Revenue Pilot :( Help!!!

[Kap]

Hi,
I own www.dollspot.com, a very large AIM buddy icon site. I recently tried out revenue pilot for about 2 weeks. It was probably the best program I have ever used in all my days of being a webmaster. I was making between 10-60 cents per click. Unfortunately just a few days ago it took a turn for the worst. First off they decided to disable all premium advertisements from my site, dropping the pay to around 1/2-3 cents a click. I contacted them immediately about this because I felt this change was not warranted. Their reasoning was that the keywords I had selected for my banners did not go with my site. I then went on their site and tried to find this in text. I discovered to no surprise, there was no rule on this issue. All it said was to select a keyword that might INTEREST some of your visitors. I later decided to try to pick some better keywords that went with my site. I emailed them back on the issue asking them kindly to please re-enable premium advertisements on my site. To my shock they replied back with news that my account had been suspended because my site was down. I called them up as soon as I could because my site was in-fact never down. I left a message with one of their secretaries. They emailed me back later that day telling me that the real reason was because I have some popup downloader thing on my site and they said they could not reach my site because of it. It really confused me because anyone can plainly see all you have to do to bypass these pop-ups is to X them out of simply click no when it asks if you want to install the software. Even if they couldn't access site because of these popups, they aren't paying me for impressions. I am only getting paid when someone clicks the banners under their own free will. If Revenue Pilot could straighten this all out I would gladly go back to using them, and I would also like to know whether or not I will be compensated for the commissions I was owed up until my account's suspension. If you see this "Revenue Pilot" could you please fill me in as to if I am going to be paid, since I can no longer log into my account. It wouldn't be such a big deal if it was like $20-$30, but we are talking about almost $1000 and I am depending on this money to cover all of my server fees. :confused2

Thanks, Kyle

[Jan]

Maybe they should make up their mind why you were actually terminated. I have just been reading the TOS http://www.revenuepilot.com/terms.html and there is a section that mentions the higher bids.

RevenuePilot reserves the right to limit or annul Affiliate’s access to premium advertisers with higher bids. Failure to comply with the search and click standards may result in termination of Affiliate's participation in the RevenuePilot Program and in the forfeiture of all monies owed to Affiliate by RevenuePilot.

[WabbyTwax]

I have heard some negative things about Revenue Pilot and situations like this before. There is a guy from Revenue Pilot that posts here, he should see this and give you a reply. Hopefully they will pay you what they owe because it seems that would be the right thing to do. There are too many ad companies like this that cancel their accounts for rediculous reasons then pocket the money that is owed to the webmaster. Good luck though and keep trying to get in touch with someone at Revenue Pilot that can help you!

[Kap]

Originally posted by Jan
Maybe they should make up their mind why you were actually terminated. I have just been reading the TOS http://www.revenuepilot.com/terms.html and there is a section that mentions the higher bids.


RevenuePilot reserves the right to limit or annul Affiliate’s access to premium advertisers with higher bids. Failure to comply with the search and click standards may result in termination of Affiliate's participation in the RevenuePilot Program and in the forfeiture of all monies owed to Affiliate by RevenuePilot.

Yes, I have also read this, but all the search and click standards have to do with is fraudulent clicks, and stuff like that, but I have not broken any of those rules. All my banner clicks were legit. My site gets 4-6 thousand unique hits on weekdays and 8-10 thousand uniques hits on weekends, which can explain the large number of clicks on my banners.

Thanks, Kyle

[Jan]

I haven't seen Anatoliy on line for a while, but try emailing him anatoliyt@revenuepilot.com with a link to this thread.

[RevenuePilot]

Hi Everyone,

After having a long discussion with our anti-fraud team I would like to share with you what actually transpired:

We received a number of complaints from advertisers regarding the traffic quality coming from dollspot affiliate account. As soon as the complaints came in, an internal investigation was immediately launched by our anti-fraud team, and dollspots access to search listings of advertisers who complained was blocked. Please note that at that time we didn't suspend his account since we didn't yet have a chance to closely analyze
the traffic that was being sent. While analyzing the past traffic, our anti-fraud team also tried accessing affiliates site, but it was
inaccessible. Subsequently, it became clear that the traffic was
completely fraudulent. Furthermore, dollpsot started sending traffic (the same fraudulent traffic) from another url, thus trying to bypass our filters.

Kyle: Eventually, when you changed the keywords on your site, it seems you also added some kind of a spyware download to your site and if your site visitor with an Internet Explorer browser choeses not to download the spyware and clicked NO he gets asked again and again until the pop up shuts down his browser or until the browser freezes. Since at that time our analysts became certain that your traffic was fraudulent we immediately canceled the affiliate account.

Please note that we only make money if our affiliates make money and it is in our best interest to have as many affiliates as possible and to build long lasting mutually beneficial relationships. In fact, we currently have thousands of active affiliates; some of them are working with us for quite a while and are very satisfied with the results. However, we will not tolerate any fraudulent traffic since it hurts everyone in the industry. We are 100% committed to protecting our advertisers and insuring best quality of traffic. If we would let people abuse our system we would lose our advertisers and the vast majority of honest webmasters would be hurt, advertisers and affiliates alike, since our bid prices would go down. Kyle, you will not receive any money from this traffic since it was fraudulent and we were obligated to refund all our advertisers for the clicks coming from your account.

As a side note: personally Im not sure how a site which auto-installs spyware and crashes browsers can have so many users!

regards,

[Kap]

Wow this is the biggest pile of crap I have ever heard. How is my traffic fraudulant? Is this what you do to everyone, just call their traffic fraudulant? I haven't forced anyone to click your banners, every click was legit. Why don't you go and check my sites traffic statistics http://www.mvtracker.com/stats.php?l=dollspot1 .Looks pretty real to me. :confused2 I just hate how some of you advertising companys can't pay their members and make up all this bull---- to get out of it. I'll be sure and spread the good word about this scam your company is running. Also could you give one piece of legit proof that says my traffic is fraudulant?

Below I have posted a copy of all emails that where exchanged with revenue pilot.

I said:
"Hey,
I just read you email about your explanation of why my clicks arnt
paying hardly anything anymore. I am a little confused still. How can I
go from getting like 50 cents a click to getting almost 1/2 cent a
click. This does not sound right. Also can you provide me with some
information as to why my account level was lowered because I just dont
understand how one day it was fine and the next day you do this. One of
my friends said you did the same thing to him so I dunno if this is what
you do to everyone. So if possible could you please check and find out
exactly why my account status was lowered because I feel I have done
nothing wrong.

Thanks, Kyle"

They Said:
"Hi Kyle,

Your domain has been blocked for our premium advertisers because your
web site has nothing to do with gambling, casino or poker and displying
such advertisements leads to very low quality of traffic for our
advertisers. We preffer that our affiliates use keywords that are
related to their sites so this way there will be more clicks for you
since visitors are interested in those ads and this way there will also
be better quality clicks for our advertisers."

I said:
"Hey,
I was wondering if you could please reupgrade my account level back to
premium since you said you would in a previous email if I selected some
better keywords for my ads and did everything you asked me to do.

Thanks, Kyle"

They said:
"Hi Kyle,

Your account is being upgraded and downgraded automatically by our
programs. It may happen few times a day or not at all. But rest assured
because our programs are trying to send as much of your traffic as
possible to our highest advertisers."

I said:
"Hi,

I dont think you followed my last request to get my account reupgraded
to premium. Here is a copy of the first email you sent me.

"Subj: RE: Support - Other
Date: 11/12/2003 3:52:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: "Support Team" <support@revenuepilot.com>
To: <k13kyle@aol.com>
Reply-To: <support@revenuepilot.com>
Sent from the Internet (Details)




Hi Kyle,

Your domain has been blocked for our premium advertisers because your
web site has nothing to do with gambling, casino or poker and displying
such advertisements leads to very low quality of traffic for our
advertisers. We preffer that our affiliates use keywords that are
related to their sites so this way there will be more clicks for you
since visitors are interested in those ads and this way there will also
be better quality clicks for our advertisers."

I replied back yesturday.
"Hey,
I was wondering if you could please reupgrade my account level back to
premium since you said you would in a previous email if I selected some
better keywords for my ads and did everything you asked me to do.

Thanks, Kyle"

Then you replied with this.

"Hi Kyle,

Your account is being upgraded and downgraded automatically by our
programs. It may happen few times a day or not at all. But rest assured
because our programs are trying to send as much of your traffic as
possible to our highest advertisers."

Sounds like I got you confused I just wanted my account unblocked from
premium advertisers. Since I changed all my keywords to better ones.

Thanks, Kyle"

They said:
"Hi Kyle,

Your web site is currently inaccessible and therefore your account has
been suspended."

I said:
"On 11/18/2003 2:30pm, Affiliate (ID 7753) called to inquire about his
"suspended" account status and if it can be removed. Also asked if it
would be possible to update listing feed to PREMIUM status. Please
respond
promptly to:

k13kyle@aol.com

Regards,

RevenuePilot Info Center
info@revenuepilot.com"

They said:
"Hi,

There is a problem with your web site and anyone using Internet Explorer
can't enter your web site unless they download some spyware. We tracked
the problem to this Javascript:
http://www.NetpalOffers.net/NetpalOffers/DM0/confirmd0llsp.js

Since we don't want to download that software we can't view your web
site. So far your traffic quality isn't that good and we can't update
your account to premium advertisers."



After reviewing all of the emails we have exchanged I do not see anything about fraudulant clicks. It seems to me that you are just trying to get out of paying me by making up all this bull----.

Thanks, Kyle

[WabbyTwax]

I believe that regardless of what crap downloads from his site you should still pay him for the traffic he sent. I don't believe for a minute that he sent fraudulent clicks. Why don't you tell us, revenuepilot, how much you earned from the time he used your site vs. how much you would have to pay him. You shouldn't leave people on your network for so long then all of a sudden cut them off and label them as fraudulent while keeping any share of funds that may have been owed to them. These websites arent cheap to operate with the amount of traffic and bandwidth a site like that does. Due to the drop in advertising market in the past 5 years large scale sites are forced to place just about any type of ad to receive the necessary funding. I hope you find at least some middle ground here and compensate this guy for something. By just simply denying he didnt earn you any money at all you are basically committing theft by deception. Even if its the legal thing to do I would hope to see an ad company like revenuepilot do the moral thing. I have been mislead by too many ad companies in the past year to believe that they all wear halos.

[Kap]

Oh ya also I forgot to mention, I have had those downloader popups on my site for less then a week. I was forced to put them on to cover the site fees after you blocked my site from all premium advertisers.

Thanks, Kyle

[leamhost.com]

This is the cruelest story I have heard. I would take legal action.

[RevenuePilot]

Kyle,

While you posted your email conversations with our staff, some of the correspondence is clearly missing. The reason you were not told about any fraudulent traffic in your conversations with our support that youve posted above was because you were talking to our support team and not the anti-fraud department. Our Support team does not assume that everyone contacting them is sending us fraudulent clicks and it had no idea why your traffic quality was low therefore it followed simple procedure and gave you one of a few logical suggestions, which was to change the keywords being used so that it would be more relevant to your visitors.

You also conveniently missed including an e-mail from us in your above post that addressed you willfully trying to bypass our filters by sending us the same traffic from an empty domain. At around the same time it appears that you added your pop-ups which made your site inaccessible and cast doubt on the validity of your traffic. As soon as our anti-fraud team became certain that your traffic was fraudulent we did notify you right away regarding the termination of your account.

regards,


Originally posted by Kap
Wow this is the biggest pile of crap I have ever heard. How is my traffic fraudulant? Is this what you do to everyone, just call their traffic fraudulant? I haven't forced anyone to click your banners, every click was legit. Why don't you go and check my sites traffic statistics http://www.mvtracker.com/stats.php?l=dollspot1 .Looks pretty real to me. :confused2 I just hate how some of you advertising companys can't pay their members and make up all this bull---- to get out of it. I'll be sure and spread the good word about this scam your company is running. Also could you give one piece of legit proof that says my traffic is fraudulant?

Below I have posted a copy of all emails that where exchanged with revenue pilot.

I said:
"Hey,
I just read you email about your explanation of why my clicks arnt
paying hardly anything anymore. I am a little confused still. How can I
go from getting like 50 cents a click to getting almost 1/2 cent a
click. This does not sound right. Also can you provide me with some
information as to why my account level was lowered because I just dont
understand how one day it was fine and the next day you do this. One of
my friends said you did the same thing to him so I dunno if this is what
you do to everyone. So if possible could you please check and find out
exactly why my account status was lowered because I feel I have done
nothing wrong.

Thanks, Kyle"

They Said:
"Hi Kyle,

Your domain has been blocked for our premium advertisers because your
web site has nothing to do with gambling, casino or poker and displying
such advertisements leads to very low quality of traffic for our
advertisers. We preffer that our affiliates use keywords that are
related to their sites so this way there will be more clicks for you
since visitors are interested in those ads and this way there will also
be better quality clicks for our advertisers."

I said:
"Hey,
I was wondering if you could please reupgrade my account level back to
premium since you said you would in a previous email if I selected some
better keywords for my ads and did everything you asked me to do.

Thanks, Kyle"

They said:
"Hi Kyle,

Your account is being upgraded and downgraded automatically by our
programs. It may happen few times a day or not at all. But rest assured
because our programs are trying to send as much of your traffic as
possible to our highest advertisers."

