Netscape...ugh!!!

[lord_andy]

I have a few problems with my page in Netscape communicator.
(The page looks terrible, well, not so nice.)
1. I need to know how to give a border on a table a color and also how to make a border non-visible. I have a table with images supposedly the same size as the border width but I get a nasty white space at the end.Any suggestions welcome to solve these problems.
2. I also noticed that a couple of radio buttons came with an ugly white square back ground. Is there a way to get rid of it so you see the back ground color of the table cell?
-See signing up for a free joke in your e-mail.
3. Tell you what, does anyone know where I can get a free tutorial on how to do cross browser HTML coding? ie.IE and Netscape.
My site can be seen at www.jokemachine.f2s.com
Thanks a lot in advance.

[lucifer]

netscape is a pain but

<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" border="0">
<tr>
<td bgcolor=green>
<table width="100%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" border="0">
<tr>
<td bgcolor=blue>
&nbsp;
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

works - the outer table provides the 'borders' for the inner table change cellpadding (outer) and cellspacing (inner) to do the border widths

border="0" kills the borders

http://www.webmonkey.com ?

[Edited by lucifer on 05-22-2001 at 10:36 AM]

[meow]

And the white spaces are probably due to line breaks in the code. Most likely between the images and the TD tags.

Not like so:

<TD>
<IMG>
</TD>

But like so:

<TD><IMG></TD>

If you want to play safe compress the whole table to one long line. BTW the same thing can make the last line of text in a table look funny (not). :)

[lucifer]

newlines mess it up - didn't know that :cool:

I have to keep putting &nbsp; in to get the background to show

netscape is crap :(

[meow]

It's old. v.4.x that is. But this table thing isn't a bug. Just different view on whitespace at the end of the content. Like the dash you get after links if you have a blank.
Don't talk about NS4. I'm trying to catch up on CSS positioning. :mad:

But from one NS detester to another, you should try k-meleon. It's a low fat Mozilla. Still in Beta of course but really, really nice. And the rendering engine is up to latest Moz. I think this will be my primary browser soon. Think it's 4MB. :)
http://www.kmeleon.org.

[lucifer]

thanks furball ;)

K-Meleon seems nice and nippy though I have also defagged my HD which was well overdue

have to sort out the flash plugin and sort some new probs with my pages -- oh the joys of a new browser :D

[lucifer]

makes the fws tables go a little crazy and seems to move me down the page everytime I press space whilst typing this which is a little bizzar :cool:?

[meow]

:eek: Furball?????

Don't recognize the problem writing in form fields. But I've noticed the table thing. The cells with our names don't align, right? It's the same in Opera, so guess Peo needs to read up on tables. ;)

A little frustrating that it lacks help file so far. Lots of customizing if you know how (I don't). At least you can define your preferred keyboard shortcuts. Try to right click on a link and check the options. The "Open in background" is a good one. :p

Glad you like it. :D

[lucifer]

help file would be nice

yes, have to have a play with it. I want a view source button on the toolbar.

space key now working fine.

It seems to be very happy with my pc which was not happy before :)

back to the days of simplicity

did you work out the flash plug-in? I haven't looked yet

[meow]

Nope. I haven't bothered much. This version is just a couple of weeks. 0.3 wasn't quite there. They have added a bundle. As I understand most things will be customizable, interface and all. I think you already can add buttons, but don't know how. It won't stay his naked. They are just busy working with more important stuff first. But it will NEVER have email client, IM or other crap. Hallelujah. :)

[lucifer]

talking of email for a moment

know a nice slim one

I am fed up with outlook express - who needs a calander etc

there was a realy nice one on windows 95 called email or something similar. It was sooo cute and nifty but outlook killed it off as soon as it got the chance :(

[meow]

Nope. I use Dora. Actually heavier than OE but nicer. Are you on a slow machine too? ;)
I have nice text editor.

[lucifer]

well I've got my old pc 233MHz 32MB thing which is attached to the internet it is very slow :(

so I got a new machine 1GHz 256MB very fast :)

I have this crappy AOL free trial I'm on since my ISP died (AOL is sh*t) I am not prepared to have AOL on my nice computer cos it's so sh*t. Plus I lent the modem in the nice pc to a friend as his blew up.

