A no ads or fast webhost...

[Ryan_man]

Im looking for:
10+ MB space
No Ads
CGI/PHP

That's it.
No sarcastic remarks please, thanks.

[lord_andy]

Try www.freedom2surf.com. They give you 20megs

[Giancarlo]

Hey Ryan... try some other board... and stay away from email address... just kidding... try:

http://www.hostonfly.com/ - 100MB, Fast, CGI, MySQL, SSI but there is an ad.

[Edited by Giancarlo on 05-12-2001 at 08:52 PM]

[LeX]

http://www.f2s.com

[rmsharpe]

Try paying for space, because it's never going to happen :P

[Ryan_man]

rm? Now I know there's places like this out there. Gimme a break lol. There has to be! This isn't really much of a demand is it? Adless also may mean email spamming. I dont mind that...

[Giancarlo]

Take the ad, and sign up with hostonfly, or pay.

[rmsharpe]

Adless web space, not much of a demand? It's like going into a car show and asking "who wants a free Mercedes?" and if you're not the Sultan of Brunei you yell out "ME!"

That's how little of a demand, Ryan_man (by the way, good taste in first names, whaha)

[ISAfxp]

datablocks.net rulez :)

[Ryan_man]

Hmmm, adless should not be so hard. I mean, e-mail spam makes you just as much money, does it not? All I know is that, personally, on the net, when I see a banner on someones page, I do not click it. Never. I really don't think others do either. Do you honestly think that people click the ads in pop ups? Everyone I know just closes them right away, so how are these "ads" making the hosting companies and the advertisers money? I don't get it...

[el crapo]

Originally posted by Ryan_man
All I know is that, personally, on the net, when I see a banner on someones page, I do not click it. Never. I really don't think others do either. Do you honestly think that people click the ads in pop ups? Everyone I know just closes them right away, so how are these "ads" making the hosting companies and the advertisers money? I don't get it...

Well most of the advertisers are Paid Per Impression. Not Paid Per Click.

[Ryan_man]

Really? How come places like "spaceports.com" have mandatory click through rates? Impressions for popups? Or just banners....?

[Giancarlo]

Guess Spaceports is the sole exception...

[maddhatt]

I always find it amusing when someone complains that they can't find something for nothing. I'm a business man. The reason I offer free webspace and email at my site is because I need people to view ads and buy things to help cover the cost of keeping my site going. My sites small now but it's getting bigger which means the costs will continue to increase and that money has got to come from somewhere.

I'm not going to pretend that I love banner ads and quite frankly some of the services I use like Everyone.net use them too much but the equipment to maintain these free websites and anything else thats free has to be paid for and maintained on a daily bases. How many servers does it take to keep geocities or tripod running? And how much do you have to pay the tech staff to keep everything working smoothly? Are you willing to chip in to help cover those costs?

The people who visit my site and use my services aren't there because they want to help me earn a living. They are there because they want to use the free services I provide. I certainly have fond memories of how low my hit counter was before I added them. This way everyone gets what they want. I get my banner impressions and they get to build sites with pictures of their cats or their grandkids or their garage band thats one show away from landing a major record deal. Banners pay for that. Banners make people happy!

[CJB]

Originally posted by Ryan_man
Hmmm, adless should not be so hard. I mean, e-mail spam makes you just as much money, does it not?

No, it doesn't. See Xoom and DomainZero for an example. The biggest problem with services that spam their members instead of putting ads on their sites is the fact that their members know they're going to be spammed, so they sign up with a throwaway Hotmail account that they will check only one time to receive their login information. That means all the spam sent to it after that will never be seen because the person will never again log into that account.

It's hard to sell marketers on spamming addresses that are never looked at.

[Zero]

Try http://www.digitalrice.com http://www.f2s.com or http://www.datablocks.net ... I'm signed up with all three.
DigitalRice seems to be the fastest for me, but the limit your monthly bandwith to 2GB.

[Ryan_man]

Originally posted by maddhatt
I always find it amusing when someone complains that they can't find something for nothing. I'm a business man.