I said:
"Hi,

I dont think you followed my last request to get my account reupgraded
to premium. Here is a copy of the first email you sent me.

"Subj: RE: Support - Other
Date: 11/12/2003 3:52:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: "Support Team" <support@revenuepilot.com>
To: <k13kyle@aol.com>
Reply-To: <support@revenuepilot.com>
Sent from the Internet (Details)




Hi Kyle,

Your domain has been blocked for our premium advertisers because your
web site has nothing to do with gambling, casino or poker and displying
such advertisements leads to very low quality of traffic for our
advertisers. We preffer that our affiliates use keywords that are
related to their sites so this way there will be more clicks for you
since visitors are interested in those ads and this way there will also
be better quality clicks for our advertisers."

I replied back yesturday.
"Hey,
I was wondering if you could please reupgrade my account level back to
premium since you said you would in a previous email if I selected some
better keywords for my ads and did everything you asked me to do.

Thanks, Kyle"

Then you replied with this.

"Hi Kyle,

Your account is being upgraded and downgraded automatically by our
programs. It may happen few times a day or not at all. But rest assured
because our programs are trying to send as much of your traffic as
possible to our highest advertisers."

Sounds like I got you confused I just wanted my account unblocked from
premium advertisers. Since I changed all my keywords to better ones.

Thanks, Kyle"

They said:
"Hi Kyle,

Your web site is currently inaccessible and therefore your account has
been suspended."

I said:
"On 11/18/2003 2:30pm, Affiliate (ID 7753) called to inquire about his
"suspended" account status and if it can be removed. Also asked if it
would be possible to update listing feed to PREMIUM status. Please
respond
promptly to:

k13kyle@aol.com

Regards,

RevenuePilot Info Center
info@revenuepilot.com"

They said:
"Hi,

There is a problem with your web site and anyone using Internet Explorer
can't enter your web site unless they download some spyware. We tracked
the problem to this Javascript:
http://www.NetpalOffers.net/NetpalOffers/DM0/confirmd0llsp.js

Since we don't want to download that software we can't view your web
site. So far your traffic quality isn't that good and we can't update
your account to premium advertisers."



After reviewing all of the emails we have exchanged I do not see anything about fraudulant clicks. It seems to me that you are just trying to get out of paying me by making up all this bull----.

Thanks, Kyle

[RevenuePilot]

We did not make any money from his traffic since we had to refund all monies to our advertisers. True, sites are not cheap to operate, but advertisers should not pay for fraudulent traffic. Sending fraudulent traffic is tantamount to stealing, since advertisers pay money but get nothing in return. Also, please notice that we started getting traffic from his account on October 30th and cancelled the account on November 19, well before we had to pay him since the official payment terms are net 60.

According to you, if we were deliberately not paying him we would keep him as an affiliate for at least another 2 months. But as you can see the account was cancelled as soon as we became aware of the fraudulent activity.

While you may have had bad experiences with some advertising companies, I would like to point out that we have thousands of happy affiliates who have been with us for a long time. Webmasters sending us legitimate traffic always get paid for it in our affiliate program. In fact, it is in our best interests to receive as much quality traffic as possible.


regards,



Originally posted by WabbyTwax
I believe that regardless of what crap downloads from his site you should still pay him for the traffic he sent. I don't believe for a minute that he sent fraudulent clicks. Why don't you tell us, revenuepilot, how much you earned from the time he used your site vs. how much you would have to pay him. You shouldn't leave people on your network for so long then all of a sudden cut them off and label them as fraudulent while keeping any share of funds that may have been owed to them. These websites arent cheap to operate with the amount of traffic and bandwidth a site like that does. Due to the drop in advertising market in the past 5 years large scale sites are forced to place just about any type of ad to receive the necessary funding. I hope you find at least some middle ground here and compensate this guy for something. By just simply denying he didnt earn you any money at all you are basically committing theft by deception. Even if its the legal thing to do I would hope to see an ad company like revenuepilot do the moral thing. I have been mislead by too many ad companies in the past year to believe that they all wear halos.

[Kap]

Originally posted by RevenuePilot
We did not make any money from his traffic since we had to refund all monies to our advertisers. True, sites are not cheap to operate, but advertisers should not pay for fraudulent traffic. Sending fraudulent traffic is tantamount to stealing, since advertisers pay money but get nothing in return. Also, please notice that we started getting traffic from his account on October 30th and cancelled the account on November 19, well before we had to pay him since the official payment terms are net 60.

According to you, if we were deliberately not paying him we would keep him as an affiliate for at least another 2 months. But as you can see the account was cancelled as soon as we became aware of the fraudulent activity.

While you may have had bad experiences with some advertising companies, I would like to point out that we have thousands of happy affiliates who have been with us for a long time. Webmasters sending us legitimate traffic always get paid for it in our affiliate program. In fact, it is in our best interests to receive as much quality traffic as possible.

regards,


Could you give me an explanation of why my traffic is fraudulant or at least some proof that it is? Its so ovious you are just trying to use this as a lame excuss so you don't have to pay me.

-Kyle

[Precision]

This is seriously one of the worst affiliate programs out there. Firstly Revenue Pilot does not have anything on their website that states keywords must be related to the website. Second since they say dollspot.com's traffic is "low quality" what stops them from saying someone else's traffic is low quality and suspending/canceling their account with out sending them due payment for the real traffic that was sent to the advertisers. I understand that you canceled the account but what I do not tolerate is you (Revenue Pilot) not paying the affiliate for the due traffic that was sent. Another thing is you say the traffic from dollspot.com is "fraudulent", wow how profound. Did your team of "experts" figure that out. If you look at the amount of traffic dollspot.com gets, it is no wonder it averages around 150 clicks a day. And these download popup on dollspot.com, I have read your rules and all that crap, no where does it state that code like that is not acceptable unlike on the google adsense terms of use which CLEARLY states it. What proof do you have that this download installs spyware which creates fraudulent clicks? All the clicks coming from dollspot.com have referrers and an IP. Did you actually install this software to see if it generates fraudulent clicks from the computer it was installed on? Probably not since you guys are too busy saying that the clicks are fraudulent without proper investigation. Just to let you know, monkeys in suits don’t count as a proper investigative team. This excuse of "Fraudulent Clicks" is just another lame --- reason not to pay an affiliate and another reason to keep the GRAND we earned to yourself. I hope you guys get sued pretty soon for your greedy, idiotic, deceiving actions.

- Fahim
Co Owner of Dollspot.com

[WabbyTwax]

Well at least you werent lead on for months before they decided not to pay you. Just move on and stay cautious of ad companies like this.

[RevenuePilot]

On a final note I would like to say the following:

First, we never said that fraudulent clicks were coming from the spyware software that you force-installed on your visitors computers. Second, we never insulted you or your partner and would expect you to at least adhere to the simple manners of conversation. You attempted to cheat our system and got caught, as Ive previously mentioned, as soon as we became certain
of the fraudulent nature of your clicks we cancelled your account
immediately, way before the payment due date. And last but not least, our rules that are outlined in the TOS are not crap as you so deride them, but they are firmly followed and were put in place simply to protect the honest advertisers and web publishers who USE (not abuse) our program the way it is supposed to, and not try to cheat the system the way you have tried.







Originally posted by Precision
This is seriously one of the worst affiliate programs out there. Firstly Revenue Pilot does not have anything on their website that states keywords must be related to the website. Second since they say dollspot.com's traffic is "low quality" what stops them from saying someone else's traffic is low quality and suspending/canceling their account with out sending them due payment for the real traffic that was sent to the advertisers. I understand that you canceled the account but what I do not tolerate is you (Revenue Pilot) not paying the affiliate for the due traffic that was sent. Another thing is you say the traffic from dollspot.com is "fraudulent", wow how profound. Did your team of "experts" figure that out. If you look at the amount of traffic dollspot.com gets, it is no wonder it averages around 150 clicks a day. And these download popup on dollspot.com, I have read your rules and all that crap, no where does it state that code like that is not acceptable unlike on the google adsense terms of use which CLEARLY states it. What proof do you have that this download installs spyware which creates fraudulent clicks? All the clicks coming from dollspot.com have referrers and an IP. Did you actually install this software to see if it generates fraudulent clicks from the computer it was installed on? Probably not since you guys are too busy saying that the clicks are fraudulent without proper investigation. Just to let you know, monkeys in suits don’t count as a proper investigative team. This excuse of "Fraudulent Clicks" is just another lame --- reason not to pay an affiliate and another reason to keep the GRAND we earned to yourself. I hope you guys get sued pretty soon for your greedy, idiotic, deceiving actions.

- Fahim
Co Owner of Dollspot.com

[Precision]

Remind me again how we created "fraudelent clicks" because fraudelent clicks are clicks that are not real. Meaning they are not real visitors. I'd like to hear your reason for our "fraudelent" activity because I remember us doing nothing to create "fraudelent" clicks.

[Precision]

Also you have not answered many parts of the argument you replied to, instead just skipping it. Fully explain your actions.

[nitroboy]

actually I'm quite impressed people can send "fraudulent" clicks for about 3 weeks until they get caught :rolleyes:

[Precision]

Yes, I don't think they know the definition of fraudelent. Please scrounge up enough money to get a dictionary Revenue Pilot!

[Trel]

In this dispute I see that the TOS is involved here more so than, anything else.

Basically they can say you send fraudulent traffic, not pay and you have no recourse.

I would be wary of this program and only join if you are more or less desperate.

Try Google's Adsense: http://www.google.com/adsense/ their team is very responsive and is nothing but, professional.

Good luck to you! :bandit2:

[Precision]

Yes I have heard of adsense. They are much better than any other program (A number greater than infinite times better than Revenue Pilot) at being professional and helpful. But we have a low CPC with them and make very little even though we send alot of clicks. No worries, we have found another program that suits us perfectly. Thanks for the help.

[Wojtek]

Originally posted by Precision
No worries, we have found another program that suits us perfectly.
And that would be? :)

[Trel]

I am interested too... :applaudin

[RevenuePilot]

Our network currently has over 10,000 affiliates, with new members joining everyday. In the case where our system detects any unusual activity we place the affiliate account under review; please note that we do not cancel the affiliates account unless we are certain that affiliate is sending fraudulent traffic. Since Im constantly in touch with my colleagues in the industry I can tell you for sure that 3 weeks is not a long time to discover and cancel the cheater, in fact its pretty good response time.





Originally posted by nitroboy
actually I'm quite impressed people can send "fraudulent" clicks for about 3 weeks until they get caught :rolleyes:

[Precision]

Revenue Pilot's definition of fraudelent = legitimate clicks.

[nitroboy]

Originally posted by RevenuePilot
Our network currently has over 10,000 affiliates, with new members joining everyday. In the case where our system detects any unusual activity we place the affiliate account under review; please note that we do not cancel the affiliates account unless we are certain that affiliate is sending fraudulent traffic. Since Im constantly in touch with my colleagues in the industry I can tell you for sure that 3 weeks is not a long time to discover and cancel the cheater, in fact its pretty good response time. what does fraudulent traffic mean in this particular case (~dollspot) ?


here I took qome quote's from your earlier post(s)

While analyzing the past traffic, our anti-fraud team also tried accessing affiliates site, but it was inaccessible. Subsequently, it became clear that the traffic was completely fraudulent. how long was the site inaccessible? just on that moment someone of the anti-fraud team checked the site? or has it been checked daily, and repeatedly all day (meaning during the morning, midday, evening, and night)
(I just ask you this question as my host sometimes upgrade hardware of software, which means my site won't be accessible either for at least 1 hour or even more)
so as consequence that the site was inaccessible, you conclude that the traffic was fraudulent? or did I miss something?



Furthermore, dollpsot started sending traffic (the same fraudulent traffic) from another url, thus trying to bypass our filters.here again you mention fraudulent traffic without explaining what exactly happened



Eventually, when you changed the keywords on your site, it seems you also added some kind of a spyware download to your site and if your site visitor with an Internet Explorer browser choeses not to download the spyware and clicked NO he gets asked again and again until the pop up shuts down his browser or until the browser freezes. Since at that time our analysts became certain that your traffic was fraudulent we immediately canceled the affiliate account. here you link annoying popups and spyware with fraudulent traffic?

[Precision]

Exactly my point. Revenue Pilot - why is it that everyone is against you and believes you guys are a bunch of manipulating fools? It can't just be me. Everything you say is utter bull. Your argument is horrible, probably from the fact that you are wrong and I am right. From this posts and several others I will make around the internet, I hope to spread warning of your scandalous ways.

[Precision]

The site was down for a few minutes. That is it!

[RevenuePilot]

Fraudulent traffic means traffic that is artificially generated. While I
cannot disclose the fine details I can tell you that we have a number of filters in place that are running in the background at all times. Some run in real time while others are batch run filters. Filters detect things such as mouse positioning, ips, cookies, etc. In dollspots case, we found that clicks coming from his account were generated by software which resided on one pc and was simply changing ips, all clicks were made in exactly the same part of the screen. In the real world each user clicks on different parts of the screen. This is as much as I can discuss about our filters due to our efforts to combat dishonest webmasters just like him.

While I cant tell you the exact number of times our antifraud team tried visiting his site, I can tell you that it was more than once. The problem was not in the fact that his site was down while we tried visiting it; the problem was that we still had clicks coming in from him WHILE his site was DOWN.

Once again, spyware had nothing to do with fraudulent clicks it simply made it harder for real visitors to visit his site. Fraudulent clicks were coming from a completely different source, namely, software which was installed on a single machine and had nothing to do with his site.




Originally posted by nitroboy
what does fraudulent traffic mean in this particular case (~dollspot) ?


here I took qome quote's from your earlier post(s)
how long was the site inaccessible? just on that moment someone of the anti-fraud team checked the site? or has it been checked daily, and repeatedly all day (meaning during the morning, midday, evening, and night)
(I just ask you this question as my host sometimes upgrade hardware of software, which means my site won't be accessible either for at least 1 hour or even more)
so as consequence that the site was inaccessible, you conclude that the traffic was fraudulent? or did I miss something?


here again you mention fraudulent traffic without explaining what exactly happened


here you link annoying popups and spyware with fraudulent traffic?

[Precision]

I swear to my mother we did not artificially generate traffic. Did you ever think this could of happened because one of the ads were in an iframe? No I didn't think so. I am not dishonest, you are dishonest. It is affiliates like you who make publishers wary to join programs. Also did you ever think sometimes the site gets so much traffic, that the site may be slowed down and not down 100 %. This is because we have our configuration so if we get too much traffic at a time, it only lets a certain number of people into the site - the rest outside this number have slow loading webpages. This happens until traffic is back to normal, what you saw when your team of "experts" went to the site was a traffic spike. Definition: Spike in Traffic, are you circulating any of this information through your mind yet Rev Pilot? I should expect as much from an affiliate program no one has ever heard of, your "anti fraud" system is useless and sucks at determining fraudelent clicks. Once again you with hold information from us because your proof is a bunch of bull. Thanks for letting me combat your excuse for an argument once again.

[Wojtek]

I have an interesting idea:

Lets say you hate Person X. And you know Person X has a website. Then VB a program that click his ads for a week and he'll lose his revenue.

Smart eh... :devious2:


Seriously tho, one thing I may suggest:
Log the IP from the one accessing the account to check the stats and the IP that is making fake clicks and compare them. While not 100% fool-proof, it may help reduce fraud.

[RevenuePilot]

Your suggestion actually makes sense! I am just not sure that at this moment we record ips of the people who check stats, but it is a good idea



Originally posted by Wojtek
I have an interesting idea:

Lets say you hate Person X. And you know Person X has a website. Then VB a program that click his ads for a week and he'll lose his revenue.

Smart eh... :devious2:


Seriously tho, one thing I may suggest:
Log the IP from the one accessing the account to check the stats and the IP that is making fake clicks and compare them. While not 100% fool-proof, it may help reduce fraud.

[Kap]

Heres an idea revenuepilot! Pay your publishers and quit trying to bs you way out of it!

[Jan]

Originally posted by RevenuePilot
Your suggestion actually makes sense! I am just not sure that at this moment we record ips of the people who check stats, but it is a good idea
It would have made more sense if you were 99.99% sure the abuse was coming from the user, before terminating their account.

[RevenuePilot]

Jan,

We did what any other sensible network would do in our case. The Publisher was found abusing our network; hence his account was terminated in a timely fashion. Even given the remote possibility that someone else was clicking excessively on his ad, which I personally doubt, we should have still seen a great deal of legitimate clicks coming from his account since according to him he enjoys a lot of visitors. Clearly, this wasnt the case.

Before canceling his account our anti-fraud team did review all the
available information. Like I said before, we are not a one sided company; we are obligated to care for both publishers and advertisers. In this case we were simply protecting our advertisers from not a very honest publisher.

regards,



Originally posted by Jan
It would have made more sense if you were 99.99% sure the abuse was coming from the user, before terminating their account.

[Kap]

Originally posted by RevenuePilot
Jan,

We did what any other sensible network would do in our case. The Publisher was found abusing our network; hence his account was terminated in a timely fashion. Even given the remote possibility that someone else was clicking excessively on his ad, which I personally doubt, we should have still seen a great deal of legitimate clicks coming from his account since according to him he enjoys a lot of visitors. Clearly, this wasnt the case.

Before canceling his account our anti-fraud team did review all the
available information. Like I said before, we are not a one sided company; we are obligated to care for both publishers and advertisers. In this case we were simply protecting our advertisers from not a very honest publisher.

regards,

Wow how stupid are you? You say I don't get alot of visiters why don't you go check a few of my sites counters?

http://www.mvtracker.com/stats.php?l=dollspot1
http://t.extreme-dm.com/?login=doll86

Hmm thats funny when I look at those its clearly displays a very large number of visiters. Also maybe if possible could I please see a copy of this "anti-fraud team review" maybe that could answer some of my questions because so far you have given me a whole lot of bs with nothing to back it up.

I really think you should to get your facts straight for once.
Thanks, Kyle

[nitroboy]

Originally posted by Kap
http://www.mvtracker.com/stats.php?l=dollspot1
http://t.extreme-dm.com/?login=doll86

actually I am quite impressed by these statistics :-)
what was your CTR approx.?


and when reading RevenuePilot's post, I think that someone who is actually more involved with the anti-fraud team would be more helpful in this case as this guy here (from RevenuePilot) always writes the same: seems to be the standard "excuse" when they cancel someone's account

[Kap]

3-5% ctr depends on day of the week, not to bad. Currently we have this downloader popup thing on the site and about 1 out of every 5 visiters installs it. I am making over 100$ a day from it. If you are interested and your site gets over 2000 unique hits a day, I can get you all hooked up, since I am friends with the company owner. Its by far the best paying advertising scheme I have ever used.

Thanks, Kyle

[RevenuePilot]

Yes thats exactly the point Nitroboy; with such a high volume traffic site as this affiliate boasts one would expect to receive at least some legitimate clicks. However, we received nothing but pure garbage from him and it all originated from one computer, plus we had clicks coming in from him WHILE his site was DOWN. In addition to advertisers complaints received about this affiliates traffic, our anti-fraud team had all the right reasons to believe that his traffic was fraudulent. In fact, we believe our feed was loaded into a clicking program which generated automatic clicks.

Over the span of my career with Revenuepilot as well as my earlier years that I spent with other companies, I personally have seen many different tricks and ruses that ranged from people registering with sites they didnt own to people creating nice looking high traffic sites and trying to abuse the system. Unfortunately, fighting fraud has always been and
always will be a critical part of this business.

I also want you to understand that its not my job to post on message boards like this, I do it at my own free will since I am dedicated to helping publishers and advertisers as much as I can. Our anti-fraud teams job is not to post on message boards but rather to protect our advertisers. Like most technology companies, we dont have a myriad of people working for us and therefore we have to use our existing resources wisely in order to achieve a competitive edge.

I am always open to discussions since there is always a possibility we may have misjudged a situation, after all. nobody is perfect. However, after the fraudulent activity of this affiliate has became quite clear to us and after taking the abuse of having my colleagues and myself called monkeys, stupid, etc. I have no desire left whatsoever to further discuss this matter. In fact, I would recommend Kap and his partner to first get acquainted with some basic etiquette and proper manners of conversation.



Originally posted by nitroboy
actually I am quite impressed by these statistics :-)
what was your CTR approx.?


and when reading RevenuePilot's post, I think that someone who is actually more involved with the anti-fraud team would be more helpful in this case as this guy here (from RevenuePilot) always writes the same: seems to be the standard "excuse" when they cancel someone's account

[WabbyTwax]

Yes you are the almighty decider of those who you pay and those who you do not. Last time I was let go from a job was the postal service and it was for talking of all stupid things (10 years ago i might add), however they still gave me that last check when it came due. I have no problem with whom you decide to keep as a publisher and whom you decide is worthy of your resources. But I have to question your ethics when you claim that a person's behaviour dictates whether or not you decide to pay them what they have earned. I know this kid personally and yes he's not quite as matured as you and I, but I am a close affiliate of his and he has done nothing but deliver great traffic and real results for me. I am the one who referred him to this forum to help him find decent trusting advertisers. I would just like to see you pay what is owed. Its companies like yours that make choosing an ad provider a gamble. I no longer accept affiliations with ad distributors without a solid contract because of incidents such as this.

[Kap]

RevenuePilot I am actually glad you did post here. You just prove to everyone else who reads this how your company is one big scam. I couldn't see how anyone would ever want use your company again after reading this thread lol. :-)

[RevenuePilot]

WabbyTwax, as you yourself mention, the key to your dismissal from your past employer was the fact that you were talking of all stupid thing,s however you did not commit any fraud against the postal service. I am pretty sure that if you, hypothetically speaking of course, were to commit some kind of fraud against the postal service, you not only would not get paid but would also have charges pressed against you. While you may have dealt with him before and received great traffic from him we got nothing but automated fraudulent clicks from him. Please note his account was not cancelled because he said something bad about our company, or because the traffic quality was poor due to natural reasons; his account was cancelled for one and one reason only which is that he was sending us fraudulent traffic. My question to you is this: Are you saying its ok for people to defraud companies and still get paid? Does that mean that people can steal money until they are caught and even when caught they should be given the money that they stole until that point?



Originally posted by WabbyTwax
Yes you are the almighty decider of those who you pay and those who you do not. Last time I was let go from a job was the postal service and it was for talking of all stupid things (10 years ago i might add), however they still gave me that last check when it came due. I have no problem with whom you decide to keep as a publisher and whom you decide is worthy of your resources. But I have to question your ethics when you claim that a person's behaviour dictates whether or not you decide to pay them what they have earned. I know this kid personally and yes he's not quite as matured as you and I, but I am a close affiliate of his and he has done nothing but deliver great traffic and real results for me. I am the one who referred him to this forum to help him find decent trusting advertisers. I would just like to see you pay what is owed. Its companies like yours that make choosing an ad provider a gamble. I no longer accept affiliations with ad distributors without a solid contract because of incidents such as this.

[WabbyTwax]

I just simply know he did not defraud you, I dont understand where the mistake was made that lead to you believing this. But he did not defraud your company. I guess because I know this I expect him to get paid for what you owe him. But for some reason you are not even considering the fact that there may be some kind of mistake and have no intentions of paying him the significant amount of money he's earned. I understand that its easy to stand your ground and declare this person to be fraudulent whether you truly believe this or not. But as long as you're going to make the statements you are making this person deserves somebody who knows the facts to stand up and defend him otherwise he's labeled as a thief, and he is certainly not. Send your logs, proof, data to me at john@originalicons.com and if it shows what you're claiming is true I will publicly apologize, denounce kap as an affiliate and encourage people to trust and utilize your services. Otherwise, youre opinions, thoughts and accusations will hold no weight here.

[nitroboy]

Originally posted by RevenuePilot
Yes thats exactly the point Nitroboy; with such a high volume traffic site as this affiliate boasts one would expect to receive at least some legitimate clicks. However, we received nothing but pure garbage from him and it all originated from one computer, plus we had clicks coming in from him WHILE his site was DOWN. In addition to advertisers complaints received about this affiliates traffic, our anti-fraud team had all the right reasons to believe that his traffic was fraudulent. In fact, we believe our feed was loaded into a clicking program which generated automatic clicks.

haven't you wrote that before, actually many times before?
I mean: you claim that the affiliate has sent you fraudulent clicks. However you can't prove that, nor to us neither to potential affiliates. You just claim it.

I have re-read some parts of your posts:

In one of your posts, you wrote: In the case where our system detects any unusual activity we place the affiliate account under review; please note that we do not cancel the affiliates account unless we are certain that affiliate is sending fraudulent traffic.

However, in an earlier post you wrote: We received a number of complaints from advertisers regarding the traffic quality coming from dollspot affiliate account. As soon as the complaints came in, an internal investigation was immediately launched by our anti-fraud team.

Now I am wondering, is there actually an anti-fraud team?
Or are advertisers the system that has to detect unusual activities themselves? :confused2

[LookPortal]

Well it does stand to reason based on his traffic that Kap is not not fraudulent. I checked his alexa rank and it is 63,000 which is excellent.

I apoligize if this sounds like a plug, but i also run a similar program called LookPortal (we pay 65% rev share) and being vigilant against fraud is really the most important thing you can do with PPC. But you cannot be over zealous with your systems so that honest partners get the bums rush.

I was just reading about another major PPC Search program who is going through major problems now by refusing to pay a sizable number of thier affiliates saying that a percent of thier traffic at some point was fraudulent. This to me is absolutely ridiculous and they are really just trying to get out of paying thier affiliates because of financial problems. The best way to handle fraud and it does come up is to not show paid results on the clicks that has been decided as Fraud. Our system will look at every click and if fraudent show non paid search results and our partner and us makes zero on that particular click.

[Precision]

Is it me or has every single person that has posted on this topic disagreed with you Revenue Pilot?

[Wojtek]

Originally posted by Precision
Is it me or has every single person that has posted on this topic disagreed with you Revenue Pilot?
I was neutral :)

[nitroboy]

Originally posted by Precision
Is it me or has every single person that has posted on this topic disagreed with you Revenue Pilot? I didn't disagree, I asked for evidence but he was unable to give it

[RevenuePilot]

Tracking down cheaters includes much more then just ips. From what I personally remember, ip changing program were available as far back as 1999. Our antifraud system goes trough a set of different variables which goes far beyond simple ip tracking. My management, along with our board of directors, would never allow anyone in the company to disclose details about our antifraud system. We have spent well into the six figure sum on our antifraud system and consider it one of the most important parts of our business due to the nature of our industry. You are entitled to your own opinion; the best proof of our product is the fact that we have thousands of active affiliates who would never work with us if we wouldnt pay them. All of our affiliates are treated with honesty and respect, but like I said before, we do not tolerate cheaters.




Originally posted by WabbyTwax
I just simply know he did not defraud you, I dont understand where the mistake was made that lead to you believing this. But he did not defraud your company. I guess because I know this I expect him to get paid for what you owe him. But for some reason you are not even considering the fact that there may be some kind of mistake and have no intentions of paying him the significant amount of money he's earned. I understand that its easy to stand your ground and declare this person to be fraudulent whether you truly believe this or not. But as long as you're going to make the statements you are making this person deserves somebody who knows the facts to stand up and defend him otherwise he's labeled as a thief, and he is certainly not. Send your logs, proof, data to me at john@originalicons.com and if it shows what you're claiming is true I will publicly apologize, denounce kap as an affiliate and encourage people to trust and utilize your services. Otherwise, youre opinions, thoughts and accusations will hold no weight here.

[RevenuePilot]

As Ive previously mentioned, we dont have a myriad of people working for us. However, we do have thousands of active affiliates. In fact, our antifraud team consists of only 4 people. Our system doesnt automatically tell us if we have a cheater, it just raises a red flag, which means that the person at hand is a potential cheater. In the case the system raises a red flag, a member of the anti-fraud team reviews the specific affiliates account and goes over a number of different statistical reports which enable us to determine if the affiliate is sending fraudulent traffic. In Kap case, we had a red flag being raised in the system for his account, however due to the workload we didnt get a chance to review his account until a couple of days later. Also, at around the same time, we started receiving complaints from our advertisers. Now it doesnt take a genius to understand that if a red flag is raised and advertisers start to complain something is amiss. After a member of our anti-fraud team reviewed the detailed reports, it became clear that clicks were all coming from the same pc. As soon as we learned of this we cancelled the account.



Originally posted by nitroboy
haven't you wrote that before, actually many times before?
I mean: you claim that the affiliate has sent you fraudulent clicks. However you can't prove that, nor to us neither to potential affiliates. You just claim it.

I have re-read some parts of your posts:

In one of your posts, you wrote: In the case where our system detects any unusual activity we place the affiliate account under review; please note that we do not cancel the affiliates account unless we are certain that affiliate is sending fraudulent traffic.

However, in an earlier post you wrote: We received a number of complaints from advertisers regarding the traffic quality coming from dollspot affiliate account. As soon as the complaints came in, an internal investigation was immediately launched by our anti-fraud team.

Now I am wondering, is there actually an anti-fraud team?
Or are advertisers the system that has to detect unusual activities themselves? :confused2

[Kap]

I just don't get how I could have your banners on my site for well over a week and not give you 1 legit click. Just doesn't make sense with the amount of traffic I bring in. Sounds to me like you wasted a 6 figure sum on something that doesn't even work. :confused5 Also as the person who's account was cancelled don't I have the right to see all the details of your antifrauds team report?

[addlink]

I also have a problem with RevenuePilot! I just received a October payment from them (affiliate username: addlink ID:1595) and instead of $49 + change I received only $28.77. :mad2: Where is the rest of it? When I checked my account few days ago it showed me that I earned $49+ for the month of October. But few minutes ago I checked the same stats and it tells me now that I earned $28.77. Same thing is for the month of November and December. The earnings have been cut in half. I RECEIVED NO E-MAIL FROM YOU ABOUT IT AT ALL. WHAT IN THE HOLLY HELL IS GOING ON WITH YOU?

[Kap]

Making cuts so they can pay bills and buy their kids presents, but thats okay their allowed to do that. :rolleyes2

[RevenuePilot]

Please send email to support@revenuepilot.com and cc me on the email. If in fact you received different amount you will be paid the difference.


Originally posted by addlink
I also have a problem with RevenuePilot! I just received a October payment from them (affiliate username: addlink ID:1595) and instead of $49 + change I received only $28.77. :mad2: Where is the rest of it? When I checked my account few days ago it showed me that I earned $49+ for the month of October. But few minutes ago I checked the same stats and it tells me now that I earned $28.77. Same thing is for the month of November and December. The earnings have been cut in half. I RECEIVED NO E-MAIL FROM YOU ABOUT IT AT ALL. WHAT IN THE HOLLY HELL IS GOING ON WITH YOU?

[Kap]

Originally posted by RevenuePilot
Please send email to support@revenuepilot.com and cc me on the email. If in fact you received different amount you will be paid the difference.

What about the $1000 you owe me?

[addlink]

Here is an example of how your system is good:
www.add-link.net/cgi-b... 211.29.136.13 AU 02:11:29 domain names $0.00 $0.000
www.add-link.net/cgi-b... 206.138.130.2 US 04:31:04 pets $0.06 $0.036
www.add-link.net/cgi-b... 65.65.182.98 US 05:28:05 appliances $0.05 $0.030
www.add-link.net/cgi-b... 162.84.146.13 US 06:59:07 diet $0.13 $0.078
www.add-link.net/cgi-b... 67.80.164.232 US 09:21:41 flowers $0.00 $0.000
Rows in orange - a click is coming from an open proxy IP and such clicks are forbidden.
Rows in pink - unusually excessive amount of clicks by a single user.

Those are actual clicks for October 22.2003. HOW MANY CLICKS ON THAT KEYWORD DO YOU SEE FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS? :confused2 HOW COME THAT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC FROM AUSTRALIA IS MARKED AS OPEN PROXY IP's? DO YOU WANT ME TO GO DEEPER THAN THAT????????
I think that six figure sum for that antifraud system is a little bit too much for the software that DOESN'T WORK like it's supposed to work.

[addlink]

One more thing. If you guys did this to your loyal affiliate (since 08/2001) then what this system is doing to the new affiliates.

[Kap]

Ya I don't get this system they have going. I was bringing in like 500 clicks a day and only like 1/2 were counting. Then they claimed all my traffic was coming from 1 pc, which I can't understand.

[addlink]

I know Kap, that is why I posted those actual clicks just to prove them wrong. Plus that over 40% of the total clicks from my search engine have disappeared from their system.

[Precision]

I got a great idea for a PPC search engine. Let's put our dynamic feed on our affiliate's pages and then after they accumulate a sizable sum, accuse them of fraudelent clicks! Genius! Wait, Revenue Pilot already has monopolized on that idea.

[Naimaa]

Revenuepilot.com Is A Scam !

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi,

For all the webmasters who want to make money online with PPC companies please listen to this. We have been scamed by RevenuePilot.com and here's how they do it.

Once their ads are live on your site and someone click on it, they redirect people to a survey ! No you are not dreaming, they send the person to a survey and they have to enter the keyword one more time.