I was going to network the computers but the new one has Me and doesn't like my network card :(

I have this plan of installing 98 on my new machine linux on the old and getting the network done :cool:

but that involves moving stuff around so I'm putting it off.


TextPad is nice

[meow]

166MHz / 40MB. :o
I'm planning something similar once I get my hands on a better system. I've heard ME is a lot of trouble. Screws applications up and other evil things.
TextPad = Nice NoteTab = nicer ;)

[lucifer]

Originally posted by meow
I've heard ME is a lot of trouble. Screws applications up and other evil things.

micro----

[lord_andy]

I managed to get the nav table working a lot better now thanks to you guys although it is still a little off-center.
Can someone take a look in netscape and tell me why the inner table lines up in the bottom right hand corner.

The other problem I need to fix is the radio button problem. I'm getting a white square round them (in the third table down). Is there a way to change the color?

Can someone let me know how it renders in other browsers (ie. Not netscape 4x or IE 5x as I have them loaded on my PC). Thanks.

[meow]

Opera 5.11 - Perfectly OK. The stars and the main heading (What a woman...) floats towards the left table and the HR's lose the color, but this isn't disturbing. No problem. K-Meleon (Mozilla) is fine with it, only the HR color that get lost.

The white squares - stick this into the INPUT tags for your radio button.

style="background-color:#FF5151"

I don't get what you mean with the inner table aligning?

Your page is looking sweet now. :)

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[Edited by meow on 05-23-2001 at 03:59 PM]

[lord_andy]

Thanks a lot meow, you've been a graet help. Your last post has solved the last of the problems that I had with the tables.

Is the a way to give a HR tag, color in the non IE browsers apart from adding images or tables?

[meow]

For NS4 I think the only way is the trick with stretching a colored dot. For CSS compatible browsers you can put for example the paragraphs in a DIV and use CSS to get just one border.

div.meow { border-bottom: 2 dashed #FF0000 }

Gives you a red, dashed 2 pixels wide line for those that can see dashed. The others get a solid line. NS4 gets nothing.
WDG has a very handy CSS1 Reference in Windows help format you might want to download to check what values you can use and so on. www.htmlhelp.com

Theoretically you can apply color to HR with CSS, but I've found it to work different in different browsers. NS4 doesn't get anything of course.

Conclusion - if the hr's are important to you I would use 1x1 colored dots and stretch them. :D

[lord_andy]

Thanks for the advice I down loaded the htmlhelp file you said. It was just what I was looking for. I've got the basics down but now I need to master the more complicated stuff.

I'm going to try the stretched dot thingy cos it seems to be the only cross browser solution.

NC4 is important because my stats show that almost 40% of my visitors are using it. Is this normal????

[lucifer]

Originally posted by lord_andy
NC4 is important because my stats show that almost 40% of my visitors are using it. Is this normal????

not in my experience I get under 10% on most of my things

[meow]

Sounds high but then again, if your audience is a certain group rather than a cross section of the population...thecounter's global stats says as Lucifer, around 10%. http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2001/March/browser.html
Glad you liked the WDG CSS Reference. :)
Love those guys. If they would only come up with one for CSS2, preferable with an appendix with all the browser bugs. :rolleyes:

[lord_andy]

Originally posted by meow
Sounds high but then again, if your audience is a certain group rather than a cross section of the population...thecounter's global stats says as Lucifer, around 10%. http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2001/March/browser.html


My target audience is Spain/South America as the page is a Spanish Joke page. Same as the one in my signature but in Spanish.(The address is www.chistematon.f2s.com if anyone is interested.) This may have something to do with it :confused: but you never know. I only know that most people who visit my page using netscape seem to come from Mexico.
I think we may have an enigma here.

[meow]

Maybe the Mexican IP's distribute old NS??? :confused:
So "JokeMachine" is like a mirror? Neat.

[lord_andy]

Only got twenty hits today. I thought I was on a roll, I got 96 last friday (A personal record). 15 of the twenty using netscape 4. Oh well, I suppose I'd better make sure everything looks fine in netscape.

[lucifer]

Originally posted by lord_andy
Only got twenty hits today.

cheat put 1000 <IMG> on your page then it's 1001 hits per viewer

NO don't do it :)

[meow]

Lucifer, you are such a a baby. :rolleyes:

[lucifer]

:confused: :mad: :o :cool: