - $84/Monthly

That is my reason why I would switch to DSL.

[Rodie]

Originally posted by Mr. Dogg
I'll be getting cable..its 10 bucks cheaper then Cable

That must be some damn cheap service!

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Mr. Dogg
Also, does anyone know if with Optimum Online I'll have to buy my own cable modem..how much would it be?I dunno about how much it really costs, but here, if you damage your cable modem, it's $900 out of your pocket for a replacement. They're probably overcharging us though.

[Rodie]

900 dollars? They must have a real proprietery system or something. If your cable provider is DOCSIS complient, you can get one for 100-200 bucks.

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Rodie
900 dollars? They must have a real proprietery system or something. If your cable provider is DOCSIS complient, you can get one for 100-200 bucks. Then either my provider is trying to rip me off or it isn't DOCSIS compliant. I'm guessing that latter though, as my cable company has been offering cable internet since 1995. (Early isn't it?) DOCSIS probably wasn't invented back then.

[Koolguy]

What brand is your modem? The one im using right now is a Motorola.

[LeX]

I used to have a Motorola cable modem too, when I was using cable. There was a spelling mistake printed big and white on it. (The case is black)

[Omari]

from my experiances:

DSL: 40 bucks a month... downloaded at about 20-30 kb/ps, was all happy because i previously used free 56k... got booted every 2 hours by the company(uswest, if i didn't want to get booted i had to pay extra) so i couldn't download big files, i had to put up with getting booted every 2 hours, i had to dial up every time i used it... don't know about upload speeds, good thing is i got to keep the modem(i wanna sell it but i don't know who to sell it to)

Cable: 19.99 for the first 3 months. 39.99 after that... very very fast download speeds if i am downloading from a fast server... when i download on napster from some t3s i get stuff damn near instantly... 15 kb/ps uploads suck, but i can live with it... it is always on... when i turn my computer on, i am on the internet, i can leave my computer on 24/7 and never worry about getting booted... i download all kinds of stuff on this thing... if i kept my dsl i would not have been able to download the stuff i download(full lenth movies that are still in the theatres take up quite a bit of space on my computer now)

for me cable wins... my dsl provider sucked... what kind of company boots people every 2 hours and tells them if they don't want to get booted they have to pay more? what i had was called dsl but from what i hear about dsl it was not no damn dsl... dsl should not dial up every time you use it, it should be always on...


now, after waisting my time typing this i will continue with what i was doing :)

[Omari]

Originally posted by Koolguy
What brand is your modem? The one im using right now is a Motorola.

my cable modem is rca

[Giancarlo]

DSL always have worked better than Cable for me... I had use cable twice already, ditched it after six months because the speed was seriously underestimated than what it said. The DSL could be up all day, and all you need to is click the connect and it is connected instantly. It has the fastest speeds I ever seened.

[Edited by Giancarlo on 05-02-2001 at 02:13 PM]

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Koolguy
What brand is your modem? The one im using right now is a Motorola. Mine is a Motorola CyberSURFR Wave...

I guess that's why my internet service is called PowerSURFR...

All I hate about cable is thatstupid 10 gig download limit a month I have. But many others don't have a download limit... I'm envious.

[Koolguy]

For example I live in the same city as Coolin and have the exact same cable modem. The only dif. is that im on the other side of the city from him, a part that doesnt have his cable company. While his has a 10 GIG limit mine has none. :)

[Coolin]

Originally posted by Koolguy
While his has a 10 GIG limit mine has none. :)
:(

I'm moving! ;)