Then RevenuePilot dont pay you for that click because of course it appears that the click comes from their survey. Those people are evil and greddy and here's the email that i sent to them after i have been advertising their ads on Miva and Google :

" First I would like to say that when I had a problem prior to this, you responded within an hour or so. I submitted this "Priority 2 - urgent" ticket on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:57 PM and you've just decided to contact me about this on October 06 at 4:36 PM, asking me "How do I know about this?".

About what? That you are scamming your publishers?

Let me make this plain and simple for you. We have been advertising on Google Adwords and Miva for many targeted keywords such as "mortgage refinance" - as can be seen via http://miva.com/us/content/search/u...e&filter_pref=1. We have been PAYING to generate traffic to our site, for both promotional purposes and the possibility of ROI. We've also shared the site with friends and family and asked that they use our search engine to search the Internet - as opposed to using Google or Yahoo. They have no idea that our site is pay per click so they wouldn't just go out there and start clicking on ads. If they've used our site, they've done so at their own discretion.

One of our friends that actually checked out our site contacted me and informed me that he was not directed to a site that he selected, but to a survey that you apparently placed out there. When he used his browser button to back page, he stated that he was not being linked back to our site. This is how we found out about the problem. But we thought it was a "real" problem. So we submitted a ticket to you.

After getting your response, it's apparent that you guys have some process in place that is designed not to pay your publishers for the clicks that they generate for you. No wonder you advertise that you pay 60%. You probably pay 60% of 10% of the clicks. And to be honest with you, we are no longer interested in working with your company. Your practices are clearly as corrupt as many other companies on the Internet.

You can cancel this account immediately and since you are so hard up for screwing your publishers, please keep the little $30.00 or so that that you owe us. But don't get mad when we share our experience with RevenuePilot.com in the forums - which is where we discovered you in the first place.

Keep deceiving people because you are apparently doing a great job at it."

Tell every webmaster that you know to be aware cause RevenuePilot.com is nothing but a scam !

Naima

[Precision]

Hey,

It's me from two years ago. We have a successful network of sites now pulling in thousands a month. But I still pretty much hate Revenue Pilot for not giving us that $1000 when we first started out. I definately knew they were cheating their publishers then and I still know they are doing it now. How about we start a site against Revenue Pilot and their unethical ways. All publishers interested, post here. Let us see how many have been ripped by this company.

[Naimaa]

Hey Precision.

I am very happy to see that no matter what they did to you, you were able to create your own network and be successful ! I am not against starting a site and let webmasters know about Revenuepilot and i believe that a lot of webmasters have been ripped by Revenuepilot. I was checking my stats with them and it looked a little bit like this :

Searches : 5200 Clicks : 2 Paid Clicks : 0

Cause the 2 clicks came from CHINA !!!

oH MY GOD ! 5200 VISITORS AND 2 CLICKS ? Oooops i forgot to tell you that my site is a PPC search engine ! So if i have 5200 visitors a day, i would at least get 10% of clicks which should be 520 clicks !

C'est la vie ! Revenuepilot is really a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG SCAM !

Naimaa

[GalaxyBay.com]

Hey Precision.

I am very happy to see that no matter what they did to you, you were able to create your own network and be successful ! I am not against starting a site and let webmasters know about Revenuepilot and i believe that a lot of webmasters have been ripped by Revenuepilot. I was checking my stats with them and it looked a little bit like this :

Searches : 5200 Clicks : 2 Paid Clicks : 0

Cause the 2 clicks came from CHINA !!!

oH MY GOD ! 5200 VISITORS AND 2 CLICKS ? Oooops i forgot to tell you that my site is a PPC search engine ! So if i have 5200 visitors a day, i would at least get 10% of clicks which should be 520 clicks !

C'est la vie ! Revenuepilot is really a BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG SCAM !

Naimaa


Whats the website you had such a "poor" conversation rate on? I'm just curious.

[Naimaa]

No it's just that revenuepilot.com redirected my visitors to their survey and that way they didnt pay me for the clicks !

I have more than 30 websites and everytime i get 10 visitors i have at least 5 clicks...

Revenuepilot.com is a ppc search engine, you can install their XLM feed on your site but i recommand that you don't cause this company is a big scam and chances are that you are going to loose a lot of money instead of making some. Ask Precision, they owe him $1000 !!!

Well guess what ? I am now working on a search engine that is going to reveal the world ALL the tricks of the ppc industry, including Google.

Google is involved in a lot of fraudulent clicks, they should only charge one click per ip but they dont and they never will.

We are going to reaveal all the fraud of the ppc search engines. I guess after all that, a lot of people will hate us but i don't care. Google is greedy, just like Overture and someone needs to say it loud and clear !!!

Google and Overture charge up to $88 a click for certain keyword, tell me do you really think it's normal ? They steal people and they have plans to steal more and more people.

Some people used to advertise on Google for $0,05 in august, now Google came up with a new strategy and the same keyword that costed $0,05 now costs $10.00 !!!

What do you think about this ?

[Darkeyes]

if you do make that website can you send me the link via pm? thank you ..

[Naimaa]

Hi Everyone :-)

A new search engine is coming up in January 2006. GET READY ! It's name is MEGAGLOBE
http://www.megaglobe.com and it will compete with Google.

The big difference with Google is :

- Advertisers will be charge one click per ip ONLY !!!
- There will be no minimum fee to actived a keyword
- There will be no fee to create an Adglobes account
- Advertisers will be able to advertise for 0,05 cent a click.
- The Adglobes program will give a high commisison to its affiliates.:tongue2:

Megaglobe is an international search engine and It's the solution that a lot of small or medium businesses are waiting for.

Voila ! :-)

Have a nice day.

Naimaa

[ExpertWebHost]

i dont know why i'm getting a bad impression on revenue pilot.

[stevenh]

Hi Everyone :-)

A new search engine is coming up in January 2006. GET READY ! It's name is MEGAGLOBE
http://www.megaglobe.com and it will compete with Google.



I'm curious, are you using the new Hyperseek Crawler by any chance? If not, which program are you using to do your crawls?

Regarding Revenue Pilot, I do use them for their XML backfill features and am a bit unhappy with conversion rates. My Adsense averages over 1500 clicks per month with a PPC of almost .35 while one day alone I had 180 clicks on my RevPilot ads for a whopping payout of .57...?... They do claim up to $2 per click and while I have gotten a couple clicks for .70 - .80 they are FAR and FEW <<<VERY FEW between. My average PPC is at less than 1.1CENTS per click and this is just too low to be viable. Last month I sent them over 600 clicks for a $5.73 payout! The same clicks for adsense would translate to about $200.00. While I like their feeds and layout choices ther payout is just way to little for way too much.

Does anyone out there know of a good XML fed PPC program than integrates well with search engines/directory sites (I too run SE's and Directories), but actually pays a fair market for PPC?

cheers everyone
Steven