Im sorry for the long reply wait, but lol. This is coming from someone who is powered by comunity architect... Doesn't that just mean your reselling? Your not accually a bussiness man.... er... I think you should put hte briefcase back pal... I dono.

[maddhatt]

Originally posted by Ryan_man
This is coming from someone who is powered by comunity architect... Doesn't that just mean your reselling? Your not accually a bussiness man.... er... I think you should put hte briefcase back pal... I dono. [/B]


And I thought my spelling was bad. First of all I was very upfront with the fact that I offer these services through sites like Everyone.net which I mentioned by name in my last post. My email and webpage services are both branded and ran through MaDD HaTT Entertainment. As I said before I am a business man meaning (and pay very close attention to this Ryan) I'm in this to make MONEY! Mullah,deniro,little green pieces of paper with Benjamin Franklin's face on the front which I can use to procure food and shelter. Whether you call what I do reselling or not my post was about the banner space of which I get 50 percent to help keep things running on my end. I spend money advertising my site because I am running a business. Look around the internet. The sites that offer free webspace without ads are either too slow because their servers are over run with nice folks like yourself who want something for free but don't want to help out the people that are helping you or they're going out of business because the costs became too high to keep going.


Before I joined Community Architect I offered webspace through Excelland and when they went belly up and all of my end users lost their files they didn't say "Oh well these sites are really powered by Excelland so I guess we should be mad at them!" ,instead they looked at the fact that they were building sites at my domain and decided to send their angry emails to me but I'm okay with that because I knew the risk when I decided to put my name on the line. I mention this because I found it funny to be refered to as a reseller. If you know anything about what reselling IS then you would know that it is much cleaner than what I do. The very sales pitch that reseller services use to suck you in is that you don't have to do much other than promote their service and they'll take care of everything else from the customers to the complaints and to top it all off for your little bit of effort they'll send you a nice fat check. That would be a relief not to have to read and respond to the 50 or 60 emails that I get every day wanting to know why little Jimmy can't log into his website ( "I know I used the right password I wrote it down perfect and everything. Is your system down?"). If I were simply a reseller I would never have to hear from these people but that's not reality. I was given primary control over the sites that go up at MaDD HaTT by Community Architect for a reason, when something breaks down nobody is gonna care who powered anything. They're gonna be looking for someone to blame and around my site that someone is usually me.

[Ryan_man]

I dont feel like reading all that. But I will say in reply of the first paragraph. Great, so you making "money" on the net. That does not really make you a bussiness man. Think about it, are people who put up scams and trick links to get you to signup for something or click on their banners bussiness men? Are you telling me right now, that warez webmasters are bussiness men? I don't know, but it seems to me, you must be dreaming of being a fwp.

[maddhatt]

Originally posted by Ryan_man
Great, so you making "money" on the net. That does not really make you a bussiness man. Think about it, are people who put up scams and trick links to get you to signup for something or click on their banners bussiness men? Are you telling me right now, that warez webmasters are bussiness men? I don't know, but it seems to me, you must be dreaming of being a fwp.


Your right about one thing Ryan, just because I or anyone else for that matter makes money online it doesn't make them or me a business man. What makes me a business man is the fact that I own and run a business (a legitimate one by the way). I've tried several different ways of making money online and so far this seems to be the best one. Not everything I've tried has worked but it hasn't all failed either. When I lost the ability to offer free webspace at my site a few months ago I almost lost everything and while things are improving they are nowhere near as good as it was before everything went south but what tests people in life is not when everything is going good. You're tested when things are going bad.

You mention scams and trick links and warez but I don't deal in those things sir only legitimate business dealings and I don't think it's wrong that I be compensated for my time and the money I've invested. That's why I responded to your post before and why I'm responding now. I don't know you but I'm sure that you have a job that you work very hard at and at the end of the day I'm sure that you feel you should be paid for what you do. The internet is no different. The people running this site are attempting to earn a living the same as people at Yahoo or Amazon.com or any other site that provides a service. Free services are only free because somebody else is paying the tab.

[Ryan_man]

Im not gonna read that, im too tired. All I can say from the first "paragraph" is that, you may think you own and operate a bussiness, but you really don't. You don't run the servers, you don't own them. Your merely reselling, and that is not a bussiness. It's simply taking another bussiness and being a "side dish" or "add-on" to the company. CA knows this, therefor they offer these free option for you to resell. If you want your own bussiness, buy a server, get emlpoyees or partners, and RUN your own darn bussiness, not someone elses.

[lord_andy]

Most money which is earned in this world is earned by the so-called middle men As an example, try talking to any farmer and ask him how much he was paid for the kilo of apples. He will probably say something like 10c. The supermarket that you buy the fruit probably buys it at around 100c and then sells it to you for 150c. From 10 to 100c is more than half of the final selling price. So the moral here is don't talk the middle man down as he is the cleverset of the bunch and takes most of the money and does almost nothing for it. If that's not a businessman I don't know what is.

PS can we end this stupid discussion here.

[maddhatt]

Originally posted by Ryan_man
You may think you own and operate a bussiness, but you really don't. You don't run the servers, you don't own them. Your merely reselling, and that is not a bussiness. It's simply taking another bussiness and being a "side dish" or "add-on" to the company. CA knows this, therefor they offer these free option for you to resell. If you want your own bussiness, buy a server, get emlpoyees or partners, and RUN your own darn bussiness, not someone elses.

After two days of this nonsense I've come to the following conclusion. You sir are an idiot. Your poor spelling and choice of grammer should have given me a clue or perhaps your tired choice of internet chatroom shorthand. For the record I do have employees 4 of them to be exact and as for partners I think that Community Architect and Everyone.net are excellent partners which is why they split the ad space with you 50/50. I would go on about the whole reselling thing but why bother because it's clearly beyond you. Even a 5 year old knows that in order to resell something it first has to be sold and since I'm not selling either service your choice of words is mute. You do have a point about me not owning my own server though. Gee you really hit a sore spot with me with that one, I can barely go on typing this so I'll just leave you with this. Before you try to lecture me or anyone else about what is and isn't a business you must first learn how to spell the word.

[Ryan_man]

Hmm, are we in some sort of english class? Am I typing to government to complain about something? No i'm just shooting the ---- with someone who thinks they own their own Hosting BUSINESS. First off, do I own a business from my http://www.ultrapcgamers.net? I have/had everyone.net and wigloo.com (reselling). So does that mean because I have two free services offering free webspace, and free e-mail, using servers that I don't own, mean that I own a business? I wouldn't see it that way. Maybe, if I were using an actual server that I had to set up the hosting options, scripts and the e-mail settings, I might call that a business. You don't get it, reselling doesn't have to be accually reselling the original FWP, or paid host. You're still using their servers, and you still only get 50% of the ad space. Which means the other 50% of income is going to CA. *sigh, I don't know, maybe i'm the only one who sees it this way. I just don't think people using free services to become a "business" should really be calling themselfs business men. I mean, you don't actually have to set anything up besides your own page...

[zazoo]

I agree with maddhatt.

(heh heh i know im comming outta no where into this little argument but he has some good points)

it would cost him alot more to run and maintain his own dedicated server and it would end up costing his users banner space for a dedicated server

-thats it, all im goin to say im not goin to fill up four pages worth of text.

[maddhatt]

Checked out your site Ryan. Looks like it will be pretty good when you finish it. Until I started my website I always had to work for other people. The internet gave me the opportunity to start something of my own and be able to earn a little something from it without having to spend that much to keep everything going. I started my site at talkcity a few years ago and then I bought a domain name and moved into a pay server. I love what I do and I love the fact that I went from flipping burgers to actually owning something. I like the fact that their are companies out there that say "Look just spend a few bucks to advertise our service and we'll split everything 50/50 with you." Just because I don't own the servers doesn't make me any less valuable to them because they need my traffic as much as I need their service so one hand washes the other a true partnership in every since of the word.